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There might be a better strategy (http://www.informedpublic.com/2004/11/oh-canada.html).

LOL, I love it!

lamo. that's not a bad idea

*giggle* I like!

By all means. I'm sure Canada would welcome them with open arms.

I was just lamenting the fact that my family can't afford to move to Canada, but I guess this would solve that problem!

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Hell, I'm in Illinois, and I would welcome Canada. Let's see where all of those red states would be without the blue ones.

It makes me think of an old stupid song lyric:

If the South would have won we would have had it made.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

When we... join up with Canada? o.O


Please, I know it's hard, but try to RTFA before posting.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

You are warned for flamebait.

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Tactical Grace
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I say the Blue states just go ahead and secede. We don't need to join Canada, the Blue states on here would still be by far the most powerful economic nation in the world. I'm not even sure if the red by themselves match Canada, Japan, or Germany.

Nice try. But the electoral votes of a state are based on population, not on the amount of frozen tundra and uninhabited wasteland.

When we... join up with Canada? o.O


Please, I know it's hard, but try to RTFA before posting.
RTFA? You actually call that an Article? I assumed that's what the A stood for i your reply. Since what this picture suggests is far far from reality, and if all of Canada is a democratic nation as the image suggests, then my original reply stands.
As for the moderator warning me for flamebait, anything a convservative says on this heavily liberal forum is flamebait.
My reply is out of much frustration. I cannot tell you how many times I've heard this already, "better move to Canada now", "America is dead now". It's very tiring. So, I simply say to those who think they'd be better off in another country, farewell.

And with as much as the people from those states obviously despise us, there probably won't be a war over the secession.

My reply is out of much frustration. I cannot tell you how many times I've heard this already, "better move to Canada now", "America is dead now". It's very tiring. So, I simply say to those who think they'd be better off in another country, farewell.
The thing is, I have specifically banned discussion of that subject in this forum. Suggesting that people who don't like living in America move out, in a hostile tone, is now grounds for an official warning.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

Wait - are you talking about Canada becoming part of the US, or what...we get kind of excitable about these sorts of things, in case you were wondering...you know, sovereignty and finicky lil' details like that...

[QUOTE=Tactical Grace]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waynesburg
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.



You are warned for flamebait.

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Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

Who are these fnoorkin' fascist "moderators"..!?

What an ASS..!

I imagine it's just the "leftist counter-reaction" to the Bush victory.

If they lose, they get VERY pissy with what they CAN control.

And liberties will fall. Censorship is SO admirable in a supposed public forum.

You got a problem with my words, "just turn the fnoorkin' channel" asshole.

By the way, I too am an asshole, self-admittedly. I'm also rude and very VERY provocative,.. which is the only thing interesting about this so-called "game".

[QUOTE=Tactical Grace #15]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waynesburg
My reply is out of much frustration. I cannot tell you how many times I've heard this already, "better move to Canada now", "America is dead now". It's very tiring. So, I simply say to those who think they'd be better off in another country, farewell.


The thing is, I have specifically banned discussion of that subject in this forum. Suggesting that people who don't like living in America move out, in a hostile tone, is now grounds for an official warning.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

What forum would that discussion be in then..?

I find it funny that the right wins,.. and the left becomes more fascist.

Very interesting dynamic. :D

Wait - are you talking about Canada becoming part of the US, or what...we get kind of excitable about these sorts of things, in case you were wondering...you know, sovereignty and finicky lil' details like that...
Yeah, I think it would be much better if the US joined Canada and adopted the multi-party parliamentary system. And the money, which is much cooler.

Who are these fnoorkin' fascist "moderators"..!?

What an ASS..!

I imagine it's just the "leftist counter-reaction" to the Bush victory.

If they lose, they get VERY pissy with what they CAN control.

And liberties will fall. Censorship is SO admirable in a supposed public forum.

You got a problem with my words, "just turn the fnoorkin' channel" asshole.

By the way, I too am an asshole, self-admittedly. I'm also rude and very VERY provocative,.. which is the only thing interesting about this so-called "game".


I'm sorry, you lose.

You vs. mods- you get exactly 0 electoral votes.

You wanna be hostile, "'just turn the fnoorkin' channel' asshole" (Whatever that means o.O) It's hardly fascist to want to ensure a certain standard of civility to this discourse.

Anyway... For you adamant right wingers, or defensive liberals, or Canadians fearing annexation (sorry about that)... Yeah, this is a joke. It's supposed to be funny. Laugh, dammit :rolleyes:

Ugh I dont like canada lol

So many people suggested moving to Canada.

i like the idea of them joining though

Hurhurhur, I have deleted you. Should you come back to read this, here are a few things you should bear in mind.

1) The FAQ for this site specifically says that this is not a democracy. You are not entitled to free speech. If I choose to ban a certain subject from the forums, I can do that. Only Admin can overturn it.

2) I am not left-wing. I am centrist, and in fact right-leaning on a number of issues.

3) Flaming of that sort, especially directed at Moderation staff, is pretty futile.

4) I will not change the channel, I will confiscate your TV.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

[QUOTE=Adrica #20]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurhurhur
Who are these fnoorkin' fascist "moderators"..!?

What an ASS..!

I imagine it's just the "leftist counter-reaction" to the Bush victory.

If they lose, they get VERY pissy with what they CAN control.

And liberties will fall. Censorship is SO admirable in a supposed public forum.

You got a problem with my words, "just turn the fnoorkin' channel" asshole.

By the way, I too am an asshole, self-admittedly. I'm also rude and very VERY provocative,.. which is the only thing interesting about this so-called "game".




I'm sorry, you lose.

You vs. mods- you get exactly 0 electoral votes.

You wanna be hostile, "'just turn the fnoorkin' channel' asshole" (Whatever that means o.O) It's hardly fascist to want to ensure a certain standard of civility to this discourse.

Anyway... For you adamant right wingers, or defensive liberals, or Canadians fearing annexation (sorry about that)... Yeah, this is a joke. It's supposed to be funny. Laugh, dammit

Heh he he he..!! So true. This is NOT a democracy..!

And I AM laughing..!! :D

..onward to more getting banned, then..!

(( Let's see,.. this makes 4 times in the last day and a half...? Yup..! :D ))

[QUOTE=Tactical Grace #23]
Hurhurhur, I have deleted you. Should you come back to read this, here are a few things you should bear in mind.

1) The FAQ for this site specifically says that this is not a democracy. You are not entitled to free speech. If I choose to ban a certain subject from the forums, I can do that. Only Admin can overturn it.

2) I am not left-wing. I am centrist, and in fact right-leaning on a number of issues.

3) Flaming of that sort, especially directed at Moderation staff, is pretty futile.

4) I will not change the channel, I will confiscate your TV.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

Futility is my trademark, as futility shines light on the absurd, as the concept of the asymptote shines light on some intrinsic limit.

These "tv's" are very cheap. Have fun with my old one. :D

Hurhurhur, I have deleted you. Should you come back to read this, here are a few things you should bear in mind.

1) The FAQ for this site specifically says that this is not a democracy. You are not entitled to free speech. If I choose to ban a certain subject from the forums, I can do that. Only Admin can overturn it.

2) I am not left-wing. I am centrist, and in fact right-leaning on a number of issues.

3) Flaming of that sort, especially directed at Moderation staff, is pretty futile.

4) I will not change the channel, I will confiscate your TV.

Tactical Grace

Game Moderator

Oh snap!!! More badass than Thundercleese!!!!

Heh he he he..!! So true. This is NOT a democracy..!

And I AM laughing..!! :D

..onward to more getting banned, then..!

(( Let's see,.. this makes 4 times in the last day and a half...? Yup..! :D ))

I think you should just ponder on the amount of work it takes to make a new username compared to the amount of work it takes a mod to delete it. Just ponder on that.


Oh, and please make another thread if you have to be like this.

I'll try to get this back on topic:

I'm considering going to college in Canada- it's cheaper than down here in the States, and it'll look better when I apply for citizenship.

I suppose Canada and the USA may as well be unified. Apart from the fact that the British monarch is still Canada's head of state, there are no real differences between Canada and the USA.

I'll try to get this back on topic:

I'm considering going to college in Canada- it's cheaper than down here in the States, and it'll look better when I apply for citizenship.

I wish I would have considered that decision. Now, I'm stuck in southern Illinois surrounded by red states and red people for another 9 months. We might all be DEAD in 9 months. :eek:

not really

Alberta would must likely be in the red

I suppose Canada and the USA may as well be unified. Apart from the fact that the British monarch is still Canada's head of state, there are no real differences between Canada and the USA.
Hmmm... on the contrary. There a lot of differences, from social issues, to ideology, how they see themselves, the political system, etc.

It's a very different place. Some may say even foreign :)

I live in Canada and it's not the way you imagine it.

1) First off we only have about 30 million people, that's only about a tenth of America's population (give or take). So it wouldn't make that much of a difference.

2) The Canadian identity is often little more then: we are not American. There is no way enough popular support could be raised in Canada to support such a move.

3) Canada is having a hard enough time keeping itself together. A good portion of the population in Quebec wants to seperate, and this will only be worsened by a union with America. As well there has been some talk of Alberta seperating (although not too much.

4) It wouldn't help the democrats as much as you think. The Bloc Quebecois would join American national politics and would get most of the Quebec vote. Alberta and Saskatchewan would vote Republican. Manitoba and BC would have large segments voting for the Green party (Enough probably to give the Republicans a win in those provinces). All the democrats would really get would be Ontario and the Atlantic provinces.

Ugh I dont like canada lol

And Canada doesn't like you.


Folks, Canada would welcome the North Eastern States and Pacific Coast with open arms. Together we can make an awesome economy. Oh, by the way, over the past two years (while G.W. Bush has been in office) $1 USD = 60 Cents Canadian. Now, its $1 USD = 82 Cents Canadian. Just imagine what will happen when Bush's next four years are up :D. Soon we will be traveling to the US for cheap! Woo. Hoo.

We don't want New York. can we trade it for Alaska?

I live in Canada and it's not the way you imagine it.

1) First off we only have about 30 million people, that's only about a tenth of America's population (give or take). So it wouldn't make that much of a difference.

2) The Canadian identity is often little more then: we are not American. There is no way enough popular support could be raised in Canada to support such a move.

3) Canada is having a hard enough time keeping itself together. A good portion of the population in Quebec wants to seperate, and this will only be worsened by a union with America. As well there has been some talk of Alberta seperating (although not too much.

4) It wouldn't help the democrats as much as you think. The Bloc Quebecois would join American national politics and would get most of the Quebec vote. Alberta and Saskatchewan would vote Republican. Manitoba and BC would have large segments voting for the Green party (Enough probably to give the Republicans a win in those provinces). All the democrats would really get would be Ontario and the Atlantic provinces.

Not quite. Albertan seperation has died down, and Bloc Quebecois has died down quite a bit. Although they did get more seats then the NDP, but thats to be expected because no one likes NDP. Green Party will never have a major influence in elections, the only major third/fourth party that will is NDP or Bloc Quebecois, and even then, not likely. Conservatives are on the way out in Canada, but only time will tell when we get to that new election, when we can ACTUALLY vote in a Prime Minister, and not just have Paul Martin dumped in our laps.

"Canada is having a hard enough time keeping itself together. A good portion of the population in Quebec wants to seperate, and this will only be worsened by a union with America. As well there has been some talk of Alberta seperating (although not too much."

I would'nt call it a "good portion". Most want to stay with Canada.

I may be the only one but I think the implication in the picture was for the "Kerry" states to become part of Canada while the Bush states would remain the good ol' USA. Which I really wouldn't mind. Living in Canada would be pretty cool.

"Canada is having a hard enough time keeping itself together. A good portion of the population in Quebec wants to seperate, and this will only be worsened by a union with America. As well there has been some talk of Alberta seperating (although not too much."

I would'nt call it a "good portion". Most want to stay with Canada.

During the referendum in the 90's it was split pretty near evenly the difference was less than 10%. It has probably fallen some since then but even if it's only 25% supporting secession, that's still a good portion.

Move to Canada?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-Wait, no Texas?
I say time to go.

Nah. I'd say a good portion would be 51%. Only when its 50.999999999% will I care what Quebec has to say. There are a few Quebecers that just don't understand how much better they are treated then the rest of Canada, but the majority do, and like it. Besides, Quebec is useless without the Atlantic Provinces... since we could inforce some form of tax going into the St. Lawrence :D


Oh, and in an Election, a split of 5 to 8% isn't really that close....

Not quite. Albertan seperation has died down, and Bloc Quebecois has died down quite a bit. Although they did get more seats then the NDP, but thats to be expected because no one likes NDP. Green Party will never have a major influence in elections, the only major third/fourth party that will is NDP or Bloc Quebecois, and even then, not likely. Conservatives are on the way out in Canada, but only time will tell when we get to that new election, when we can ACTUALLY vote in a Prime Minister, and not just have Paul Martin dumped in our laps.

Albertan seperation was never that big, but it does exist among some groups. If Canada joined with America the Bloc would see a huge uprising. The Quebecois may tolerate Canada, but I doubt they'd tolerate America in the least.

As for the Greens. I meant the American Green Party. If we joined with America the NDP (and most of their vote) would probably merge with the American Green Party.

Conservatism is not on the way out. It experienced a major setback due to the idiocy and corruption of Mulroney, and then was damaged even more by the fighting between the two conservative parties and the many attempts to Unite the Right, but now that the right is united it will heal after a while and make a comeback.

Here are a few resources for those contemplating the leap.
Canadian Immigration Council (I believe) (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html), Canadian Immigration lawers, (http://www.immigration.ca/) Really, this is all just the first page of the google search, save some steps.... (http://www.google.com/search?q=canadian+immigration&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)

And the ex-pat website escape artist.com (http://escapeartist.com/)
Actually it seems more just a way for people to 'retire' elsewhere...but thats not how you have to use it.

And heres why: Hurhurhur. To quote the Simpsons, the crackpots have spoken. Before I came to work today I saw the talking heads on the tv talking about them not needing to reach out, not needing to be gracious victors but to run ripshod over those, the 49% who did not agree. Victory is dominance. I did what I could, I made the arguments I could make and voted the way I believed. The majority did not agree, and have now made it clear that what I believe or value is not relivant, will not be considered.

Thing is, I don't agree with the mandate, I don't agree with what he is going to do with the next four years, I cannot endorse it nor can I anymore influence it. So, I have to look into leaving. It's difficult, I don't know that I will be able to pull it off. But that is the choice I'm left with.

Artitsa, are you from the atlantic provinces?

The thing is, I have specifically banned discussion of that subject in this forum. Suggesting that people who don't like living in America move out, in a hostile tone, is now grounds for an official warning.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator
Wow!

*shakes head and walks awy*

Albertan seperation was never that big, but it does exist among some groups. If Canada joined with America the Bloc would see a huge uprising. The Quebecois may tolerate Canada, but I doubt they'd tolerate America in the least.

Then you don't know the Quebecois separatists...funny way of looking at things. Not funny ha-ha so much as funny weird.

Ontario, but I like to talk about the Atlantic Provinces like I actually know something, even though I don't. But trust me, Canada would find a way to strike back against a independant Quebec, simply because of the strain it would place on Canada. Just think of having to travel to the Maritime Provinces...

Ontario, but I like to talk about the Atlantic Provinces like I actually know something, even though I don't. But trust me, Canada would find a way to strike back against a independant Quebec, simply because of the strain it would place on Canada. Just think of having to travel to the Maritime Provinces...
Weren't Newfies excited about Quebec separation because then it would be a much shorter drive to Toronto?

Haha, real funny.

Wow it's like re-establishing the CSA, but giving them everything West of the Mississippi (Except the parts on the Coast) as well as OH, IN, WV and KY.

The South hath Risen again! :cool:

I think you're all taking this way too seriously.
But honestly, if I didn't love my dogs so much, I'd transfer to a school in Canada.

I may be the only one but I think the implication in the picture was for the "Kerry" states to become part of Canada while the Bush states would remain the good ol' USA. Which I really wouldn't mind. Living in Canada would be pretty cool.

Yeah, that was the intention of the designer. I'm glad someone at least got it :P

I'm a Floridian, if you blue states want to leave then by all means leave. Go to Canada and live in unrestricted Liberal bliss. Just leave us Right-Wing Nut Jobs alone.


I'm Kyle Fritz and I approved this message...

Kyle Fritz, I'm an eighth generation floridian. You need to leave my state. Thanks.

Hmm...isn't the Prime Minister of Canada a conservative?

But since the Blue States get to join up with Canada, then Australia and Britain get to join up with the US right?

Hehe, the Red States would so conquer the blues... ;)

crazy people...

[QUOTE=Tactical Grace #15]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waynesburg
My reply is out of much frustration. I cannot tell you how many times I've heard this already, "better move to Canada now", "America is dead now". It's very tiring. So, I simply say to those who think they'd be better off in another country, farewell.


The thing is, I have specifically banned discussion of that subject in this forum. Suggesting that people who don't like living in America move out, in a hostile tone, is now grounds for an official warning.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

What forum would that discussion be in then..?

I find it funny that the right wins,.. and the left becomes more fascist.

Very interesting dynamic. :D

And the clouds part to reveal the true sun..... :rolleyes:

It is sad isn't it? I've also noticed for quite some time the vitriol from the left surrounding what they say is the conservatives so-called willingness to supress free speech. However, The Great and Powerful Oz is silent when cosnservatives are debased as "nut jobs", "Red Necks", etc. One could certainly be correct when stating, "This is no Democracy."

Shame..... :(

Semper Fi! Marine Corps Vet, Fighting for your right to be wrong.

There might be a better strategy (http://www.informedpublic.com/2004/11/oh-canada.html).
Based on TG edict about any wellwished to the fleeing being flame, dosn't this whole thread constitute a flamebait?

If the blues go to Canada, New York City would be divided, because the southernmost island is red and the rest is blue. Staten Island rocks

I like the idea and Canada (seeing as the Democrats would get almost all of it) would have just enough population to make up eonough electoral votes to allow the Democrats to drop some of the current battle ground states. I think it would work.

4) It wouldn't help the democrats as much as you think. The Bloc Quebecois would join American national politics and would get most of the Quebec vote. Alberta and Saskatchewan would vote Republican. Manitoba and BC would have large segments voting for the Green party (Enough probably to give the Republicans a win in those provinces). All the democrats would really get would be Ontario and the Atlantic provinces.
80% of all Canadians are Pro-Kerry. This includes Alberta and Saskatchewan. Just because we vote "Conservative" in our own federal election doesn't mean we would vote Republican in the U.S.

Canadian Politics are vastly differant, both main parties essentially being a little right of center.

Beautiful British Columbia here.

Canada would love to have all your huddled masses of Kerry States.
But you need to know the worse before you make the decision.

1. Canadian Elections are over when the polls close in Ontario
2. A looney is a dollar coin, not a reference to any political figure.
3. Every sentence must end with the word "Eh" unless you choose Newfoundland.
4. We have 4 seasons. Almost hockey, hockey, still hockey and 3 months of poor dog sledding.
5. Don Cherry is "must see TV"
6. All products are packaged in French and English. The grocery store will always have the French side facing out (Unless you live in Quebec in which case the reverse is true)
7. We have a Senate as well, and trust me, you don't want to know.

Any one else have anything I've missed.

You guys would have to change your whole election system, and hate to break it to you, but the Crown would own you and everything in your state if you joined Confederation. On the bright side Paul Martin could slay your states deficit in less than 4 years.

I wish I would have considered that decision. Now, I'm stuck in southern Illinois surrounded by red states and red people for another 9 months. We might all be DEAD in 9 months. :eek:

not really

Illinois would have to be split in two w/ North of I-80 going to Canada and South of I-80 Staying put.

You wouldn't be by EIU would you?

Well, I thought it was extremely funny.

By the way, I would just like to point out to Tactical Grace that I believe an American telling another American they are welcome to leave the country is no less civil than another American insulting our entire nation, turning his back on it, and moving to another country entirely. Honestly, I do believe there should be a ban on both or neither, as it hardly seems fair. It is, of course, possible that I may be deated for this, regardless of the fact that I have been around, with different names, for quite some time on these forums. However, I want to assure you that I am simply pointing out what appears to be a rather one-sided ban.

Honestly, I think we should recognize the strange dichotomy between the heartland and the two coastal regions. It is a very strange picture, if you think about it. After all, why should the two opposite sides of the country be out of sync with the rest of the country? Is it simply a result of higher population? Or is there another reason? It seems to be truly sinister, in my opinion. it is a rather frightening thought, to know that although a majority of the country is conservative, we have two parts that are distinctly disparate from the rest of the nation. Not only that, but hostility continues to rise between the Republicans and Democrats in our nation. A perfect example is the DeMint Tenenbaum election race. I'd suggest we find a common ground before our differences really do tear our nation apart.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/canada.us.reut/index.html

Forgot to mention. Canada has a 3 parties, (4 if you count Quebec)

Forgot to mention. Canada has a 3 parties, (4 if you count Quebec)
And an independant in the House of Commons may hold the balance of power, if a vote ever divides along the right lines. Go, Chuck!

And an independant in the House of Commons may hold the balance of power, if a vote ever divides along the right lines. Go, Chuck!

And the Americans thought they had close elections.
Chuck can pretty well write his own cheque, bet the Conservatives regret dumping him from the party in favour of a "culture appropriate" candidate.

For you Americans who dont know, Canada now has a minority Liberal Government. Thus the Liberals have no choice but to be bipartisan or risk losing a non confidence vote, which triggers another general election.

Well at least Canada is getting the smart Americans, the one's that knew Bush was scum. I'd feel REALLY bad for Canada if Kerry had won the election and all the Bush supporters left.

Well at least Canada is getting the smart Americans, the one's that knew Bush was scum. I'd feel REALLY bad for Canada if Kerry had won the election and all the Bush supporters left.

Wouldn't happen, we have anti-dumping laws too

Yeah, I think it would be much better if the US joined Canada and adopted the multi-party parliamentary system. And the money, which is much cooler.Yup, though we don't have that many parties with a hope of winning seats. And we've got similar issues with corruption. But we do have a head of state that doesn't try to rule. Much better than a president. I know the U.S. isn't going to go for a monachy of any sort, their citizens tend to be pretty allergic to that sort of thing. But perhaps they could have a bald eagle as head of state.
Oh, by the way, over the past two years (while G.W. Bush has been in office) $1 USD = 60 Cents Canadian. Now, its $1 USD = 82 Cents Canadian. Just imagine what will happen when Bush's next four years are up :D. Soon we will be traveling to the US for cheap! Woo. Hoo.Not good. When the effects of Bush's economic policies begin to really be felt a few years from now, our economy will go down the crapper too. Our economy is just too linked to the U.S. economy.

Forgot to mention. Canada has a 3 parties, (4 if you count Quebec)

Actually, there are over 20... The only ones that wield any real power are the Liberals (currently in power), the Conservatives (official opposition), and to a lesser degree, the NDP and the Bloc. And then there's Chuck.

Actually, there are over 20... The only ones that wield any real power are the Liberals (currently in power), the Conservatives (official opposition), and to a lesser degree, the NDP and the Bloc. And then there's Chuck.
I was refering to parties considered "electable" Liberal, Conservative, New Democrats and Bloc Quebecois. Every country has the fringe parties with minimal chance of being elected. Some electable parties dissapear ie the Socreds.

There might be a better strategy (http://www.informedpublic.com/2004/11/oh-canada.html).

you won't be missed...

Illinois would have to be split in two w/ North of I-80 going to Canada and South of I-80 Staying put.

You wouldn't be by EIU would you?

I go to SIU, but live on the eastern side of the state, pretty far south of of Eastern, though.

Well...all I can say is that Bush won, and so obviously there are people who support him. Not everything is Bush's personal fault either, you also have a congress to blame of you don't like the way the US is going. Since Bush won the popular vote, you can't blame it on the electoral college this time. If you have a problem with America, well...if you want to move to Canada, be my guest. This is a free country. But I would start off by voting, if you are eligible, and by doing everything you can to get your candidate elected; and that includes candidates for senator and representative.

Because, if you can vote, and didn't, you have no right to complain about who got elected, because you obviously didn't care enough in the first place to go to the polls.

Well...all I can say is that Bush won, and so obviously there are people who support him. Not everything is Bush's personal fault either, you also have a congress to blame of you don't like the way the US is going. Since Bush won the popular vote, you can't blame it on the electoral college this time. If you have a problem with America, well...if you want to move to Canada, be my guest. This is a free country. But I would start off by voting, if you are eligible, and by doing everything you can to get your candidate elected; and that includes candidates for senator and representative.

Because, if you can vote, and didn't, you have no right to complain about who got elected, because you obviously didn't care enough in the first place to go to the polls.
I agree completely, voting is more than a right, it is a responsibility for anyone who believes in democracy. I vote in every election available from Federal to Local. If you don't vote, don't complain.

There might be a better strategy (http://www.informedpublic.com/2004/11/oh-canada.html).



Sadly, Alberta and Saskatchwan would likely vote Republican but Regina would be about 90% democrat, which is good.

you won't be missed...

Oh really.

Take a look at the GNP sans California......

Sadly, Alberta and Saskatchwan would likely vote Republican but Regina would be about 90% democrat, which is good.
I agree Alberta would 100% be Republican, but Saskatchewan I'm not sure of, perhaps Nader would have actually got some electorial votes.

I agree Alberta would 100% be Republican, but Saskatchewan I'm not sure of, perhaps Nader would have actually got some electorial votes.



Rural Sask is very conservative but Regina is as socialist as they get. Saskatoon would be interesting, though.

The number of Americans considering a move to Canada will explode once Bush institutes the draft that he had promised not to during the campaign.
Just like his father-Read My Lips!
The title of my message is a quote from a Bush speech that I saw on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart where Bush said, 'We will not have an all volunteer army.' Someone in the crowd corrected him and then he said, 'We will, we will have an all volunteer army.'
I believe that most of the people who get drafted will be from those red states. Voltaire said something about getting the government that you deserve. The red states will get what they voted for. They have no idea what the price is going to be. They will find out soon.

As for Canada merging with the blue states: I think not. Better that individuals from the States come to Canada to live and build their lives in the Canadian way for a very long time. I believe that only then can they understand what it really means to be a Canadian.
For all of our outwardly apparent similarities there exists in the Canadian mind a very different vision of how the world should be and that could not be fully appreciated by the government of a state that joined the Canadian Federation.

I live in Winnipeg, which is north of North Dakota. Winnipeg is a very multicultural city. However, when I go to Fargo I find it scary. It is so White. I think I saw one black person when I was there last. The Chinese restaurant, although it had very good food, was not run by Chinese people.
In Winnipeg, that is impossible. Here we have every ethnic group that exists in the world. We have restaurants serving all types of food from around the world. We have recent immigrants establishing their own communites and contributing different viewpoints to our social and political discourse.
In Fargo, and probably elsewhere in the red states, I don't see the diversity of culture that I see in my own little city. I see the red states as this rigidly conformist white monolith with mainly one viewpoint and one voice.
I know I'm being condescending, but I really don't see that it is surprising that they vote the way that they do.

Anyway, the one thing that Canada needs is more people. So come on down!
Or up.
Come on down up!
And even though I am Canadian, I am an extremely proud member of the RedSoxNation!

Hmm...isn't the Prime Minister of Canada a conservative?By Canadian standards perhaps. He's certainly right of my politics. But he's also sane.
Well...all I can say is that Bush won, and so obviously there are people who support him.And this time they don't have any excuse. Bush has made his policies amply clear to anyone who pays attention.
The number of Americans considering a move to Canada will explode once Bush institutes the draft that he had promised not to during the campaign.W00t! More draft dogers up here. And Bush and the neo-cons are nuts enough to think they can have a puppet government in Iraq so it might happen.

The number of Americans considering a move to Canada will explode once Bush institutes the draft that he had promised not to during the campaign.
Just like his father-Read My Lips!
The title of my message is a quote from a Bush speech that I saw on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart where Bush said, 'We will not have an all volunteer army.' Someone in the crowd corrected him and then he said, 'We will, we will have an all volunteer army.'
I believe that most of the people who get drafted will be from those blue states. Voltaire said something about getting the government that you deserve. The blue states will get what they voted for. They have no idea what the price is going to be. They will find out soon.

As for Canada merging with the red states: I think not. Better that individuals from the States come to Canada to live and build their lives in the Canadian way for a very long time. I believe that only then can they understand what it really means to be a Canadian.
For all of our outwardly apparent similarities there exists in the Canadian mind a very different vision of how the world should be and that could not be fully appreciated by the government of a state that joined the Canadian Federation.

I live in Winnipeg, which is north of North Dakota. Winnipeg is a very multicultural city. However, when I go to Fargo I find it scary. It is so White. I think I saw one black person when I was there last. The Chinese restaurant, although it had very good food, was not run by Chinese people.
In Winnipeg, that is impossible. Here we have every ethnic group that exists in the world. We have restaurants serving all types of food from around the world. We have recent immigrants establishing their own communites and contributing different viewpoints to our social and political discourse.
In Fargo, and probably elsewhere in the blue states, I don't see the diversity of culture that I see in my own little city. I see the blue states as this rigidly conformist white monolith with mainly one viewpoint and one voice.
I know I'm being condescending, but I really don't see that it is surprising that they vote the way that they do.

Anyway, the one thing that Canada needs is more people. So come on down!
Or up.
Come on down up!
And even though I am Canadian, I am an extremely proud member of the RedSoxNation!

Agree 100%. And if you think Winnipeg is multi-cultural you should pay a visit to Vancouver. You do have the coloured States reversed though, for some reason the Bush States are coloured red, Kerry Blue. The reverse of what a Canadian would expect as we associate blue with Tory, red with Liberal. Anyone know why the differnce?

Thanks Hobbslandia, I did get the colours reversed.
Habits like that are hard to break.
I guess Republicans like to say that they are better red than dead.

I edited it to read the way it should read.
Thanks again!

Thanks Hobbslandia, I did get the colours reversed.
Habits like that are hard to break.
I guess Republicans like to say that they are better red than dead.

I edited it to read the way it should read.
Thanks again!

No problem MyNation,
I think at one point in history the Democrats were actually the Conservative voice and Republicans the Liberals, but the political viewpoints switched for some reason. I can see that, but can someone please explain this whole elephant/donkey thing to me?