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Now that the American people have chosen, electorally and popularly, George W. Bush for our next president, do you feel any different. I certainly saw many very confident Kerry supporters who promised and predicted a Kerry win. So, after all the speculation about swing states, supreme court decisions, and fraud, and how the election decisively went to the Republicans, from State-levels on up to the president, do you feel any different? I think this is great for America, and demonstrates that the American people have made a large culture shift re-allignment, leaving the policies and tendencies of liberalism passed down through many generations and moving to a more conservative government. The United States now stands as a Bastion of conservatism in an increasingly more liberal world, and I think that is great. Everybody ready for Hillary v. Rudy in '08?

I am really amazed at the amount of hatred for John Kerry displayed by the left right now. It is amazing. If you hate the guy so much, why have you stood behind him since the spring?

I am really amazed at the amount of hatred for John Kerry displayed by the left right now. It is amazing. If you hate the guy so much, why have you stood behind him since the spring?

I'm so happy but I think some manky tool is after spiking my tea.

I am really amazed at the amount of hatred for John Kerry displayed by the left right now. It is amazing. If you hate the guy so much, why have you stood behind him since the spring?

And the Right now says he is a decent guy for concession. After all the dogging they did.

What's your point?

Mostly, I feel relieved that the damned thing is OVER! Whew!

I don't feel any different . . . maybe apathetic, but w/e

They don't really hate him, they are just angry that they are stuck with Bush for another four years and they need someone to take it out on.

I think they are mad because they feel that he gave up too easily. I'm personally working on 2008.

at least kerry took his loss as a man and did not whine about it like gore did

I don't know what I'm feeling. This is the first time I've really been old enough to vote, so it's the first time I've really cared about this kind of stuff. Personally, I'm not a fan of conservatism because of how restricting it seems, but that seems to be the path we've fallen into.

I'm filled with a feeling of "now what?" since Bush doesn't have a re-election to worry about. With all this talk of taking rights away from gays and women, it truly scares me to think of where the line will be drawn. However, it's only four more years and, after much research, I've discovered it's actually kinda difficult to get into Canada.

How do I feel though? I feel like Kerry was right in the end. He said we need to heal and get over ourselves, and that wouldn't be a bad idea. Just look at all the flaming going on today. Someone actually called me an asshole just because I said I was afraid of further PATRIOT acts. Just a small example, though I'm sure none are needed.

I think they are mad because they feel that he gave up too easily. I'm personally working on 2008.

Me too. Who you pushing for next time? I'm thinking I would love a Guiliani/Powell ticket. ;)

I think they are mad because they feel that he gave up too easily. I'm personally working on 2008.
yeah, are they even done counting provisional votes yet?

I don't feel any different . . . maybe apathetic, but w/e
w/e? Well Endowed?

I just reckon the Americans have got the president they deserve.

My prediction is that during his term or shortly afterwards he will turn out to have Parkinsons Disease or something similar.

I don't know what I'm feeling. This is the first time I've really been old enough to vote, so it's the first time I've really cared about this kind of stuff. Personally, I'm not a fan of conservatism because of how restricting it seems, but that seems to be the path we've fallen into.

I'm filled with a feeling of "now what?" since Bush doesn't have a re-election to worry about. With all this talk of taking rights away from gays and women, it truly scares me to think of where the line will be drawn. However, it's only four more years and, after much research, I've discovered it's actually kinda difficult to get into Canada.

How do I feel though? I feel like Kerry was right in the end. He said we need to heal and get over ourselves, and that wouldn't be a bad idea. Just look at all the flaming going on today. Someone actually called me an asshole just because I said I was afraid of further PATRIOT acts. Just a small example, though I'm sure none are needed.

LOL! From what I've seen, you certainly don't qualify as an "asshole!" Heh!

But I do have an honest question about something you said, not wanting any sort of involved or heated discussion to start, BTW. I really would like to know who is talking about "taking rights away from gays and women," and what rights are they talking about taking away? This comes as a complete surprise to me. ( puzzled look )

Now that the American people have chosen, electorally and popularly, George W. Bush for our next president, do you feel any different. I certainly saw many very confident Kerry supporters who promised and predicted a Kerry win. So, after all the speculation about swing states, supreme court decisions, and fraud, and how the election decisively went to the Republicans, from State-levels on up to the president, do you feel any different? I think this is great for America, and demonstrates that the American people have made a large culture shift re-allignment, leaving the policies and tendencies of liberalism passed down through many generations and moving to a more conservative government. The United States now stands as a Bastion of conservatism in an increasingly more liberal world, and I think that is great. Everybody ready for Hillary v. Rudy in '08?

Yeah, me too. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. Now we can get rid of those civil rights so all the Christians can have everyone living like the Bible says. We can have build up our military so we can fight multiple wars on multiple fronts like the PNAC wants. We will never have to hear from those uppity blacks that liberal movement gave all those stupid rights to. Not to mention all those family destroying queers.

Me too. Who you pushing for next time? I'm thinking I would love a Guiliani/Powell ticket. ;)
Gov. Owens for president.

yeah, are they even done counting provisional votes yet?

Thety don't matter
Even of all provisonal votes go to kerry, bush would still win ohio

at least kerry took his loss as a man and did not whine about it like gore did
Here we go again... Kalrate, I'm sorry but what you're saying is unsuported nonsense. Bush is an Asshole and John Kerry is cool - live with it.

Now that the American people have chosen, electorally and popularly, George W. Bush for our next president, do you feel any different. I certainly saw many very confident Kerry supporters who promised and predicted a Kerry win. So, after all the speculation about swing states, supreme court decisions, and fraud, and how the election decisively went to the Republicans, from State-levels on up to the president, do you feel any different? I think this is great for America, and demonstrates that the American people have made a large culture shift re-allignment, leaving the policies and tendencies of liberalism passed down through many generations and moving to a more conservative government. The United States now stands as a Bastion of conservatism in an increasingly more liberal world, and I think that is great. Everybody ready for Hillary v. Rudy in '08?

I first feel sad for America. I feel Bush is a bad choice and might harm some value some of us hold like how Bush wants to rid Roe versus Wade.
I don't use it being a male but I believe women deserve that choice.

I feel Kerry should have fought harder but I am able to understand why he conceded.

The apocolypse has to happen. Kerry presidency might postp[one it but the Lord's Will will eventually occur. Kerry understood that and said, " It is done". Now Bush will let us down the path toward that direction.

Bush finally got elected. Good for him. I voted for Kerry but no hard feelings there. I do think he will do the same things he has done and for that I don't like him.

Bush is not a Conservative if conservative means fiscially responsible. He wants permenant TAX CUTs! Thats money permentaly gone from revenue for the govt. Meaning more deficients meaning giving China more power over us. They buy our debt after all.

Now republicans own a great majority in house and senate so they can't blame things not passing on the left. Its their own fault. Here is hoping republicans say weak in senate. They have been for 8 years and if we are lucky they will stay that way. They can't get stuff passed because they don't think highly of themselves enough. That leads to pride and so forth.
Repubs in senate are low self esteem I think.

LOL! From what I've seen, you certainly don't qualify as an "asshole!" Heh!

But I do have an honest question about something you said, not wanting any sort of involved or heated discussion to start, BTW. I really would like to know who is talking about "taking rights away from gays and women," and what rights are they talking about taking away? This comes as a complete surprise to me. ( puzzled look )

They aren't taking rights away from gays, just withholding them. However, the right to choose might be taken away from women, I doubt it though. But I didn't think that this election would be so conservative, so what do I know.

LOL! From what I've seen, you certainly don't qualify as an "asshole!" Heh!

But I do have an honest question about something you said, not wanting any sort of involved or heated discussion to start, BTW. I really would like to know who is talking about "taking rights away from gays and women," and what rights are they talking about taking away? This comes as a complete surprise to me. ( puzzled look )

Just mentioning the anti-gay marriage/anti-abortion beliefs and stuff. Personally, I don't really dig any of them, but "Land of the Free" is supposed to be something worth bragging for.

Really I could care less and am just glad it's over espeically since a feasco like 4 years ago was avoided. I'm just glad that it ended peacfully and civialy. Though I do believe that Kerry conseading was the only way for it to end this way, but on the other hand there was no way Bush would have been able to do what Kerry did because he is the current president. In other words Bush wouldn't have been able to do what Kerry did. I will say that my oppinion of Kerry as a person has gone up by this move, though I wouldn't vote for him either. (Note: I did not vote for either Bush or Kerry, but I did vote.) As I said before I'm just glad it ended as peacfully as it did.

Here we go again... Kalrate, I'm sorry but what you're saying is unsuported nonsense. Bush is an Asshole and John Kerry is cool - live with it.

... I just said kerry took the loss as a man and DID NOT whine,
therefore making me respect that part of him
you are attacking me for no reason

Me too. Who you pushing for next time? I'm thinking I would love a Guiliani/Powell ticket. ;)

I voted for Kerry, but I would vote Guiliani/Powell, but I would prefer Powell be president. In fact screw both of em', GO MCCAIN, save us in 2008.

... I just said kerry took the loss as a man and DID NOT whine,
therefore making me respect that part of him
you are attacking me for no reason
What do you mean for no reason - you're the one who says that Al Gore whines. Personally, I feel that Ralph Nader was cheated out of his place in the White House this day.

Mostly, I feel relieved that the damned thing is OVER! Whew!

Hear, hear. That's the word of the day. :)

Yeah, me too. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. Now we can get rid of those civil rights so all the Christians can have everyone living like the Bible says. We can have build up our military so we can fight multiple wars on multiple fronts like the PNAC wants. We will never have to hear from those uppity blacks that liberal movement gave all those stupid rights to. Not to mention all those family destroying queers.
I don't think the US is that conservative. The it was still pretty damn close. We have a good balance between conservative and liberal. We may lean a little to the right, but that's fine by me, and apparently fine by 51% of the US.
I'd vote for Powell, but I'm not a big Guiliani fan. Powell/McCain would be my ticket.

... I just said kerry took the loss as a man and DID NOT whine,
therefore making me respect that part of him
you are attacking me for no reason

Too bad Kerry had to concede for people to not think he is a liberal whiner with no spine.

What do you mean for no reason - you're the one who says that Al Gore whines. Personally, I feel that Ralph Nader was cheated out of his place in the White House this day.

al gore DID whine
he f*cking whined for months
Ralph Nader has never had any remote place in the white house he would screwed us
Ralph is the most liberal psycho i have ever seen

No long war over Ohio. We got a decisive winner. I predict that this is the end for the "Florida syndrome." And thank god there wasn't a Florida this election.

Yeah, me too. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. Now we can get rid of those civil rights so all the Christians can have everyone living like the Bible says. We can have build up our military so we can fight multiple wars on multiple fronts like the PNAC wants. We will never have to hear from those uppity blacks that liberal movement gave all those stupid rights to. Not to mention all those family destroying queers.

It's posts like this one that make me wonder about the fairness of the moderators on here. I have seen today several threads by supporters of Bush closed for saying much the same thing, only from the other side. I fail to see where there is any fairness in the mods not cautioning you for this post as well.

Too bad Kerry had to concede for people to not think he is a liberal whiner with no spine.

oh no, belive me I still think that kerry is a liberal weiner with no spine
I just respect him because he knows when to take a loss unlike al gore

Mostly, I feel relieved that the damned thing is OVER! Whew!
Over? I thought that they would be working on 2008 by now. ;)

yeah, are they even done counting provisional votes yet?

LOL!!!

Tap your heels together and repeat after me: "There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home..."

al gore DID whine
he f*cking whined for months
Ralph Nader has never had any remote place in the white house he would screwed us
Ralph is the most liberal psycho i have ever seen

OH ReALLY, little miss dictator? And who would you have as the goddamn president of this godforsaken little sh1t of a country? Face it, Al Gore is a great man, and Ralph Nader is a real hero. They would have made a great team.

Personally, I feel that Ralph Nader was cheated out of his place in the White House this day.

nader is the liberal the republicans wanted you to think that kerry was. he can't pull a majority of votes just by saying, "hey, i'm not either of those guys." really, the fact that he wasn't either of the other guys is about the only thing he had working in his favor.

oh no, belive me I still think that kerry is a liberal weiner with no spine
I just respect him because he knows when to take a loss unlike al gore

In all fairness to Gore, the 2000 election was MUCH closer than this one.

The American electorate has spoken, and they say: "WE ARE CONSERVATIVE!"

No long war over Ohio. We got a decisive winner. I predict that this is the end for the "Florida syndrome." And thank god there wasn't a Florida this election.
Um Florida was still there. Difference there was no paper trail to check the computers. So Hackers could have changed everything.

I don't think the US is that conservative. The it was still pretty damn close. We have a good balance between conservative and liberal. We may lean a little to the right, but that's fine by me, and apparently fine by 51% of the US.
I'd vote for Powell, but I'm not a big Guiliani fan. Powell/McCain would be my ticket.

I'd say we are very conservative, if you take out Chicago, California, and New York, this election would have been a landslide on all fronts. Hell, if Jack Ryan hadn't had his scandal, Obama would have lost in my state and since the democratic party is obviously running out of leaders they need all the new ones they can get.

nader is the liberal the republicans wanted you to think that kerry was. he can't pull a majority of votes just by saying, "hey, i'm not either of those guys." really, the fact that he wasn't either of the other guys is about the only thing he had working in his favor.
Oh, what do you know? You're probably not even a US citizen.

at least kerry took his loss as a man and did not whine about it like gore did
Definitely got to give the man that. He took the loss well. Now from what I heard Edwards didn't. Sounded to me like he wanted to fight tooth and nail for Ohio. Can't blame him for not wanting to give up with it being so close, but I personally prefer it if those running let it go like Kerry.

Over? I thought that they would be working on 2008 by now? ;)

SHRIEK! Run away! ;)

OH ReALLY, little miss dictator? And who would you have as the goddamn president of this godforsaken little sh1t of a country? Face it, Al Gore is a great man, and Ralph Nader is a real hero. They would have made a great team.

I am not a miss, I am only a dictador in this game
I would have George Bush as President of this GREAT country
Al gore is a pansy and Nader is insane
we would be screwed if they were in charge (thanks god this is not the case)

I'd say we are very conservative, if you take out Chicago, California, and New York, this election would have been a landslide on all fronts. Hell, if Jack Ryan hadn't had his scandal, Obama would have lost in my state and since the democratic party is obviously running out of leaders they need all the new ones they can get.

And if you take out Texas, Georgia, and South Carolina, the country looks a lot more liberal.

You can't pick and choose what parts of the country you want to look at - we Northeasterns and West Coasters (and Upper Midwesterners) are as American as you Southerners and Midwesterners.

I'd say we are very conservative, if you take out Chicago, California, and New York, this election would have been a landslide on all fronts. Hell, if Jack Ryan hadn't had his scandal, Obama would have lost in my state and since the democratic party is obviously running out of leaders they need all the new ones they can get.

Kinda like Barry Goldwater ( Rep. Pres. candidate ... in 1964? ) said when he suggested that the best thing for the US would be to cut the entire Northeast loose from the rest of the US and set it adrift in the Atlantic! Heh!

BTW ... Obama seems like a very likeable sort of person, although I know nothing about his political leanings.

I'm pleasantly surprised. Bush won by a wider-than-expected popular margin, and Republicans didn't just retain Congress, but expanded their control. While this might be good for Bush, I have a feeling that we Republicans are going the way of the Democrats in the sixties: too big for our own good. But otherwise, I am elated.

In all fairness to Gore, the 2000 election was MUCH closer than this one.

The American electorate has spoken, and they say: "WE ARE CONSERVATIVE!"

Really? I thought Bush won.

Oh, what do you know? You're probably not even a US citizen.

yes, i am. i'm just not a voter.

And if you take out Texas, Georgia, and South Carolina, the country looks a lot more liberal.

You can't pick and choose what parts of the country you want to look at - we Northeasterns and West Coasters (and Upper Midwesterners) are as American as you Southerners and Midwesterners.

Yes, we gratiously allow you weird people to live in our Country ... as long as you behave yourselves! KIDDING! :D

Really? I thought Bush won.

he did

I am not a miss, I am only a dictador in this game
I would have George Bush as President of this GREAT country
Al gore is a pansy and Nader is insane
we would be screwed if they were in charge (thanks god this is not the case)
What is it with transexuals thinking they know more then everyone else? Look, Nader And Kerry are much better then that Homo Dubya Bush (his IQ is 91; you're obviously not much smarter). BTW, The United States of America is the worst excuse for a country on the planet. Basically, its a sh1thole.

yes, i am. i'm just not a voter.
Nice try, homeboy. Who let this Asshole into the country?

SHRIEK! Run away! ;)
You can run, but you can't hide. They'll hunt you down, find out and drag you out of your hiding place.

But that's not the worst part. Oh no. They save the worst for last. They'll take over your television set and force you to watch advertisements, results from primiaries, more mindless advertisements, and finally debates. Lots and lots of debates.

Then what happens you ask? You're forced to decide between two idiots to head up your government, a government that affects YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!

Then the worst part finally comes, the cycle begins anew......

;)

Actually when you think about it explaining American politics is a lot like telling a horror story. Sure sounds that way, but it's a hell of a lot scarier. After all, not only can it happen, it does happen.

Now that the American people have chosen, electorally and popularly, George W. Bush for our next president, do you feel any different. I certainly saw many very confident Kerry supporters who promised and predicted a Kerry win. So, after all the speculation about swing states, supreme court decisions, and fraud, and how the election decisively went to the Republicans, from State-levels on up to the president, do you feel any different? I think this is great for America, and demonstrates that the American people have made a large culture shift re-allignment, leaving the policies and tendencies of liberalism passed down through many generations and moving to a more conservative government. The United States now stands as a Bastion of conservatism in an increasingly more liberal world, and I think that is great. Everybody ready for Hillary v. Rudy in '08?I think the whole problem stands in voting. Those electoral votes suck!! The people and only them should choose who they want.

You can run, but you can't hide. They'll hunt you down, find out and drag you out of your hiding place.

But that's not the worst part. Oh no. They save the worst for last. They'll take over your television set and force you to watch advertisements, results from primiaries, more mindless advertisements, and finally debates. Lots and lots of debates.

Then what happens you ask? You're forced to decide between two idiots to head up your government, a government that affects YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!

Then the worst part finally comes, the cycle begins anew......

;)

Actually when you think about it explaining American politics is a lot like telling a horror story. Sure sounds that way, but it's a hell of a lot scarier. After all, not only can it happen, it does happen.
Blah blah blah.
I think i speak for all true americans when I say that this country is in ruins; I think we could all learn a little something from Tony Blair.

It's posts like this one that make me wonder about the fairness of the moderators on here. I have seen today several threads by supporters of Bush closed for saying much the same thing, only from the other side. I fail to see where there is any fairness in the mods not cautioning you for this post as well.

I said nothing insulting to anything of the posters on here, in fact I have a feeling that this could be a general idea of a mesh of the feelings of the majority in this nation.

What is it with transexuals thinking they know more then everyone else? Look, Nader And Kerry are much better then that Homo Dubya Bush (his IQ is 91; you're obviously not much smarter). BTW, The United States of America is the worst excuse for a country on the planet. Basically, its a sh1thole.

Shut up, both Bush and whoever you are arguing with are obviously much smarter than you. So do Bush, whoever you are arguing with, and me a favor by just staying away from the keyboard.

Blah blah blah.
I think i speak for all true americans when I say that this country is in ruins; I think we could all learn a little something from Tony Blair.
First of all I was joking. If you're too pissed off from the election results than tough. Just try to do more next time if you want to cause change. Be the change instead of complaining. Simple enough if you ask me.

Second, are you accusing me of not being American? What just because I happen to be making light of the whole election process makes me un-American?

Frankly, if I offended you, I am truly sorry. I'm not sure what I did exactly, but I'll let it go and be the bigger man.

Urahole, deal with it, the democrats are the minority and the greens are just about nobody.

And the Right now says he is a decent guy for concession. After all the dogging they did.

What's your point?
We give him credit because he gave up. Something Al Gore didnt have the balls to do.

I feel rather good. But my compatriot Bush voters are gloating way too much, they need to cool their jets and allow the kerry voters to get their angst out. It's the only polite thing to do.

I feel rather good. But my compatriot Bush voters are gloating way too much, they need to cool their jets and allow the kerry voters to get their angst out. It's the only polite thing to do.

I let the depressed Kerry supporters I know do that. I didn't gloat over them, because I know they would not gloat over me.

But the anarcho-socialist EUros on this board, who presumed to meddle in our election? F*ck 'em! :sniper:

i dont feel any different. Its not like we have a new person in the white house.

I think this is great for America, and demonstrates that the American people have made a large culture shift re-allignment, leaving the policies and tendencies of liberalism passed down through many generations and moving to a more conservative government. The United States now stands as a Bastion of conservatism in an increasingly more liberal world
I agree that there has been a culture shift going on for a while, but not towards conservatism. More towards religious authoritarianism and jingoism/ extreme nationalism. That's what worries me.

We give him credit because he gave up. Something Al Gore didnt have the balls to do.
With his message delievered via his running mate, the Shiny Pony, last night it was clear they would have fought it just like Gore if they thought they had a chance but they did not. SO in my opinion Kerry deserves no credit there. Nixon conceded twice in close elections he could have possibly won before he won in 1968.

Im glad I dont have to listen to the arrogant pompous Kerry bitch, whine, and moan about every little thing every day, claiming he could do it better without offering any solutions. Or his insistence that Bush apologize for this and that when Kerry refused to apologize for his past mistakes. I
'm gonna miss his photo ops though. The hunting and illegal gun toting ones along with the bunny suit photes were particularly entertaining. As were the various sports ones showing him catching and throwing like a nancy boy.

Blah blah blah.
I think i speak for all true americans when I say that this country is in ruins; I think we could all learn a little something from Tony Blair.
you don't speak for me so don't even pretend. Oh and before you say i'm not a true american, I am and i prove it everyday i get up and put my uniform on. Air Force all the way

I almost missed voting, I cast my ballot one mintute before they closed the polls down here. I feel good because even though Bush won, I can still say I voted against him. This way when he totally screws up the USA I can say I told you so to the people that voted for Bush.

I wish I would have lived in a state where my vote would have mattered, instead of Utah. Bush got twice as many votes as Kerry. My vote would not have even mattered on the Marriage Definition bill, which was passed 66% to 34%

Every vote counts... depending on where you live I guess.

Now that the American people have chosen, electorally and popularly, George W. Bush for our next president, do you feel any different. I certainly saw many very confident Kerry supporters who promised and predicted a Kerry win. So, after all the speculation about swing states, supreme court decisions, and fraud, and how the election decisively went to the Republicans, from State-levels on up to the president, do you feel any different? I think this is great for America, and demonstrates that the American people have made a large culture shift re-allignment, leaving the policies and tendencies of liberalism passed down through many generations and moving to a more conservative government. The United States now stands as a Bastion of conservatism in an increasingly more liberal world, and I think that is great. Everybody ready for Hillary v. Rudy in '08?


America is an essentially conservative country. It's liberal on the east and west coasts, but they are increasingly marginalized and the heartland, the real, true America - that is, the authentic America - is conservative to the core.

I’m wondering if my home is going to turn into a flophouse for American refugees from my region. I have some solace though that no matter how whacky Bush is that he probably won’t invade Canada to get back at all the people dodging the 2005 Iraqi Draft.

The Bruce

As someone who lives outside the US, and therefore in Bush's battleground ("we will fight the terrorists anywhere"), I feel very scared.

There is very little danger the US would attack Australia, mainly because our PM is one of the few true friends (as opposed to the bought variety), that Bush has left in the world, but I do feel things will get worse, instead of better, and Bush's foreign policies will increase international tensions.

America is an essentially conservative country. It's liberal on the east and west coasts, but they are increasingly marginalized and the heartland, the real, true America - that is, the authentic America - is conservative to the core.

Wow and I thought it was the 13 colonies.

Hmmmm I guess the polorization isn't going away anytime soon.

I know most Bush supporters will ignore this and probably a lot of Kerry supporters, but I have to say this. I still feel cheated. Some things just don't seem right. For example, sveral of the results going for Bush differ from the results of the exit polls, which just doesn't happen. Secondly, the news media said that young voter turnout did not increas since last year, but the exit polls show a 9% increase.

I am also concerned about the touch screen voting machines. They have already been proven to be very unreliable by being easily hacked and providing no paper trail for recount. Plus, many of the poor black neighborhoods in Florida had the old punchcard ballots that caused such a problem in 2000.

Some of these things just don't add up. I still feel cheated and while you may think that I'm just whining because Bush won, I know that something is wrong.

The result did not suprise me at all, but I do fear for what will happen r.e the War on Terror.

I’m wondering if my home is going to turn into a flophouse for American refugees from my region. I have some solace though that no matter how whacky Bush is that he probably won’t invade Canada to get back at all the people dodging the 2005 Iraqi Draft.

The Bruce

Too bad there isn't going to be a draft. It does have to pass in the Senate and House before Bush can sign it. Bush already said he was going to veto it if it every came to him.
They voted on it in 2003 anyway. Only 3 out of the 435 of the whole US Senate/House voted YES for it.

I first feel sad for America. I feel Bush is a bad choice and might harm some value some of us hold like how Bush wants to rid Roe versus Wade.
I don't use it being a male but I believe women deserve that choice.

I feel Kerry should have fought harder but I am able to understand why he conceded.

The apocolypse has to happen. Kerry presidency might postp[one it but the Lord's Will will eventually occur. Kerry understood that and said, " It is done". Now Bush will let us down the path toward that direction.

Bush finally got elected. Good for him. I voted for Kerry but no hard feelings there. I do think he will do the same things he has done and for that I don't like him.

Bush is not a Conservative if conservative means fiscially responsible. He wants permenant TAX CUTs! Thats money permentaly gone from revenue for the govt. Meaning more deficients meaning giving China more power over us. They buy our debt after all.

Now republicans own a great majority in house and senate so they can't blame things not passing on the left. Its their own fault. Here is hoping republicans say weak in senate. They have been for 8 years and if we are lucky they will stay that way. They can't get stuff passed because they don't think highly of themselves enough. That leads to pride and so forth.
Repubs in senate are low self esteem I think.

Deficits are caused by over spending, not by tax cuts. Treasure revenue has been shown to go up after tax cuts. This may be a long read, but provides some assessment of the impact of tax cuts:

Supply Tax Cuts and the Truth About the Reagan Economic Record (http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-261.html)

Taxes = revenue
Spending = deficits

Giving power to China? :confused: Not sure where that came from.

Ra-Tep

Deficits are caused by over spending, not by tax cuts. Treasure revenue has been shown to go up after tax cuts. This may be a long read, but provides some assessment of the impact of tax cuts:

Supply Tax Cuts and the Truth About the Reagan Economic Record (http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-261.html)

Taxes = revenue
Spending = deficits


Or, deficits are caused by reducing your income when you need to expand spending. Treasury revenue does not necessarily go up because of tax cuts, though it may. And, in any event, we still have enormous deficits caused largely because Bush cut taxes on those who could best afford to pay higher taxes, shifted the burden onto the middle class, then began a costly military campaign with no real end in sight. Bush's actions are somewhat equivalent to someone quitting his/her job and then deciding to completely renovate his/her house. It's financially irresponsible.

As to how I feel now, I'm less depressed than many of my liberal friends. Bush is a wartime president who will win with at most 52% of the popular vote and a relatively close victory in the electoral college, and needed the anti-gay people initiative in Ohio to bring out enough voters to push him over the top there. Had the Democrats fielded a candidate better able to express a message to middle Americans, or if the Republicans did not have this wedge issue, Bush would have been toast. Face it: Bush did not win; the Democrats lost. Very few people support him enthusiastically, and if the Democrats are smart, they will continue to oppose his more assinine/hateful policies. Present themselves as a party with a vision for the United States, one that includes both traditional values and progressive action, and they can rewin the White House. The Republican party platform remains based in intolerance and fiscal policies that favor the wealthy at the expense of the working class, and a lot of Republican voters are not entirely comfortable with Bush's eschatological posturing. They can be wooed to the forces of light by a charismatic candidate who can communicate a message of how Americans can remain world leaders without incurring global ill will, and how all Americans deserve the same basic rights.

Carville and McAuliffe and their ilk need to go; they have led the Democrats too far to the right, so that their core voters don't trust the party anymore, and the loonier elements of the Republican party can make their ideas seem centrist. Whether or not the DNC recognizes this and moves remains to be seen.

America is an essentially conservative country. It's liberal on the east and west coasts, but they are increasingly marginalized and the heartland, the real, true America - that is, the authentic America - is conservative to the core.

No offense, but bite me. How do you presume to be the true America, and to declare those of us on the coasts not to be? If you're serious, throw us out---and go bankrupt without our tax dollars. (The blue states pay far more in taxes than we get in government services---unlike your oh-so-ruggedly-independent red states).

Don't you DARE call me an unauthentic American.

Giving power to China? :confused: Not sure where that came from.

Ra-Tep

I think he mean that we are so in debt that we will do just about anything China wants to get access to their markets.

How do I feel?

At first, I had experienced a lot of anger towards the opposing party. This is the first election I've been old enough to vote in, and I felt great being able to express my opinion with a vote.. The stage of anger has lessoned, and now I feel a growing distress.

The country is divided, so to speak. It worries me that we are so divided..I fear all the arguing and pointless threats that I have observed between the two sides. Leaving the personal opinions of my political leanings aside, I'm becoming depressed by our dying unity and hampered freedoms. This land is not free to ALL.

The rest of world grows weary of us, and I really don't blame them. It sickens me to think that we are loosing our trust among everybody else. I just..don't feel right about where our country seems to be going. The more I listen to news, or read these forums, the more upset I become. There is constant bickering..it frightens me.

I honestly don't think the ideals expressed in the title of our country fit us, if they ever did. I feel ashamed. I only wish we could come together..we only seem to be drifting further apart.

I'll tell you how I feel.

I feel like half of the people that live in this country are absolutely stupid.
They've been lied to, and decieved, fed a pack of lies, and through the manipulations of the Bush administration, theyve swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

How the people of the same country I live in could vote in man that started a WAR...on a "maybe", is beyond my comprehension.

I feel ashamed to call myself an American, the same country in wich eleven states voted to discriminate against those not like them, and to change their states constitutions all just to make a point.
and what is that point?

"We hates them fags!"

The few people Ive talked to who voted for Bush, dont even have good reasons to do so.
Like several threads on this site have shown, no one had a valid reason to vote for him, and one such person whom I work with said "I voted for him becuase I dont like Theresa Hienz-Kerry."

You see whats wrong with this picture?

Bush was re-elected by people who dont care about the fact that nearly a hundred thoudsand people are dead becuase of a bad decision.
They dont care about the worst environmental record ever.
They dont care about the worst economic policies since the Great Depression,

They dont want to think for themselves, they want to be told what to believe, even if that means the deaths of thousands.
How can people from what used to be the greatest nation on earth, have become so gullible, and stupid?

My faith in my country has been severly shaken.
More to the point, my faith in my fellow Americans has been shaken.

The ONLY saving grace to this whole travesty, is that at least it was a clean election.
There was a clear winner.
The system worked.

You guys deserve what you have voted over you...
Enjoy your period of patriot acts, creationism "theory" and media-witchhunt...

Gott mit uns...Right?

Not to even bother mentioning the increase in AIDS, teen pregnancy, and abortions due to sex ed programs that flat out IGNORE that condoms exist.

I am gay. I married my husband of 3 years in San Fransisco. I live in Oregon at the moment (one of those fateful 11 states). I'm leaving. Not just the state, but this country.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/ktfan0220/USCandJL02.jpg

This is the issue at hand...just a joke but if you middle Americans really don't want us...I guess we should start talks with the Canadians :p

By the way, the BBC has an interesting little breakdown on how the US presidential elections went since 1948, I think it shows an interesting pattern...or rather a lack of one. Sorry, couldn't find the link.

Yes, I feel different. I went from hopeful to saddened.

ever looked at a map of the world..? Seen the size of the U.S ?
A country with a population of over 100,000,000 people and the count came down to ...How many??? couple thousand..!!!!
BUSH !!!! goddamn!!! I cant believe you people hav'nt figured it out by now.
Take your head out of your arse and take responsibility for your nations actions and positions..!!

tsk bloody americans. (hands thrown up and eyes rolled in excasperation and frustration)

ever looked at a map of the world..? Seen the size of the U.S ?
A country with a population of over 100,000,000 people and the count came down to ...How many??? couple thousand..!!!!
BUSH !!!! goddamn!!! I cant believe you people hav'nt figured it out by now.
Take your head out of your arse and take responsibility for your nations actions and positions..!!

tsk bloody americans. (hands thrown up and eyes rolled in excasperation and frustration)

Actually it is closer to 3.5 million...still nothing for an incumbent, but more than enough.

And hey, you can't blame 49% of us!!! :D

Bush won by the widest margin ever in terms of popular vote (3.5 million people) so don't whine about it. Appearently, more people like Bush now than what they did in 2000.


You can call conservatives stupid, wrong, lied to, or any of the colorful foul words you've used in these posts, but the fact is, there are more of them than there are of liberals. They stood up, voted, counted, and won.

You can say America is a horrible, conservative nation, but we've been conservative since 1776. That's just the way it is. Its not that America is changing for the *worse* (your words, not mine), but it's the fact that America isn't changing with the rest of the western world. Only time will tell if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

You can say we hate gays, love guns, are only Christians, start more wars than anyone, brutally repress people, destroy rights, and everything else, but the fact of the matter is, we've helped YOUR nation out more than anyone else.

Try naming another country with 300 million people that has made a bigger positive impact in the world. If you want to be ungrateful for that, feel free. We could just pass a resolution demanding the money we gave Europe after WW-2 for reconstruction efforts back, and bankrupt your country. But appearently, somewhere along the line, we have a heart for people and won't do that.

at least kerry took his loss as a man and did not whine about it like gore did


That is so True, I mean, I have so much more respect for John Kerry for taking it like a man, and saying "i couldn't have won". I say Boya John Kerry, but what was up with tom Dashale losing.

Bush won by the widest margin ever in terms of popular vote (3.5 million people) so don't whine about it. Appearently, more people like Bush now than what they did in 2000.


You can call conservatives stupid, wrong, lied to, or any of the colorful foul words you've used in these posts, but the fact is, there are more of them than there are of liberals. They stood up, voted, counted, and won.

You can say America is a horrible, conservative nation, but we've been conservative since 1776. That's just the way it is. Its not that America is changing for the *worse* (your words, not mine), but it's the fact that America isn't changing with the rest of the western world. Only time will tell if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

You can say we hate gays, love guns, are only Christians, start more wars than anyone, brutally repress people, destroy rights, and everything else, but the fact of the matter is, we've helped YOUR nation out more than anyone else.

Try naming another country with 300 million people that has made a bigger positive impact in the world. If you want to be ungrateful for that, feel free. We could just pass a resolution demanding the money we gave Europe after WW-2 for reconstruction efforts back, and bankrupt your country. But appearently, somewhere along the line, we have a heart for people and won't do that.

YOU ARE THE SMARTEST MAN ALIVE, besides me. I think everyone forgot that in Europe, the SOCIALIST governments, don't give anybody rights, just token ones, SO THAT THEY CAN BE LIKE AMERICA. so go ahead and say that we opprese people, go ahead and say that we attack innocent people, but lets remember how many Innocent Iraqi Civilians Saddam Hussian Killed per year; 20,000! you may be stupid, but 20,000 is a whole lot more than how many have died in the Iraq war! Also, all I see Jaques Chirac doing, is oppresing Muslims! America, no head scarf ban! So why don't you stop criticizing my country adn realize YOU HAVE MORE PROBLEMS IN YOUR OWN COUNTRIES THAN WE EVER HAD. And in the Spirit of 1776, write YEE HA if you won the war!


YEE HAA!

Just goes to prove attitude and confidence are NOT everything. It was magical thinking. Well I just hope that President Bush doesn't f*** things up any further. If he does, then there will be another change. I have to hand it to the conservatives, they have a real gift for brainwashing people. They use their religion to do it. The average Christian is so uneducated on what Christianity really requires as to hardly qualiy.
All the conservatives had to do was take advantage of this.

Absolutely terrified.

Although i do not agree with Bush, it is not him that I fear, a president only has so much power. He is only one piece of our three branch system, but it is now the credibility of the balance of power that I am worried about. The Republicans now control the executive branch and are the majority party in the legeslative branch. In this upcoming term, 4 supreme court justices will retire, 2 democrat 2 republican. Bush gets to appoint these new justices meaning that republicans will then have a 7-2 majority in our Judicial branch. This also means the administration who wrote the PATRIOT Act gets to decide who interprets the constitution in respect to our civil liberties. Now I'm a moderate, so this isnt just some kind of liberal rant, id be just as afraid if democrats controlled all three branches. America is based on that balance of power and without are one step closer to being totalitarian

I really would like to know who is talking about "taking rights away from gays and women," and what rights are they talking about taking away? This comes as a complete surprise to me. ( puzzled look )
Gays? Well, the right to marry and enjoy civil unions with each other... for now. The Administration seems to be fostering an increasingly homophobic environment.

As for women? I don't know.

OH ReALLY, little miss dictator? And who would you have as the goddamn president of this godforsaken little sh1t of a country? Face it, Al Gore is a great man, and Ralph Nader is a real hero. They would have made a great team.
Calm down. This argument doesn't matter. I agree about Nader being a hero despite his pointless presidential run this year, and Al Gore is good too.

You can call conservatives stupid, wrong, lied to, or any of the colorful foul words you've used in these posts, but the fact is, there are more of them than there are of liberals. They stood up, voted, counted, and won.

You can say America is a horrible, conservative nation, but we've been conservative since 1776. That's just the way it is. Its not that America is changing for the *worse* (your words, not mine), but it's the fact that America isn't changing with the rest of the western world. Only time will tell if that is a good thing or a bad thing.
The fact that there are more "conservatives" (using that word for Bush is a travesty in itself) than "liberals" doesn't make them any more right.

I don't think America has always ben so conservative. I think it's a rightward shift that started in the 1970s. Let's take a few exaples from your history:

American Revolution in which Colonial American patriots fought for their independence from imperialist Britain. A very liberal act in itself. These patriots went on to found a nation where the people had a say in the government. A nation where government stayed out of people's lives. Most of all, a country where citizens were guaranteed freedom of speech, religion, and other civil liberties - in an age of monarchy and despotism. America was the most liberal country in the world.

Emancipation Proclamation - liberal, obviously.

Civil Rights Movement - liberal.

We could just pass a resolution demanding the money we gave Europe after WW-2 for reconstruction efforts back, and bankrupt your country.

Actually, if we passed such a resolution, the rest of the world would simply say NO. The rest of the world doesn't need to cater to the whims of the US.

I'll tell you how I feel.

I feel like half of the people that live in this country are absolutely stupid.
They've been lied to, and decieved, fed a pack of lies, and through the manipulations of the Bush administration, theyve swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

How the people of the same country I live in could vote in man that started a WAR...on a "maybe", is beyond my comprehension.

I feel ashamed to call myself an American, the same country in wich eleven states voted to discriminate against those not like them, and to change their states constitutions all just to make a point.
and what is that point?
Yeah, I really feel sorry for American liberals now. Bush only governs for his conservative base, makes no effort to govern for all Americans.

YOU ARE THE SMARTEST MAN ALIVE, besides me. I think everyone forgot that in Europe, the SOCIALIST governments, don't give anybody rights, just token ones, SO THAT THEY CAN BE LIKE AMERICA.
You've never been to Europe, have you? We have more rights than you. Nearly every European country has more press freedom than the USA. Europe is the true land of the free now.

The majority of Europe doesn't understand why the American people elected the cowboy again. Everyone knows Americans aren't very bright, but we at least thought they were smart enough not to make the same blunder of voting Bush (likely to be the least intelligent person ever to lead a country, which happens to be the mightiest country of the planet) again, with a result of another four years full of war and increasing danger of terrorism. The easiest way of defeating terrorism is just minding your own business, and don't try to be the referee of the world, because that's why (Islamic) people hate the US so much. But that isn't as fun and entertaining as war...

I guess the Americans are even dumber than we thought.

I think he mean that we are so in debt that we will do just about anything China wants to get access to their markets.

Well, that too.

But also the fact that a very significant potion of our debt is TO China.

I think he mean that we are so in debt that we will do just about anything China wants to get access to their markets.

More to the point, China's now a leading investor in the bonds that cover our budget deficit. If they ever got irritated enough with us that they refused to buy them, interest rates would spike upwards until they hit a rate at which other folks would be willing to buy them. If no such rate existed, we'd have to do something really insane like print more money to cover the difference.

China would have to be _really_ irritated (or, worse, broke) to do this, because it would hurt their economy badly as well--we're a huge export market for them. Still, it's more than a bit worrying that a foreign power has a lever like that over our economy.

America is an essentially conservative country. It's liberal on the east and west coasts, but they are increasingly marginalized and the heartland, the real, true America - that is, the authentic America - is conservative to the core.
So how "American" Americans her depends on which party they support?

Besides, to most non-Americans, there is nothing more symbolic of all that America is about than the Statue of Liberty, which is found not in Texas, Wyoming or Georgia, but in New York City.

The first second bush won that little vioce from saddam in southpark the movie came to mind "your really fµ©k?d now!"...
Most of my family voted for bush and his lot of evil merry men so now I'll need to bring a baseball bat to family events...

I'll say my comments from past posts

bush is a moronic texas chimpanzee
but now kerry is just a pµ$$¥

The majority of Europe doesn't understand why the American people elected the cowboy again. Everyone knows Americans aren't very bright, but we at least thought they were smart enough not to make the same blunder of voting Bush (likely to be the least intelligent person ever to lead a country, which happens to be the mightiest country of the planet) again, with a result of another four years full of war and increasing danger of terrorism. The easiest way of defeating terrorism is just minding your own business, and don't try to be the referee of the world, because that's why (Islamic) people hate the US so much. But that isn't as fun and entertaining as war...

I guess the Americans are even dumber than we thought.

You should do your homework before you call people stupid that just makes you look like a smug fool. I voted for kerry instead of someone I liked just to get that moronic texas chimp bush out and I personally know hundreds of people who did the same..
The vote is no-longer ours it's special interests groups like the hoth vanderbilt and other rich families from the beginning of the USA's birth many European families too oil companies software companies like Microsoft the IRS and other capitalist monsters we are slaves to them many people out here are stupid enough to swallow all that brainwash but many are not. this country has been retarded by a two party system and those groups and the mindless brainwash masses make it impossible for a third party to win try to learn about the electoral vs the popular votes and how it really works getting someone in that shit-slab whitehouse
and don't say "we" for Europeans because I have many friends all over europe who know better than to make retarded generalizations and would toss you in the sea for trying to make them look so stupid and smug.

Ok I'm done rosting this "Europeian" I'm out to look for any revolts, protests or riots.. hopefully a roit i need a tv I broke mine over the madness that was vote 2004 :p

I wish I had the cash to leave this side of hell...

You should do your homework before you call people stupid that just makes you look like a smug fool. I voted for kerry instead of someone I liked just to get that moronic texas chimp bush out and I personally know hundreds of people who did the same..
The vote is no-longer ours it's special interests groups like the hoth vanderbilt and other rich families from the beginning of the USA's birth many European families too oil companies software companies like Microsoft the IRS and other capitalist monsters we are slaves to them many people out here are stupid enough to swallow all that brainwash but many are not. this country has been retarded by a two party system and those groups and the mindless brainwash masses make it impossible for a third party to win try to learn about the electoral vs the popular votes and how it really works getting someone in that shit-slab whitehouse
and don't say "we" for Europeans because I have many friends all over europe who know better than to make retarded generalizations and would toss you in the sea for trying to make them look so stupid and smug.

Ok I'm done rosting this "Europeian" I'm out to look for any revolts, protests or riots.. hopefully a roit i need a tv I broke mine over the madness that was vote 2004 :p

I wish I had the cash to leave this side of hell...

So basically: The stupid people outnumber the smart ones. Ergo: Yanks are stupid.

So how "American" Americans her depends on which party they support?

Besides, to most non-Americans, there is nothing more symbolic of all that America is about than the Statue of Liberty, which is found not in Texas, Wyoming or Georgia, but in New York City.
And ironic part its from France :)

Bush won by the widest margin ever in terms of popular vote (3.5 million people) so don't whine about it. Appearently, more people like Bush now than what they did in 2000.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just made a mistake there. This was one of the closest re-elections in US history. You have to go back to World War I for something this close in popular vote (re-election wise). And that is only the case because there were so few people in the country. I'm not positive, but this is the closest percentage wise that a re-election campaign has ever been.

http://uselectionatlas.org/

Clinton's re-election was by 8 million votes. Reagan's was by 17 million. Even FDR won by more than 3 million every time he ran, and only 38 million voted.

So, for the record, the nation is more split now than ever. Well, except maybe the Civil War. And heck, even Lincoln had a higher percentage than Bush, and that precipitated Civil War... (it was a 1 million vote margain of victory by the way).

After the election: How do you feel?
I feel America made the right choice.

at least kerry took his loss as a man and did not whine about it like gore did

Gore had every right to whine because Bush cheated in 2000 and didn't even get a popular vote. Kerry, although I think he should have stuck it out, lost fair and square. As far as how I feel... well, depressed at times, but I've gone through the same pattern before and life does have to go on. Fortunately my personal life is currently looking up so it balances out.

Gore had every right to whine because Bush cheated in 2000 and didn't even get a popular vote. Kerry, although I think he should have stuck it out, lost fair and square.
Cheated? How so?

Cheated? How so?

Do black voters' registrations being lost, or people with felony dates in the future being denied the right to vote ring a bell?

You should watch "Unprecedented". Fahrenheit 9/11 is not a good argumentative film, just inflammatory, but Unprecedented shows the facts clearly and without contempt.

Gore had every right to whine because Bush cheated in 2000 and didn't even get a popular vote. Kerry, although I think he should have stuck it out, lost fair and square. As far as how I feel... well, depressed at times, but I've gone through the same pattern before and life does have to go on. Fortunately my personal life is currently looking up so it balances out.

You know, Gore really didn't whine about anything. He could have become president if he pushed the issue in the Congress. Had he let any Democratic member of the Senate challenge the vote results (as MANY House Democrats did), it would have come down to a vote. At that point the Senate was 50/50. Guess who casts the tie breaker? Al Gore. But for the sake of unity he didn't do it. Of course, I'm not sure if that vote would have simply issued a recount (which Gore would have most likely won) or if it would have actually said he was president.

Does anyone have more info on this?

I'm f*cking p*ssed at the Democrats right now. Like in 2000, you stole almost all of Ralph Nader's votes--and you STILL didn't win. Was Bush paying you to be stupid and run in the election so he could win it? And is he paying you to complain about how Ralph Nader 'stole' all 'your' votes, as if he had a powerful fundraising machine of labor unions, trial lawyers, and 527's to convince potential Kerry voters to vote for him? :rolleyes:

And are you Democrats planning to use Hillary Clinton to do the same thing in 2008? :sniper:

And are you Democrats planning to use Hillary Clinton to do the same thing in 2008? :sniper:

I truly hope not. If this election told us anything, it is that the South is too far right to elect a woman. Or Obama. Unfortunately for the Democrats, they don't seem to realize that picking a candidate is just as much of a political event as running for the actual election. I definitely don't mean to be racist, but as far as I can tell, it was a huge mistake for the Democrats to put a Jewish person on the 2000 ticket and a Catholic on this one. Sure they may be good for the job, but you have to keep in mind there are a lot of racists/bigots in this country. If you want to get ELECTED you have to change your platform to the point of appealing to lots of people. I hate saying it, but the nation is too bigoted for those kind of candidates. A Hillary ticket will die a painful death in 2008.

I'll just say this.

Not only have I yet to talk to anyone who had a good reason to vote for Bush, but I also feel like everyone who did so, chose to let someone else do thier thinking.
It is a FACT that over 100,000 people are dead in Iraq becuase of Bush.
This is irrefutable.

It is a FACT that Bush misled, misjudged, and then lied to the American people over why he invaded Iraq.

This means that nearly 51% of this country voted for a lying murderer.

What does mean for the future?

It means more of the same.

Bush will continue his unrealistic "war on terror".
But next time, the attack on our own soil will be more devastating than the last one.

With our Armed forces stretched too far in Iraq, and elsewhere, Bush will retaliate with the only weapons available.

You know what Im talking about.


Will it be the end of all things?
Probably not.

But it will be a catastrophy that all of you people that voted for him becuase "John Kerry looks like Herman Munster" will be responsible for.


War is not something you do, when you are uncertain about what your neighbor is doing.
Why so many of you choose to ignore sanity, and support a man who invaded a nation on baseless grounds, I simply cant imagine.

It doesnt matter what Bush thought was happening, or what intelligence he had at the time.
He was wrong.
Becuase of that....100,000 people are dead, and you people think its great.

Pigs.

I'll tell you how I feel.

I feel like half of the people that live in this country are absolutely stupid.
They've been lied to, and decieved, fed a pack of lies, and through the manipulations of the Bush administration, theyve swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

How the people of the same country I live in could vote in man that started a WAR...on a "maybe", is beyond my comprehension.

I feel ashamed to call myself an American, the same country in wich eleven states voted to discriminate against those not like them, and to change their states constitutions all just to make a point.
and what is that point?

"We hates them fags!"

The few people Ive talked to who voted for Bush, dont even have good reasons to do so.
Like several threads on this site have shown, no one had a valid reason to vote for him, and one such person whom I work with said "I voted for him becuase I dont like Theresa Hienz-Kerry."

You see whats wrong with this picture?

Bush was re-elected by people who dont care about the fact that nearly a hundred thoudsand people are dead becuase of a bad decision.
They dont care about the worst environmental record ever.
They dont care about the worst economic policies since the Great Depression,

They dont want to think for themselves, they want to be told what to believe, even if that means the deaths of thousands.
How can people from what used to be the greatest nation on earth, have become so gullible, and stupid?

My faith in my country has been severly shaken.
More to the point, my faith in my fellow Americans has been shaken.

The ONLY saving grace to this whole travesty, is that at least it was a clean election.
There was a clear winner.
The system worked.

I'll tell you whats worse? Little Johnny Howard, Prime Minister of Australia is still tonguing G.W.Bush' behind!
He is our worst running prime minister in History too! He's taking away Christian rights and his Son worked and helped G.W.Bush' campaign. Now Howard has taken this Christian approach too.

Something tells me the Anti-Christ will be voted in by the 'Christians' in the end times. Christians are so gullible these days, 'I vote for Howard/Bush because of his values. And because he's Christian!' -thats my friends for ya! Oblivious to the world around them and living in this 'Jesusland'. BTW, I'm Christian, I just have enough brainpower not to be brainwashed by hypocriticol, suck-up liars and war criminals. *cough*Bush,Blair&Howard*cough**cough*

I'll just say this.

Not only have I yet to talk to anyone who had a good reason to vote for Bush, but I also feel like everyone who did so, chose to let someone else do thier thinking.
It is a FACT that over 100,000 people are dead in Iraq becuase of Bush.
This is irrefutable.

It is a FACT that Bush misled, misjudged, and then lied to the American people over why he invaded Iraq.

This means that nearly 51% of this country voted for a lying murderer.

What does mean for the future?

It means more of the same.

Bush will continue his unrealistic "war on terror".
But next time, the attack on our own soil will be more devastating than the last one.

With our Armed forces stretched too far in Iraq, and elsewhere, Bush will retaliate with the only weapons available.

You know what Im talking about.


Will it be the end of all things?
Probably not.

But it will be a catastrophy that all of you people that voted for him becuase "John Kerry looks like Herman Munster" will be responsible for.


War is not something you do, when you are uncertain about what your neighbor is doing.
Why so many of you choose to ignore sanity, and support a man who invaded a nation on baseless grounds, I simply cant imagine.

It doesnt matter what Bush thought was happening, or what intelligence he had at the time.
He was wrong.
Becuase of that....100,000 people are dead, and you people think its great.

Pigs.


Mods: Why don't you consider this flaming, and flamebaiting?

I truly hope not. If this election told us anything, it is that the South is too far right to elect a woman. Or Obama. Unfortunately for the Democrats, they don't seem to realize that picking a candidate is just as much of a political event as running for the actual election. I definitely don't mean to be racist, but as far as I can tell, it was a huge mistake for the Democrats to put a Jewish person on the 2000 ticket and a Catholic on this one. Sure they may be good for the job, but you have to keep in mind there are a lot of racists/bigots in this country. If you want to get ELECTED you have to change your platform to the point of appealing to lots of people. I hate saying it, but the nation is too bigoted for those kind of candidates. A Hillary ticket will die a painful death in 2008.


Don’t forget all of those that just DON’T LIKE HER

Lol put Obama up … Ill vote for him!

YOU ARE THE SMARTEST MAN ALIVE, besides me. I think everyone forgot that in Europe, the SOCIALIST governments, don't give anybody rights, just token ones, SO THAT THEY CAN BE LIKE AMERICA. so go ahead and say that we opprese people, go ahead and say that we attack innocent people, but lets remember how many Innocent Iraqi Civilians Saddam Hussian Killed per year; 20,000! you may be stupid, but 20,000 is a whole lot more than how many have died in the Iraq war! Also, all I see Jaques Chirac doing, is oppresing Muslims! America, no head scarf ban! So why don't you stop criticizing my country adn realize YOU HAVE MORE PROBLEMS IN YOUR OWN COUNTRIES THAN WE EVER HAD. And in the Spirit of 1776, write YEE HA if you won the war! YEE HAA!

Just read what you wrote you blinded self-righteous fool!

Actually the number of innocent iraqi deaths from this Iraq War has now totalled to a minimum of 40,000. (Some leftist groups in Oz say its more near 100,000 due to some types of radioactive weapons that americans are using in that war)

Also if you put into account that America put Saddam into power to begin with (somewhere around the 1980's) and the account that you gave him all those weapons such as poison gas, the death of Iraqi's in America's hands is *20,000 x 20yrs = 400,000 dead iraqi's plus another 40,000 in this war = 440,000 dead.
And for what? Money? Power? Popularity? The American peoples ignorance? And this constant cry 'We are the best! We help everyone, you just don't see it! BTW, don't fuck with us'?

*I'm only going on what you said, even though I'm sure he didn't kill that many in a year.

Just read what you wrote you blinded self-righteous fool!

Actually the number of innocent iraqi deaths from this Iraq War has now totalled to a minimum of 40,000. (Some leftist groups in Oz say its more near 100,000 due to some types of radioactive weapons that americans are using in that war)

Also if you put into account that America put Saddam into power to begin with (somewhere around the 1980's) and the account that you gave him all those weapons such as poison gas, the death of Iraqi's in America's hands is *20,000 x 20yrs = 400,000 dead iraqi's plus another 40,000 in this war = 440,000 dead.
And for what? Money? Power? Popularity? The American peoples ignorance? And this constant cry 'We are the best! We help everyone, you just don't see it! BTW, don't fuck with us'?

*I'm only going on what you said, even though I'm sure he didn't kill that many in a year.

First, remove the beam from your own eye. Your "history" is completely wrong.

Hussein, Saddam , 1937–, Iraqi political leader. A member of the Ba'ath party, he fled Iraq after participating (1959) in an assassination attempt on the country's prime minister; in Egypt he attended law school. Returning to Iraq in 1963 after the Ba'athists briefly came to power, he played a significant role in the 1968 revolution that secured Ba'ath hegemony. Hussein held key economic and political posts before becoming Iraq's president in 1979.
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0824631.html

Mods: Why don't you consider this flaming, and flamebaiting?

Because its true and you refuse to listen 'Even New Talgania'.

If you actually got your head out of dreamland America, you'd realise that most of the world hates you.

You had a chance to listen to the world and get Bush out. But for you to vote again for THAT lying, hipocritical, christian war criminal has only proven to the world that you don't care about it. You'd quite happily invade another country. You'd quite happily kill for profit. You'd happily kill and destroy in the name of 'peace' and 'God Almighty'.

You had your chance America. You blew it. Their is going to be even greater bloodshed on American soil due to you condoning G.W.Bush's actions, Bin Laden really has it in for you- he can teach you that death and war is bad. But Australia is just as bad- we followed in your footsteps so closely that we, the Australian people, have endorsed our leader telling the rest of the world 'don't mess with us and America'.

I'm ashamed to be an Australian-American.
Would you call this flaming? Because this is how the world setting is sounding from other forums I go to.

Because its true and you refuse to listen 'Even New Talgania'.

If you actually got your head out of dreamland America, you'd realise that most of the world hates you.

You had a chance to listen to the world and get Bush out. But for you to vote again for THAT lying, hipocritical, christian war criminal has only proven to the world that you don't care about it. You'd quite happily invade another country. You'd quite happily kill for profit. You'd happily kill and destroy in the name of 'peace' and 'God Almighty'.

You had your chance America. You blew it. Their is going to be even greater bloodshed on American soil due to you condoning G.W.Bush's actions, Bin Laden really has it in for you- he can teach you that death and war is bad. But Australia is just as bad- we followed in your footsteps so closely that we, the Australian people, have endorsed our leader telling the rest of the world 'don't mess with us and America'.

I'm ashamed to be an Australian-American.
Would you call this flaming? Because this is how the world setting is sounding from other forums I go to.

More flaming. Mods, when are you going to do something about this type of hate-speech from the left?

I don't care what "the rest of the world" thinks. What other forums do you go to? Al-Jazeera? I'd like to know so I can forward the URLs to US intelligence services for monitoring.

First, remove the beam from your own eye. Your "history" is completely wrong.

Hussein, Saddam , 1937–, Iraqi political leader. A member of the Ba'ath party, he fled Iraq after participating (1959) in an assassination attempt on the country's prime minister; in Egypt he attended law school. Returning to Iraq in 1963 after the Ba'athists briefly came to power, he played a significant role in the 1968 revolution that secured Ba'ath hegemony. Hussein held key economic and political posts before becoming Iraq's president in 1979.
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0824631.html

Cool, thanks. I was looking for some more information on his background.
But I was only a year off when he was put into power-
Also if you put into account that America put Saddam into power to begin with (somewhere around the 1980's)
That should have said 'some time around 1980'.

Hmph... the reason Al Gore didn't give up, and the reason he shouldn't have given up, was that he didn't lose. And I'm not talking about the Electoral College vs. Popular Vote crap (as Al Gore definately won the popular vote, no one disputed that), but rather that Bush lost the vote in Florida as well. I am confident that more votes were cast intended for Al Gore than George Bush. The thousands of votes for Buchanan in one highly Democratic county were almost certainly incorrect. That alone cost Gore the election (even if you don't mention various other improprieties with voter registration, ballot counting, and overseas ballots), which makes it legitamately his.

Kerry gave up because it seems clear that he lost. The only question remains is was their fraud with the electronic voting. Did the Republicans steal the election again?

The CEO of Diebold said that he supported the Republicans, and that he was "comitted to delivering Ohio's electoral votes to the president." You'd think that would set off some alarm bells. Aren't the people making election equipment supposed to be unbiased?

More flaming. Mods, when are you going to do something about this type of hate-speech from the left?

I don't care what "the rest of the world" thinks. What other forums do you go to? Al-Jazeera? I'd like to know so I can forward the URLs to US intelligence services for monitoring.

Is that sarcasm? :D
I take it, it is. You had me laughing for a few minutes there!

The world does 'talk' and have 'opinions' you know and 'say what they think'.

Cool, thanks. I was looking for some more information on his background.
But I was only a year off when he was put into power-

That should have said 'some time around 1980'.

America didn't "put him in power." The Ba'athists seized power in a coup.