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How do you feel about Bush winning the election?

Good

Bad,
We'll all realize we were wrong when were drafted or when were 65 and getting jack shit from the government.

Gloom and doom. My Halliburton stock is pretty happy, though :cool:

I'm feeling pretty depressed and I don't even live in America...

Damnit All to F****** Hell! I hate bush! I hope he gets shot by one those automatic guns he's making legal to carry! Y THE HELL DID KERRY CONCEDE?! He was down by two electoral votes, and could have won ohio, no one knows! He could have won!!!!!

I'm very angry and depressed myself....:(

But lets see how the rest of you feel ;)

just trying to set up my expatriation...

Bad,
We'll all realize we were wrong when were drafted or when were 65 and getting jack shit from the government.

Sadly, this is an all-too-familiar regurgitation of the liberals that has no basis in fact. It's precisely scare tactics such as this that polarized this country, and ultimately, the American people saw through that. I hope in the future, democrats will stop trying to divide the nation for their own political gains, and instead try to unite, like their great hero, John F. Kennedy, did.

I feel great. We got a mandate


Damnit All to F****** Hell! I hate bush! I hope he gets shot by one those automatic guns he's making legal to carry! Y THE HELL DID KERRY CONCEDE?! He was down by two electoral votes, and could have won ohio, no one knows! He could have won!!!!! :rolleyes:

Bad,
We'll all realize we were wrong when were drafted or when were 65 and getting jack shit from the government.
Listen carefully.

There will be no draft.

PS: and lets keep these posts short and sweet, okay? ;)

as much as i LOVE to flame Bush - I don't want to get in trouble with the moderators....

A little depressed and disappointed, not so much because Bush won, but because a whole lot of authoritarian idiots over here are going to start babbling with glee about how this makes Bush a great president and all.

All I can say now is those poor 47-48% of Americans smart enough to try to get rid of him, you poor bastards- not only do you have four more years of the worst president since Reagan, but you have to put up with the rest of the world making the erroneous assumption that you voted from him. :(

I'm not so mad that Bush won, but that the Evangelicals now know that they run the country and that Bush will give them all head now to keep them happy.

They now know they control where this country goes, and it's not a good outlook for liberals or moderates or Libertarians now.

I wish I could move outta this hellhole.

Listen carefully.

There will be no draft.
READ you name: there will be if we don't give up most of troops control to UN. We are stretched too thin!

I'm angry about it, but at the same time I'm also mad that the Democrats couldn't put forth a better candidate- it became apparent all along that John Kerry was simply an attacker and not a leader, and that I believe cost him the election. However, I hold out hope that George W. Bush won't go crazy in the White House and make the U.S. a corporate police state, because I refuse to believe he is that stupid.

I'm not so mad that Bush won, but that the Evangelicals now know that they run the country and that Bush will give them all head now to keep them happy.

They now know they control where this country goes, and it's not a good outlook for liberals or moderates or Libertarians now.

I wish I could move outta this hellhole.

What a great idea!!!!

READ you name: there will be if we don't give up most of troops control to UN. We are stretched too thin!

No chance of a draft, no branch of the military wants it as conscription doesn't always produce the best soldiers...

Yes, we are stretched but we don't need to give control to the UN.

Sadly, this is an all-too-familiar regurgitation of the liberals that has no basis in fact. It's precisely scare tactics such as this that polarized this country, and ultimately, the American people saw through that. I hope in the future, democrats will stop trying to divide the nation for their own political gains, and instead try to unite, like their great hero, John F. Kennedy, did.

You mean like George "you're either on our side or with the terrorists" Bush united everyone behind him.

You mean like George "you're either on our side or with the terrorists" Bush united everyone behind him.

precisely.

See, now 'they've (not bush, but those that control his little moronic/robotic figurehead self) won, so over the next 4 years they will make the evil they've done in the past 4 years seem like nothing... Patriot Act II, War with Iran and/or Syria, more no-competition corporate reconstruction scams, puppet democracy placements, orchestrated homeland terrorist acts... That way they'll push the envelope so far and the people's (us's) breaking point will be reached and there will be civil unrest, civil unrest, civil unrest until they are a) impeached, or b) overthrown... [or c) they win and take over the world as they are trying to do]

Ok, lets see, I am very angry that Bush is in again. The draft is already being pushed through legslature, and since Bush has been re elected the draft, if passed by Congress, will be effective June 15, 2005. This draft is the worst because it goes for men AND women, and collage WONT save you this time, and if you go to canada, dont come back because you'll get in some pretty deep trouble. Bush sux at international and domestic affairs. Bush won on fear and fear alone. :headbang:

Sadly, this is an all-too-familiar regurgitation of the liberals that has no basis in fact. It's precisely scare tactics such as this that polarized this country, and ultimately, the American people saw through that. I hope in the future, democrats will stop trying to divide the nation for their own political gains, and instead try to unite, like their great hero, John F. Kennedy, did.

You call implying a Bush draft scare tactics?? WHat about the Repulicans' "Let's talk about TERRORISM? A bad vote in Nov. will lead to more TERRORISM. We must continue to fight the TERRORISTS. TERROR, TERROR, TERROR! Think of your children!" That's NOT scare tactics? Actually it's more like terrorism. Mental though; not like the physical terrorism they supported in Nicaragua, et al... The Repubs divided the nation into a) stupid, easily duped 'yes whatever your mouthpieces say' zombies, and b) genuinely frightened, thinking, rights-loving, non-greedy human beings... This is accurate and anything posted counter to it is produced by an 'a)'.

Bush won despite the DNC's best efforts to help him win...er lose.

I keep asking my parents if it would be possible to move to Canada.

Jesus, I guess this demonstrates that over half of all US citizens who voted are fucking stupid.

It's a sad day for the world. Don't you just wish George had stayed as the cocaine snorting bum he was? Why did he have to find God(?) or was it the Devil?

Jesus, I guess this demonstrates that over half of all US citizens who voted are fucking stupid.

It's a sad day for the world. Don't you just wish George had stayed as the cocaine snorting bum he was? Why did he have to find God(?) or was it the Devil?

Or maybe over half of the US citizens who voted, decided to vote for who was best for the US.

...or was it the Devil?

Actually, I believe that Cheney found HIM...

Jesus, I guess this demonstrates that over half of all US citizens who voted are fucking stupid.

It's a sad day for the world. Don't you just wish George had stayed as the cocaine snorting bum he was? Why did he have to find God(?) or was it the Devil?


Or could it be that your stupid?

Or maybe over half of the US citizens who voted, decided to vote for who was best for the US.

Yes, and that would be what? More shredding of the bill of rights and dead children in the middle east? And don't forget all the oil! That's what's always best for the us! Zomie, zombie, zombie...

Jesus, I guess this demonstrates that over half of all US citizens who voted are fucking stupid.

It's a sad day for the world. Don't you just wish George had stayed as the cocaine snorting bum he was? Why did he have to find God(?) or was it the Devil?

No, I think it's about 48% of Americans who voted are stupid...

Or could it be that your stupid?

Actually the word is "you're" as in "you are"... ironic, that. ;)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There, I feel better now.

No, I think it's about 48% of Americans who voted are stupid...
Why is opposing a proven to be incredibly stupid (I meant to make up my own words and hold children's books upside down) puppet for greedy, ultra-rich megalomaniacs stupid? Perhaps because their propaganda and scare tactics were totally effective on you?

Listen carefully.

There will be no draft.

Then why do the new enlistment test forms have blanks for draft numbers? Can you explain that?

Then why do the new enlistment test forms have blanks for draft numbers? Can you explain that?

BOO-YAH!

No, I think it's about 48% of Americans who voted are stupid...

Your right...



And the other 3% that also voted for Bush are his super rich cronies.

If you look from a historical view of the world, this is the first time in a long time that the rest of the world has some sort of animinity towards us for some reason or another. Right now this country's bias for the war in Iraq does not give us a clear view of what is going on. I challenge any pro-Bush supporter to leave our bias media and look at what is going on in other media outlets that have a more objective opinion of our situation. You'll find information that has been filtered by our media (namely because our media is controlled by progressively fewer and fewer people) left out. Like about the 11 Al Quida terrorists that 'dissapeared' October 13 of the United States custody. Oh, and remember Bin Laden as much as they want to tell you, is not Saddam.

Yes, and that would be what? More shredding of the bill of rights and dead children in the middle east? And don't forget all the oil! That's what's always best for the us! Zomie, zombie, zombie...

The Patriot Act is one thing I disagree with George on. Dead children in the Middle East...is that abnormal? Oil? You sure do buy into propoganda don't you...

I applaud your effort to sound informed though. [/KerryImpression]

Actually the word is "you're" as in "you are"... ironic, that. ;)

Hey if the best thing you can come back with is insulting my grammar more power to ya... :rolleyes:

Then why do the new enlistment test forms have blanks for draft numbers? Can you explain that?

Do you have any evidence of that? I never had a draft number on mine.

I don't like Bush but i dont think he'll go so far as a draft. The outrage it would cause would be enormous; exspecialy if its true that many of the liberals are young people. Besides hopefully congress has enough sense to stop that bill from passing or there gonig to recieve tons of angry letter............bombs.(Not from me.) :D

The Patriot Act is one thing I disagree with George on. Dead children in the Middle East...is that abnormal? Oil? You sure do buy into propoganda don't you...

I applaud your effort to sound informed though. [/KerryImpression]
I meant dead American children... and as for the oil: when the US first invaded Bagdhad, they made up a list of 20 national sights that they would protect, such as the national museum, electrical and water facilities, the munitions caches, etc. At the bottom of the list were the oil fields. When it came down to it, they protected none of these things (troops were actually photographed standing outside of the museum as rioters sacked it's contents, and let's not forget about all the missing weapons from the caches) except the oil fields. This is accurate; look it up. Actions speak far louder than words, and I spend at least an hour a day online reading national and international sources for my news... how about you? I bet you like Fox, huh?

Or could it be that your stupid?

Calling someone stupid while not having the sense to use you're in place of your. Good one.

It frickin' sucks that bush won. i don't think it's even sunk in for me yet. Just think, 4 more years of job loss and war and loss of life. Also, i'll turn 18 during the next 4 years...so if the draft did happen to return, that would a big problem too.

Hey if the best thing you can come back with is insulting my grammar more power to ya... :rolleyes:

Grammer is incredibly telling when it comes to intellect. If you can't even get the basics right, why bother with the rest?

it's not a good outlook for liberals or moderates or Libertarians now.


Uh, as a libertarian, I disagree.

Democrats=big government= very bad

While there are aspects of Bush's policies that I disagree with, since I'd like government completely out of everyone's life, I still prefer any polotician who takes less money away from the public in general, and Democrats for years have believed in increasing taxes, rather than reducing them, and increasing government expenditures everywhere except for the only thing government is really needed for, national defense. So, maybe left-wing libertarians who are closer to being communist than really libertarian are upset by this, but really, of the candidates, Bush is the better choice, so it's good he won.

No, I think it's about 48% of Americans who voted are stupid...

Actully it would be about 38%, on the grounds that 100% of the US did not vote. Now on a lighter note the way I feel is like :headbang: and then:

this is me--> :( :mp5:

Actully it would be about 38%, on the grounds that 100% of the US did not vote.

To be fair, they said "48 per cent of Americans who voted". Just because we agree politcally, doesn't make you safe from being corrected.

Why is opposing a proven to be incredibly stupid (I meant to make up my own words and hold children's books upside down) puppet for greedy, ultra-rich megalomaniacs stupid? Perhaps because their propaganda and scare tactics were totally effective on you?

"Proven?" Upon what basis is any of your diatribe proven? I think you may have seen Fahrenheit 911 a few too many times. But unlike Bush, Michael Moore would never use propaganda or scare tactics. He is a documentarian damnit, and anything that's in a documentary must be proven facts... right? Seriously, do you really think that Bush and his confidants have decided that they will go out of their way to do harm to the United States in the hope that they might make some money? Is your opinion that he's just a sadistic man who enjoys seeing Americans suffer? Or that he likes to start wars for no reason just so people can die?
Finally, for those of you who are claiming there's going to be a draft, just remember, such a measure would have to pass through Congress and it never would so it's all an irrelevancy.

Alas, it really is pointless arguing with stupid people. First they bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

If you think a President who creates 1 million more unemployed, starts a phoney war, kills innocent children, women and men, wastes the lives of US servicemen and whom thinks Wales is in the US is a good vote, then I wish you more luck next time you're in the queue for brains.

To be fair, they said "48 per cent of Americans who voted". Just because we agree politcally, doesn't make you safe from being corrected.

Fair enough, but the problem is we both probly heard this from a generally credible source. They're just throwing out approximations.

I meant dead American children...

Oh you mean the ones who volunteered to serve.

and as for the oil: when the US first invaded Bagdhad, they made up a list of 20 national sights that they would protect, such as the national museum, electrical and water facilities, the munitions caches, etc. At the bottom of the list were the oil fields. When it came down to it, they protected none of these things (troops were actually photographed standing outside of the museum as rioters sacked it's contents, and let's not forget about all the missing weapons from the caches) except the oil fields. This is accurate; look it up. Actions speak far louder than words, and I spend at least an hour a day online reading national and international sources for my news... how about you? I bet you like Fox, huh?

NBC actually. I hate upstart information networks.

PS: Before you say anything about Halliburton, think about it longer than a DNC soundbite lasts.

I'm not so mad that Bush won, but that the Evangelicals now know that they run the country and that Bush will give them all head now to keep them happy.

They now know they control where this country goes, and it's not a good outlook for liberals or moderates or Libertarians now.

I wish I could move outta this hellhole.

Go ahead.... Whats stopping you? Could it be that we have the highest employment rate? Or is it that Americans enjoy more per capita wealth than virtually any other nation. Go to Russia... I was just in St. Petersburg recently that country is in shambles. I love Russia so much, my roots are there but it is turning into a hell hole. As much as I don't fawn over Bush you have to admit we could do alot worse. At least our government didn't sell our country out to big oil interests like France, Russia, and Germany. At least we can sleep at night knowing we didn't vote against something so we could make oil deals with a dictater.

I'm Canadian and I hate it. How could America elect Bush. Honestly, did you read his platform?! It's BS, all of it. Tsk, so sad; then again, we elected the f*cking Liberal Party.

Uh, as a libertarian, I disagree.

Democrats=big government= very bad

I still prefer any polotician who takes less money away from the public in general, and Democrats for years have believed in increasing taxes, rather than reducing them,
I like the Libertatians since I believe that they represent the most valid second party (Democrats and Republicans are only two sides of the same official 'party-choice' coin), but I must point out that even under Clin-ton (Simpsons joke) huge corporations like Enron and Halliburton paid less than 100 dollars each in yearly income tax. That being the case, where does all the money the gov't spends (ignoring the ridiculous deficit) come from...? We, the people...

I'm Canadian and I hate it. How could America elect Bush. Honestly, did you read his platform?! It's BS, all of it. Tsk, so sad; then again, we elected the f*cking Liberal Party.

What you just said sounds like a big contradiction.

Well, perhaps US will finally learn something... the hard way










Help help, they're calling me a terrorist, flee in terror, run for the hills!

I'm Canadian and I hate it. How could America elect Bush. Honestly, did you read his platform?! It's BS, all of it. Tsk, so sad; then again, we elected the f*cking Liberal Party.

Look to Russia, they are not very far from the Soviet Union and they elected an ex-KGB officer. Not only that Putin was at one time in the mayor of St. Petersburgs office. During his time here the office was internationally known for being outstandingly corrupt. St. Peterburg is plagued with organized crime, under Putin it grew by 30%.
Putin is also shreding civil and political rights like theres no tomorrow.

Uh, as a libertarian, I disagree.

Democrats=big government= very bad

While there are aspects of Bush's policies that I disagree with, since I'd like government completely out of everyone's life, I still prefer any polotician who takes less money away from the public in general, and Democrats for years have believed in increasing taxes, rather than reducing them, and increasing government expenditures everywhere except for the only thing government is really needed for, national defense. So, maybe left-wing libertarians who are closer to being communist than really libertarian are upset by this, but really, of the candidates, Bush is the better choice, so it's good he won.


Amen my libertarian comrade. Bush likes low taxes, free trade and is against socialized healthcare, all liberarian ideals. I may have voted for Badnarik (libertarian party candidate) but I'd take Bush as the lesser of two evils any day over John Kerry.

Go ahead.... Whats stopping you?

Most other countries have very restrictive immigration laws. Canada won't even let a US citizen across the border anymore without something approaching 100$ in their pocket. To become a citizen there, one must have 10,000$, I believe in the bank , and/or own a business to employ their citizens. Look it up; immigration to other places is VERY difficult, so this "love it or leave it" mentality just don't wash anymore.

What you just said sounds like a big contradiction.

That is, unless you're at all aware of the platform of the Canadian's liberal party. The US doesn't hold a benchmark on politcal party profiles.

DOWN WITH THE GOVERNMENT! VIVA LA PROLATARIOT!!!!(jk)
I think the solution to our problems of the "two sides of the same coin" would be to reform the EC and the way voting is done so 3rd parties actually have a chance. If 3rd parties had a chance they would act as a wild card and keep the democrats and republicans on their toes. Also we probaly need a few anti trust suits dealing with the media being only controlled by a few people and all.

That is, unless you're at all aware of the platform of the Canadian's liberal party. The US doesn't hold a benchmark on politcal party profiles.

Well I haven't even been curious about Canadian politics, so meh.

Grammer is incredibly telling when it comes to intellect. If you can't even get the basics right, why bother with the rest?
*Ahem*
GrammAr
Does spelling count too?

Look to Russia, they are not very far from the Soviet Union and they elected an ex-KGB officer. Not only that Putin was at one time in the mayor of St. Petersburgs office. During his time here the office was internationally known for being outstandingly corrupt. St. Peterburg is plagued with organized crime, under Putin it grew by 30%.
Putin is also shreding civil and political rights like theres no tomorrow.


Right now, I like Russia more than I like the US

Absolutely joyful. Kerry would have completely nullified everything we've don in Iraq, and probably appointed more wacky judges who will be more than happy to continue taking our freedom from us while we sit idly by. :D

"Proven?" Upon what basis is any of your diatribe proven? I think you may have seen Fahrenheit 911 a few too many times. But unlike Bush, Michael Moore would never use propaganda or scare tactics. He is a documentarian damnit, and anything that's in a documentary must be proven facts... right? Seriously, do you really think that Bush and his confidants have decided that they will go out of their way to do harm to the United States in the hope that they might make some money? Is your opinion that he's just a sadistic man who enjoys seeing Americans suffer? Or that he likes to start wars for no reason just so people can die?
Finally, for those of you who are claiming there's going to be a draft, just remember, such a measure would have to pass through Congress and it never would so it's all an irrelevancy.

Geez, where to start... First, I've never seen the michael moore film (I'm aware of his heavy-handed fact bending), but I HAVE seen many Bush speeches and photoops where he's stumbled and bumbled with even simple phrasiology like, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" not to mention all of his "Ahh, Umm.." looking for words that he's seemed to misplace. Let alone all of the words he's made up, such as "Hispanical". In regard to your "might make some money" ranting... Why has his crony's companies like Halliburton gotten reconstruction contracts without any other bids? Why did the US only protect the item on the bottom of their list of 20 sights they claimed they would protect, {such as the national Musem, utility facilities, and the now missing weapons caches}, which happened to be the oil fields? As for 'just likes to see Americans suffer' and 'likes to start wars for no reason' ... He prefers to make money, and suffering Americans are a necessary means to a greedy end. ...and THAT's the reason. There were no WPO's and to believe that his party's stating that there were was a mistake, (if that was the main reason to go there, you'de think they'de make DAMNED sure it was correct---how 'good' is this country's intell agencies?) you are too blinded by your ... whatever that rant was caused by, to see it all as the lies it was/is. Actions speak louder than words...

Go ahead.... Whats stopping you? Could it be that we have the highest employment rate? Or is it that Americans enjoy more per capita wealth than virtually any other nation. Go to Russia... I was just in St. Petersburg recently that country is in shambles. I love Russia so much, my roots are there but it is turning into a hell hole. As much as I don't fawn over Bush you have to admit we could do alot worse. At least our government didn't sell our country out to big oil interests like France, Russia, and Germany. At least we can sleep at night knowing we didn't vote against something so we could make oil deals with a dictater.


Money is stopping me, that's about it. Anyone that feels like contributing to my 'get the hell out of here' plan is welcome to do so. Just imagine, that's one less gay-loving jesus-hating baby-eating liberal you all have to deal with~ Saying we could do worse than bush is like saying a murderer could have killed more people. Also, you might want to look into who our president is before you speak too much about oil deals... </tinfoil hat>

*Ahem*
GrammAr
Does spelling count too?

BOO-YAH! Nice call! Yes, but not as much... LOL

Wow. Such hatred. Such sour grapes. Here's an incredibly novel idea: move. Just move. This isn't Cuba, no one is forcing you to stay here. You can leave the party anytime you like. You can move to France where your "hate America" mentality will be better received and more appreciated. Or you can move to any one of the fine countries in the middle east that sponsor terrorists, since we're just paranoid zombies over here spreading fear. I mean, really, they are TOTALLY innocent here. 9/11 was just a fabrication of Bush Corp. to start a war with Iraq for no good reason. Heck, I guess it doesn't really matter where you go. Just move. Obviously your socialist/leftist/communist views are in the minority. I certainly wouldn't want to live in a place that I hated. I doubt any of you will though, seeing as how even with our faults, this is the BEST nation on earth. And in your heart you know that. Stop whining. And stop being petty and correcting people's grammer. It only shows that you aren't focused on the real issues.

DOWN WITH THE GOVERNMENT! VIVA LA PROLATARIOT!!!!(jk)
I think the solution to our problems of the "two sides of the same coin" would be to reform the EC and the way voting is done so 3rd parties actually have a chance. If 3rd parties had a chance they would act as a wild card and keep the democrats and republicans on their toes. Also we probaly need a few anti trust suits dealing with the media being only controlled by a few people and all.

Did you know that the candidates for the Libertarians and the Greens were actually arrested when they showed up at the third 'debates' (infomercials)?

The government and military definitely want a draft...what was the tour of duty for draftees again? I think it was two years? I'm not sure about that, but I'm quite sure to come from being a geek off the street to an effective soldier takes well over two years of training. And that people in the military who don't want to be in the military tend to be sloths that have no honor and just want to get home as soon as they can, no thoughts of serving their country and whatnot. And of course the government wants a bunch of class-cutting, tye dye shirt-wearing, pot-smoking hippies tainting the air and earth again. And OMG Bush sentenced our boys to death in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN. How could he USE our volunteers to eliminate Saddam Hussein and the Taliban. Just listen, if you're going to argue against the war in Iraq on the basis that our soldiers are dying and that's terrible that Bush would send them over to the middle east to die, you're going to get told. Last I checked everyone in Iraq and Afghanistan right now is a volunteer. If I know true patriots in uniform, they should be honored to die in the service of their country.

Now unless we lived in America, where people can take heat, calling the majority of a very large group of people morons would not be a very good idea.

The only thing Bush has passed that limits civil and political rights that I can think of is the Patriot Act. Everything else increases these. Letting people carry guns, and big guns for that matter. Lowering taxes and letting people hold on to their money. Letting states(there's another office you can elect) make their laws. Sounds like freedom.

I don't really understand this "deficit" idea. Isn't that the amount of money the nation owes? So we have to pay other countries. Why can't we take our time about it? What are they gonna' do? Nuke us? When I hear about other nations hating America so much, I think, "If you hate us so much, why don't you come and invade us?" And then I realize the answer. Either they think it'll take to much money, they're not impulsive enough, or they don't think they can win. So you know what? You hate us so much, come and get us. Come and get us with your army. Wait that's right....you don't have an army. Now you know what I think? If you don't have an army, you ought not to badmouth countries with an army. 'Cause you might be badmouthing the guy in office who just might be crazy enough to take you on. (Credit to Dave Chapelle for that last bit, got portions of it from his "Black Bush" skit.) I can foresee the counter that countries like Canada, Scandinavian countries, France, and whatnot actually do have an army. My response to that would be "yeah, and you might last as long as Saddam's Republican guard: About a month." Just my two cents.

I am quite pleased.
I would personally blend libertarian economics with far right morality, but that's just me.
Also, look at the vote in the poll. Does it show how much these forums have a liberal tendency, or is it just me?

Well I haven't even been curious about Canadian politics, so meh.
Then why make a comment on something you are ignorant of? Especially with the purpose of pointing out someone else who obviuosly WOULD know as being wrong?

Also, look at the vote in the poll. Does it show how much these forums have a liberal tendency, or is it just me?

I think it shows that liberals are more interested in electronic games and such than conservatives. WE ARE GEEKS! AHHHH!

BOO-YAH! Nice call! Yes, but not as much... LOL
*bows

The high angry and depressed thing is cuz this site is based in the U.K. were ppl are smart unlike us YEEEEE HAAAWW HAPPY WAR MONGING AMERICANS!

Wow. Such hatred. Such sour grapes. Here's an incredibly novel idea: move. Just move. This isn't Cuba, no one is forcing you to stay here. You can leave the party anytime you like. You can move to France where your "hate America" mentality will be better received and more appreciated. Or you can move to any one of the fine countries in the middle east that sponsor terrorists, since we're just paranoid zombies over here spreading fear. I mean, really, they are TOTALLY innocent here. 9/11 was just a fabrication of Bush Corp. to start a war with Iraq for no good reason. Heck, I guess it doesn't really matter where you go. Just move. Obviously your socialist/leftist/communist views are in the minority. I certainly wouldn't want to live in a place that I hated. I doubt any of you will though, seeing as how even with our faults, this is the BEST nation on earth. And in your heart you know that. Stop whining. And stop being petty and correcting people's grammer. It only shows that you aren't focused on the real issues.

You sound like a fantastic candidate for sending my and my evil socialist ideas packing, feel free to send cash. In the mean time, realize that moving to another country is not as easy as I wish it was.

As for "this is the BEST nation on earth. And in your heart you know that.", my reply is rather simple: Wrong. You believe that, but I do not. Just because you think it's the truth doesn't mean that everyone out there secretly agrees with you but for some reason doesn't want to admit it. As for the real issues, Bush has proven time and time again that he is a witless, careless, gung-ho idiot - I think he has very good intentions, but I think he's failed miserably. There's your real issues.

Don't forget the cash, people. I don't want to be here any more than you want me here =D

what did he win again?

Don't forget the cash, people. I don't want to be here any more than you want me here =D

Ooooh, begging for money. Yet another thing Libs enjoy doing....

Damnit All to F****** Hell! I hate bush! I hope he gets shot by one those automatic guns he's making legal to carry! Y THE HELL DID KERRY CONCEDE?! He was down by two electoral votes, and could have won ohio, no one knows! He could have won!!!!!

Simmer down, Sally. Weapons carry laws are matters of state and local governments. Automatic weapons are strictly controlled by the federal government to the point where their prices are inflated 10-50 times the natural price of their semi-auto. This was the case before Bush, and still is. The only thing that happend, was the '94 "Assault Weapon" ban, which had absolutely nothing to do with automatic weapons, expired as it was designed to do. Bush promised to sign and extenstion of that act if it crossed his desk. If he was actively repealing gun control laws, I just might've voted for him.

I think it shows that liberals are more interested in electronic games and such than conservatives. WE ARE GEEKS! AHHHH!
I think it has more to do with the tendency of America's youth to be liberal...
but wait...
I'M A GEEK!?! NOOOOOO...

Wow. Such hatred. Such sour grapes. Here's an incredibly novel idea: move. Just move. This isn't Cuba, no one is forcing you to stay here. You can leave the party anytime you like. You can move to France where your "hate America" mentality will be better received and more appreciated. Or you can move to any one of the fine countries in the middle east that sponsor terrorists, since we're just paranoid zombies over here spreading fear. I mean, really, they are TOTALLY innocent here. 9/11 was just a fabrication of Bush Corp. to start a war with Iraq for no good reason. Heck, I guess it doesn't really matter where you go. Just move. Obviously your socialist/leftist/communist views are in the minority. I certainly wouldn't want to live in a place that I hated. I doubt any of you will though, seeing as how even with our faults, this is the BEST nation on earth. And in your heart you know that. Stop whining. And stop being petty and correcting people's grammer. It only shows that you aren't focused on the real issues.


Al Qaida (not to mention many other terrorist groups worldwide such as in Nicaragua) was started by US sponsoring and training, going to another country is VERY difficult due to harsh immigration laws elsewhere, and why does critcizing the current admin. = america hating? Rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric... yadayadayada...

I hated Bush and Kerry but I wanted Kerry to win more.
I really can't stand Bush and can't wait for these next 4 years to get overwith.
I really just hate the gov't in general, someone at my school said a joke in class about shooting Bush if he won and the Secret Service arrested them for threating the President's Life. I think that is bull, everyone makes jokes about killing the President now and then and I think that is bull how they were arrested for saying that.

With the issue of the draft I feel that if it happens I'll either A) Go to canada, B) Go ahead and go to boot camp or whatever but not do anything just so I can piss off the people there or C) just go ahead and go to jail. Cause I don't really like this war crap and I ain't fighting a war that we don't need to have anymore.

PS Cuba has one of the highest medical and edjucational systems in the world and they are third world. MUCH higher than this country... WHy? Those things don't make the leaders here money. If you think that leading this country ISN'T about money, take a look at the amounts of money the current cabinet members have. ALL MULTI-millionaires.

Will someone please prove that there are plans for a draft? If there is no proof then SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT and stop scaring people needlessly

Tim Hurst says if the draft ever happens one of his choices will be to go to Canada. But according to the others here, moving to another country such as Canada is too dificult to do right away. So you'll need lots of notice, otherwise you'll only have two choices. And from what I've heard, jail is pretty bad. Like the people there are kind of like criminals....and if you choose choice B, you might be headed there anyway....so your outlook doesn't look so good if there's a draft....but you don't have to worry about that for the next four years.

EDIT: And I do believe the rumor on the "internets" that the draft was going to rebegin was started by Rock the Vote. Rock the Vote. Remember, they don't care who you vote for, just that you vote, and they just want you to know that BUSH IS REINSTATING THE DRAFT! And I definitely buy that. But please, don't trust rockstars when it comes to politics. It's kind of like trusting rockstars when it comes to quantum physics.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. STOP TALKING ABOUT A DRAFT. THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT. A DRAFT IS ACTIVATED BY CONGRESS, NOT THE PRESIDENT. WE DON'T NEED A DRAFT, WE NEED THE UN TO DO MORE TROOP MOVEMENTS.
(I am in Korea, and the US is the only force here (not counting the South Koreans) providing a UN peace force. THE ONLY NATION.

Al Qaida (not to mention many other terrorist groups worldwide such as in Nicaragua) was started by US sponsoring and training, going to another country is VERY difficult due to harsh immigration laws elsewhere, and why does critcizing the current admin. = america hating? Rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric... yadayadayada...

Wow, how incredibly untrue this is. The US has never sponsored terrorism in any form. True, the US has aided rebel insurgents, see Nicaragua, and have trained and armed militias to help in removing a dictator or opposing government. It is true that the US trained Osama bin Laden and helped remove the dictator from Nicaragua (whose name escapes me at present, any help?). However, sponsoring terrorism is completely different. Osama bin Laden turned against the US and took up terrorist actions. Guerilla warfare, which is most likely what you are describing, is completely different from the wanton destruction of innocents in order to achieve some political or social purpose.

Damnit All to F****** Hell! I hate bush! I hope he gets shot by one those automatic guns he's making legal to carry! Y THE HELL DID KERRY CONCEDE?! He was down by two electoral votes, and could have won ohio, no one knows! He could have won!!!!!

No, NO

he could not have won ohio
even if all the remain votes were for kerry bush would win ohio

Geez, where to start... First, I've never seen the michael moore film (I'm aware of his heavy-handed fact bending), but I HAVE seen many Bush speeches and photoops where he's stumbled and bumbled with even simple phrasiology like, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" not to mention all of his "Ahh, Umm.." looking for words that he's seemed to misplace. Let alone all of the words he's made up, such as "Hispanical". In regard to your "might make some money" ranting... Why has his crony's companies like Halliburton gotten reconstruction contracts without any other bids? Why did the US only protect the item on the bottom of their list of 20 sights they claimed they would protect, {such as the national Musem, utility facilities, and the now missing weapons caches}, which happened to be the oil fields? As for 'just likes to see Americans suffer' and 'likes to start wars for no reason' ... He prefers to make money, and suffering Americans are a necessary means to a greedy end. ...and THAT's the reason. There were no WPO's and to believe that his party's stating that there were was a mistake, (if that was the main reason to go there, you'de think they'de make DAMNED sure it was correct---how 'good' is this country's intell agencies?) you are too blinded by your ... whatever that rant was caused by, to see it all as the lies it was/is. Actions speak louder than words...

If the war was for oil, that's the most expensive oil purchased in world history. Why not just subsidize Haliburton directly if that was the nefarious purpose of it all. Do I think the war could have used more planning and careful analysis before sending troops? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that Bush cares more about making money for his friends than he does about American lives. You are making an incredible charge and alleging a conspiracy of fanstastic proportions to get the senate and populace to go along with him. When the vote in the senate came out ninety something to like six, everyone thought there was probably WMD's in Iraq (the senate intel. committee, of which Kerry is a member, got the same intel. the Bush administration saw). However, by Bush's own statements, the war was pre-emptive which means that he is admitting that Iraq was not a danger to America now. He was saying that they could be a danger soon. Whether you agree pre-emptive war or not is another issue and one which there can be legitimate disagreement but I just don't see it a point which should produce such vitriolic rage. As an aside, to say that a person's lack or rhetorical prowess makes them unintelligent is highly questionable. Plenty of extremely intelligent people, not that I'm saying Bush is one, have had difficulty exressing their ideas in speech.

The high angry and depressed thing is cuz this site is based in the U.K. were ppl are smart unlike us YEEEEE HAAAWW HAPPY WAR MONGING AMERICANS!

Good point... ALL BUSH SUPPORTERS TAKE NOTE! There has been no greater global protest to a n event IN THE HISTORY OF THE PLANET, than to the us once again invading Iraq. What does that say? Is the rest of the world a bunch of cowards like the French? That's just like calli9ng the one kid in a group who didn't want to break into a car a 'pussy'. Knowing something is wrong does not equal being afraid to do it!

Will someone please prove that there are plans for a draft? If there is no proof then SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT and stop scaring people needlessly

A few months ago six Democrats in Congress presented a bill to reinstate a drafting procedure. It was immediately shot down by the overwhelming majority, a bipartisan effort, in Congress. The draft plan was just a ploy at some greater scheme that failed miserably for these six or so Dems, some of whom have lost there seat due to the manuever. A draft will never pass because Bush and the Congress both want the military to remain volunteer only. If troops become necessary the only measures that pass would be to improve incentives for service because a draft would be political suicide fro any Congressmen that voted for it. There is no need to worry about a draft... its just a tactic that liberals use to try and scare people into agreeing with there anti-Bush sentiment. Ironically, it was the Dems that started the bill in the first place.

Then why make a comment on something you are ignorant of? Especially with the purpose of pointing out someone else who obviuosly WOULD know as being wrong?

Because from an American mindset, opposing a 'Liberal' Party while supporting Kerry is funny.

chopped your quotes down a bit for brevity, left everything in contex.

How could he USE our volunteers to eliminate Saddam Hussein and the Taliban. Just listen, if you're going to argue against the war in Iraq on the basis that our soldiers are dying and that's terrible that Bush would send them over to the middle east to die, you're going to get told. Last I checked everyone in Iraq and Afghanistan right now is a volunteer. If I know true patriots in uniform, they should be honored to die in the service of their country.

The only thing Bush has passed that limits civil and political rights that I can think of is the Patriot Act. Everything else increases these. Letting people carry guns, and big guns for that matter. Lowering taxes and letting people hold on to their money. Letting states(there's another office you can elect) make their laws. Sounds like freedom.

I don't really understand this "deficit" idea. Isn't that the amount of money the nation owes? So we have to pay other countries. Why can't we take our time about it? What are they gonna' do? Nuke us? When I hear about other nations hating America so much, I think, "If you hate us so much, why don't you come and invade us?" And then I realize the answer. Either they think it'll take to much money, they're not impulsive enough, or they don't think they can win. So you know what? You hate us so much, come and get us. Come and get us with your army. Wait that's right....you don't have an army. Now you know what I think? If you don't have an army, you ought not to badmouth countries with an army. 'Cause you might be badmouthing the guy in office who just might be crazy enough to take you on. (Credit to Dave Chapelle for that last bit, got portions of it from his "Black Bush" skit.) I can foresee the counter that countries like Canada, Scandinavian countries, France, and whatnot actually do have an army. My response to that would be "yeah, and you might last as long as Saddam's Republican guard: About a month." Just my two cents.


Holy crap, you win the award for 'person best summarizing why I want to get the hell out of here today'.

point by point:

1. If I know true patriots in uniform, they should be honored to die in the service of their country.

That is a disgraceful statement. To suggest that the lives of all those that have died are worth it is bad enough, but to suggest that they should be honored to have fallen in this ridiculous war is atrocious. We, as Americans, have failed our fallen by not holding those in power accountable. There remains no reason for us to have invaded the sovereign nation of Iraq, and yet we push on through thousands, and thousands, and thousands of deaths. We should all be ashamed.

2. The only thing Bush has passed that limits civil and political rights that I can think of is the Patriot Act. Everything else increases these. Letting people carry guns, and big guns for that matter.

Carrying a big gun != freedom, contrary to conventional Texas wisdom. Glossing over the patriot act to mention gun control (which Bush claims to support, for reference) and a tax cut for the wealthy is either foolish or ignorant.

3. Regarding the defecit

This I actually don't blame you at all for not fully comprehending, as I don't myself - but the defecit is more effectively the amount of money we owe ourselves as opposed to other people, it takes into account all the monies required for future programs and projected costs of national upkeep, in addition to the foreign debts you'd mentioned. As for why other countries aren't invading us, let me make something clear for you here: numerous individuals across the world actually respect human life. I'd suppose that numerous nations actually hold a good amount of pity for Americans, and rightly so. Before you go assuming America could militarily trounce the entire world, by the by, might I suggest you actually investigate the military strength of other nations, as I assure you - you will be quite surprised (kinetic tank rounds that disable the current model Abrams, anyone?)

I can't believe how imperialistic so many of you are... You realize that team humanity is much more important than team USA, right? right..?

Good point... ALL BUSH SUPPORTERS TAKE NOTE! There has been no greater global protest to a n event IN THE HISTORY OF THE PLANET, than to the us once again invading Iraq. What does that say? Is the rest of the world a bunch of cowards like the French? That's just like calli9ng the one kid in a group who didn't want to break into a car a 'pussy'. Knowing something is wrong does not equal being afraid to do it!

When I hear about other nations hating America so much, I think, "If you hate us so much, why don't you come and invade us?" And then I realize the answer. Either they think it'll take to much money, they're not impulsive enough, or they don't think they can win. So you know what? You hate us so much, come and get us. Come and get us with your army. Wait that's right....you don't have an army. Now you know what I think? If you don't have an army, you ought not to badmouth countries with an army. 'Cause you might be badmouthing the guy in office who just might be crazy enough to take you on

That quote there is part of my response. I also would like to know why the rest of the world is so concerned with Iraq. If all the liberal talk about us "going it alone" is true, what do the other nations care? It's not their money, it's not their people.

If the war was for oil, that's the most expensive oil purchased in world history. .

That's all future oil production they're looking at. Peak oil is here. It just gets more expensive from here on out. Bush's own admin just reported last week they belive it will hit 100$ a barrel soon and other 'experts' claim it'll be more like 200. Look at the geography in the middle east. Afghanistan was in the way for creating a pipeline (already under construction) to the gulf and China's industiralization is puckering at it's teet. Another oil-as-a-cause 'proof': when the war was just starting, all of the British bases in the area were dubbed with James Bondesque monickers such as 'goldfinger' and such, as is common with such military events (naming bases after a theme being playful, not Bond-specific) and the US's were named, ''Shell", "Conoco", and the monickers of other oil companies. Really... Look it up... Besides, controlling the last of the oil = much more power than $$

(This is in response to the zero and the one's rebuttle of my statement. I didn't feel the need to quote him, too much space)

I'm down with that. I just don't respect human life. That's how I feel. Besides, people called the Roman empires great, even the British empire great. People just don't like Imperialism anymore. Back in the day, it used to be all about empires. Times sure have changed, haven't they.

Disregard everything she says. She is a blind republican...


Damn I love her! :fluffle:

Good point... ALL BUSH SUPPORTERS TAKE NOTE! There has been no greater global protest to a n event IN THE HISTORY OF THE PLANET, than to the us once again invading Iraq. What does that say? Is the rest of the world a bunch of cowards like the French? That's just like calli9ng the one kid in a group who didn't want to break into a car a 'pussy'. Knowing something is wrong does not equal being afraid to do it!

This global protest that you speak of... it wouldn't be the one being put up by the UN and its supportes would it? The majority of major nations that speak out against the war in Iraq are primarily opposed to it because they were receiveing money from Iraq. The UN and its supporters are corrupt and will not go to war because they take kickbacks from Saddam. Now that Bush won re-election Germany has pledged troops for the reconstruction effort. France has remained adamant in its anti-war effort, but you know what, the French are cowards, corrupt cowards. The global protest is only coming from the nations that Saddam bought or the nations that are harboring terrorists themselves. They just hate the war because it goes against their ideology of hate. So... BUSH SUPPORTS TAKE NOTE, what is happening in Iraq is for the good of the world. Terrorism is a plague on all societies and needs to be fought. Saddam was aiming to build nuclear weapons; he was a malicious dictator. Those that oppose the war do so because they don't want to see the Middle East become a safer place. Had Clinton gone to war in Iraq the liberals would be his banner carriers. This is just partisanship to its greatest degree.

Disregard everything she says. She is a blind republican...


Damn I love her! :fluffle:


(you) :rolleyes: :sniper: (me)

lol...love you too!

See, now 'they've (not bush, but those that control his little moronic/robotic figurehead self) won, so over the next 4 years they will make the evil they've done in the past 4 years seem like nothing... Patriot Act II, War with Iran and/or Syria, more no-competition corporate reconstruction scams, puppet democracy placements, orchestrated homeland terrorist acts... That way they'll push the envelope so far and the people's (us's) breaking point will be reached and there will be civil unrest, civil unrest, civil unrest until they are a) impeached, or b) overthrown... [or c) they win and take over the world as they are trying to do]


so sad but porbably so true

:upyours: See, now 'they've (not bush, but those that control his little moronic/robotic figurehead self) won, so over the next 4 years they will make the evil they've done in the past 4 years seem like nothing... Patriot Act II, War with Iran and/or Syria, more no-competition corporate reconstruction scams, puppet democracy placements, orchestrated homeland terrorist acts... That way they'll push the envelope so far and the people's (us's) breaking point will be reached and there will be civil unrest, civil unrest, civil unrest until they are a) impeached, or b) overthrown... [or c) they win and take over the world as they are trying to do]


so sad but porbably so true

:) (me) talking to :confused: (Astriastar) = :headbang: (me)

sure i wanted kerry, but it really doesn't matter this year...at least we get to see what bush will do with the hole he dug himself into, instead of getting to have kerry to use as a scapegoat.

good luck in 2008 - Go Rudy Giuliani

That quote there is part of my response. I also would like to know why the rest of the world is so concerned with Iraq. If all the liberal talk about us "going it alone" is true, what do the other nations care? It's not their money, it's not their people.
It's about doing something that is viewed as illegal by the rest of the world only because you have the power to. Just because one can doesn't mean that one should. If it's Iraq today, who then tomorrow? See how it works? It's not their money or peopleso why care? Is that how calloused and jaded the right truley is? THEY ARE HUMANS AS ARE WE ALL! Having a huge thug/bully beat up a comparativly helpless little country is offensive to thinking people. The US has enough arms to detroy the rest of the planet. Even all together, the rest of the planet coudn't win against you. DOes that mean you can go around doing anything you want? Where's the moralism and family values in that?

sure i wanted kerry, but it really doesn't matter this year...at least we get to see what bush will do with the hole he dug himself into, instead of getting to have kerry to use as a scapegoat.

good luck in 2008 - Go Rudy Giuliani

Yeah, baby! My view exactly! By the way, it's going to be Hillary against Arnold in '08. The laws are already being adjusted.

Well, say hello to another 4 years of a retarded, war-mongering, conservative in power...I really hope he doesn't start some stupid-arse draft or any of that crap...

Okay, so now to post a serious post, and not just poke fun at my girlfriend...

Now that the republicans maintained controlled of both the executive and legislative branch, we can expect huge improvements around here...NOT!



Astria, stop your post on here, hurry home and start dinner. I expect dinner on the table by the time I get home. "Woman, get me that beer!" LOL

That's all future oil production they're looking at. Peak oil is here. It just gets more expensive from here on out. Bush's own admin just reported last week they belive it will hit 100$ a barrel soon and other 'experts' claim it'll be more like 200. Look at the geography in the middle east. Afghanistan was in the way for creating a pipeline (already under construction) to the gulf and China's industiralization is puckering at it's teet. Another oil-as-a-cause 'proof': when the war was just starting, all of the British bases in the area were dubbed with James Bondesque monickers such as 'goldfinger' and such, as is common with such military events (naming bases after a theme being playful, not Bond-specific) and the US's were named, ''Shell", "Conoco", and the monickers of other oil companies. Really... Look it up... Besides, controlling the last of the oil = much more power than $$

I certainly agree that the US is looking to capitalize on the oil in Iraq. But they will be at the mercy of the Iraqi government once elections take place. Pipelines blow up frequently and these companies are taking risks by being there although if all goes well, they will reap huge rewards. Anyway, the Iraq war has cost close to $300 billion and even at $200 a barrell (that's revenue not profit) it's going to be a long time before that's a profitable venture. They could have just bribed Saddam Hussein for it if they really wanted it that bad, I'm sure he would have complied.

Okay, so now to post a serious post, and not just poke fun at my girlfriend...

Now that the republicans maintained controlled of both the executive and legislative branch, we can expect huge improvements around here...NOT!



Astria, stop your post on here, hurry home and start dinner. I expect dinner on the table by the time I get home. "Woman, get me that beer!" LOL

Neanderthal....

I am mad because EVERYTHING and EVERYONE indicated a Kerry win! Also I think we could've picked a better person than kerry. Maybe Dean. Well I guess its 4 more years of shifting blame onto other people. Another War will pop up that has suspicious reason. Another Terrorist attack and Martial Law. I was really hoping of having a Catholic in office again, like JFK. So who wants to help me buy an island in the Phillipines?

I'm SO happy Bush is the president! Our economy has boosted so much the past 4 eyars because of him, and Kerry reminds me too much of Clinton and I hate Kerry. His nose is big and he's so vague about everything he says. :D :p

For all you Bush haters, just think of it this way:

At least Bush can't fun for president anymore, so Kerry still has a chance.

It's about doing something that is viewed as illegal by the rest of the world only because you have the power to. Just because one can doesn't mean that one should. If it's Iraq today, who then tomorrow? See how it works? It's not their money or peopleso why care? Is that how calloused and jaded the right truley is? THEY ARE HUMANS AS ARE WE ALL! Having a huge thug/bully beat up a comparativly helpless little country is offensive to thinking people. The US has enough arms to detroy the rest of the planet. Even all together, the rest of the planet coudn't win against you. DOes that mean you can go around doing anything you want? Where's the moralism and family values in that?

Fighting global terror networks and freeing people from an oppressive dictator is not moral? Trying to promote peace by ridding a country of a murderous leader and his oppressive regime is wrong? Maybe you should stop pretending that everything the US does is for the shear sake of being a bully or for greed. If the world is so evil and everyone is so bad then nothing that anyone did could ever be trusted. The intentions of the war in Iraq are meant to be noble and liberating. If you can't see that then I pity you.

Damnit All to F****** Hell! I hate bush! I hope he gets shot by one those automatic guns he's making legal to carry! Y THE HELL DID KERRY CONCEDE?! He was down by two electoral votes, and could have won ohio, no one knows! He could have won!!!!!
You're right he could have won Ohio if he won at least 85% vote that they were still counting, which most were from repub counties so stop crying you fucking pissant.

This global protest that you speak of... it wouldn't be the one being put up by the UN and its supportes would it?

No it's the tens of MILLIONS of people who took to the streets globally just as the war had gotten underway. It is in the record books as offically being the most public protest to a single event ever.

Well, say hello to another 4 years of a retarded, war-mongering, conservative in power...I really hope he doesn't start some stupid-arse draft or any of that crap...

There will be no draft. Only fools are concerned about a draft. I'm facing the next four years with great optimism. A Republican Congress, President, and soon to be Supreme Court. Now the US is on its way to becoming a stronger, safer nation under a President with clear views and vision. Its going to be a glorious presidency, if only marred by the childish aspersion of ignorant liberals.

I'm SO happy Bush is the president! Our economy has boosted so much the past 4 eyars because of him, and Kerry reminds me too much of Clinton and I hate Kerry. His nose is big and he's so vague about everything he says. :D :p

For all you Bush haters, just think of it this way:

At least Bush can't fun for president anymore, so Kerry still has a chance.
Bush hasn't really effected our economy AT ALL since he entered as president

Saddam was aiming to build nuclear weapons; he was a malicious dictator.

You're right. Only despotic and evil regimes would build, maintain and stockpile nuclear weapons

I have been reading posts in this ongoing battle between bush supporters and the rest of the world, I i have to be honest most of it has been funny. It makes for a good read. First off i think the extremists on both sides need to step back and look at how stupid their posts really sound. I've read everything from 'the world is going to end in a nuclear holocost' and 'all conservatives are stupid rednecks' to ' the us should invade europe' and 'all liberals need to be killed'. Come on have some common sense. Another thing that comes to mind is this whole American vs Europe mentality. The posts i have seen just go to prove that we do at least share one thing incommon, we both have stupid people. If your going to make an aurgument you should try using logic and common sense instead of some insane off the wall rantings. I know that their are a lot of good aurguments taking place, but they are being dimished by the actions of the extremists.

Now as for Bush vs Kerry. I personally voted for Bush. Now i'm not a huge fan of Bush. I dislike a lot of his polcies such as 'No child left behind' or known to those in the education department as 'No child left untested', his economic package needs a lot of work, and i don't like his tie to big business. I would have voted for a good democrate, but Kerry was too much of a polotician for my liking. He never really took a convincing stand on anything and always talked about his plan but never made me feel like he actually had a plan. I wish that congress would have gotten a democratic majority to help balence out the scale.

Iraq: I think going into Iraq was good. We should have a long time ago. Sadaam is a Hitler without power. Its true as a nation it isn't our responisblity to police the world, but as human beings it is our responbiblity to not just sit back and watch evil grow like that. We need to help people who don't have the strength to help themselves. Now I believe that Bush made a mistake by not letting the military run the show once he decided to go. This is much like Vietnam, if you go to war, let the genrals fight it. They knew what they would need to not only win the war, but to secure the peace as well. He gave them about half of what they wanted.

My last thought is for those people who keep saying "i want to move to another country" That is your Choice, let reccomend some countries Somalia: pretty nice this time of year so i've heard. Of course that is if you can survive the constant civil war. No legitamte government, and the famine. Iran: Is a hot choice nowadays you'd have absolutly no political power, couldn't say anything bad bout the government, and could get arrested for no reason at all to. Another popular choice is North Korea Nice country, little cold in the winter but if you can get past the lack of food, health care, and pretty much any civil service it'd be a paradise on earth. All sarcasim aside you don't realize how lucky you truely are to live in this country. Yes its not perfect by no government is.

Oh as a side note i know this post is filled with spelling mistakes and gramaticle errors. I haven't gotten a 100% on a spelling test since 2nd grade. So you are welcome to point out what every one of my english teachers have known sicne i was little, I suck at writing.

Thanks for listening.

No it's the tens of MILLIONS of people who took to the streets globally just as the war had gotten underway. It is in the record books as offically being the most public protest to a single event ever.

That just shows that we have an increased number of people that have nothing better to do than exercise their partisan hatred for the conservative right. Its just like Vietnam with a higher population percentage. The protests were just fueled by angry liberals that hate Bush regardless of what he may do.

All I can say now is those poor 47-48% of Americans smart enough to try to get rid of him, you poor bastards- not only do you have four more years of the worst president since Reagan, but you have to put up with the rest of the world making the erroneous assumption that you voted from him. :(

Wait aminute...Bush worse than Clinton??? Clinton had Osama basically handed to him by the Sudanese, but he didn't want to deal with it because he was too busy having oral sex with Monica Lewinsky. He was convicted of perjury! Meanwhile, Bush is fixing the economy (that Clinton destroyed) and has helped liberate millions in Afghanistan and Iraq. And if you think Reagan was a bad president, I would tend to believe a.)you worship Michael Moore; b.)you often threaten to move to Canada; and c.)you're a dumbass with no understanding of how grateful you should be to live in a country where you don't get shot in the head in the middle of the night by your government for stating your opinion.

I am mad because EVERYTHING and EVERYONE indicated a Kerry win! Also I think we could've picked a better person than kerry. Maybe Dean. Well I guess its 4 more years of shifting blame onto other people. Another War will pop up that has suspicious reason. Another Terrorist attack and Martial Law. I was really hoping of having a Catholic in office again, like JFK. So who wants to help me buy an island in the Phillipines?

Why should religion have anything to do with who runs the country? Being of one religion or another doesn't make you a good politician or leader.

It's a shame Leonard Peikoff wouldn't run for president i would illegally cast 1 billion votes just so he could get the popular vote :)

Fighting global terror networks and freeing people from an oppressive dictator is not moral? Trying to promote peace by ridding a country of a murderous leader and his oppressive regime is wrong? Maybe you should stop pretending that everything the US does is for the shear sake of being a bully or for greed. If the world is so evil and everyone is so bad then nothing that anyone did could ever be trusted. The intentions of the war in Iraq are meant to be noble and liberating. If you can't see that then I pity you.

If those were the real reasons for going in, then why not the couple of dozen other murderous leaders with oppressive regimes worldwide? (they have no oil) By the way, in a recent poll of Iraqis, they claim to have had better living conditions with Saddam than they have now... IE: power, water and food without constant bombing and gunfire in the streets. A good number of the terrorists there are Iraqi citizens who want the occupying country (the us) and it's puppet government 'you' installed there out.

Damnit All to F****** Hell! I hate bush! I hope he gets shot by one those automatic guns he's making legal to carry! Y THE HELL DID KERRY CONCEDE?! He was down by two electoral votes, and could have won ohio, no one knows! He could have won!!!!!

The assault weapons ban that expired did so after a set amount of time, and was not Bush's doing. Also, the assault weapons ban did NOT criminalize automatic weapons; they were still wholly legal under the ban, just as they are now, provided you qualify legally and fill out the appropriate paperwork. The "assault weapons" ban actually banned pistol grips and other cosmetic features of weapons that made them look threatening, and not the actual weapons themselves.

Maybe you should do some research and learn to type coherently so that when you go on the attack you don't look like a blithering idiot.

Yeah, baby! My view exactly! By the way, it's going to be Hillary against Arnold in '08. The laws are already being adjusted.
There is a lot of speculation going around, i've heard from multiple sources that Rudy will try to run. I think he would take my vote. I don't like liberals, which is why it was so difficult for me to vote kerry, since i really didn't like either candidate.

The outcome of this election was good. Not because of Bush winning or because of Kerry losing, but because for the first time in a long time a clear majority of Americans chose the president and there is no debate over the electoral college or any lawsuits. Regardless of what happens from here on out, the American people chose their leader and the events of the next four years fall on our shoulders.

Now...onto Giuliani, Arnold, and Hillary. Giuliani and Arnold have about the same chances of getting on a Republican ticket as Tim Allen does to star in another good movie. This is simply because of their stances on abortion and gay rights. Hillary will not be president because Democrats know that people will vote for and against her just because she is a woman, and seeing the results of this election it seems that the "against" column might be a little more plentiful. The best Democratic ticket I see in 2008 would be an Edwards/Clinton to get the votes that would be lost because of the gender discrimination.

Bad,
We'll all realize we were wrong when were drafted or when were 65 and getting jack shit from the government.


The bill that was introduced that brought up the draft issue wasn't a Republican bill. It was Democrats who wrote it.

Social Security won't be there when you are 65 for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with Bush. So why don't you get off your ass now, and quit bitching about a government hand-out that you shouldn't need anyway when you reach that age. Invest in something for your future. Or go live somewhere where your complacency regarding your financial future, and that of your family, can be considered acceptable.

And if you think Reagan was a bad president, I would tend to believe a.)you worship Michael Moore; b.)you often threaten to move to Canada; and c.)you're a dumbass with no understanding of how grateful you should be to live in a country where you don't get shot in the head in the middle of the night by your government for stating your opinion.

HAHA awesome stuff, i think the people should stop "threatening to leave" and really go and see how worse of Canada is. It really is a shame about Reagan he was a great man and a great president

Wait aminute...Bush worse than Clinton??? Clinton had Osama basically handed to him by the Sudanese, but he didn't want to deal with it because he was too busy having oral sex with Monica Lewinsky.

The sex thing is nothing but a smokescreen (who cares what does it really matter?) and Bush's dad helped put bin laden in power to begin with. Look it up...

I have been reading posts in this ongoing battle between bush supporters and the rest of the world, I i have to be honest most of it has been funny. It makes for a good read. First off i think the extremists on both sides need to step back and look at how stupid their posts really sound. I've read everything from 'the world is going to end in a nuclear holocost' and 'all conservatives are stupid rednecks' to ' the us should invade europe' and 'all liberals need to be killed'. Come on have some common sense. Another thing that comes to mind is this whole American vs Europe mentality. The posts i have seen just go to prove that we do at least share one thing incommon, we both have stupid people. If your going to make an aurgument you should try using logic and common sense instead of some insane off the wall rantings. I know that their are a lot of good aurguments taking place, but they are being dimished by the actions of the extremists.

Now as for Bush vs Kerry. I personally voted for Bush. Now i'm not a huge fan of Bush. I dislike a lot of his polcies such as 'No child left behind' or known to those in the education department as 'No child left untested', his economic package needs a lot of work, and i don't like his tie to big business. I would have voted for a good democrate, but Kerry was too much of a polotician for my liking. He never really took a convincing stand on anything and always talked about his plan but never made me feel like he actually had a plan. I wish that congress would have gotten a democratic majority to help balence out the scale.

Iraq: I think going into Iraq was good. We should have a long time ago. Sadaam is a Hitler without power. Its true as a nation it isn't our responisblity to police the world, but as human beings it is our responbiblity to not just sit back and watch evil grow like that. We need to help people who don't have the strength to help themselves. Now I believe that Bush made a mistake by not letting the military run the show once he decided to go. This is much like Vietnam, if you go to war, let the genrals fight it. They knew what they would need to not only win the war, but to secure the peace as well. He gave them about half of what they wanted.

My last thought is for those people who keep saying "i want to move to another country" That is your Choice, let reccomend some countries Somalia: pretty nice this time of year so i've heard. Of course that is if you can survive the constant civil war. No legitamte government, and the famine. Iran: Is a hot choice nowadays you'd have absolutly no political power, couldn't say anything bad bout the government, and could get arrested for no reason at all to. Another popular choice is North Korea Nice country, little cold in the winter but if you can get past the lack of food, health care, and pretty much any civil service it'd be a paradise on earth. All sarcasim aside you don't realize how lucky you truely are to live in this country. Yes its not perfect by no government is.

Oh as a side note i know this post is filled with spelling mistakes and gramaticle errors. I haven't gotten a 100% on a spelling test since 2nd grade. So you are welcome to point out what every one of my english teachers have known sicne i was little, I suck at writing.

Thanks for listening.

That is one long post. You're right about the spelling and grammar mistakes, too. However, I believe you're correct. I'm a conservative, I've got nothing to hide, but I don't think Bush is the second Christ. I don't believe that he is perfect and that everything he has done is perfect. The economy is improving, but it still has a ways to go. I think he is a strong leader and individual. He stands for his beliefs and values morality over popularity. What makes me stand with him in these forums is strongly egged on by the violent and baseless attacks that liberals launch against his presidency. Individuals that do so only hurt there cause because not everyone is an avid Bush-hater and its just distasteful.

THEY ARE HUMANS AS ARE WE ALL!
Yes yes they are. Sadaam was such a popular leader. All the people loved him... or were killed. He took such careful conisderation of the value of families so he took care in making sure whole familes of kurds were killed together. He was such a peace lover that he took his chemicle weapons and disposed of them... br realeasing them over kurdish cities wiping them out. I think we should give this man a nobel peace prize. Anyone else. :sniper:

In the words of Bender Bender Rodreguiz: "We're Boned" And why do people think that having ONE party control all three branches is good? ITS NOT! Its bad! Its very BAD because what it does is render Check and Balance worthless! Our forefather designed this so that One Party would have Congress while another would have The White House. The Supreme Court is SUSPOSE to be non-partisan. So with one party controlling Congress and White House. I guess George W. Bush can pass any law he'd like and theres nothing stopping him.

Moving to Canada.

And if you think Reagan was a bad president, I would tend to believe a.)you worship Michael Moore; b.)you often threaten to move to Canada; and c.)you're a dumbass with no understanding of how grateful you should be to live in a country where you don't get shot in the head in the middle of the night by your government for stating your opinion.

Reagan did more to subvert the lower classes such as obolishing unions and telling the corporations that the OSHA regulations would not be inforced by them, then Thatcher did in England. Well, almost anyway. QUit assuming all anti-Bush regime-ians (?) are pro Michael Moore. Noam Chomsky is the name you all should be wary of, because he paints a much more vivid picture of both right and left wing opression, and with MANY more degrees and notable sources, such as business week, the new york times and the wall street journal. Not to mention transcripts from the government itself. If you think he is fallable, you haven't read him or operate on a purely emotive level, ignorant of the subleties of logic and debate.

Actually the forefathers founded it so that there wouldn't be any parties and that everyone would do what was right. Washington and Madison both warned against such "factions" forming from the get-go and they were both right. Now we have career politicians who think too much for their own well being and not enough for the nation's. Checks and balances was designed as a way of making sure that radical groups didn't take control, not a way of keeping parties out of power and thats why it doesn't work.

Wait aminute...Bush worse than Clinton??? Clinton had Osama basically handed to him by the Sudanese, but he didn't want to deal with it because he was too busy having oral sex with Monica Lewinsky. He was convicted of perjury! Meanwhile, Bush is fixing the economy (that Clinton destroyed) and has helped liberate millions in Afghanistan and Iraq. And if you think Reagan was a bad president,

Ok first I agree that Clinton had Osama, but let him go. However under the same token, Bush had Osama cornered at Tora Bora, and then shifted to Iraq. So he screwed up too. HOWEVER on the economy, damn where were you in the 8 years that Clinton was President? Under Clinton the Economy was at its highest! Also, if liberated means being ruled by Warlords, having an invading country fight another country (terrorist) and having shit blow up all around you, then no thank you. I actually came in 1984 so I know nothing about Regan.

I hope in the future, democrats will stop trying to divide the nation for their own political gains, and instead try to unite, like their great hero, John F. Kennedy, did.

Isn't it interesting how both of their initials are JFK, and they were both practicing Catholics?

You'll notice I said were. JFK was a good example of how a person can stay true to their faith, AND be the most loved president we've ever had (with the possible exception of George Washington). Unfortunatly, he's dead now, so I say he was a Catholic.

John Kerry was a practicing Catholic at birth. Unfortunatly, he is no longer a practicing Catholic, because he has been excommunicated.

I know this is bound to generate some off-topic discussion, but since it is indeed off-topic for this thread, look for a thread called "Is John Kerry really Catholic?"

Or could it be that your stupid?

Or could it be that YOUR stupid?

That just shows that we have an increased number of people that have nothing better to do than exercise their partisan hatred for the conservative right. Its just like Vietnam with a higher population percentage. The protests were just fueled by angry liberals that hate Bush regardless of what he may do.
These protests occurred ALL OVER THE PLANET. There is a difference between THE PLANET and the united states. Most of THE PLANET doesn't get influenced by the liberals in the united states because they don't get any us based news. THE PLANET is not a part of the united states... Do you understand this now?

If those were the real reasons for going in, then why not the couple of dozen other murderous leaders with oppressive regimes worldwide? (they have no oil) By the way, in a recent poll of Iraqis, they claim to have had better living conditions with Saddam than they have now... IE: power, water and food without constant bombing and gunfire in the streets. A good number of the terrorists there are Iraqi citizens who want the occupying country (the us) and it's puppet government 'you' installed there out.

Well, Saddam was recognized worldwide as the greatest threat to other nations and he was in pursuit of nuclear weapons. Oil is just a smokescreen used by liberals who know that there case against Iraq is most strongly based on the fact that they hate conservatives and not the illegitimacy of the threat. As for this "poll", if you have a source I would love to see it because I've seen so many programs from many different sources that indicate the exact opposite (from a program on MTV, a very liberal source, to polls and interviews on Fox News, which I'm sure you won't accept). This poll is certainly very useful for anti-Bush liberals though I doubt its credible. As for claiming the citizens of Iraq are the terrorist that want the US out, which I hope you simply mistated, the terrorists there are Islamic fundamentalists that hate the US and what it stands for. Apparently, the "puppet government", which retains sovereignty in Iraq, is so hated by the people that its attempts to build the electoral system is most unwanted. Just a side note, didn't you see the story about the Iraqi Olympic team.

Or could it be that your stupid?

Or could it be that YOUR stupid?Or perhaps we should all play nicely with one another and stop flaming.

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These protests occurred ALL OVER THE PLANET. There is a difference between THE PLANET and the united states. Most of THE PLANET doesn't get influenced by the liberals in the united states because they don't get any us based news. THE PLANET is not a part of the united states... Do you understand this now?

Yes, I'm well aware of THE PLANET. As a matter of fact, my first response was aimed at the idea of THE PLANET up in protest. The protests occurred most strongly in the Middle East and Europe. The rest of the world did not feel nearly as strongly as these two regions. The Middle East, as I stated, because they know that their actions are the same as those that led to Iraqs invasion and Europe, again as I stated before, because the nations involved were in the pocket of Saddam Hussein through the overtly corrupt UN. Your response to my reply made me assume that I mistook your claim, but apparently I was right the first time and you won't address my arguements.

i wouldnt say depressed, i would say angry and mad enough to fight against it. violently.

Actually the forefathers founded it so that there wouldn't be any parties and that everyone would do what was right. Washington and Madison both warned against such "factions" forming from the get-go and they were both right. Now we have career politicians who think too much for their own well being and not enough for the nation's. Checks and balances was designed as a way of making sure that radical groups didn't take control, not a way of keeping parties out of power and thats why it doesn't work.

Well while the Republicans aren't radical parties. Still the fact that the have control over Both branches is still scary. Bush can now basically pass anything he likes through Congress and it will go through. So I'm predicting hes going to try to pass the gay admendment through again. While I do not agree with the gay lifestyle, it does infringe on personal freedom, and I am agaisn't that.

As for claiming the citizens of Iraq are the terrorist that want the US out, which I hope you simply mistated, the terrorists there are Islamic fundamentalists that hate the US and what it stands for. Apparently, the "puppet government", which retains sovereignty in Iraq, is so hated by the people that its attempts to build the electoral system is most unwanted. Just a side note, didn't you see the story about the Iraqi Olympic team.

I said a good number off them, not all, of course. The 'puppet government' is known by them to be the way the US will continue to control their country-- look at the chosen candidates and their US ties. (just because they are getting necessities such as electric online, doesn't mean that they are going to be 'all kind and helpful', and no i didn't see the story about the Iraqi olympic team.

Yes, I'm well aware of THE PLANET. As a matter of fact, my first response was aimed at the idea of THE PLANET up in protest. The protests occurred most strongly in the Middle East and Europe. The rest of the world did not feel nearly as strongly as these two regions. The Middle East, as I stated, because they know that their actions are the same as those that led to Iraqs invasion and Europe, again as I stated before, because the nations involved were in the pocket of Saddam Hussein through the overtly corrupt UN. Your response to my reply made me assume that I mistook your claim, but apparently I was right the first time and you won't address my arguements.

It's my understanding that the global protests occurred everywhere. Australia, Japan, even China. Sure there were places with more occurring, but just the fact that people everywhere (and I specifically remember seeing that they occurred everywhere, give or take -- thus their historic signifigance) were shouting in the streets is extremely telling.

Originally Posted by The Unnamable
If those were the real reasons for going in, then why not the couple of dozen other murderous leaders with oppressive regimes worldwide?


Your right. Why aren't we there, well were in Iraq. Why isn't Europe in these places? Their in... well their busy right. They care about the world. They just have to... water their lawns? Before you can start using that argument you should think about why your countries haven't stepped up and stomped out these evil regiems.

And as for the protesting planet. I find it interesting that the world would protest the US 'Invasion' of Iraq, but not the use of chemicle weapons on the Kurds, Or the slaughter in Rhwanda, or the constant civil war taking place in many african countries. Why not protest those?

I said a good number off them, not all, of course. The 'puppet government' is known by them to be the way the US will continue to control their country-- look at the chosen candidates and their US ties. (just because they are getting necessities such as electric online, doesn't mean that they are going to be 'all kind and helpful', and no i didn't see the story about the Iraqi olympic team.

Well, it's a very moving story. The Iraqi team was unable to participate under Saddam because they constantly faced death at the hands of his sons should they not perform at a level that they were required too. For the first time last Olympics, the Iraqis sent several teams and took back a few medals. The Iraqi soccer team made it to the semifinals, I believe, but lost. They were ecstatic just to be able to participate without fear of Saddam's wrath. It just acts as an example of how much better the people of Iraq have it now that Saddam no longer oppresses them with fear and death.

As for the Iraqi government, I will not argue that they have ties to the US. I believe that these ties are more than reasonable in the situatin that they face. The US cannot leave Iraq without knowing that they will be able to support themselves in the terrible situations they may face. They cannot let Iraq fall into disarray so they put in place a government of individuals that are qualified and capable of upholding the government until Iraqis can begin partaking in democracy on their own. The US can not allow the government to be controlled by unknown leaders until after they pull out and let Iraq function as a free, sovereign nation.

Damnit All to F****** Hell! I hate bush! I hope he gets shot by one those automatic guns he's making legal to carry! Y THE HELL DID KERRY CONCEDE?! He was down by two electoral votes, and could have won ohio, no one knows! He could have won!!!!!
someone has a few issues. just kidding, well i really could care less cause im too "young" to vote. DAMN that stupid have to be 18 rule.

I'm inclined to agree. Seasworth's comments are a little disconcerting. Somehow I would think that even anti-Bush liberals wouldn't want Dick Cheney to be the president. Saying you wish the president were killed is rather rash. As for the guns, he outlawed automatic rifles and promotes some gun control measures. Kerry couldn't have won Ohio and he wanted to go out with dignitiy and clout for his Senatorial term.

It just acts as an example of how much better the people of Iraq have it now that Saddam no longer oppresses them with fear and death.



That is a lousy thing for anyone, let alone atheletes to have to face. But a majority of the Iraqis have been without adequate power, water, food and medicine for over two years now. Have you ever gone without any of these against your will (ie: camping) for more than a week? That's not better in my estimation, being of a constant and pertinant nature that you can't forget about easily. Not that opression isn't pertinant or canstant, but it's easier to forget the threat of death if you're caught not doing what the gov't wants you to do then to forget the pain of your stomach digesting itself or the dark, bullet-riddled nights. (not to mention cholera and the like)

Y THE HELL DID KERRY CONCEDE?! He was down by two electoral votes, and could have won ohio, no one knows! He could have won!!!!!

That just shows that Kerry isn't a sore loser like how Gore was.
Kerry realizes that it is time for the country to heal. Remember, Bush not only won the White House, but the GOP also picked up seats in the Senate and House of Reps. Also, the GOP picked up a few more governorships.

The GOP expanded their lead in American politics with yesterdays elections. The WH, Senate, H of R, and Governors are all firmly controled by the GOP and the democrats may want to do some brainstorming before the next election if they hold any hope of preventing the GOP of encroaching upon trraditionally democratic areas like New Jersey, New York, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and New England. I do believe that the left coast will always be the LEFT coast though.

That is a lousy thing for anyone, let alone atheletes to have to face. But a majority of the Iraqis have been without adequate power, water, food and medicine for over two years now. Have you ever gone without any of these against your will (ie: camping) for more than a week? That's not better in my estimation, being of a constant and pertinant nature that you can't forget about easily. Not that opression isn't pertinant or canstant, but it's easier to forget the threat of death if you're caught not doing what the gov't wants you to do then to forget the pain of your stomach digesting itself or the dark, bullet-riddled nights. (not to mention cholera and the like)

I agree that it is a terrible situation that they face. However, their current situation is just temporary. Iraq is rebuilding at an incredible rate. Soon they will be able to act as a sovereign nation with their own defense forces. They can then rectify these issues with the help of their allies, those that helped free them. Iraq will rebuild and be a shining example of freedom and democracy in the Middle East. The Iraqis will be better off in the end with Saddam gone, few people would disagree.

That is a lousy thing for anyone, let alone atheletes to have to face. But a majority of the Iraqis have been without adequate power, water, food and medicine for over two years now. Have you ever gone without any of these against your will (ie: camping) for more than a week? That's not better in my estimation, being of a constant and pertinant nature that you can't forget about easily. Not that opression isn't pertinant or canstant, but it's easier to forget the threat of death if you're caught not doing what the gov't wants you to do then to forget the pain of your stomach digesting itself or the dark, bullet-riddled nights. (not to mention cholera and the like)

That's agreeable. One of the first things the US tried to do was set up power and water, and one of the first things the Sadaam Extremists and these "Iraqie" (from Iran, sudan afghanastan, ect) terrorists did was blow them up. So who's the bad guy?

A little depressed and disappointed, not so much because Bush won, but because a whole lot of authoritarian idiots over here are going to start babbling with glee about how this makes Bush a great president and all.

All I can say now is those poor 47-48% of Americans smart enough to try to get rid of him, you poor bastards- not only do you have four more years of the worst president since Reagan, but you have to put up with the rest of the world making the erroneous assumption that you voted from him. :(


Exactly.

To anyone who says Reagan was a bad president I say this: He handled the AIDS crisis in America, he effectively ended the Cold War (even if it did come during Bush Sr.'s term), and he set up the success of the Clinton economy. The man might not have done a lot great stuff, but he did enough that to bad mouth him like that is unacceptable.

Originally Posted by Morroko

A little depressed and disappointed, not so much because Bush won, but because a whole lot of authoritarian idiots over here are going to start babbling with glee about how this makes Bush a great president and all.

All I can say now is those poor 47-48% of Americans smart enough to try to get rid of him, you poor bastards- not only do you have four more years of the worst president since Reagan, but you have to put up with the rest of the world making the erroneous assumption that you voted from him.

I'm not going to start calling Bush a great president. He has done a good job in keeping America safe from terrorism. He has improved the economy after the drastic decline from 9/11. His social reform has been quite prevalent and, as a conservative, I agree with it. He has been a good president and has done his job. He is a strong leader and puts America above international interests. If the rest of the world is going to assume I voted for him than fine. I did. The rest of the world's opinions mean nothing to me. The rest of the world has no right to impose itself upon our electoral system. Their is a reason America is the greatest nation in the world. If thats a bad thing than tough. I'm glad to be an American and the rest of the world can just deal with it.

Actually, Bush is the worst president since Clinton. Clinton was terrible president who did nothing while poor Reagan's reforms made America a stronger economic power than ever before. Clinton did nothing but bring shame to the American political system.

America decided, and this is what happened:

Bush got more votes THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES. HE GOT 50% OF THE VOTES- CLINTON DIDN'T GET 50%.

Those who argued that Ohio could've been Kerry's must see that it was a bigger difference than the battleground states that Kerry won, such as Pennslyvania, Wisconsin, and New Hampshire.

Not only did Bush won, but now BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE HAS A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS. (House: 231 Red, 200 Blue, 1 Independent; Senate: 55 Red, 44 Blue, 1 Independent).

The Exit Polls were incredibly false as well, they should get rid of them.

Not only did Bush get the Electoral votes, but the popular vote as well.

BUSH WIN IS GOOD BECAUSE THE STOCKS ALL OVER THE WORLD WENT UP A LOT.

[B]Originally Posted by Morroko

I'm not going to start calling Bush a great president. He has done a good job in keeping America safe from terrorism.

“There’s not a single bear in sight—the ‘Bear Patrol’ is working like a charm”.
“That’s specious reasoning,” Lisa retorts.
“Thanks, honey,” Homer says to her, adoringly.
“According to your logic,” she says, picking up a stone from their lawn, “this rock keeps tigers away”.
“Hmmm. How does it work?”
“It doesn’t.”
“How so?” Homer asks further.
“It’s just a rock,” she says. “But I don’t see a tiger, anywhere.”
“Lisa,” concludes Homer, while pulling out his wallet, “I want to buy your rock.”

America decided, and this is what happened:

Bush got more votes THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES. HE GOT 50% OF THE VOTES- CLINTON DIDN'T GET 50%.

Those who argued that Ohio could've been Kerry's must see that it was a bigger difference than the battleground states that Kerry won, such as Pennslyvania, Wisconsin, and New Hampshire.

Not only did Bush won, but now BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE HAS A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS. (House: 231 Red, 200 Blue, 1 Independent; Senate: 55 Red, 44 Blue, 1 Independent).

The Exit Polls were incredibly false as well, they should get rid of them.

Not only did Bush get the Electoral votes, but the popular vote as well.

BUSH WIN IS GOOD BECAUSE THE STOCKS ALL OVER THE WORLD WENT UP A LOT.

That's a wonderful recap. The GOP came away from the election with an incredible boost to their power. The Democrats are losing positions as time goes on, many say they are out of touch with voters. The stocks went up strongly because Bush is viewed as the presidential choice most likely to allow free trade to continue unabated and without costly reform to many industries. Bush's record high number of popular votes is of course slightly biased seeing as their was not only a record high number of voters, but the population has gone up drastically since other landslide elections. His percentage of the popular was the highest since his father.

America decided, and this is what happened:

Bush got more votes THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES.

Wrong Wrong Wrong WRONG. Franklin D. Roosevelt has recieved 60.8% of the vote in his second election. Sorry.

“There’s not a single bear in sight—the ‘Bear Patrol’ is working like a charm”.
“That’s specious reasoning,” Lisa retorts.
“Thanks, honey,” Homer says to her, adoringly.
“According to your logic,” she says, picking up a stone from their lawn, “this rock keeps tigers away”.
“Hmmm. How does it work?”
“It doesn’t.”
“How so?” Homer asks further.
“It’s just a rock,” she says. “But I don’t see a tiger, anywhere.”
“Lisa,” concludes Homer, while pulling out his wallet, “I want to buy your rock.”

Well done. That is perhaps the best use of a Simpson's quote in a political discussion that I have ever come by, kudos.

It's true that the reasoning is specious, however, the intelligence gathered throughout his presidency and some scattered incidents of disrupted attacks and planning cells show that the steps taken to prevent another attack have been effective. To say that this may not have happened before Bush's presidency is of course ungrounded. I cannot say what may happened, only what has, or hasn't. More importantly, an attack on the country would immediateky be viewed as a failure by the presidency to keep America safe, so I'm not so belligerent as to refuse to give credit where credit is certainly due.

Wrong Wrong Wrong WRONG. Franklin D. Roosevelt has recieved 60.8% of the vote in his second election. Sorry.

You may not have seen my response to the same post before you responded, but that quote is meant in terms of raw vote and not percentage of popular vote.

dude........I'm the most anti-bush person ever, but if you lok at it in one way, if anything terrible happens we can blame it on the people in office, of whom like 90% are republican :headbang:

Wow. Such hatred. Such sour grapes. Here's an incredibly novel idea: move. Just move. This isn't Cuba, no one is forcing you to stay here. You can leave the party anytime you like. You can move to France where your "hate America" mentality will be better received and more appreciated. Or you can move to any one of the fine countries in the middle east that sponsor terrorists, since we're just paranoid zombies over here spreading fear. I mean, really, they are TOTALLY innocent here. 9/11 was just a fabrication of Bush Corp. to start a war with Iraq for no good reason. Heck, I guess it doesn't really matter where you go. Just move. Obviously your socialist/leftist/communist views are in the minority. I certainly wouldn't want to live in a place that I hated. I doubt any of you will though, seeing as how even with our faults, this is the BEST nation on earth. And in your heart you know that. Stop whining. And stop being petty and correcting people's grammer. It only shows that you aren't focused on the real issues.

Fuck you. This is my country too, and I'm sick of seeing it hijacked by special interests and neo-cons. I didn't have a fair say, and I never will if these bastards can help it.

dude........I'm the most anti-bush person ever, but if you lok at it in one way, if anything terrible happens we can blame it on the people in office, of whom like 90% are republican :headbang:

A good friend of mine pointed this out to me: if Bush had gotten voted out of power, perhaps we would have put the Revolution off a couple more years. Maybe Bush's green light to fuck over the working man will destroy him sooner than he thinks.

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Originally Posted by Dariel
[B]Originally Posted by Morroko

I'm not going to start calling Bush a great president. He has done a good job in keeping America safe from terrorism.
“There’s not a single bear in sight...“I want to buy your rock.”

Dariel
You scare me. You seem intelligent enough to understand the things going on around you and yet you dont. I suspect you should do some reading of your own instead of simply agreeing with the opinions that are fed to you. I suspose from the outcome of the election you must be similar to about half of the american population.
You should care about the rest of the world. Perhaps you could visit some time.
If you are believe in history as an indicator of behaviour you might want to look into the history of the Bush family , ie Bush Sr. and where he is now. Grandpa Smurf and his lovely banking work for the 3rd Riech.

A few notes:

I'm Canadian and I hate it. How could America elect Bush. Honestly, did you read his platform?! It's BS, all of it. Tsk, so sad; then again, we elected the f*cking Liberal Party.

I know the Liberals lean more conservatively than maybe they should, but they were still the FAR better choice than Stephen Harper's Conservatives (who were more "Reform" than "Conservative"). The rightist, very pro-Bush Harper would have changed Canada so drastically that no one would recognize it anymore.

Yeah, baby! My view exactly! By the way, it's going to be Hillary against Arnold in '08. The laws are already being adjusted.

(not a flame)

Man, as if being California governor wasn't strange enough...imagine what it would be like if Arnold Schwarzenegger was President of the U.S. There would be people joking that the end of the world was certainly coming, with the Americans turning to some "actor" as opposed to a politician. Mind you, having said that, Ronald Reagen was a two-term President and is considered one of the greatest Presidents in U.S. history and he was also an accomplished actor, plus Schwarzenegger actually sounds like a guy who has a vision and wants to get things done, unlike many other politicians, so it may not be such a bad thing.

Also, as an aside: 18 of the 42 people who became U.S. Presidents served more than a term (including George W. Bush), a rate of 43%. So it doesn't surprise me that much that Bush got re-elected, seeing how a good portion of Presidents do anyway.

[QUOTE=Dariel]I cannot say what may happened, only what has, or hasn't./QUOTE]

And even that is subject to the influences on whom you listen and believe... (and their rhetoric, propaganda and disinformation machines) The only REAL way one can truley and accurately say what happened is to have experienced the events in question themselves... and even THEN one's view is tainted by location in proximity to the event and already formed/ heald belifs augmented by the inefficiencies of human perception. So...

Wow, how incredibly untrue this is. The US has never sponsored terrorism in any form. True, the US has aided rebel insurgents, see Nicaragua, and have trained and armed militias to help in removing a dictator or opposing government. It is true that the US trained Osama bin Laden and helped remove the dictator from Nicaragua (whose name escapes me at present, any help?). However, sponsoring terrorism is completely different. Osama bin Laden turned against the US and took up terrorist actions. Guerilla warfare, which is most likely what you are describing, is completely different from the wanton destruction of innocents in order to achieve some political or social purpose.


These "armed insurgents" that the U.S. funded in Nicaragua (the Contras), had in fact, been offically declared TERRORISTS by the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF STATE at the recommendation of the U.S. Congress in 1982.

The Contras were fighting in support of the former DICTATOR of Nicargua, who's regime was harshly repressive. The Sandinsta's were in fact, greated as liberators and greatly improved the living conditions in Nicaragua, including instituting democratic elections in 1984, during which six different political parties ran and the Sandinistas won the majority of the seats. Regan claimed the elections were fradulant although the U.S. had sent no observers and the international agencies which had sent observers found the elections completely valid.

In 1983 Congress forbid funding of the Contras, citing that the Contras uses terror tactics such as the wholesale rape, torture, and slaughter(including burning, blinding, beheading, and dismemberment) of non-combatants, including women and children. The U.S. funding of this terrorist group continued covertly anyway- see Iran-Contra Scandal. There are also allegations that the CIA and other parts of the U.S. government participated in drug trafficking to fund this terrorist group. This funding of a group officially deemed a terrorist organization by the U.S. government in 1982 continued until 1986.

Ronald Reagen ... is considered one of the greatest Presidents in U.S. history and he was also an accomplished actor.

These both depend on who you talk to... ie: 'trickle down economics/Bedtime for Bonzo'...?!

These "armed insurgents" that the U.S. funded in Nicaragua (the Contras), had in fact, been offically declared TERRORISTS by the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF STATE at the recommendation of the U.S. Congress in 1982.

The Contras were fighting in support of the former DICTATOR of Nicargua, who's regime was harshly repressive. The Sandinsta's were in fact, greated as liberators and greatly improved the living conditions in Nicaragua, including instituting democratic elections in 1984, during which six different political parties ran and the Sandinistas won the majority of the seats. Regan claimed the elections were fradulant although the U.S. had sent no observers and the international agencies which had sent observers found the elections completely valid.

In 1983 Congress forbid funding of the Contras, citing that the Contras uses terror tactics such as the wholesale rape, torture, and slaughter(including burning, blinding, beheading, and dismemberment) of non-combatants, including women and children. The U.S. funding of this terrorist group continued covertly anyway- see Iran-Contra Scandal. There are also allegations that the CIA and other parts of the U.S. government participated in drug trafficking to fund this terrorist group. This funding of a group officially deemed a terrorist organization by the U.S. government in 1982 continued until 1986.

THANK YOU V and K!!! Amazing how facts can be distorted and forgotten over time, no? And Nicaragua is only one of MANY examples. Remember: it's only terrorism if someone else is doing it. The US imposed UN sanctions (they strong-armed the UN into placing them) against Iraq killed over 1,000,000 children let alone adults over a ten year period. If that's not terrorism, what is?

You know, something like 20% of the people who voted for Bush said that we found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
That scares the shit out of me.

Damnit!

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Damnit All to F****** Hell! I hate bush! I hope he gets shot by one those automatic guns he's making legal to carry! Y THE HELL DID KERRY CONCEDE?! He was down by two electoral votes, and could have won ohio, no one knows! He could have won!!!!!

you poor, poor democrats :(

i'm sorry, that was meant to be quoted, sorry peoples

I'm indifferent. I don't like Bush Jr. (I think Bush Sr. was a good president despite some shortcomings) and I voted for Kerry because I wanted the Neo-cons out of the White House.

Being an optimist I still see some hope... Brent Scowcroft, George H.W. Bush Sr's White House national security adviser has been heavily criticising the Neo-cons (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3743446.stm), and the Classical Conservatives seem to be on a little resurgence.

If Bush Jr. breaks with the Neo-cons in his second term I'll be very happy, it will be much better than a Kerry victory, I'll farking dance in the streets. It however seems to be a long shot though.

I suspect you should do some reading of your own instead of simply agreeing with the opinions that are fed to you. I suspose from the outcome of the election you must be similar to about half of the american population.

But, wouldn't reading be considered taking the opinions of the people you read, IE:feeding on them? The real trick here is to read from ALL sides of a topic and learn to collate the data into an origionally cognated idea of your own. Read between the lines, connect the dots and a light bulb goes on over your head... This takes so much time (events must be traced over months and years of precursors and repercussions) most people have'n't the ability to do so efficiently. Plus, wading through all the dis- and mis- information can be overwhelming in and of itself. Too much information = a VERY slippery truth to catch and pin to a board.

You know, something like 20% of the people who voted for Bush said that we found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
That scares the shit out of me.

and i'm sure that an even larger percent still belive Hussien had direct ties to the 9-11 incident. Gullibility seems to be an american given (Bush-worshippers and Moore-worshippers alike)

A good friend of mine pointed this out to me: if Bush had gotten voted out of power, perhaps we would have put the Revolution off a couple more years. Maybe Bush's green light to fuck over the working man will destroy him sooner than he thinks.

Yes, yes, yes! You're not only in the same camp as me, I think we're sharing a tent! Want a S'more?

To those who want to move out of the country because Bush won: Go ahead. Move to a socialist country such as Canada or France. I'm sure that you will be able to make a better life there. Quite frankly, you desgust me.

Another thing that makes me sick, is posters that are not American trying to tell Americans how to vote. I don't try to tell you how to vote for you leaders.

I agree that it is a terrible situation that they face. However, their current situation is just temporary. Iraq is rebuilding at an incredible rate. Soon they will be able to act as a sovereign nation with their own defense forces. They can then rectify these issues with the help of their allies, those that helped free them. Iraq will rebuild and be a shining example of freedom and democracy in the Middle East. The Iraqis will be better off in the end with Saddam gone, few people would disagree.

I certainly hope you're right. An interesing side note along these lines: a couple of months ago, in an effort to boost future tourism in the area (far future, I'm sure) the US army and pentagon put money into turning a cemetary in Iraq into a tourist sight. It's the one used in the beginning of the origional Exorcist movie with the demonic statue in it. I think we can all agree that no matter if it's (the whole Iraq thing) good or bad, it's DEFINATELY kinda surreal.

I don't try to tell you how to vote for you leaders.

And how many current world leaders can you name, let alone state their stance's on their national issues? If anything, this proves that many non americans are quite educated in world events. Let alone, what other countries pose a serious threat to the rest of the planet's stability like the US. Not regional, mind you; so don't go naming off the current list of pi**-ant 'baddies'... I'm talking GLOBAL.

We all hope Dariel is right. :)

And somehow I think Bush would do a better job vs. Iraqi insurgents compared to Kerry. Right wing cowboys tend to get the job done during warring times, or thats the tendency.

The thing about Kerry, is that if had gotten elected, we might have more multilateral help from other nations especially the UN (IF).And thats what most ppl are complaining about. That Bush going Solo (or more solo) than other nations.

But IMO, Kerry or Bush, Germany, France and other EU nations wouldn't give a two hoot about sending military in to help us in Iraq. So if Kerry gets elected. It'll all still be the same.

These both depend on who you talk to... ie: 'trickle down economics/Bedtime for Bonzo'...?!

True, though a President who won two straight landslide elections and appeared in 55 films does have to count for something. Although Arnold Schwarzenegger has a similar film career and most critics didn't think too highly of him, so...

Well...I have to ask. What's wrong with Canada? It's one of the best coutries in the world to live in and is safer and has medicare. On the topic of Bush however, I am thouroughly dissapointed that he won. For goodness sakes he didn't even know the Prime Minister of Canada's name! Do you know how many millions of dollars of trade Canada and the USA do each year? Alot! It's simply ridiculous.

go nader! if only he had more support, the world would be a much better place ;)

jk

I live in Australia, bush winning your election was just as bad as howard winning mine, although somewhat more important because now we know who is really going to be running Australia four the next four years.

go nader! if only he had more support, the world would be a much better place ;)

jk

Are you aware that Nader accepted LARGE contributions from the Republican party for this campaign? What does that say about both of them?

True, though a President who won two straight landslide elections and appeared in 55 films does have to count for something. Although Arnold Schwarzenegger has a similar film career and most critics didn't think too highly of him, so...

I must admit, even though I'm convinced he did MANY horrible things to the poor and working class of this country and the world, doggonnit, there was something quite likable about him. That smile, for instance. He just seemed like such a nice fella, you know? But actions do speak louder than smiles. Regarding Arnold--- he is the perfect embodiment of the American dream. Think about it: He came to this country the son of a poor farming family, and became one of the highest paid and powerful men in Hollywood, married into one of THE most powerful families in this country, became a governor and is now on the Republican short-list for presidency of the most powerful nation in history. WOW! NOONE can argue against that as being a series of AMAZING accomplishments. You gotta hand THAT to him...

Bad,
We'll all realize we were wrong when were drafted or when were 65 and getting jack shit from the government.


Well, social security is going to be screwed by the time we are 65 regardless of who is president. That's just a well-known fact. So get a 401k plan.

As far as the draft is concerned, the only group to try and reinstate it so far is the Democratic Party, who did it as a political maneuver. Basically, they didn't care if you got unwillingly sent to war as long as they got elected. Be gald Bush won. Bush has repeatedly stated he would not reinstate the draft, so that's a moot point.

Are you aware that Nader accepted LARGE contributions from the Republican party for this campaign? What does that say about both of them?
It says that the Green Party generally pulls votes from the Dems. Duh.

Do you know how many millions of dollars of trade Canada and the USA do each year? Alot!
Well spoken....
:rolleyes:

Well, social security is going to be screwed by the time we are 65 regardless of who is president. That's just a well-known fact.

We're getting WAY off-topic, but as an aside to this... When social security was first established, the average life expectancy in this country was somewhere in the sixties. Thus, those who conceived it, thought that no one would draw on it for more than ten years at the very most. In fact, most seniors now deplete the amount they have put into it over their decades of work in under five years after they begin to draw upon it. It was all just bad planning. What was meant to be a band-aid has become a tourniquet. ...or something like that.

It says that the Green Party generally pulls votes from the Dems. Duh.

I was alluding to the fact that Nader is corruptable too, and that the Republicans are devious bastards... But anyone who would use the word, "Duh" is obviously incapable of gleening such subtleties from a statement... DUH! :)

Bush winning is good. The Dow should stay well above 10000 for some time. Also now that the Republicans have control of both houses by even more they can push through even more tax cuts and help for business. the possibility of more free trade with Asia pacific countries will also be a plus. Also when a man such as Souras put foward 10's of millions for kerry you must ask questions of why, he caused the asian economic crisis of 97 by manipulating with the markets.

GWBush's win is as good as JFKerry's loss and R*Nader's loss (I don't know his middle initial).

If JFKerry won, it would have been as good as GWBush's loss.

The point is: The American people spoke. Lots of people in other countries have no say in who runs their country. Some of them would literally KILL for the chance to "turn the pages over" and "write what we want to write". They would love to "have the power to be powerful".

You're the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear

You had three top-quality candidates to choose from. The people decided which one they liked the best. What could possibly be "bad" about that???!!

I live in Australia, bush winning your election was just as bad as howard winning mine, although somewhat more important because now we know who is really going to be running Australia four the next four years.

For frig's sake. Howard won your election. The people voted him in. That's democracy. Stop whinging.

For frig's sake. Howard won your election. The people voted him in. That's democracy. Stop whinging.

Regarding your extremist opinion, this must be "For pigs sake".

The point is: The American people spoke. Lots of people in other countries have no say in who runs their country. Some of them would literally KILL for the chance to "turn the pages over" and "write what we want to write". They would love to "have the power to be powerful".

Not only that... I believe that more people voted this time around then in a LONG time... not to mention all the new voters (another record). It may not appear so on the surface, but in a way this united more Americans than anything else in quite awhile. In other words, the count was split, but the fact that so many people were actually moved to get up off of their collective fat, apathetic, media-hypnotized arses and vote is just pheNOMinal!

Also when a man such as Souras put foward 10's of millions for kerry you must ask questions of why, he caused the asian economic crisis of 97 by manipulating with the markets.

THAT is quite interesting... I missed that one. Definately makes one go, "HMMM..." But on the other hand, what's so good about the DOW being up and businesses being helped if the deficit and the 'people' (ie: not rich ones) are screwed into the ground? Free trade is not about government sponsored corporate bail-outs. It's Besides, is it fair that corporate welfare exists while so many are screaming about how unfair it is that the poor get welfare? Bush, et al are for helping the rich and screwing the poor. The facts speak for themselves. Look it up...

Bad,
We'll all realize we were wrong when were drafted or when were 65 and getting jack shit from the government.

Some of us might use the opportunity of not having the government take half of our pay to make some worthwhile investments and not need the government hand outs.

I feel downright betrayed. To the point, I'm researching how to give up citizenship to this Goddess- forsaken country. USA no longer stands for freedom, security and EQUAL RIGHTS. Now it stands for the government telling women what we can do with our bodies, the rich getting richer at the expense of the environment, and politicians screwing anyone not white and rich.

...

Dear George W Bush Supporters,

Thank You For Being So Naive To Think That 4 More Years Of Bush Will Make This Country Better. George Bush Proved In All 3 Debates That He Was A Complete Dumbass. The Reason He Was Reelected Is Because Religious Zealots Like Yourself Actually Believed His Lies And Deceits. Even After It Was Made Public That He Lied And Mislead Us, You Turned Your Head, But Held Onto Your Faith Is George W, Because He Is A Man Who Is "right With The Lord". I Hope You Clutch Onto Your Bible And Your George W. Button Tightly When We Are Being Attacked. I Hope Your "house Of God" Has A Bomb Shelter And They Have Room For All You Freaks, Because Bush Is Doing Nothing To Make Us Any Safer. He Is Doing The Opposite. He Is Pissing Off Every Terrorist And Doing Nothing To Stop Them. War On Terror My Ass. The Only Reason He Was Ever Elected In The First Place Was Because Of His Last Name. Do You Really Think For One Second If His Father Was Not Who He Was, He Would Have Ever Made It To The White House? No! In Closing I Would Like To Thank You For Helping To Screw This Country Over Royally By Casting Your Vote For Bush Last Night. The Next Time We Are Attacked, Or The Next Time A Us Soilder Dies In Iraq, I Hope You Realize That You Helped That Happen. By Voting For Bush You Are Partly Responsible For Thier Deaths. Hope You Sleep Well At Night.

Sincerly,
Chris

I must admit, even though I'm convinced he did MANY horrible things to the poor and working class of this country and the world, doggonnit, there was something quite likable about him. That smile, for instance. He just seemed like such a nice fella, you know? But actions do speak louder than smiles. Regarding Arnold--- he is the perfect embodiment of the American dream. Think about it: He came to this country the son of a poor farming family, and became one of the highest paid and powerful men in Hollywood, married into one of THE most powerful families in this country, became a governor and is now on the Republican short-list for presidency of the most powerful nation in history. WOW! NOONE can argue against that as being a series of AMAZING accomplishments. You gotta hand THAT to him...

Well, Reagen's Presidency came a bit before my time (his rule came from when I was born to when I was nine) and the fact that I've been Canadian my whole life, so I'll admit a lack of knowledge on my part. I have heard about Reagen's misdeeds as President, though not nearly on the same level as George W. Bush's.

As for Arnold Schwarzenegger- I've heard that about him too, and I'll agree it makes for the perfect American dream story. Plus I like his willingness to do things- I've rarely seen any politician as firey and as visionary as he is, so I think he'd make a great ruler- something the rest of the world will realize once they get past all the snickering about the U.S. having "Ahnold" as President.

Dear George W Bush Supporters,

Thank You For Being So Naive To Think That 4 More Years Of Bush Will Make This Country Better. George Bush Proved In All 3 Debates That He Was A Complete Dumbass. The Reason He Was Reelected Is Because Religious Zealots Like Yourself Actually Believed His Lies And Deceits. Even After It Was Made Public That He Lied And Mislead Us, You Turned Your Head, But Held Onto Your Faith Is George W, Because He Is A Man Who Is "right With The Lord". I Hope You Clutch Onto Your Bible And Your George W. Button Tightly When We Are Being Attacked. I Hope Your "house Of God" Has A Bomb Shelter And They Have Room For All You Freaks, Because Bush Is Doing Nothing To Make Us Any Safer. He Is Doing The Opposite. He Is Pissing Off Every Terrorist And Doing Nothing To Stop Them. War On Terror My Ass. The Only Reason He Was Ever Elected In The First Place Was Because Of His Last Name. Do You Really Think For One Second If His Father Was Not Who He Was, He Would Have Ever Made It To The White House? No! In Closing I Would Like To Thank You For Helping To Screw This Country Over Royally By Casting Your Vote For Bush Last Night. The Next Time We Are Attacked, Or The Next Time A Us Soilder Dies In Iraq, I Hope You Realize That You Helped That Happen. By Voting For Bush You Are Partly Responsible For Thier Deaths. Hope You Sleep Well At Night.

Sincerly,
Chris


You do realize that you only capitalize proper nouns and the beginning of a sentance right?

I voted for Bush and I'm an Athiest.

What to expect in Bush Jr.’s second term of office? The continued focus on the corporate pillaging of the Middle East by any means necessary for one. Unless the US constitution gets rewritten and it just might get that as well, the Bush puppet masters will know they can pretty much do anything this term, because someone else can then be brought in with clean hands. With the US military stretched to the breaking point, yes this means in all likelihood there will be a Draft sometime in 2005, announced as a means to fight terror and keep the homeland safe, etc. Expect them to get their hooks further into Arny before the Governator’s way is made clear by amending the Constitution.

Someone else is going to get invaded this term by US troops. It’s just the way of the beast after all. Whether or not it’s knocking over another democratically elected government from Central or South America (like the US backed Haiti gunmen) or continuing to cut a swathe through the Middle East: either Syria or Iran. It’s not like the fear of overextending their forces has ever stopped them from moving on before securing their conquests or Afghanistan would have been properly taken care of before rushing to make a mess out of Iraq.

Expect the US economy to continue its drop into darkness, unless you either manufacture arms or work in the oil industry. If you’re really rich this will be a golden time to be in the US, but otherwise unless you like getting exercise and sun in the desert you’re probably not going to have a good time of it.

How does the ultra right manage to always to con the religious vote in every election, both in the US and elsewhere in the World? They focus on morals on the cheap. Banning Abortion means that governments don’t have to pay for the procedure, putting everything on the patient. Banning Gay Marriage means not having to pay out same-sex union benefits. Charity, now that New Testament morality is a bit on the expensive side so you’d best get used to Old Testament policies that don’t cost anything and give the illusion of morality among the immoral. After all what is more moral than the politics of hatred and exlusion.

The Bruce

What to expect in Bush Jr.’s second term of office?

To begin with, regarding your entire statement... Hell, yes! Every single letter and punctuation. (Ahnold will be perfect because he's right wing, but also appeals to the left). As for your above quoted preamble: One of the few certainties of political life is that second-term presidents, constitutionally barred from running again, see their political capital quickly dwindle. Of the seven presidents elected to second terms in the 20th century, none registered historic successes. One had to resign under fire. Another was impeached. Perhaps this time one of the latter? Or what about assassination? T'd be the perfect opportunity for Uncle Dick, no? Is the right far enough 'out there' to consider 'retiring' W.? Could be staged as another terrorist attack? What a sweeping 'spin-coup' that'd be...

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Originally Posted by Dariel
[B]Originally Posted by Morroko

I'm not going to start calling Bush a great president. He has done a good job in keeping America safe from terrorism.
“There’s not a single bear in sight...“I want to buy your rock.”

Dariel
You scare me. You seem intelligent enough to understand the things going on around you and yet you dont. I suspect you should do some reading of your own instead of simply agreeing with the opinions that are fed to you. I suspose from the outcome of the election you must be similar to about half of the american population.
You should care about the rest of the world. Perhaps you could visit some time.
If you are believe in history as an indicator of behaviour you might want to look into the history of the Bush family , ie Bush Sr. and where he is now. Grandpa Smurf and his lovely banking work for the 3rd Riech.

You are correct in one respect. I am quite aware of what is going on around, and I am definitely intelligent enough to recognize what opinions are out and there and have developed mine entirely on my own. I also am intelligent enough to know that the rest of the world is important, however, I don't care what they think about my participation in my electoral system. If the rest of the world has nothing better to do than sit around and judge Americans for how they voted than it shows how insignificant they really are. And people question whether or not America is the greatest country in the world? If the rest of the world spends that much time thinking about the US then we are unquestionably more important.

As for what you seem to view as complacency... I try to be fair in my criticism, I abhor rudeness, and I try to be open to outside ideas. I apologize if I'm my openmindedness offends your ludicrous ideas of the world at large. As to your view of history, either I'm not familiar with wath you are implying, or more likely, you aren't making any sense. George H. W. Bush is not a banker, he is not a Smurf, and the Third Reich ended long ago. This implication is irrelevant. I try to argue using fact and logic more than obscure analogies and emotive conjecture. I'm sorry if this disturbs you, but I recognize all too often that people who don't understand my methods are often critical of them because its too hard to think about it.

If the rest of the world has nothing better to do than sit around and judge Americans for how they voted than it shows how insignificant they really are.

Realize also, the opposite is just as possible: That the rest of the world could consider this as being so globally important, that at this time they see little else to be concerned with. Which would, conversely, show how incredibly significant (infamously so) this issue is globally and historically. Honestly which seems more probable? That the US is right and the rest of the world is wrong...? Remeber the rest of the world isn't one thing like the US... It's hundreds and hundreds.

Dear George W Bush Supporters,

Thank You For Being So Naive To Think That 4 More Years Of Bush Will Make This Country Better. George Bush Proved In All 3 Debates That He Was A Complete Dumbass. The Reason He Was Reelected Is Because Religious Zealots Like Yourself Actually Believed His Lies And Deceits. Even After It Was Made Public That He Lied And Mislead Us, You Turned Your Head, But Held Onto Your Faith Is George W, Because He Is A Man Who Is "right With The Lord". I Hope You Clutch Onto Your Bible And Your George W. Button Tightly When We Are Being Attacked. I Hope Your "house Of God" Has A Bomb Shelter And They Have Room For All You Freaks, Because Bush Is Doing Nothing To Make Us Any Safer. He Is Doing The Opposite. He Is Pissing Off Every Terrorist And Doing Nothing To Stop Them. War On Terror My Ass. The Only Reason He Was Ever Elected In The First Place Was Because Of His Last Name. Do You Really Think For One Second If His Father Was Not Who He Was, He Would Have Ever Made It To The White House? No! In Closing I Would Like To Thank You For Helping To Screw This Country Over Royally By Casting Your Vote For Bush Last Night. The Next Time We Are Attacked, Or The Next Time A Us Soilder Dies In Iraq, I Hope You Realize That You Helped That Happen. By Voting For Bush You Are Partly Responsible For Thier Deaths. Hope You Sleep Well At Night.

Sincerly,
Chris

Wow, calling Bush supporters religious zealots... that's real conclusive. I voted for Bush and I've never been to church in my life. I don't belong to any church, nor do I use a Bible. I voted for Bush because he's a strong leader than follows his moral values, religious as they may be, and is not afraid to stand for what he believes in. Bush never lied to the American people; he was given false intelligence. He saw the very same intelligence report that John Kerry and the rest of the Senate saw. He reported to America based on the intelligence that he believed to be true. That is hardly a lie; he did mislead the people. Unintentionally as it may be, his actions were based on a supposition that turned out to be false, for that there is no arguement. However, he followed through with his actions and refused to back down and leave Iraq in shamble after the invasion was already under way. You claim that Bush is doing nothing to stop terrorists... most people seem to be of the opinion that he is doing too much. Attacking his poor public speaking is fine. He can't speak well. Okay, I'll admit to that. Clinton was an adulterer, Gore was boring as hell, Kerry was (pardon the term) a "flip-flopper". No president is perfect. As for the next four years, we'll see what happens. I think liberals just have a flair for the dramatic and want people to panic. I know I haven't faced catastophic changes since he took office. Maybe it's different for the rest of you, I don't know.

Wow, calling Bush supporters religious zealots... that's real conclusive. I voted for Bush and I've never been to church in my life.

Realize that some people (IE the person that your above quote is a response to) have emotivly based issued that they try and rationalize through paranoid, all-inclusive statements.

It frickin' sucks that bush won. i don't think it's even sunk in for me yet. Just think, 4 more years of job loss and war and loss of life. Also, i'll turn 18 during the next 4 years...so if the draft did happen to return, that would a big problem too.

This is the reason that there are so many liberals on these boards, they are immature. More and more often I see young liberals trying to argue with conservatives which happen to be older. Sure there are some older liberals here, but the majority are uninformed teenagers.

BTW, this is not an attack on you, just an observation. Don't take it personally. You could always bio-rifle me
( :gundge: ) in protest. :D