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I don't know about the rest of you Kerry guys, but for some reason after hearing what happened, I was really low and depressed. At school, some people were even crying in the halls. This feels like a day of mourning.

My first reaction was fear. Blatant fear. Usually, in competitions such as this, the opposition is bitter and angry. I'm not. I'm scared, sad and confused.

What has the world come to?

I can't relate to the people of my own country.

Hang in there as it's only 4 years.

Be prepared for a bunch of snotty comments for posting your feelings.

Yeah, I feel depressed now too.

And calling him George Hitler is an insult to Hitler. I don't know what to say other than that this is horrible.

The depression is real. Many people carried their hopes with this election, and got let down. I think it's mostly, on my part, because Kerry just layed down and gave up. Many say this is noble, but I am not one of them. The thing is, I knew way back when, that Bush would win. I was hoping I was wrong, but there you have it.

Yes, I'll admit I did not feel my best today...moment I saw the "Kerry concedes," on CNN, I was so depressed and angry it made me beat a Republican 20-2 in a foosball game...wow, I already feel better :p ...

You're not alone there. I've been talking to very depressed people all day, and heading out to the stores and seeing people dragging was just even more depressing. Up here in New England that depression is visible.

You all need to ask yourselves why you are so depressed.

Unrequited HATE, perhaps?

I don't know about the rest of you Kerry guys, but for some reason after hearing what happened, I was really low and depressed. At school, some people were even crying in the halls. This feels like a day of mourning.

My first reaction was fear. Blatant fear. Usually, in competitions such as this, the opposition is bitter and angry. I'm not. I'm scared, sad and confused.

What has the world come to?

I can't relate to the people of my own country.
Look, you are young. There are going to be more elections. Lets see if we can all work togehter now to get Iraq fixed, get the economic upswing going faster, and heal America.

You all need to ask yourselves why you are so depressed.

Unrequited HATE, perhaps?

And so it begins.....

Look, you are young. There are going to be more elections. Lets see if we can all work togehter now to get Iraq fixed, get the economic upswing going faster, and heal America.

And how do we do that?

It's not just America, the whole worlds depressed.

at least you voted... here in britton we had to hope and wait to find out who will be leading us in the future.... cause it sure aint Tony

Er, there were people crying because their guy lost an election? Sorry, but some people really have to get their priorities straight. I your depression thing is like how you feel after your team loses the Super Bowl in a close game. It'll go away tomorrow.

And how do we do that?
By joining with the right to work for America.

By joining with the right to work for America.
Sorry but they have a different version of America then I view.

But let's not go there.

Er, there were people crying because their guy lost an election? Sorry, but some people really have to get their priorities straight. I your depression thing is like how you feel after your team loses the Super Bowl in a close game. It'll go away tomorrow.

I think it could be argued that there is a slight difference. . .

Sorry but they have a different version of America then I view.

But let's not go there.
Fine, whatever.

Don't.

OK, just to pre-empt any nastiness here, I have seen other threads in which people expressed their sorrow get flamed, and that's not right. People are entitled to their sadness. If anyone posts here to gloat, I will be liberal with the Modnukes. Or should I say, neo-conservative? :p

Apologies for the interruption, as you were, guys.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

And so it begins.....

No, it began long ago, when the Bush haters invested such strong emotions in the outcome of this election. When a strong emotion, such as hate, is not "vindicated" or "fulfilled", then depression can result.

Clinically speaking, of course.

i'd be crying if kerry had won but I came back to here a day early to rub it in you faces BUSH WON ha the nation didn't like kerry more then bush we won the popular no more of you screaming illgitamancy haha freedom freedom yes I won't die yay!!!!
yeah now you'r all depressed but you know what I don't care, I hope you find solece in the fact that the cia netralizes a terroist threat a DAY.
Oh and kerry did well by laying down and taking it at least we aren't extremely pissed at you any more w00t ownt j00
BTW this is gloating their were no insults in there even if it makes you angry.

I find these threads all amazing. Bush was elected by a larger majority of the vote than any president since Reagan, and larger than many before him including Kennedy, Carter,Ford,etc. The American people spoke. There was going to be a loser and a winner, but it was up to us, at least in this country we have the right to do that.

OK, just to pre-empt any nastiness here, I have seen other threads in which people expressed their sorrow get flamed, and that's not right. People are entitled to their sadness. If anyone posts here to gloat, I will be liberal with the Modnukes. Or should I say, neo-conservative? :p

Apologies for the interruption, as you were, guys.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

No worries TG.

I try to not get petty. I wasn't planning to here.....

No, it began long ago, when the Bush haters invested such strong emotions in the outcome of this election. When a strong emotion, such as hate, is not "vindicated" or "fulfilled", then depression can result.

Clinically speaking, of course.

Ok. That's different then I expected.

Comment withdrawn.

For those who dedicated large portions of their time for the last few months of their lives the realization that their massive amounts of work has all come to naught.

I may be a Bush voter, but I fully understand what it must be like for the Democrats who dedicated huge amounts of time to the Kerry campaign, empathy is a vital ability for people.

I don't feel that one should be that depressed if you were a Kerry supporter, but non-volunteer. There is a natural sense of let down, but it shouldn't be as severe as it was for the volunteers.

I don't appreciate the angry statements. Where people say that America is going to fall apart since Bush is prez for four more years. America won't fail, WW3 won't occur, we won't sell our souls to corporations, we won't ban abortions, we won't put a national constitutional amendment against gay marriage, we won't turn into a Nazi state, we won't have any amendments repealed from the Constitution, it just won't be that bad. This anger is irrational. The election wasn't stolen, there are no charges that anyone cheated. Bush won the national popular vote by a big margin. He won the electoral vote. Nothing wrong.

Once again, I'm glad people are concerned and that people voted. I'm glad that you aren't emotionless machines. I just want to make sure that people aren't psycho angry.

OK, just to pre-empt any nastiness here, I have seen other threads in which people expressed their sorrow get flamed, and that's not right. People are entitled to their sadness. If anyone posts here to gloat, I will be liberal with the Modnukes. Or should I say, neo-conservative? :p

Apologies for the interruption, as you were, guys.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator
It should be just as natural for the winning side to be happy as for the losing side to be sad.
That said, I agree, gloating is ignorant, but a happy comment is not gloating any more than a sad one is flame baiting.

Its normal to be depressed when the candidate you are backing loses, particularly if you have a lot at stake. Personally, I'm glad Bush won, cause I sure don't want the Democrats to pass any laws letting someone decide my life is expendable, just like the innocent babies whose brains are sucked out.

I think its really worrying that there is so much hatred between the two sides. i mean, in england i have friends and family members that have completely different political views than i do and it doesn't bother me or anyone else.

And calling him George Hitler is an insult to Hitler. I don't know what to say other than that this is horrible.

:rolleyes:

Get a grip

I think its really worrying that there is so much hatred between the two sides. i mean, in england i have friends and family members that have completely different political views than i do and it doesn't bother me or anyone else.

The majority of my friends have vastly different political views from my own...and we get along just fine. There is just one rule: no politics when drinking.

The majority of my friends have vastly different political views from my own...and we get along just fine. There is just one rule: no politics when drinking.
Good rule :) And my fiancee even has different views than mine as well. America is not as divided as some of the more liberal ones hope to make it seem.

i'd be crying if kerry had won but I came back to here a day early to rub it in you faces BUSH WON ha the nation didn't like kerry more then bush we won the popular no more of you screaming illgitamancy haha freedom freedom yes I won't die yay!!!!
yeah now you'r all depressed but you know what I don't care, I hope you find solece in the fact that the cia netralizes a terroist threat a DAY.
Oh and kerry did well by laying down and taking it at least we aren't extremely pissed at you any more w00t ownt j00
BTW this is gloating their were no insults in there even if it makes you angry.
I think we can probably agree that this is gloating. You're warned.

EDIT: Actually, you know what? You're deleted.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

The majority of my friends have vastly different political views from my own...and we get along just fine. There is just one rule: no politics when drinking.

Sounds fair enough

I think we can probably agree that this is gloating. You're warned.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator
Not questioning you, mod, however, I am curious how you got to this persons post and warned them, while reading apparently right over the George Hitler remark? Just curious.

Commiserations, Americans. Just to let you know, we're thinking of you.

By the way, you're all welcome over in Britain :)

Not questioning you, mod, however, I am curious how you got to this persons post and warned them, while reading apparently right over the George Hitler remark? Just curious.
It's hardly in the same league. Being a Moderator is all about appreciating the difference between silliness you can roll your eyes at, and people deliberately annoying others.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

It's hardly in the same league. Being a Moderator is all about appreciating the difference between silliness you can roll your eyes at, and people deliberately annoying others.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator
Ok, I can understand that.

I don't appreciate the angry statements. Where people say that America is going to fall apart since Bush is prez for four more years. America won't fail, WW3 won't occur, we won't sell our souls to corporations, we won't ban abortions, we won't put a national constitutional amendment against gay marriage, we won't turn into a Nazi state, we won't have any amendments repealed from the Constitution, it just won't be that bad. This anger is irrational. The election wasn't stolen, there are no charges that anyone cheated. Bush won the national popular vote by a big margin. He won the electoral vote. Nothing wrong.

Once again, I'm glad people are concerned and that people voted. I'm glad that you aren't emotionless machines. I just want to make sure that people aren't psycho angry.

comments:
1) Failure is by definition. The deficet seems to have no end and how is the shrub going to curtail it with a the tax cut talk?
2) Gay marriage amendment: 11 States now have it in their constitutions. If more have it, why not the main one?
3) WW3? Well by the terms or massive armies in the fields? Sure. What is to say WW3 is not against Fundementalist Muslim terrorism?
4) Corporations? Well when you hear of litigation reform and then you hear about Merck(sp?) knew that viax(sp?) could cause heartattacks 3 years ago....
5) Amendments repealed?
6) Abortion. The hispanic fellow that the shrub wants is an arch conservative. It is rumored that 1 or 2 others want to retire so a conservative Court gives credence to the idea that Roe V Wade could be overturned.
7) Nazi state? Well not in the German sense but what of Patriot Act II?

I am not suggesting the above will happen, just saying that nobody should ever say "never"

:rolleyes:

Get a grip
Ok so Hitler was a little worse. But his ascent to power was very similar to what I see in the US. This concentration of power and the mix of religion and politics cant be healthy for the US. The country is deeply divided and hostility between both camps is evident. How this is supposed to be fixed, I have no idea.

It's hardly in the same league. Being a Moderator is all about appreciating the difference between silliness you can roll your eyes at, and people deliberately annoying others.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

Equating the duly elected President of the United States with Hitler is just "silliness you can roll your eyes at"??? OK, right...

How this is supposed to be fixed, I have no idea.

Non-Americans minding their own business would help greatly. All you people do is stir up the bad feelings. You may even be partially responsible for the large, motivated turn-out of conservatives at the polls yesterday.

Ok so Hitler was a little worse. But his ascent to power was very similar to what I see in the US. This concentration of power and the mix of religion and politics cant be healthy for the US. The country is deeply divided and hostility between both camps is evident. How this is supposed to be fixed, I have no idea.

This is kinda exaggerated but i get your meaning. the danger is there.

comments:
1) Failure is by definition. The deficet seems to have no end and how is the shrub going to curtail it with a the tax cut talk?
2) Gay marriage amendment: 11 States now have it in their constitutions. If more have it, why not the main one?
3) WW3? Well by the terms or massive armies in the fields? Sure. What is to say WW3 is not against Fundementalist Muslim terrorism?
4) Corporations? Well when you hear of litigation reform and then you hear about Merck(sp?) knew that viax(sp?) could cause heartattacks 3 years ago....
5) Amendments repealed?
6) Abortion. The hispanic fellow that the shrub wants is an arch conservative. It is rumored that 1 or 2 others want to retire so a conservative Court gives credence to the idea that Roe V Wade could be overturned.
7) Nazi state? Well not in the German sense but what of Patriot Act II?

I am not suggesting the above will happen, just saying that nobody should ever say "never"
If the majority of Americans preferred to outlaw abortion, then it should be so. Amendments being repealed?which ones? the ones that were in danger were in danger from liberals(gun ownership,2nd amendment) etc.
Patriot Act...many outside(and inside)the US do not understand this...it did not add ANY laws,etc...it simply allowed for the same laws used against organized crime, to apply to terrorism.
WW3 vs Islamic Fundamentalism? Probably this is already on, but if so, it is not bad, and we did not start it.

Non-Americans minding their own business would help greatly. All you people do is stir up the bad feelings. You may even be partially responsible for the large, motivated turn-out of conservatives at the polls yesterday.
They were quite responsible. Many of the Bush votes I know, were because of Britains interference (via the Guardians letter writing campaign in Ohio) as well as many who saw strong anti-American,pro-Kerry supporters, and realized that the person with the support of those who hate our country, was perhaps not the best person to have. The latter was one of my own defining issues as well.

Non-Americans minding their own business would help greatly. All you people do is stir up the bad feelings. You may even be partially responsible for the large, motivated turn-out of conservatives at the polls yesterday.

This IS our business. We are talking about the most powerful man in the world. It affects everyone and therefore we have the right to discuss it. Non-Americans are not responsible for the bad feelings, like i said earlier, in England there seems to be less bitching between people of different political views, its in America where you get the scary patriotism.

Equating the duly elected President of the United States with Hitler is just "silliness you can roll your eyes at"??? OK, right...
I understood that that viewpoint was far from the middle also, but most already know gigatron as a virulent anti-American, so I actually can roll my eyes somewhat at a person I used to have respect for.

If the majority of Americans preferred to outlaw abortion, then it should be so. Amendments being repealed?which ones? the ones that were in danger were in danger from liberals(gun ownership,2nd amendment) etc.
Patriot Act...many outside(and inside)the US do not understand this...it did not add ANY laws,etc...it simply allowed for the same laws used against organized crime, to apply to terrorism.
WW3 vs Islamic Fundamentalism? Probably this is already on, but if so, it is not bad, and we did not start it.

Abortion: But that's the point. It won't be put to the Americans it will probably go to the court.

The amendment question was just that. I didn't know what he meant.

Someone told me that the Patriot Act has primarily been used against drug crime and not terrorism. If that is the case, then the abuse capabilities can happen.

WW3: Well there are many that would argue that we started it with our unquestioned support of Israel. The Arabs probably would not be so pissed if we bitched Israel out from time to time.

This IS our business. We are talking about the most powerful man in the world. It affects everyone and therefore we have the right to discuss it. Non-Americans are not responsible for the bad feelings, like i said earlier, in England there seems to be less bitching between people of different political views, its in America where you get the scary patriotism.
I beg to differ, patriotism is not scary, it has saved BOTH of our countries before.

I understood that that viewpoint was far from the middle also, but most already know gigatron as a virulent anti-American, so I actually can roll my eyes somewhat at a person I used to have respect for.
Anti-Bush and Anti-Neo-Con and Anti-American-Imperialism. Not Anti-American. :) Make America the rather good country it used to be before 9/11 and I'll be happy.

I beg to differ, patriotism is not scary, it has saved BOTH of our countries before.

It's good in small doses but too much of it is scary and leads to a 'we are better than you' attitude. I am very proud of my country and like that we celebrate our heritage and individuality, i am just opposed to that attitude.

Abortion: But that's the point. It won't be put to the Americans it will probably go to the court.

The amendment question was just that. I didn't know what he meant.

Someone told me that the Patriot Act has primarily been used against drug crime and not terrorism. If that is the case, then the abuse capabilities can happen.

WW3: Well there are many that would argue that we started it with our unquestioned support of Israel. The Arabs probably would not be so pissed if we bitched Israel out from time to time.
Abortion, right now, already HAS been decided in the courts, its supporters dont seem to mind this however, only if it may be decided again. Roe v Wade overturned laws passed by the people outlawing abortion.
The Patriot Act, yes, used against drug dealers and other organized crime, it was used there long before Patriot Act, Patriot Act only allowed its use against terrorists, after it has already been used domestically against criminals for years.
WW3, Yes, perhaps we should question Israel more, however, they are in a day to day fight with terrorists themselves, and the nations surrounding them, have several times in recent history, attempted to wipe them out, they are the only working democracy in the region, so yes, remember, they ,for the most part at least, are the "good guys", while Arafat is someone who gained notoriety long ago as a terrorist, the first person to use air-hijacking as a weapon, the mastermind of the massacre of Israeli athletes in the Olympics, and of 10,000 christians in Lebanon, etc.

you do know that banning that guy was rather illogical think about it homophobe and bigot are over passable while a brag is considered EVIL
if you like to know I think the reason why you don't ban those guys is you would have to ban over 90% of the forum.
Braces Self for a banning and a deletion of this message.

I know that dude in real-life. he mentions this site over and over again and he mentions how pissed he gets I'm the post even said why he was happy, and he had no warning before ever his first account got banned for no reason during the days of the IP ban and this one gets banned without warning although he thanks you for at least telling him you banned him the last time he was banned he didn't even know who or why. Although he says that ban was completely unfair he was called a cruel man a jerk and someone who tried to enforce his religion a homophobe the list goes on. Bias is no apology if some one can’t get away with being happy and showing a bit of ha I don’t care-ish then why pray tell can some get away with calling bush worse then Hitler that’s no joke that’s a real insult with real meaning.

Anti-Bush and Anti-Neo-Con and Anti-American-Imperialism. Not Anti-American. :) Make America the rather good country it used to be before 9/11 and I'll be happy.
The country before 9/11 was a large part of the reason 3,000+ people went to work that morning and died there.

This IS our business. We are talking about the most powerful man in the world. It affects everyone and therefore we have the right to discuss it. Non-Americans are not responsible for the bad feelings, like i said earlier, in England there seems to be less bitching between people of different political views, its in America where you get the scary patriotism.

It's NOT your business. You have no say in our elections or our government's policies. I could easily say that Britain's policies affect Americans, so we should meddle in your elections. Every country's policies affect every other country; your argument is specious.

Anti-Bush and Anti-Neo-Con and Anti-American-Imperialism. Not Anti-American. :) Make America the rather good country it used to be before 9/11 and I'll be happy.

Oh, so now 9/11 made AMERICA the bad guys, huh? The fanatical Muslim terrorists are not the bad guys, America is. That's f*cking twisted, dude.

The country before 9/11 was a large part of the reason 3,000+ people went to work that morning and died there.
The country before 9/11 was the US we all liked and admired. What America is now is scary. A police-state with a big brother watchdog and no remorseto use it's military to force it's agenda on other countries. I think inflaming terrorism all over the planet is not good for the US. Instead, you should have made sure that terrorism is being fought at the root by removing inequality, poverty, unemployment etc etc. But I see you fail to do that in your own country on a grand scale, so where do you take the confidence that you could do it elsewhere?

All the US achieved during the last 4 years is an increase in terrorism, more nuclear proliferation, violation of human rights by the US in the public eye, the US losing it's position as the moral/democratic leader of the world due to this, ignoring the UN, abuse of it's military, a long drawn out war against terrorism which is resembling a propaganda war of epic proportions...

How can this be good to be exported into the world? Your president (Bush) lacks support all over the world. This election has been a great disappointment for billions of people worldwide. How do you think will Bush fix the deep divisions between Americans, between the US and other countries and the clash of cultures between Christianity and Islam? If anything, he'll make it worse. And I am very worried about the outcome of these 4 years.

How do you think will Bush fix...the clash of cultures between Christianity and Islam?

Don't you think fanatical Muslim terrorists will continue the clash also? Oh, I forgot, they're OK, it's America that is evil.

Instead, you should have made sure that terrorism is being fought at the root by removing inequality, poverty, unemployment etc etc.

Translation: You Americans have too much money, you should give most of it to sh*t-hole countries, preferably mine.

I didn't know I was being an asshole by expressing a feeling but...

The reason I am particularly sad is because I spent a lot of time volunteering to help Kerry win and I actually thought he was. Can't the half of America that voted for Bush at least agree that it might be a big let-down for us?

You may not agree with me, but I think this is the beginning of the end.

BF, you forgot to add the part about how it's America's responibility - nay, moral obligation - to provide that future for the entire world.

Don't you think fanatical Muslim terrorists will continue the clash also? Oh, I forgot, they're OK, it's America that is evil.

Oh yeah, I'm sure you would love to get those damn towelheads in a room because those damn Muslims are evil, eh?

And America isn't evil, only big brother.

BF, you forgot to add the part about how it's America's responibility - nay, moral obligation - to provide that future for the entire world.
As I said. Not worth it.

As I said. Not worth it.

Are you denying that those who spout the "fight terrorism by getting rid of poverty" line are implying that America foot the bill?

Oh yeah, I'm sure you would love to get those damn towelheads in a room because those damn Muslims are evil, eh?

And America isn't evil, only big brother.

You are implying I am a racist, which is incorrect and offensive.

I merely have no problem identifying an enemy who desires and intends to kill me.

Commiserations, Americans. Just to let you know, we're thinking of you.

By the way, you're all welcome over in Britain :)


Ok, if the Americans are welcome in the UK... WHY can't we find a way for my partner and me to be together here? It's just about impossible.

(frustrated UKer)

I can't help but feel I am witnessing history in the making, where I am seeing the last days of America as a United States unfold. Kerry would have given America a brief reprieve from the rest of the world and maybe even Al Qaeda in my opinion, but now all I can do is hope that there's still an America left standing for a 2008 election.

I also see how most of the gloating self-proclaimed Republicans on the forum are exhibiting symptoms of the "It's Not Happening To Me" disease which enables indifference to the misfortune of others and justify them by various reasons.

Unless the moderate Republicans and the TRUE conservatives join forces, rise up and put a leash on Shrub, this country will have a good chance of literally taking on the entire world in a conflict it cannot hope to win, or at least win with negligible casualties.

I hear the more reasoned Republicans saying that moderated and liberals should work with them to take care of the country's problems. Unfortunately, I see Shrub and his cronies as being too indebted to the Neo Con Religious Right and the major corporations politically to do anything but virtually shut out all other opposing views, whether it comes to legislating laws or interpreting them.

I can't help but feel I am witnessing history in the making, where I am seeing the last days of America as a United States unfold. Kerry would have given America a brief reprieve from the rest of the world and maybe even Al Qaeda in my opinion, but now all I can do is hope that there's still an America left standing for a 2008 election.

I also see how most of the gloating self-proclaimed Republicans on the forum are exhibiting symptoms of the "It's Not Happening To Me" disease which enables indifference to the misfortune of others and justify them by various reasons.

Unless the moderate Republicans and the TRUE conservatives join forces, rise up and put a leash on Shrub, this country will have a good chance of literally taking on the entire world in a conflict it cannot hope to win, or at least win with negligible casualties.

I hear the more reasoned Republicans saying that moderated and liberals should work with them to take care of the country's problems. Unfortunately, I see Shrub and his cronies as being too indebted to the Neo Con Religious Right and the major corporations politically to do anything but virtually shut out all other opposing views, whether it comes to legislating laws or interpreting them.

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom, the sky is falling...

Doesn't it suck to go through life feeling that way?

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom, the sky is falling...

Doesn't it suck to go through life feeling that way?

You know, Hitler didn't start out as "Hitler".

Klemperer's diary is eerily similar to what's going on now...

You know, Hitler didn't start out as "Hitler".

Klemperer's diary is eerily similar to what's going on now...

Werner Klemperer? Serious question here, no joke at all.

I don't know about the rest of you Kerry guys, but for some reason after hearing what happened, I was really low and depressed. At school, some people were even crying in the halls. This feels like a day of mourning.

My first reaction was fear. Blatant fear. Usually, in competitions such as this, the opposition is bitter and angry. I'm not. I'm scared, sad and confused.

What has the world come to?

I can't relate to the people of my own country.

Sure you can (relate to people of your own country).

It's EXACTLY the way that the opponents of Clinton felt when he was elected a second time.

Don't worry,.. be happy.

It'll all be over when you grow up.

I've been in a funk all day long. Been swaying back and forth between fear for the future, revulsion that Bush's tactics worked, anger at Kerry for giving up easily, and sadness that Kerry lost.

It's been a loooooooooong day.

And it's gonna be a long 4 years. I've got my fingers crossed for an uneventful 4 years.

I've been in a funk all day long. Been swaying back and forth between fear for the future, revulsion that Bush's tactics worked, anger at Kerry for giving up easily, and sadness that Kerry lost.

It's been a loooooooooong day.

And it's gonna be a long 4 years. I've got my fingers crossed for an uneventful 4 years.

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