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I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.

To make matters worse, the rest of the world hates the US, so leaving isn't really an option. I'm stuck in this dystopia.

I must ask, what efforts did you make to prevent this?

I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.

To make matters worse, the rest of the world hates the US, so leaving isn't really an option. I'm stuck in this dystopia.

I've been so depressed today. *sigh*

And I was like going around canvassing, phone banking and all. Letter writing...

Well, hey, at least Kerry lost. :)

(Although I'm just as upset that Bush won :mad: :()

To make matters worse, the rest of the world hates the US, so leaving isn't really an option.

Most people don't hate US citizens, just the country itself and our government. So if you really want to leave, you have nothing to worry about. If you do leave, I'd recommend Holland.

If you do leave, I'd recommend Holland.
Yes! Go to Amsterdam. *evil grin*

I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.

To make matters worse, the rest of the world hates the US, so leaving isn't really an option. I'm stuck in this dystopia.
Your just afraid they will ban anime.

good grief. so bush got elected. its not the end of the world. its just something to deal with for 4 more years, then hes gone and we get a new one. laws can be repealed you know.

Cheers Letila ;)

Most people don't hate US citizens, just the country itself and our government. So if you really want to leave, you have nothing to worry about. If you do leave, I'd recommend Holland.

I hope so. Once I'm out of school, I will probably leave.

Your just afraid they will ban anime.

Some kinds, yes, but most, no.

Yes! Go to Amsterdam. *evil grin*
Why evil grin? Are you casting for a snuff movie or somethin?

Why evil grin? Are you casting for a snuff movie or somethin?

Von Witzleben currently resides in Amsterdam, or Holland.. not sure which city.


And yeah, if you really need to leave, Letila, I have an extra room. ;)

I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.

To make matters worse, the rest of the world hates the US, so leaving isn't really an option. I'm stuck in this dystopia.


You know, for once you and I agree. We're both on the left it's just I'm on the upper left and you're in the lower left.(Political compass.) Authoritarian, millitant liberalism can combat Bush, nothing else.

Why evil grin? Are you casting for a snuff movie or somethin?
No. But not a bad idea. I was thinking of the large Islamic community there who views America as the Great Satan. An influx of Americans would let the ethnic tensions there escalate. And I live in Groningen Greenmanbry.

No offense, Letila, but you're beginning to sound a little like MKULTRA. :p

I must ask, what efforts did you make to prevent this?

Seems suspicious that my question was not answered.

No offense, Letila, but you're beginning to sound a little like MKULTRA. :p
Oh! LOL we still havent had MKULTRAs reaction to the election. That should be one funny thread:D

Oh! LOL we still havent had MKULTRAs reaction to the election. That should be one funny thread:D
Now that you mention it, why is it he still haven't made at least one thread about it?

I must ask, what efforts did you make to prevent this?

I warned people about the evils of government.

I warned people about the evils of government.

I think that's more likely to make people apathetic about voting - if they don't think anyone would do a remotely good job, they might decide that they don't care, and just not vote at all.

Of course, the real reason Bush one is simply that Kerry wasn't inspirational enough. The Democrats don't really go in any kind of bold direction, so they just come across as a little boring. Bush has obvious vision and direction, and even if it is the wrong direction, it is still more influential.

Oh! LOL we still havent had MKULTRAs reaction to the election. That should be one funny thread:D
and Incertonia, too.

I'm glad Bush one! *reaches for body armor*

I warned people about the evils of government.

Government is a necessary evil. Would you rather have gun-toting gangsters wreaking havoc everywhere, plastered bikers breaking windows and raping women, people blowing each other away, and mass chaos and pandemonium, etc.?

I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.
Well, then I say...
HOORAY!!!!!!! :cool:

Government is a necessary evil. Would you rather have gun-toting gangsters wreaking havoc everywhere, plastered bikers breaking windows and raping women, people blowing each other away, and mass chaos and pandemonium, etc.?

Yes...

I'm glad Bush one! *reaches for body armor*




There are two problems with this post, a) it's "won" not "one" and b) the US has commited political suicide of sorts but I guess if your content with four more years of job loss, increased deficits, war, etc, well good for you.

I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.

To make matters worse, the rest of the world hates the US, so leaving isn't really an option. I'm stuck in this dystopia.
wow, you are slightly off. chill dude.

Government is a necessary evil. Would you rather have gun-toting gangsters wreaking havoc everywhere, plastered bikers breaking windows and raping women, people blowing each other away, and mass chaos and pandemonium, etc.?
I thought thats already part of everyday live in some parts of America.

I thought thats already part of everyday live in some parts of America.

Yeah, true, but not in all places.

Your just afraid they will ban anime.

Anime I know about, but "hentai?" :confused:

Anime I know about, but "hentai?" :confused:
Hentai?

Well, because Bush won...I think I will leave the country. I don't want to be drafted.

Well, because Bush won...I think I will leave the country. I don't want to be drafted.
You could move to Israel.

Hentai?

Yeah. It was in the original post, I think. I have no idea what it is. :(

You could move to Israel.


No, I was thinking a different country. But I may end up over in the Middle East...

Well, because Bush won...I think I will leave the country. I don't want to be drafted.
*psst* once you and spoffin get hitched you will be British and safe from the draft;)

No, I was thinking a different country. But I may end up over in the Middle East...
Planning a career as a suicide bomber, are you?

Anime + Porn = Hentai

Anime + Porn = Hentai
:D Oh. Thanks. Didn't knew that. I prefer normal porn. With real boobs. Well, boobs with a flesh coating around the silicones anyway. :D

Planning a career as a suicide bomber, are you?


Nope, not at all. I said I'd go to the ends of the Earth for someone and I intend to prove it.

Nope, not at all. I said I'd go to the ends of the Earth for someone and I intend to prove it.
:D Oh. That old story again. Didn't you say you didn't want anything to do with him anymore?

*psst* once you and spoffin get hitched you will be British and safe from the draft;)


Lol. Well, I am not planing on marrying Spoffin.

:D Oh. That old story again. Didn't you say you didn't want anything to do with him anymore?


I changed my mind. It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind. ;)

You could move to Israel.If I want to Move away from terrorism...Israel is the last place on earth I would choose

Government is a necessary evil. Would you rather have gun-toting gangsters wreaking havoc everywhere, plastered bikers breaking windows and raping women, people blowing each other away, and mass chaos and pandemonium, etc.?

Right. You need to read up on anarchism.

Anime + Porn = Hentai

Ahhh! Ok. Thank you! :)

Right. You need to read up on anarchism.

Right. You need to be more realistic about human nature.

I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.

To make matters worse, the rest of the world hates the US, so leaving isn't really an option. I'm stuck in this dystopia.
fuck yeah!

Four more years of the Bush Docterine. We will impose the will of the US upon the world and the UN cannot do shit about it. We rock.

Don't Mess With Texas

We'll get through the next four years with a little help from a handy little document called the constitution. It's a totally awesome thing, but there will still be problems.

Abortion might get overturned. It really depends on who retires in the next four years (besides Rheinquest). So far as gay rights go, I'm more concerned with the 11 states that passed constitutional bans on gay marriage last night. I really don't think Bush will be able to pass a constitutional amendment against gay marriage, not even with a republican congress.

The war in Iraq is gonna head even farther south, and the deficit will probably be comparable to that of the past couple years. But those things were going to happen anyway, as a result of Bush's horrible mismanaging during his first term, and while the order of magnitude will be increased by the continuance of Bush's policies, the fuck ups won't be associated with the democratic party. So when this is all over and people finally get fed up, the dems are gonna win by a landslide. The opposite probably would have happenned if Kerry had won. At the end of his term he would be blamed for all the problems he inherited from Bush as well as those he might have created himself. The vote would then go heavily republican in 2008.

Nixon got relected too guys, just hang in there. Never give up, never surrender!

Edit: Oh, and Letila, I'm interested in how you define anarchism, cause from what I know about it, it seems far from ideal. It could be we are defining the term differently, and if that is the case a little clarification would go a long way.

Calm down, Letila.

While the Republicans have a majority, there are still more than enough Dems around to keep what you said from happening

Right. You need to be more realistic about human nature.
We are. Other political theories tend to intentionally ignore the corrupting nature of political power

... I'm more concerned with the 11 states that passed constitutional bans on gay marriage last night. I really don't think Bush will be able to pass a constitutional amendment against gay marriage, not even with a republican congress....Why not? Who is going to stop him?

I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.

To make matters worse, the rest of the world hates the US, so leaving isn't really an option. I'm stuck in this dystopia.
Hentai??? Where did that come from. I've not heard a thing about hentai during this election.

since when is Bush, or better yet any of the republican party in power, trying to ban hentai?

Authoritarian, millitant liberalism can combat Bush, nothing else.
LOL. Authoritarian liberalism... oxymoron alert!

But yeah, it is a sad thing. I woke up to news of our Prime minister gloating. I mean, Kery was only slightly better, but still... And besides, I was hoping for someone new to bitch about. And of course, once people realised how similar Kerry was to Bush maybe they'd wake up to the fact that the two-party system is a farce.

I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.

Believe it. Bush has won. But not only will those things come to pass. Cities will burn, children eaten, the elderly beaten. We will use "Christianity", with Bush proclaimed as God on earth. All media will be state controlled, and all crimes, criminal and political, are punished by capital punishment, though varying methods of it. Worst yet, there's no where to run after Bush's nuclear war on the world, as it'll be contaminated outside of the US. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry guys, I just had to get that outta my system.

good grief. so bush got elected. its not the end of the world. its just something to deal with for 4 more years, then hes gone and we get a new one. laws can be repealed you know.

Bush is going to be appointing some Supreme Court Judges. It is going to be very difficult to repeal many of the laws he will make

At last! At last the public have seen through the half-truths, deceptions, lies, immorality, inconsistency, and hypocrisy of the Democratic Party! The Dems pissed us off with the gay marraige and abortion issues, and as a result we conservative evangelical Christians have stepped in and said "Enough!" I think this election proves me wrong. I always thought everyone was out to screw everyone else, but finally I see that, in the end, people really are mostly good at heart. 22% of the voters thought morality was the leading issue in the election. Kerry was out for his own political power and gain, and people finally saw through that and kept him out of office. President Bush, on the other hand, wants to do what's right in God's eyes. According to Paul's epistle to the Romans, governments are instituted by God to perform God's will, so it only makes sense that God would ensure that the most powerful nation in the world remains in his control. Now that Bush has the support of the majority, maybe we can get to work on fixing the ungodly nations and societies out there. I think too many people missed one obvious fact about the liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan: MILLIONS of people can now legally be exposed to the Gospel!

Maybe, if we're lucky, we're witnessing the death of the Democratic Party and the rebirth of Republicanism and Christianity. I long for a nation unified behind God.

Bush is going to be appointing some Supreme Court Judges. It is going to be very difficult to repeal many of the laws he will make

That's what bothers me.

Maybe, if we're lucky, we're witnessing the death of the Democratic Party and the rebirth of Republicanism and Christianity. I long for a nation unified behind God.

Ah yes, the birth of a totalitarian theocracy. Sounds like fun.

Well here goes another 4 years of conservative republican/Christian rule...when will people realize that you cant force morals on people, especially ones of different beliefs? not all of America is Christian.

At last! At last the public have seen through the half-truths, deceptions, lies, immorality, inconsistency, and hypocrisy of the Democratic Party! The Dems pissed us off with the gay marraige and abortion issues, and as a result we conservative evangelical Christians have stepped in and said "Enough!" I think this election proves me wrong. I always thought everyone was out to screw everyone else, but finally I see that, in the end, people really are mostly good at heart. 22% of the voters thought morality was the leading issue in the election. Kerry was out for his own political power and gain, and people finally saw through that and kept him out of office. President Bush, on the other hand, wants to do what's right in God's eyes. According to Paul's epistle to the Romans, governments are instituted by God to perform God's will, so it only makes sense that God would ensure that the most powerful nation in the world remains in his control. Now that Bush has the support of the majority, maybe we can get to work on fixing the ungodly nations and societies out there. I think too many people missed one obvious fact about the liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan: MILLIONS of people can now legally be exposed to the Gospel!

Maybe, if we're lucky, we're witnessing the death of the Democratic Party and the rebirth of Republicanism and Christianity. I long for a nation unified behind God.
*Brutally murders TJ Mott*

Thank God that ended before the Republicans could control the world.

There are two problems with this post, a) it's "won" not "one" and b) the US has commited political suicide of sorts but I guess if your content with four more years of job loss, increased deficits, war, etc, well good for you.

All right, I really feel the need to explain the "job loss" issue, as it is a purposeful deception by the Democratic Party. First of all, there are two different reports out there. Both are accurate, both are useful, but they are being misused. One shows job loss, somewhere in the millions. That's the payroll report. In case you don't know, payroll means you work for a company as an employee, you work for someone else, you recieve your paycheck from someone else. So millions of people no longer work for other people. However, the other report shows millions of jobs created. That's the Household Survey. It includes self-employed people in its report. So while millions of people quit working for other people, millions more went into business for themselves and became self-employed! They don't receive a payroll (but they do have a job and income) so they don't show up on the Payroll Survey, and thus the Democrats say they are unemployed, when in fact they are self-employed! My father is one of those. He's a self-employed farmer, and he works much harder than many people in this country. How dare the Democrats say he doesn't have a job just because he doesn't receive a payroll! Under the payroll report, two million farmers are considered unemployed. They feed the country! That's hardly unemployed.

Well here goes another 4 years of conservative republican/Christian rule...when will people realize that you cant force morals on people, especially ones of different beliefs? not all of America is Christian.
Not all Christians agree with Bush. After all, Jesus was a liberal.

Technicly, if you don't have someone above you, you are considered unemployed.

After all, Jesus was a liberal.
According to his Public Relations people. The independant Dead Sea scrolls describe him more as a Zealot.

Not all Christians agree with Bush. After all, Jesus was a liberal.

Can you back that up, please? I mean the part about Jesus being liberal.

Is everything a plot by the Demacartic Party? You might as well throw aliens in there and hide in a bunker waiting for the end of the world.

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/
;)

Jesus fought against the established church
Jesus was a non-conformist
Jesus took no political positions - when someon tried to trap him into suggesting taxes not be paid - he pointed to the picture of Caesar on the coin and said to give Ceasar what is Ceasars.
Some consider Jesus anti-rich because he encouraged some to give up their wealth. That is not correct. Jesus did not tell all of the wealthy to give up wealth, only the ones who loved their wealth more than they loved God. aka idolitry.
Jesus decried the legalism that had pervaded the church (synogoges)
Jesus introduced the idea that grace alone, not works, was the rout to heaven.

There is plenty more, but I am sleepy.

According to Paul's epistle to the Romans, governments are instituted by God to perform God's will, so it only makes sense that God would ensure that the most powerful nation in the world remains in his control. Now that Bush has the support of the majority, maybe we can get to work on fixing the ungodly nations and societies out there. I think too many people missed one obvious fact about the liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan: MILLIONS of people can now legally be exposed to the Gospel!

You people and the Neo-cons are the reason I did not vote for Bush. Your outright hubris is astonishing! Are you so blinded by your ideology that you do not see that you are tearing America apart in your mad quest for power and influence?

Legislating some moral guidelines to help society is fine but when did you evangelicals become the be all end all of Morality and Religion? Religion can and should be a guide in politics, but specific views of a particular denomination should not be legislated.

How can you even presume that you are doing God's work and that America should force other nations to conform to it's standard?!! All you are doing is violating conservative principles of sovereignty while creating new enemies and justifying Anti-Americanism abroad!

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/
;)

That's funny.

Not really. There's no way that the President could be the antichrist. According to Revelations, the antichrist will be incredibly popular across the world, beloved and followed by most. President Bush is hardly popular across the world.

Can you back that up, please? I mean the part about Jesus being liberal.

Jesus was excepting and forgiving of everyone. whether they were pious people or sinners, which also meant he hung around with people of all sorts of mindsets. He accepted and preached ideas that were apposed by the dominant culture and/or government and were revolutionary.

thank you Bozzy that was much better than i could say it

Hmm... Germany said it would continue repairing its relations with us. Thailand was happy. Yasser Arafat congratulated Bush today and he's in France of all places. Real strange... Indeed....

Also, the part that was cut from airing in the Osama bin Laden was him ranting how Bush has hindered Al Qaeda and threatening to blow up the states that went for Bush. The only other real negative thing was that a prominant Muslim leader in Indonesia said "Bush would continue to mess up the world like he has ben doing." Apparently he is also a terrorist because that is the only people Bush has really messed up.

Bush banning anime and video games? Pfft...only Lieberman would do that.

I see four more good years.

You people and the Neo-cons are the reason I did not vote for Bush. Your outright hubris is astonishing! Are you so blinded by your ideology that you do not see that you are tearing America apart in your mad quest for power and influence?

I once thought as you do. Several years ago I was a pretty cynical atheist, convinced that I would never have any religion because I thought it was silly stuff that only people who got bored on Sundays believed in. I thought that all my Christian friends were crazy, misguided people.

I was wrong. I changed. I am not blind, my eyes were opened. And I have no quest for power and influence. Honestly, if I had my way, I'd start my own little country, close the borders, and live happily ever after. But that's not the Christian way. As Christians, we are commanded by God to spread the Word. And we're working on that. Under the Reagan and first Bush administrations, a billion people were freed from the chains of atheist communism and have been exposed to the Gospel. Whether they believe it or not is up to them, it is not our belief to force our views onto anyone, but it is our duty to at least spread the Good News so it is out there. And now, under this Bush, millions more in Iraq and Afghanistan have the opportunity to convert. And, hopefully, more nations will follow.

Jesus was excepting and forgiving of everyone. whether they were pious people or sinners, which also meant he hung around with people of all sorts of mindsets. He accepted and preached ideas that were apposed by the dominant culture and/or government and were revolutionary.

thank you Bozzy that was much better than i could say it

In that sense I would agree with the idea of Jesus being a liberal. But he isn't today's brand of liberal. I highly doubt he's happy about abortion and gay marraige, since homosexuality is specifically condemned in the Bible and so is murder. In that sense, he most definitely is not a liberal.

I have got a question, how rooted is religion in american politics? In my elections any candidate who isn't refering to religion as somthing to serve as "basicly moral guidelines for everyone, even atheists" is out of the game. Yet mr. Bush is talking about following the bible and "God bless America". How much does the american constitution allow religions to interfer with non-religious peoples' lives? Isn't freedom from government one of the basic principles?

To the anarcho side-thread: Anarchy isn't necessary chaos. It means just a lack of state. In fact the anarchist, political spectra is a wide as the archist, Bakunin and the early fascists wanted to crush the present society as bloody and fast as possible, Tolstoj and Godwin advocated a traditional, moralistic and conservative view (quite similar to amish life), and others (Kropotkin) relied more on natural morals and bonds of humans themselves than divine.

I have got a question, how rooted is religion in american politics?

It isn't nearly as rooted as it used to be. I unfortunately can't recall the exact numbers, but the overwhelming majority of the people who signed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were religious people. I can't back this up, but my opinion is that if the Framers of the Constitution had known the direction this country would go in, they would have somehow included Christianity a little more in their writing.

We may see a change in religion in politics because of this election. It is the evangelical vote that won it for Bush. Twenty-five million evangelicals voted in this election that didn't vote in 2000! The Christians are beginning to take notice of politics, and I anticipate that this election will start a new trend in this country.

It isn't nearly as rooted as it used to be. I unfortunately can't recall the exact numbers, but the overwhelming majority of the people who signed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were religious people. I can't back this up, but my opinion is that if the Framers of the Constitution had known the direction this country would go in, they would have somehow included Christianity a little more in their writing.

We may see a change in religion in politics because of this election. It is the evangelical vote that won it for Bush. Twenty-five million evangelicals voted in this election that didn't vote in 2000! The Christians are beginning to take notice of politics, and I anticipate that this election will start a new trend in this country.


Exactly. As it says in Revelations, many will be hoodwinked into believing he is sent from God to perform his duties and are led astray even though they think they are doing the right thing.

Many countries around the world including my own bow to his every request now.

We may see a change in religion in politics because of this election. It is the evangelical vote that won it for Bush. Twenty-five million evangelicals voted in this election that didn't vote in 2000! The Christians are beginning to take notice of politics, and I anticipate that this election will start a new trend in this country.
Ok, wait, twenty-five millions(!)? That is 300/25=12, are 1/12 of the americans evangelicals(I don't doubt it as I can't back myself up, but that is REALLY much)?

So move to the Netherlands!?

Ok, wait, twenty-five millions(!)? That is 300/25=12, are 1/12 of the americans evangelicals(I don't doubt it as I can't back myself up, but that is REALLY much)?

That's the figure I heard, and I admit that it could possibly be incorrect, but this country does have a large portion of Christians who aren't extremely active religiously, those who are faithful and believe in God but are quiet about it. That figure would seem surprising because of that.

Sorry, I reported that incorrectly. It isn't 25 million evangelicals, but 25 million Christians.

That's the figure I heard, and I admit that it could possibly be incorrect, but this country does have a large portion of Christians who aren't extremely active religiously, those who are faithful and believe in God but are quiet about it. That figure would seem surprising because of that.
How do you define evangelicals? Is it the "I do indeed acknowledge every word in the bible as undeniable truth" or everyone who has got a christian faith?

Stupid Americans,

I can't really say I'm surpried about the result. Stupid idiots, they deserve everything they get. What more can you expect from a country where 11% of the adults can't locate the Pacific Ocean on a map, and where 50% of adults, including 25% of univeristy graduates, think that the world is less than 10 000 yrs old (Bill Bryson).

But what does shite me to tears, as it should everyone in the world, is climate change. Mate, I never used to be much of a greenie, but it's happening, and the denials and inaction that is occurring is breathtaking. And with America refusing to sign on to Kyoto (and Kerry was going to continue to reject it anyway), I'm losing hope. I mean, I'm at the point where I'm starting to advocate nuclear power, at least it's a bandage, a short term solution until we have researched and can use renewable, non-polluting energy in the future (and incidentally, actually put a bit of government money into the research)...

Fucking hell mate, this is real. Even economics, we'll have reached the oil peak (ie' mined over half of the world's oil supplies), in probably the next year, or in 5 years at the most (Professor Ian Lowe, and pretty well everyone), and 1 litre of oil is found for every 5 litres that is used, so watch oil prices continue to rise, and they'll stay there. FECKING STUPID, IGNORANT and USELESS EXSCUSES FOR LEADERS. At least Blair, and even the Queen, have a brain in that.

I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.



No , they aren't (vestiges of freedom) since the real free world is like many US refugees (artists, scientists) understood on the other side of the Atlantic where people aren't followed because they aren't mega christian enough.

You have a problem, we don't, Bush is your ellected problem, not ours. Altough we could have helped you in Iraq with our Nato friendship when you had a real elected president. In any way, your election result is making it very easy for England, France, Germany, Spain aso. to say NO to an extra contribution (for those allready there) or a contribution on the war for oil. Remeber, France had the same amount of troups like the UK ready to send if they had a GO from the UN. Pitty that those elite troops can't give support to the elite troops of the UK that are needed to bail out the mediocre US troops in Fallujah...(average age 28, better armed, better payed, more experienced aso.). Jezus even Germany could send between 10 and 20.000 if needed.

But with W, there will be no German, French, Spanish, Belgian, Irish, Norwegian, Austrian, Hungarian, Slowakian aso. blood for Halliburton. Most people here are happy that W won, since a democracy in the US that respects allies and above all the international laws signed by itself, instead of a regime would make it difficult for those allies to say NO.

Hell we had Hitler and thank the liberation done by the Brits and mostly the Russians and some US troops involved.
We know what evil is: It is not the Republicans, even not Bush but the bible people around him that hear voices in their head (God?).

Churchill once said that in a democracy it is possible to have a dictature of the majority, in wich he ment a regime that with a 50%+1 vote neglects all the rights and lives of the other side.

You have this problem.

Technicly, if you don't have someone above you, you are considered unemployed.

Hmm, I am a independent person, don't have a boss and pay my taxes. Nobody is above me in working coditions altough my clients sometimes think they can command me.

Stupid Americans,

I can't really say I'm surpried about the result. Stupid idiots, they deserve everything they get. What more can you expect from a country where 11% of the adults can't locate the Pacific Ocean on a map, and where 50% of adults, including 25% of univeristy graduates, think that the world is less than 10 000 yrs old (Bill Bryson).


Comeon, that's not necessary...

:eek:
*Gasp* Hentai too


I think not
:mp5:

Not all Christians agree with Bush. After all, Jesus was a liberal.

He was an Anarcho-Pacifist.

Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.
Sounds good to me. I wonder when Bush will make his first Supreme Court nomination.

In that sense I would agree with the idea of Jesus being a liberal. But he isn't today's brand of liberal. I highly doubt he's happy about abortion and gay marraige, since homosexuality is specifically condemned in the Bible and so is murder. In that sense, he most definitely is not a liberal.

You obviously haven't read your Bible. The punishment for abortion is a fine of silver paid to the father (as long as no 'additional' harm was done to the pregnant woman). Murder had a very clear punishment in all cases (I believe it was being stoned to death). Obviously the Bible does not support your claim that abortion is murder.

Also, the church actively aided abortions at one point, supplying women with the medicinal herbs they needed to induce abortion.

Now, gay marriage I can't argue against, since the Bible has been TRANSLATED to be against homosexuals and homosexuality, and you no doubt refuse to accept that there is no such thing as a 'literal translation'.

I'll just leave this with rebutting the abortion point.

You obviously haven't read your Bible. The punishment for abortion is a fine of silver paid to the father (as long as no 'additional' harm was done to the pregnant woman).
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I'd like to know the passage that supports that.

You obviously haven't read your Bible. The punishment for abortion is a fine of silver paid to the father (as long as no 'additional' harm was done to the pregnant woman). Murder had a very clear punishment in all cases (I believe it was being stoned to death). Obviously the Bible does not support your claim that abortion is murder.

Also, the church actively aided abortions at one point, supplying women with the medicinal herbs they needed to induce abortion.

Now, gay marriage I can't argue against, since the Bible has been TRANSLATED to be against homosexuals and homosexuality, and you no doubt refuse to accept that there is no such thing as a 'literal translation'.

I'll just leave this with rebutting the abortion point.

The point is that The Church (as an institution) is now far from the original teachings of Jesus. He did not author the Bible.

I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.

To make matters worse, the rest of the world hates the US, so leaving isn't really an option. I'm stuck in this dystopia.

There's always New Zealand....

I once thought as you do. Several years ago I was a pretty cynical atheist,

How come all zealots used to be atheists. You'd think fundies would support secularisation as Atheism (which is obviously the dominant religion of secularism) produces so many 'good' Christians

I was wrong. I changed. I am not blind, my eyes were opened. And I have no quest for power and influence. Honestly, if I had my way, I'd start my own little country, close the borders, and live happily ever after. But that's not the Christian way. As Christians, we are commanded by God to spread the Word. And we're working on that.

So your trying to spread the world by getting political influence, but at the same time you are not looking for influence?

Under the Reagan and first Bush administrations, a billion people were freed from the chains of atheist communism

Where is your proof that the Rep administrations in the 80s were responsible for the dismanteling of the USSR?

and have been exposed to the Gospel.

For some reason, when I read this, I read it in the same way at "They are being treated after exposure to poisonous gas"

Whether they believe it or not is up to them, it is not our belief to force our views onto anyone, but it is our duty to at least spread the Good News so it is out there. And now, under this Bush, millions more in Iraq and Afghanistan have the opportunity to convert. And, hopefully, more nations will follow.
Iraq was a secular state, its citizens were allowed to be Christian. In this Bush has achieved nothing in Iraq (especially if you think about the Muslim Fundementalist roaming the desert now.)

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I'd like to know the passage that supports that.

Man, this's what I get for opening my big mouth... I just recalled the point semi-verbatim from the old abortion threads.

I shall go look into it now.

*stupid need to research... as if studying for exams isn't bad enough...*
*grumbles*

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I'd like to know the passage that supports that.
Exodus 21:22
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

From the King Jame's Bible (http://aol.bartleby.com/108/02/21.html#22) which I understand is the protestants' Bible of choice.

Exodus 21:22

omg! Thanks so much! You just saved me from slogging through Bible sites to find that!

*returns to a state of non-study*

omg! Thanks so much! You just saved me from slogging through Bible sites to find that!

*returns to a state of non-study*
No worries. The only reason I remember it is because the chapter and verse are consecutive ;)

For Democrats, we are in the middle of the dark years. Think Republican in the 1950s and 60s.

Beginning in 1932 the Democrats began nearly forty years of political domination, with only the two term election of a moderate, non-dealogue Republican president in Dwight Eisenhower during the 1950s as a brief respite from Democratic control of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government. It was a time when everyone, Democrat and Republican alike, was proud to call themselves some version of liberal.

Well, we had our Dwight Eisenhower in Bill Clinton (who was really much more conservative than either Republicans or Democrats care to admit - think NAFTA, defense of marriage act, welfare "reform," the telecommunications act, emphasis on a balanced budget, etc.). The beginning of GOP dominance began with Nixon and really took off with Reagan. We are now at the high water mark of Republican control in the nation. Liberal has become a pejorative and Democratic candidates will continue to try and show they are just as conservative as their GOP counterparts.

The GOP will take the country too far to the right and there will be a backlash, just as there was a backlash to liberalism in the 1970s and 1980s. However, I think these dark days will last for another decade or two. Yet, just as the conservative revolution began with Goldwater, at the height of liberal domination, it is now, at the height of GOP control, that liberals must begin planning and working for a return to power.

sore losers bbqing ITT

Sounds good to me. I wonder when Bush will make his first Supreme Court nomination.
Soon, he can hardly wait.

good grief. so bush got elected. its not the end of the world. its just something to deal with for 4 more years, then hes gone and we get a new one. laws can be repealed you know.


But we won't be able to survive 4 conservatives in the Supreme Court. Goddamn conservative assholes! Goddamn Bush!

I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.

To make matters worse, the rest of the world hates the US, so leaving isn't really an option. I'm stuck in this dystopia.
ARGH! If only Bush had the ability to create laws! Then this would have some relevance to the results of the election! Curse you Bush for not running for Senator!

Can you back that up, please? I mean the part about Jesus being liberal.


He was forgiving, merciful, tolerant, ate with sinners, how is that not liberal? I am a christian, and a radical leftist. Christianity is the act of becoming Christlike. Christ was personally without sin, but he was also extremely tolerant of others who had sin. No Conservative has ever had an agenda that was about "forgiveness of sins".

Ok, wait, twenty-five millions(!)? That is 300/25=12, are 1/12 of the americans evangelicals(I don't doubt it as I can't back myself up, but that is REALLY much)?
Actually, he said 25 million NEW voters since 2000. I think I heard that something like 70% of Americans are Christian, but I don't think that takes into account non-practicing Christians.

Where is Nero when you need him?

Where is Nero when you need him?


Dead? :eek:

Authoritarian, millitant liberalism can combat Bush, nothing else.
Authoritarian liberalism, is, by definition, non-existent. It's an oxymoron.

fuck yeah!

Four more years of the Bush Docterine. We will impose the will of the US upon the world and the UN cannot do shit about it. We rock.
That is morally wrong. You have no right to impose your will on the world when the world doesn't want it.

You can be as conservative and bigoted as you like as long as you stay within your own borders. Just stay the hell out of my life. It's bad enough when a government interferes in the lives of its own people, let alone the lives of foreigners.

I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal.

To make matters worse, the rest of the world hates the US, so leaving isn't really an option. I'm stuck in this dystopia.

Cry me a river.

There's always New Zealand....

New Zealand is a great place to live. We have actual trees here. ;)

"I can't believe it! The last vestiges of freedom will soon be gone. Abortion, hentai, gay rights, they're all down the drain after long fought battles to make them legal."

I love to hear all the whining liberals rant about how incredibly shocked they are that thier propaganda didn't work :D

I never heard them say anything about banning animie or hentai. Is hentai any good btw.....

I never heard them say anything about banning animie or hentai. Is hentai any good btw.....

As far as they are concerned, many anime series, such as Inuyasha, are sacreligious and they would jump at the chance to ban them. Look at the Harry Potter books and how much conservatives are pushing for them to be banned.

As for hentai, that's barely legal in the US as it is. The only thing keeping many forms legal is a supreme court ruling and given that Bush is going to replace some judges, that will change.

As for hentai, that's barely legal in the US as it is. The only thing keeping many forms legal is a supreme court ruling and given that Bush is going to replace some judges, that will change.

Leila what supreme court ruling? I've never heard of this non-sense.

hrmmm... Springfield Vs. Comic Book Guy?

Also Letila I highly doubt that the Bush Administration would ban Anime and all the other stuff you are spouting off about. Bush is not Oliver Cromwell for christsakes.

As far as they are concerned, many anime series, such as Inuyasha, are sacreligious and they would jump at the chance to ban them. Look at the Harry Potter books and how much conservatives are pushing for them to be banned.

As for hentai, that's barely legal in the US as it is. The only thing keeping many forms legal is a supreme court ruling and given that Bush is going to replace some judges, that will change.
Bah, hentai is no different (except for the increase in quality) than some of the paintings that people painted long ago that were considered art. Well, also except for the dramatic increase in bondage, rape, furries, tentacles, S&M, hermaphrodites, sex being used as a weapon, people using weapons as sex toys, women with oversized breasts, guys with oversized penises, and sex being used for magical purposes. You know, the fun stuff.

Leila what supreme court ruling? I've never heard of this non-sense.
Actually there was a supreme court ruling stating that there is no such thing as underage in the realm of cartoon porn. The reasoning behind this is that since nobody is being exploited, then there is no grounds to make it illegal. As for any other ruling as far as hentai goes I’m not really sure about.

Bah, hentai is no different (except for the increase in quality) than some of the paintings that people painted long ago that were considered art. Well, also except for the dramatic increase in bondage, rape, furries, tentacles, S&M, hermaphrodites, sex being used as a weapon, people using weapons as sex toys, women with oversized breasts, guys with oversized penises, and sex being used for magical purposes.

But this is the Religious Right (or Wrong, more accurately) we're talking about here. They are utterly offended by all that stuff.

Actually there was a supreme court ruling stating that there is no such thing as underage in the realm of cartoon porn. The reasoning behind this is that since nobody is being exploited, then there is no grounds to make it illegal. As for any other ruling as far as hentai goes I’m not really sure about.

Knowing Bush, that won't last.

But this is the Religious Right (or Wrong, more accurately) we're talking about here. They are utterly offended by all that stuff.



Knowing Bush, that won't last.
If they’re offended by that stuff, than they should stay away from that section of the video store. After all it usually is well labeled. They have no excuse if they wander into that section.

Oh yeah, some of these people are also self-righteous, "morally correct" individuals who aren‘t afraid to impose their beliefs on other people.



Bloody Peasants

But this is the Religious Right (or Wrong, more accurately) we're talking about here. They are utterly offended by all that stuff.



Knowing Bush, that won't last.

Letila, I'll let you into a little secret... The neo-cons are mostly pandering to the religious right to get their votes. If Bush Jr. and company were part of the religious right they would have declared a crusade against Islam, and would try to do something other than just referencing the bible in some speeches and making an election year ploy "Gay Marriage ban" amendment, (much like the Democrats proposing that draft bill to get the youth vote) which was certain to fail. I'm pretty sure that Bush Jr. policy on the question of "Gay Marriage" is that it will be left up to the states as Cheney and Bush Jr. originally stated in 2000 (Cheney's daughter is a lesbian remember!).

That is morally wrong. You have no right to impose your will on the world when the world doesn't want it.

You can be as conservative and bigoted as you like as long as you stay within your own borders. Just stay the hell out of my life. It's bad enough when a government interferes in the lives of its own people, let alone the lives of foreigners.

Ya, expatriation is the one hope I have left, if Bush is just going to come along and make my new home as bad as the old then what the hell's the point?

Ya, expatriation is the one hope I have left, if Bush is just going to come along and make my new home as bad as the old then what the hell's the point?

absolutley amazing. I can't even begin to... You know what anything i say is going to get me kicked out so if you really feel that way just go ahead and do it. The sooner the better.

Letila, I'll let you into a little secret... The neo-cons are mostly pandering to the religious right to get their votes. If Bush Jr. and company were part of the religious right they would have declared a crusade against Islam, and would try to do something other than just referencing the bible in some speeches and making an election year ploy "Gay Marriage ban" amendment, (much like the Democrats proposing that draft bill to get the youth vote) which was certain to fail. I'm pretty sure that Bush Jr. policy on the question of "Gay Marriage" is that it will be left up to the states as Cheney and Bush Jr. originally stated in 2000 (Cheney's daughter is a lesbian remember!).
I highly doubt that the religious right would have voted for Kerry Anyways. Although by voting for a third party they could have had just about the same effect. But I'm sure that most of them wouldn’t want to "waste" their vote like that.

Most people don't hate US citizens, just the country itself and our government. So if you really want to leave, you have nothing to worry about. If you do leave, I'd recommend Holland.


The problem with this is that now the world knows that the US citizens actually CHOSE Bush to lead us this time, and it wasn't just some unfortunate accident, even after this administration has caused such a mess. This is why they probably hate us now in addition to our government

I highly doubt that the religious right would have voted for Kerry Anyways. Although by voting for a third party they could have had just about the same effect. But I'm sure that most of them wouldn’t want to "waste" their vote like that.

They could have also not voted at all if they didn't feel anything about any candidate. Since they liked Bush Jr. because of the pandering they mobilized their numbers this election and did a 'get out the vote' type campaign. Fox just had Pat Robertson on talking about it, those numbers were probably crucial for Bush.

This is so crazy. I turn on CNN and it's like I'm watching a funeral! People whining and complaining about Bush's victory, some nearly crying! Why? You've survived four years of him, and I know of no one who has suffered because of his policies. If he really was so great for the rich people and not the middle class, then why are there so many rich Democrats like George Sores, Michael Moore, and, for that matter, John Kerry, while the vast majority of middle-class families I know are Republican? And now Bush is about to tackle a problem no President in many years has dared to even think about: Social Security, (which affects the middle class far more than the rich). I'll be one of those who will be retiring after Social Security goes bankrupt, and I trust that Bush will make a sincere attempt to fix the system. Kerry just wanted to tax the Social Security benefits to raise money and call that a fix. That doesn't make sense to me. Why should the government give someone a Social Security check and then take a bunch of it back, just to use the recovered money in the new check and take some of it, too?

He was forgiving, merciful, tolerant, ate with sinners, how is that not liberal? I am a christian, and a radical leftist. Christianity is the act of becoming Christlike. Christ was personally without sin, but he was also extremely tolerant of others who had sin. No Conservative has ever had an agenda that was about "forgiveness of sins".

I have a comment about forgiveness. The left likes to think that according to Christianity, we are to forgive everyone for everything. But the Bible states that we are to forgive those who REPENT. Jesus said "Go forth and sin no more," after the woman had come to him and repented. He said to forgive your brother every time he sins against you and repents, when he says to forgive "seventy times seven." Forgiving everyone for everything just isn't a practical policy, and it teaches people that they can get away with what's wrong. Just think what would have happened if Hitler had simply been forgiven by the world powers for his massacre of Jews, and then forgiven for invading Poland, Czechoslovakia, and France? If maybe he had sincerely repented and changed his ways, then he should have been forgiven, but repentence is the key. Even God only forgives those who repent. Those who repent of unbelief and become believers are saved, while those who do not repent and continue unbelieving are not saved. Why should anyone forgive someone who wrongs them and is glad about it?

The problem with this is that now the world knows that the US citizens actually CHOSE Bush to lead us this time, and it wasn't just some unfortunate accident, even after this administration has caused such a mess. This is why they probably hate us now in addition to our government

Don't worry, if you're fleeing to get away from Bush you'd be welcomed. No one will judge you based on what *other* people have done to America.

I agree with the hating of the American government. Frankly it absolutely sickens me (and not just the 'Bush' aspect of it either).

I'd suggest coming to Australia but... well, we have John Howard, Bush's little pet familiar. You'd be better off in New Zealand. Or, hey, Canada (if you feel safe enough that close to home, that is).