NationStates Jolt Archive

Ok fellow Americans, you heard him. We need to unite, and now is the the time to start.

We can start with stop bashing Mr Kerry, he gave a heck of a run for it. They spent many hard days on the trail, thou the outcome goes to The President, it was a hard battle none the less.

So, unite, and let's move on!

Kerry rolled over and died too easily, and now he's saying how wonderful Bush is and how we should just give in to the will of our infallible two-term asshole. Kerry can cram it where the sun don't shine. His voters supported him too damn much for him to give up like this. If there's a way, he should have gone for it, and with all the provisional ballots in Ohio, there was a fucking way. John Edwards said so himself. Dems' calculations said the provisional ballots would go at least 3-1 for Kerry, meaning it was going to be a hell of a lot closer than it was. He could have fought tooth-and-nail the way Gore did. Gore had nothing to lose by fighting, and even if he lost, at least he lost with a fight. Kerry's a coward. If he were a lawyer at all, he would have kept the fight alive. He has lawyers all over the place. He at least could have kept the fight going.

Kerry supporters put too much into the fight to get him elected for him to throw in the towel like this. Kerry might as well have supported Bush all along.

Kerry rolled over and died too easily, and now he's saying how wonderful Bush is and how we should just give in to the will of our infallible two-term asshole. Kerry can cram it where the sun don't shine. His voters supported him too damn much for him to give up like this. If there's a way, he should have gone for it, and with all the provisional ballots in Ohio, there was a fucking way. John Edwards said so himself. Dems' calculations said the provisional ballots would go at least 3-1 for Kerry, meaning it was going to be a hell of a lot closer than it was. He could have fought tooth-and-nail the way Gore did. Gore had nothing to lose by fighting, and even if he lost, at least he lost with a fight. Kerry's a coward. If he were a lawyer at all, he would have kept the fight alive. He has lawyers all over the place. He at least could have kept the fight going.

Kerry supporters put too much into the fight to get him elected for him to throw in the towel like this. Kerry might as well have supported Bush all along.

Let's just say that; Mr Kerry was short by over 140k, there was just under 100k left to be counted. Even beer math can't argue those numbers.

Hats off to Senator Kerry. He did a great campaign, he went out with style, and he went out like a gentleman. In his speech, you could see he was on the verge of breaking down, but he didnt. Now THAT is true bravery.

BTW-I am a republican.

I thought Kerry was very noble in his concession speech. Very classy. Of course, since Ohio is going to have to count the votes anyway between now and the formal Electoral Vote in mid-december, one can't help but keep hope alive. Heh.

However, one point he made which was a good one: Dubya is our president for the next four years.

Which means the world is going to need my help more than ever. :)

Let's just say that; Mr Kerry was short by over 140k, there was just under 100k left to be counted. Even beer math can't argue those numbers.

I might have been tired last night, but I was pretty sure the margin was only about 100,000, and there could have been anywhere from 150-200K to count. At least that's what CNN said...and they have been known to be wrong, I am sure. That's where I get my figures - especially if the provisional ballots break 3-1 for Kerry.

Kerry rolled over and died too easily, and now he's saying how wonderful Bush is and how we should just give in to the will of our infallible two-term asshole. Kerry can cram it where the sun don't shine. His voters supported him too damn much for him to give up like this. If there's a way, he should have gone for it, and with all the provisional ballots in Ohio, there was a fucking way. John Edwards said so himself. Dems' calculations said the provisional ballots would go at least 3-1 for Kerry, meaning it was going to be a hell of a lot closer than it was. He could have fought tooth-and-nail the way Gore did. Gore had nothing to lose by fighting, and even if he lost, at least he lost with a fight. Kerry's a coward. If he were a lawyer at all, he would have kept the fight alive. He has lawyers all over the place. He at least could have kept the fight going.

Kerry supporters put too much into the fight to get him elected for him to throw in the towel like this. Kerry might as well have supported Bush all along.


are you really that stupid to believe this?

I am Dem, I proudly voted Dem...and we lost. We simply need to regroup and wait till 08. Kerry did what he needed to do, be a gracious looser and not drag this out needlessly, and do further damage to the reputation of the democratic party.

I might have been tired last night, but I was pretty sure the margin was only about 100,000, and there could have been anywhere from 150-200K to count. At least that's what CNN said...and they have been known to be wrong, I am sure. That's where I get my figures - especially if the provisional ballots break 3-1 for Kerry.

I've been watching CNN for the last 24 hours, and they clearly said there were 136k votes more for Bush, and there were around 130k Provisional ballots.

Of course, this doesnt matter anymore but...

Kerry rolled over and died too easily, and now he's saying how wonderful Bush is and how we should just give in to the will of our infallible two-term asshole. Kerry can cram it where the sun don't shine. His voters supported him too damn much for him to give up like this. If there's a way, he should have gone for it, and with all the provisional ballots in Ohio, there was a fucking way. John Edwards said so himself. Dems' calculations said the provisional ballots would go at least 3-1 for Kerry, meaning it was going to be a hell of a lot closer than it was. He could have fought tooth-and-nail the way Gore did. Gore had nothing to lose by fighting, and even if he lost, at least he lost with a fight. Kerry's a coward. If he were a lawyer at all, he would have kept the fight alive. He has lawyers all over the place. He at least could have kept the fight going.

Kerry supporters put too much into the fight to get him elected for him to throw in the towel like this. Kerry might as well have supported Bush all along.

Kerry didn't "throw in the towel". He conceded gracefully and did not drag the American voting process through the mud like Gore did. The provisional ballots would have had to gone 10-1 or more in Kerry's favor for him to take Ohio; common sense tells us that that is a statistical impossiblity. Kerry realizes that the nation is deeply divided after this election and we need to heal as a nation and throw away our severe partisanship. He's a greater man than Bush and Gore were during 2000.

Have not seen the speech.

Hmpf? Isn't this flip-flopping? ;)

Kerry rolled over and died too easily, and now he's saying how wonderful Bush is and how we should just give in to the will of our infallible two-term asshole. Kerry can cram it where the sun don't shine. His voters supported him too damn much for him to give up like this. If there's a way, he should have gone for it, and with all the provisional ballots in Ohio, there was a fucking way. John Edwards said so himself. Dems' calculations said the provisional ballots would go at least 3-1 for Kerry, meaning it was going to be a hell of a lot closer than it was. He could have fought tooth-and-nail the way Gore did. Gore had nothing to lose by fighting, and even if he lost, at least he lost with a fight. Kerry's a coward. If he were a lawyer at all, he would have kept the fight alive. He has lawyers all over the place. He at least could have kept the fight going.

Kerry supporters put too much into the fight to get him elected for him to throw in the towel like this. Kerry might as well have supported Bush all along.

A coward? Please, spare me. John Kerry fought like a GENTLEMAN. He didn't drag this out needlessly. All that would cause would be even MORE division. He saw that he couldnt win, and that the nation needed to HEAL. Unlike you, Mr. Kerry wasn't thinking only about his party and the short term, but AMERICA and the long term.

I'm a democrat but I'm happy that Kerry conceded. Instead of making the nation wait for another couple of days to see him lose (due to the fact that Kerry needed a 100% electoral vote from all of the rest of the provisional vote & the rest of the states, which surely wasn't going to happen) he did us all a favor and let the nation go on with it's business.

Meh, all depends on wether or not there are many no faith electors in the Electoral College :)

Let's just say that; Mr Kerry was short by over 140k, there was just under 100k left to be counted. Even beer math can't argue those numbers.

Well, Kerry was down about 130,000, and there was anywhere from 100,000 to 250,000 of those provisional ballots to count. But odds are alot of them are going to be tossed because people voted twice, and even if that weren't the case, Kerry would need to vastly out do Bush in them to take Ohio.

I am Dem, I proudly voted Dem...and we lost. We simply need to regroup and wait till 08.

I think not my friend,

that would be dumb to wait for four years, many senate and all of the house seats come up for election every two years. We have 24 months to get it together.

Now, if we can just get Dems or 3rd parties to campaign like they've got a pair...

we need to heal as a nation and throw away our severe partisanship.

And how is that going to happen?

We have as conservative congress, a conservative President and soon a conservative Supreme Court.

For all his unification BS talk, he is surrounded by idealogue so I expect an idealogue agenda.

Thak you senator Kerry for that fine speech and for not dragging us thru a Florida 2000 mess.

And how is that going to happen?

We have as conservative congress, a conservative President and soon a conservative Supreme Court.

For all his unification BS talk, he is surrounded by idealogue so I expect an idealogue agenda.

I don't know how. But dragging the election out for 36 extra days probably would not have improved matters, right?

I think not my friend,

that would be dumb to wait for four years, many senate and all of the house seats come up for election every two years. We have 24 months to get it together.

Now, if we can just get Dems or 3rd parties to campaign like they've got a pair...


True, I did forget about the senate, but that was easy to do with the republicans taking even more control, of both houses. Most likely the next candidate for president will come for the Democrates will be another senator

something comes to mind...a good quote from a series of the best books written, something that applies to all politicians involved.

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -Douglas Adams, The Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy

Of course, sll of you want me to just sit here and take your bogus abuse. Or say "DUUUUUH, I'm stupid, you're all smart, I don't know what the hell I am talking about despite the fact that I knew Bush would win from the beginning and now we know why." The bottom line is this: Kerry screwed himself from the beginning by not barbecuing Bush, and the one chance he had left when he had nothing to lose, he didn't take.

Lemme put it to you this way, for those of you who watch American football: You're down by eight points with one minute left in the game. You're on your own 10-yard line. You're out of timeouts. What are you going to do? You can throw 20-yard passes, try to get out of bounds, reach for the end zone, and try for a 2-point conversion and see if you can win it in overtime, right? It's an outside shot, but it's a shot. Or you could be like John Kerry and take a knee, bowing out like a "gentleman". It's his fashion, I suppose. Bush did whatever he needed to in order to get re-elected. Kerry held back. Say what you will about how much of a "gentleman" he was; being a "gentleman" doesn't win elections when your opponent does whatever it takes. As a result of holding back, he was in this spot. He has one outside shot to win and didn't take it.

This is no way to run a political campaign. Not when your team works their asses off to get you elected. Not when your VP was the only one who bothered to say anything out of all four members of the major-party tickets, just to keep hop alive. Not when countless people so sick of Bush that they were willing to put their money on someone as impersonable as Kerry tried to make him into an acceptable Presidential candidate. Not when people waited in line for hours just to vote for him. At this point, if i had yesterday to do over again I would have voted for Bush. At least he doesn't give up.

something comes to mind...a good quote from a series of the best books written, something that applies to all politicians involved.

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -Douglas Adams, The Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy

We've known that for a long time. I, and I can't believe I'm going to say this, think that the biggest reason the Dems lost the White House was honesty. They were, for the most part, more honest and put less spin on things than the Republicans did. Why were there no 'Alabama Air National Guardsmen Who Don't Remember Bush' ads? Where were the innocent people executed in Texas under Bush ads? The Dems and 3rd parties should be easily able to win if they'll just get down and dirty. The Republicans are good at being nasty and the dems as 3rd parties are afraid to be.

I feel that Kerry conceded gracefully and civally. I do agree that, even if we really can't cooperate, we can compromise. And I believe that now that Bush has won, he will gain some popularity. Death is the only way that he will now leave the White House in these next four years.