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I used to get very angry with America, and always had to remind myself not to vent at Americans, but instead at their administration. Now that the dust has settled, I can now hold my head high and disparage American voters for the transgressions of their elected officials.

It's said that in a democracy, the electorate gets the leadership they deserve. I just can't think of anything more to say than that.

Four more years of fear & loathing. Enjoy.

Only a sixth of Americans voted for Bush - a lot of us are still in shock at the election returns.

Hitler took power by overthrowing our government and installing himself as dictator in the 1930s Germany. Bush and his neo-con posse was "democratically" elected. Americans, you have lost all support now and this "democracy" in the West has degenerated into a joke.

And some Europeans wonder why many Americans don't like them. Sigh. :(

And some Europeans wonder why many Americans don't like them. Sigh. :(

What's to like?

And some Europeans wonder why many Americans don't like them. Sigh. :(
I wouldnt worry about it dude I am technically European and I dont like Europeans very much ;)

I voted the Green Party throughout. Not my fault many of my countrymen are morons. When WW3 starts, remember to spare my life :rolleyes:

I used to get very angry with America, and always had to remind myself not to vent at Americans, but instead at their administration. Now that the dust has settled, I can now hold my head high and disparage American voters for the transgressions of their elected officials.

It's said that in a democracy, the electorate gets the leadership they deserve. I just can't think of anything more to say than that.

Four more years of fear & loathing. Enjoy.
http://www.saunalahti.fi/sakarit/kerro-lisaa/troll.jpg

So you're saying I'm a troll because I started a thread and stated an opinion?

*yawns*

I used to get very angry with America, and always had to remind myself not to vent at Americans, but instead at their administration. Now that the dust has settled, I can now hold my head high and disparage American voters for the transgressions of their elected officials.

It's said that in a democracy, the electorate gets the leadership they deserve. I just can't think of anything more to say than that.

Four more years of fear & loathing. Enjoy.

Heh he he he he he he he...!!! :D

Funny little child.

If you don't win, you get pissy and pout. Even though the contest (which had exactly and only TWO possible outcomes) was democratically decided, which no doubt is one of your "prime principles".

Poor baby,... is it time for a time out,.. or are you going to play with other kids..?

Oh,.. and I see you're an anti-American non-American. You know why? Because not AN AMERICAN.

Simply a jealous and/or self-righteous non-American.

Enjoy your state. Enjoy your life. Make it better for yourself, and those around you.

:D

I voted for Kerry.

Nothing like combatting American jingoism with anti-American jingoism. :rolleyes:

So you're saying I'm a troll because I started a thread and stated an opinion?

*yawns* :rolleyes:
No, I'm calling you a troll becuase your thread is a naked attmpt at flamebaiting.

Heh he he he he he he he...!!! :D

Funny little child.

If you don't win, you get pissy and pout. Even though the contest (which had exactly and only TWO possible outcomes) was democratically decided, which no doubt is one of your "prime principles".

Poor baby,... is it time for a time out,.. or are you going to play with other kids..?

Oh,.. and I see you're an anti-American non-American. You know why? Because not AN AMERICAN.

Simply a jealous and/or self-righteous non-American.

Enjoy your state. Enjoy your life. Make it better for yourself, and those around you.

:D
Funny that anyone who disagrees with American policy is labeled as "jealous" or "self-righteous".
I'm American. I love this country. I damn sure didn't vote for 4 more years of Bush's "leadership".

Salchicho: If you think that is trolling you ither have a big problem or a tiny mind. Now... that would be trolling... :D

Hitler took power by overthrowing our government and installing himself as dictator in the 1930s Germany. Bush and his neo-con posse was "democratically" elected. Americans, you have lost all support now and this "democracy" in the West has degenerated into a joke.


Hi 'ya Gig..! :D

We'll see... But do your best to improve your condition and those you cherish..!

If you are evil, as has been my observation of your writing, then you will perish due to your evil.

If you are a good person, which I suspect you actually are, then you will do what is right and make this planet a better place to be.

In any case, I do SO enjoy your illustration/example of the evils of the leftist mind.

Keep up the good work. The more contrast, the easier it is to identify "the enemy",.. and eventually catch it in the act of commiting it's evil, and putting it in it's place.

And that place is....

(( Where would YOU put evil..? ))


:D

Simply a jealous and/or self-righteous non-American.
:D

And you are a pompous self-righteous American

I am a self-hating, liberal, pussy American.

We all have labels, they prove nothing.

Heh he he he he he he he...!!! :D

Funny little child.

If you don't win, you get pissy and pout. Even though the contest (which had exactly and only TWO possible outcomes) was democratically decided, which no doubt is one of your "prime principles".

Poor baby,... is it time for a time out,.. or are you going to play with other kids..?

Oh,.. and I see you're an anti-American non-American. You know why? Because not AN AMERICAN.

Simply a jealous and/or self-righteous non-American.

Enjoy your state. Enjoy your life. Make it better for yourself, and those around you.

:D

There's no need to condescend, Hurhurhur. I do enjoy my state, and my life, I am making it better for myself and those around me. Don't assume that you understand my motives, however. It is my intention to make things better for everybody, regardless of the national boundaries and other arbitrary divisions that continue to plague the human condition.

Thanks again,

Funny that anyone who disagrees with American policy is labeled as "jealous" or "self-righteous".
I'm American. I love this country. I damn sure didn't vote for 4 more years of Bush's "leadership".

Couldn't agree more. I still can't understand why so many people have not even bothered looking at 3rd party candidates. The Democratic and Republican parties are both completely full of morons that don't look out for the little man, why does anyone support this crap?

We all have labels, they prove nothing.
My suits have labels that prove that if I dont have them dry cleaned, my washing machine will fuck them up.

[QUOTE=Sussudio #17]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurhurhur
Simply a jealous and/or self-righteous non-American.


And you are a pompous self-righteous American

I am a self-hating, liberal, pussy American.

We all have labels, they prove nothing.

I'm not worried about PROOF..! :D

And yes,.. you ARE a self-hating liberal pussy (anti-)American. And I am a pompous self-righteous American..!

But my self-righteousness is founded. As my cause is righteous. And I AM rather pompous, because pompousness is not only fun to do in a relatively "safe" forum as this, but it is also quite effective in stimulating good conversation with those of opposing views.

But that's of no consequence whatsoever..!

What is of consequence is the mindset displayed by what you write.

It shows anti-democratic anti-Americanism very VERY well.

I used to get very angry with America, and always had to remind myself not to vent at Americans, but instead at their administration. Now that the dust has settled, I can now hold my head high and disparage American voters for the transgressions of their elected officials.

It's said that in a democracy, the electorate gets the leadership they deserve. I just can't think of anything more to say than that.

Four more years of fear & loathing. Enjoy.

How do you think we feel?
Up until now we've been able to hold out hope that things would turn around soon. "Surely those who supported him last time see their mistake," we cried. "Even the Republicans were swindled by a moderate seeming Republican who turned out to be a Christo-Fascist madman," we consoled

We have no hope left. We can't appeal to the voters, most of themare happily well and truly blinded. They believe lies that make them support Bush and turn against any reasonable alternative. Even the most liberal states in the Union have Republican Governors, individuals who may appear reasonable as individuals, but are ultimatly puppets of the leaders of this morally bankrupt regime.

We can't appeal to our reasonable elected officials. Reasonable republicans are dependent on the despots for their authority, even John McCain supported Bush. Democrats have been shut out of government proceces by the Republican majority. And their power has only grown. Republicans have increased their control of the House of Representatives, and Bush will be choosing the next supreme court Justices who already hold a Republican majority.

We have no democracy anymore. We're a stultocracy now. A one party state.
There is no Democracy in a one Party state, no matter how many people get to vote.

Hi 'ya Gig..! :D

We'll see... But do your best to improve your condition and those you cherish..!

If you are evil, as has been my observation of your writing, then you will perish due to your evil.

If you are a good person, which I suspect you actually are, then you will do what is right and make this planet a better place to be.

In any case, I do SO enjoy your illustration/example of the evils of the leftist mind.

Keep up the good work. The more contrast, the easier it is to identify "the enemy",.. and eventually catch it in the act of commiting it's evil, and putting it in it's place.

And that place is....

(( Where would YOU put evil..? ))


:D

Gee...I hadn't fully realized it 'til now...I am light-years ahead of this...nonsense you place such value on. I won't bother rising to this textbook bait, except to say that I wouldn't 'put' evil anywhere, I'd just leave it in the Oval Office and hope it'll choke on the next pretzel it jams down its' gullet.

There, an uninspired witticism. I do so hate to disappoint, and I knew you'd expect it of me, so there you are.

Next?

Couldn't agree more. I still can't understand why so many people have not even bothered looking at 3rd party candidates. The Democratic and Republican parties are both completely full of morons that don't look out for the little man, why does anyone support this crap?

Because radical change in our present political system is impossible, if you cast a vote for Nadar or Bednarik you accomplished nothing. The only way you can go about change is vote for the major candidate who is closest to your views. If we keep electing candidates who are closer and closer to a libertarian candidate, eventually we will have one.

Gee...I hadn't fully realized it 'til now...I am light-years ahead of this...nonsense you place such value on. I won't bother rising to this textbook bait, except to say that I wouldn't 'put' evil anywhere, I'd just leave it in the Oval Office and hope it'll choke on the next pretzel it jams down its' gullet.

There, an uninspired witticism. I do so hate to disappoint, and I knew you'd expect it of me, so there you are.

Next?

It looks like Iakeokeo is still gunning for you Dobbs

Hitler took power by overthrowing our government and installing himself as dictator in the 1930s Germany. Bush and his neo-con posse was "democratically" elected. Americans, you have lost all support now and this "democracy" in the West has degenerated into a joke.

This from a country who tried to take over the world twice and lost twice. These grapes must be pretty sour for you. Bush won by taking 52% of the overall vote in the country and whoever thinks he only won with a 6th is just mad because scary kerry was defeated. Kerry is weak and he lost fair and square. GO BUSH AND ANOTHER FOUR YEARS!!!

It should be known that not all Americans voted for Bush, in fact, some - like me - had no one to vote for. I dislike Bush, just as I do Kerry, I wasn't going to do like a lot of people did and vote for Kerry merely because he's slightly better than Bush. We got a raw deal when it came to viable candidates this year, merely because he was voted in, does not mean we all did it...

Although, I'm going to add a little something I stole from a non-descript website: There should be a red and green button sitting next to every bed in America. That way, every morning, every citizen can hit the Red or Green button, if the majority hits Red, the President explodes.

All that I'm saying is, don't generalize Americans. Believe me, I get urked when people generalize Europeans. I love you guys. *Hugs*

Hitler took power by overthrowing our government and installing himself as dictator in the 1930s Germany. Bush and his neo-con posse was "democratically" elected. Americans, you have lost all support now and this "democracy" in the West has degenerated into a joke.
Hitler was as democratically elected as Bush. He was made Chancellor only after receiving the vast plurality of the popular vote in Germany, and assumed extraordinary executive powers with the hugely popular Enabling Act after a terrorist attack on the Reichstag created widespread fear that he could exploit. Moreover, he fused the offices of President and Chancellor through plebiscite, which he won overwhelmingly (partially through fraud). Mr. Pot, please meet Mr. Kettle.
You really should pay more attention to your own history. Wouldn't want to repeat it, after all, would you?

Lesse, roughly 95 million people voted.
The current population stands at about 250 million +

Of the 95 million to vote, only about 55 million voted for Bush.

Yeah, lets hate all Americans because of the views and opinions of 1/5th the population. Brilliant, simply brilliant.

Gee...I hadn't fully realized it 'til now...I am light-years ahead of this...nonsense you place such value on. I won't bother rising to this textbook bait, except to say that I wouldn't 'put' evil anywhere, I'd just leave it in the Oval Office and hope it'll choke on the next pretzel it jams down its' gullet.

:D
I feel for all you Americans. I had such high hopes for Kerry and now we're all stuck with Bush for another white knuckle ride of pain/four more years

It looks like Iakeokeo is still gunning for you Dobbs

Yeah, the coloured fonts made me wonder...oh well, at least they're not 200 point-high characters. That's just...icky.

[QUOTE=Dobbs Town #18]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurhurhur
Heh he he he he he he he...!!!

Funny little child.

If you don't win, you get pissy and pout. Even though the contest (which had exactly and only TWO possible outcomes) was democratically decided, which no doubt is one of your "prime principles".

Poor baby,... is it time for a time out,.. or are you going to play with other kids..?

Oh,.. and I see you're an anti-American non-American. You know why? Because not AN AMERICAN.

Simply a jealous and/or self-righteous non-American.

Enjoy your state. Enjoy your life. Make it better for yourself, and those around you.


There's no need to condescend, Hurhurhur. I do enjoy my state, and my life, I am making it better for myself and those around me. Don't assume that you understand my motives, however. It is my intention to make things better for everybody, regardless of the national boundaries and other arbitrary divisions that continue to plague the human condition.

Thanks again,

You're most welcome. :D

I KNOW, for a fact, that you are a great person. It comes across quite well in the "tone" of your writing.

But the "content" of your writing, is to me, childish, which does NOT negate it's good intent.

That I consider it childish, an admitted interpretation of your words as that's all I have to go on, is my comment of the "value" of your content.

I rip into the "concept" of anti-Americanism because I consider it evil.

I consider it evil because America is not only a country to me,.. it is a "high good ideal", and to be anti-American is to (simply) be anti-good, which I call EVIL.

But I don't actually consider anyone (any person behind the words displayed in these fori) to be evil.

..Only childishly naive. :D

I used to get very angry with America, and always had to remind myself not to vent at Americans, but instead at their administration. Now that the dust has settled, I can now hold my head high and disparage American voters for the transgressions of their elected officials.

It's said that in a democracy, the electorate gets the leadership they deserve. I just can't think of anything more to say than that.

Four more years of fear & loathing. Enjoy.

Thanks! We will!!!

Salchicho: If you think that is trolling you ither have a big problem or a tiny mind. Now... that would be trolling... :D

No actually he is right and you are a troll. If you were not a troll you would have made a statement in a mature and thought prokovking way instead of a way designed to get people's hackles up.

This was a close race, don't get me wrong. But Bush won. We voted who we wanted into the White House. We can run our country however we want, and will continue doing so even if you call us fascists ect. ect.

Heh he he he he he he he...!!! :D

Funny little child.

If you don't win, you get pissy and pout. Even though the contest (which had exactly and only TWO possible outcomes) was democratically decided, which no doubt is one of your "prime principles".

Poor baby,... is it time for a time out,.. or are you going to play with other kids..?

Oh,.. and I see you're an anti-American non-American. You know why? Because not AN AMERICAN.

Simply a jealous and/or self-righteous non-American.

Enjoy your state. Enjoy your life. Make it better for yourself, and those around you.

:D

People is NOT jelous of American. You have bad lifestyle, you eat bad food, you are fat, half of your country is poor, you are racist, you are semi dictatorship, you are retarded, your country don't even belong to you, you built up it by using slaves, you are greedy etc etc etc etc. Why would anyone be jelous of American life? You think you rule the world but you will regret that.

People is NOT jelous of American. You have bad lifestyle, you eat bad food, you are fat, half of your country is poor, you are racist, you are semi dictatorship, you are retarded, your country don't even belong to you, you built up it by using slaves, you are greedy etc etc etc etc. Why would anyone be jelous of American life? You think you rule the world but you will regret that.
Seeing what happens next should be fun...

Couldn't agree more. I still can't understand why so many people have not even bothered looking at 3rd party candidates. The Democratic and Republican parties are both completely full of morons that don't look out for the little man, why does anyone support this crap?

Because third parties are a joke and designed to make you feel like you have more of a choice. The electoral college is not allowed to cast votes for 3rd parties. They can only go rep or demo. I like some third party people, but you are really throwing away your vote is you vote for them.

I feel like crying...

However, be joyous. After 4 years of loathing, death, war, etc, we will probably have a Democrat as president because Bush will have purged all Republican opposition! Either that, or Americans will become smart!

[QUOTE=Sussudio #17]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurhurhur
Simply a jealous and/or self-righteous non-American.


And you are a pompous self-righteous American

I am a self-hating, liberal, pussy American.

We all have labels, they prove nothing.

I'm not worried about PROOF..! :D

And yes,.. you ARE a self-hating liberal pussy (anti-)American. And I am a pompous self-righteous American..!

But my self-righteousness is founded. As my cause is righteous. And I AM rather pompous, because pompousness is not only fun to do in a relatively "safe" forum as this, but it is also quite effective in stimulating good conversation with those of opposing views.

But that's of no consequence whatsoever..!

What is of consequence is the mindset displayed by what you write.

It shows anti-democratic anti-Americanism very VERY well.

I'm curious to know how exactly you connect the word "liberal" with "pussy" and "un-American".

[QUOTE=Pudding Pies #19]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas-SOM
Funny that anyone who disagrees with American policy is labeled as "jealous" or "self-righteous".
I'm American. I love this country. I damn sure didn't vote for 4 more years of Bush's "leadership".

Couldn't agree more. I still can't understand why so many people have not even bothered looking at 3rd party candidates. The Democratic and Republican parties are both completely full of morons that don't look out for the little man, why does anyone support this crap?

People "look at" 3rd parties all the time,.. and reject them.

I disagree with American policy all the time. It's not the "disagreement with American Policy" part that is the cause of being labelled "jealous" and "self-righteous" (or "anti-American").

It is the "we know better than you do (though it's YOUR country)" attitude.

Whether you voted for Bush or not, if you are an American, you will do your best to promote what you consider the best thing for America and the world.

How do you think we feel?
Up until now we've been able to hold out hope that things would turn around soon. "Surely those who supported him last time see their mistake," we cried. "Even the Republicans were swindled by a moderate seeming Republican who turned out to be a Christo-Fascist madman," we consoled

We have no hope left. We can't appeal to the voters, most of themare happily well and truly blinded. They believe lies that make them support Bush and turn against any reasonable alternative. Even the most liberal states in the Union have Republican Governors, individuals who may appear reasonable as individuals, but are ultimatly puppets of the leaders of this morally bankrupt regime.

We can't appeal to our reasonable elected officials. Reasonable republicans are dependent on the despots for their authority, even John McCain supported Bush. Democrats have been shut out of government proceces by the Republican majority. And their power has only grown. Republicans have increased their control of the House of Representatives, and Bush will be choosing the next supreme court Justices who already hold a Republican majority.

We have no democracy anymore. We're a stultocracy now. A one party state.
There is no Democracy in a one Party state, no matter how many people get to vote.

And the problem with this is?

So you're saying I'm a troll because I started a thread and stated an opinion?

*yawns*

I think he / she is right.

Your statement suggests that you assume that the 49% of Americans that did not vote for Bush actually agree with him too. In fact, you are prejudiced, not based on race, gender, sexual preference, or religion, but sadly based on people's country of residence.

I think either you are trolling or just a very close minded person. In either case, it is hardly worth expecting somebody who claims that every American agrees with something you disagree with in possibly being open minded. You are not.

*yawns*

There's more than one way to sin a cat, or sway a nation. It's not as difficult as some make it out to be. It doesn't require money, arms, or connections. It only requires a mouth to speak, and an ear to listen.

I've mentioned before that I was raised a Unitarian, and they had a wonderful saying: "They drew a circle to keep us out, but we draw a circle to take them in."

I see you're done with that piece of chalk, there. My turn.

There's not going to be a WWIII, there aren't going to be mass nukings, relations with western Europe won't change, there won't be riots.

Bush was elected in the way of a reupublic. And he would have won in a democratic manner as well.

Europeans who wench at how we didn't vote how they wanted us to need to be quiet.

I feel like crying...

However, be joyous. After 4 years of loathing, death, war, etc, we will probably have a Democrat as president because Bush will have purged all Republican opposition! Either that, or Americans will become smart!

Sorry, you're reminding me of the joke about the pet rabbit and the 'smart' pills...

Lesse, roughly 95 million people voted.
The current population stands at about 250 million +

Of the 95 million to vote, only about 55 million voted for Bush.

Yeah, lets hate all Americans because of the views and opinions of 1/5th the population. Brilliant, simply brilliant.

And so you say that babies should vote as well as school children? They can't count to 10 yet. Get real.

I used to get very angry with America, and always had to remind myself not to vent at Americans, but instead at their administration. Now that the dust has settled, I can now hold my head high and disparage American voters for the transgressions of their elected officials.

It's said that in a democracy, the electorate gets the leadership they deserve. I just can't think of anything more to say than that.

Four more years of fear & loathing. Enjoy.

And I also bet four more years of asking for handouts and expecting America to solve everyone else's problems.

I think he / she is right.

Your statement suggests that you assume that the 49% of Americans that did not vote for Bush actually agree with him too. In fact, you are prejudiced, not based on race, gender, sexual preference, or religion, but sadly based on people's country of residence.

I think either you are trolling or just a very close minded person. In either case, it is hardly worth expecting somebody who claims that every American agrees with something you disagree with in possibly being open minded. You are not.

Well, that's your opinion and I welcome it. Thanks.

Hitler took power by overthrowing our government and installing himself as dictator in the 1930s Germany. Bush and his neo-con posse was "democratically" elected. Americans, you have lost all support now and this "democracy" in the West has degenerated into a joke.

You mean more of a joke than the French, German, and Russian democracies who were pretending to support human rights and UN sanctions against Saddam while raping the Iraqi people behind the world's back?

You mean a joke like that?

And I also bet four more years of asking for handouts and expecting America to solve everyone else's problems.

Not to mention four more years of creating problems for everyone else, then magnaminously offering to 'solve them', eh?

there's two sides to every coin, even a wooden nickle.

Hitler took power by overthrowing our government and installing himself as dictator in the 1930s Germany. Bush and his neo-con posse was "democratically" elected. Americans, you have lost all support now and this "democracy" in the West has degenerated into a joke.

Actually, I couldn't disagree more with you. This is exactly what democracy and a declining civilization has brought us... a neo-con Republican. Most of the civilizations in Europe have already declined to a has-been do-nothing state. Unfortunately, America is right behind you. I'll give it another 40-50 years before we decline to Europe's standard. It's unfortunate, but at least, my candidate won this election.

Well this just confirms that fear, hate and bigotry can win you an election in America. Congrats those people who have nothing else to vote on.

I feel like crying...

However, be joyous. After 4 years of loathing, death, war, etc, we will probably have a Democrat as president because Bush will have purged all Republican opposition! Either that, or Americans will become smart!

Americans are smart. We voted for Bush! Now stop whining and crying and carrying on...suck it up...and deal with it.

[QUOTE=Domici #22]
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Originally Posted by Dobbs Town
I used to get very angry with America, and always had to remind myself not to vent at Americans, but instead at their administration. Now that the dust has settled, I can now hold my head high and disparage American voters for the transgressions of their elected officials.

It's said that in a democracy, the electorate gets the leadership they deserve. I just can't think of anything more to say than that.

Four more years of fear & loathing. Enjoy.


How do you think we feel?
Up until now we've been able to hold out hope that things would turn around soon. "Surely those who supported him last time see their mistake," we cried. "Even the Republicans were swindled by a moderate seeming Republican who turned out to be a Christo-Fascist madman," we consoled

We have no hope left. We can't appeal to the voters, most of themare happily well and truly blinded. They believe lies that make them support Bush and turn against any reasonable alternative. Even the most liberal states in the Union have Republican Governors, individuals who may appear reasonable as individuals, but are ultimatly puppets of the leaders of this morally bankrupt regime.

Americans always have hope. If you have no hope, then look within yourself for a serious problem.

If you are as anti-American as you purport, please leave the US as soon as possible to spare yourself the obvious anguish you're experiencing. It will also have the delightful side effect of sparing America yet another internal terrorist.

Why do I equate you with a terrorist. Because the abjectly hopeless will always degenerate into people who commit terrorist acts. And you would be no exception.

We can't appeal to our reasonable elected officials. Reasonable republicans are dependent on the despots for their authority, even John McCain supported Bush. Democrats have been shut out of government proceces by the Republican majority. And their power has only grown. Republicans have increased their control of the House of Representatives, and Bush will be choosing the next supreme court Justices who already hold a Republican majority.

Then leave now. As "there is no hope", and the hopeless are not something any people need in their midst.


We have no democracy anymore. We're a stultocracy now. A one party state.
There is no Democracy in a one Party state, no matter how many people get to vote.

Because you lose a single representative democratic contest, you despair.

Poor child,... when you grow up you will realize that your personal "impressions" of the world are not the sum total of reality.

Once again,.. do what is best for those you cherish as well and forcefully as you can. But if you can not stick with even your own ideals (democracy), then you'd best leave the US and get your education of how societies work elsewhere, because you will be chewed up and spat out (mostly by your own internal processes) and be miserable in your hatred-inflicted woundings.

Americans are smart. We voted for Bush! Now stop whining and crying and carrying on...suck it up...and deal with it.

Well, half of you voted for him, anyway.

Couldn't agree more. I still can't understand why so many people have not even bothered looking at 3rd party candidates. The Democratic and Republican parties are both completely full of morons that don't look out for the little man, why does anyone support this crap?


Maybe it's because third party candidates don't appeal to the moderate middle class. They either want to legalize drugs, or create regulation so burdensome the standard of living would seriously decline.

If you want to be taken seriously by SUV-soccer-mom and dad crowd then you have to start being serious ABOUT the SUV-soccer-mom and dad crowd.

If you don't care about that constituency then quit complaining.

I used to get very angry with America, and always had to remind myself not to vent at Americans, but instead at their administration. Now that the dust has settled, I can now hold my head high and disparage American voters for the transgressions of their elected officials.

It's said that in a democracy, the electorate gets the leadership they deserve. I just can't think of anything more to say than that.

Four more years of fear & loathing. Enjoy.

Waaaahhhhhhh!!!!!! I don't care what you think.

Who's in the White House? Bush! Bush! Bush! (To the tune of Who let the dogs out?)

[QUOTE=Verkhovnyy Sovet #36]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurhurhur
Heh he he he he he he he...!!!

Funny little child.

If you don't win, you get pissy and pout. Even though the contest (which had exactly and only TWO possible outcomes) was democratically decided, which no doubt is one of your "prime principles".

Poor baby,... is it time for a time out,.. or are you going to play with other kids..?

Oh,.. and I see you're an anti-American non-American. You know why? Because not AN AMERICAN.

Simply a jealous and/or self-righteous non-American.

Enjoy your state. Enjoy your life. Make it better for yourself, and those around you.


People is NOT jelous of American. You have bad lifestyle, you eat bad food, you are fat, half of your country is poor, you are racist, you are semi dictatorship, you are retarded, your country don't even belong to you, you built up it by using slaves, you are greedy etc etc etc etc. Why would anyone be jelous of American life? You think you rule the world but you will regret that.

You are pathetic.

How do you explain why so many people FIGHT to come to America..?

May you strive to make your country anything approaching America. May you be successful. May you grow up into a sensible adult. May you enjoy your path.

May you be better tomorrow than you were yesterday, potentially great one. :)

Funny that anyone who disagrees with American policy is labeled as "jealous" or "self-righteous".
I'm American. I love this country. I damn sure didn't vote for 4 more years of Bush's "leadership".
However, the largest majority of Americans in any election since 1988 DID. And we are glad.

It should be known that not all Americans voted for Bush, in fact, some - like me - had no one to vote for. I dislike Bush, just as I do Kerry, I wasn't going to do like a lot of people did and vote for Kerry merely because he's slightly better than Bush. We got a raw deal when it came to viable candidates this year, merely because he was voted in, does not mean we all did it...

Although, I'm going to add a little something I stole from a non-descript website: There should be a red and green button sitting next to every bed in America. That way, every morning, every citizen can hit the Red or Green button, if the majority hits Red, the President explodes.

All that I'm saying is, don't generalize Americans. Believe me, I get urked when people generalize Europeans. I love you guys. *Hugs*


"Slightly better than Bush"?!?! LOLOL. How would you KNOW? He didn't actually SAY anything substantive. All he did was say "I have a plan." LOLOL.

And I also bet four more years of asking for handouts and expecting America to solve everyone else's problems.

That will never change. America is willing to help out other coutries and those same self-serving countries take advantage of that. Without the US Hitler might still be in power and dictators would be running the whole of Europe. We sent people to die on foreign soil because our help was needed. We believe in democracy and we will fight for it. We believe in being free and we will fight for it. America is the greatest country in the world! Yes, we have a our problems, but we have morals and values. We believe that we are a nation worth fighting for in the court rooms as well as the battlefields and we can do it because we are free to. So many europeans hate America, but you really should take a look at your history books because America probably fought for you.

I am an American and I am PROUD to call myself a LIBERAL! Right now I freaking hate the middle part of the country and wish that my city could break off (I live in NYC - it's not really America)

I find it so ironic that the parts of the country that were actually affected by 9/11 didn't vote for Bush while the rest of the country voted for Bush because he made them feel safer. How stupid are some of the people?

Well this just confirms that fear, hate and bigotry can win you an election in America. Congrats those people who have nothing else to vote on.

You know, if you don't like it, the borders are open.

There's not going to be a WWIII, there aren't going to be mass nukings, relations with western Europe won't change, there won't be riots.

Bush was elected in the way of a reupublic. And he would have won in a democratic manner as well.

Europeans who wench at how we didn't vote how they wanted us to need to be quiet.


True! True! True!

Other than roll my eyes and shake my head sadly, I said almost nothing about how 20,000 elderly died of heat strokes in France while Chirac vacationed his &*%#$ self in Canada.

Is this the type of democratic, will-'o-the-people, responsiveness you Europeans expected of America in this last election?

By contrast, when a tornado went through a Missouri trailer-park two years ago, President Bush ended short his G-8 summit in Japan, flew over the affected area, declared it a national disaster, and wrote a check for billion dollars.

Sadly a life was lost. Yes, a single life. It was "trixie" the Jack-Russell Terrier living in the 4th Trailer house on the left. The governor lamented, the fire and police crews raced about frantically, and President Bush took up a bull-horn to assuage our concerns and reinforce our faith in American responsiveness to such tragic events.

Sheesh. You people are incredible.

Waaaahhhhhhh!!!!!! I don't care what you think.

Who's in the White House? Bush! Bush! Bush! (To the tune of Who let the dogs out?)

And here we have a very intelligent and tolerant republican :rolleyes:

Hurhurhur said, 'If you are as anti-American as you purport, please leave the US as soon as possible to spare yourself the obvious anguish you're experiencing.'

Hurhurhur also said, 'Then leave now. As "there is no hope", and the hopeless are not something any people need in their midst'.

That's cold. It also reminds me of the old jingoistic 'America - Love it or leave it' slogan popular during the Vietnam War era. If you say that I should love myself, my people, and my state, and try to make it better, than why are you saying these things, Hurhurhur? These aren't the words of someone who wants to make things better for their fellows, it's cold, detached, and hostile.

I welcome America's 'hopeless' people - I suspect I'll be welcoming many of them in the next four years. To them I say, to feel that sense of hope, you might just have to leave home. Come home to where hope isn't just a word. Come to Canada. We'll fill you with hope.

You know, if you don't like it, the borders are open.

You're a pitiful soul, my friend. Instead of trying to solve problems you take the attitude of the average american idiot. *motions to quoted post*

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Simply a jealous and/or self-righteous non-American.


And you are a pompous self-righteous American

I am a self-hating, liberal, pussy American.

We all have labels, they prove nothing.

I'm not worried about PROOF..!

And yes,.. you ARE a self-hating liberal pussy (anti-)American. And I am a pompous self-righteous American..!

But my self-righteousness is founded. As my cause is righteous. And I AM rather pompous, because pompousness is not only fun to do in a relatively "safe" forum as this, but it is also quite effective in stimulating good conversation with those of opposing views.

But that's of no consequence whatsoever..!

What is of consequence is the mindset displayed by what you write.

It shows anti-democratic anti-Americanism very VERY well.


I'm curious to know how exactly you connect the word "liberal" with "pussy" and "un-American".

I didn't. The other author brought that up.

I am liberal, and like liberals (believe it or not). I'm also occassionally a conservative. When I'm a liberal, I try to uncover liberties that might be interesting. When I'm a conservative, I try to hold onto (conserve) those liberties that have been found.

I am just a liberal rightist.

There is no inherent connection between any of the words "liberal", "pussy", or "un-American".

Actually, I couldn't disagree more with you. This is exactly what democracy and a declining civilization has brought us... a neo-con Republican. Most of the civilizations in Europe have already declined to a has-been do-nothing state. Unfortunately, America is right behind you. I'll give it another 40-50 years before we decline to Europe's standard. It's unfortunate, but at least, my candidate won this election.
That was very well put. The best thing about this election is that the majority of Americans thumbed our nose, so to speak, at those "powers"who would pretend to lecture us. It was amazing that even with heavy European interference in Ohio, etc, Bush won by such a large majority.

And here we have a very intelligent and tolerant republican :rolleyes:

Oh get over that nonsense. You have a lot of nerve lecturing about tolerance and intelligence.

Because radical change in our present political system is impossible, if you cast a vote for Nadar or Bednarik you accomplished nothing. The only way you can go about change is vote for the major candidate who is closest to your views. If we keep electing candidates who are closer and closer to a libertarian candidate, eventually we will have one.


I don't know why no one ever seems to get this, but you also have to vote in primaries. African Americans turned the Democratic party from the party of racists into the party of civil rights by voting in primaries. If people of sense voted in the primaries for the 2000 race we'd have president McCain now.

Hurhurhur said, 'If you are as anti-American as you purport, please leave the US as soon as possible to spare yourself the obvious anguish you're experiencing.'

Hurhurhur also said, 'Then leave now. As "there is no hope", and the hopeless are not something any people need in their midst'.

That's cold. It also reminds me of the old jingoistic 'America - Love it or leave it' slogan popular during the Vietnam War era. If you say that I should love myself, my people, and my state, and try to make it better, than why are you saying these things, Hurhurhur? These aren't the words of someone who wants to make things better for their fellows, it's cold, detached, and hostile.

I welcome America's 'hopeless' people - I suspect I'll be welcoming many of them in the next four years. To them I say, to feel that sense of hope, you might just have to leave home. Come home to where hope isn't just a word. Come to Canada. We'll fill you with hope.
I know many good Canadians. Alot of whom called me today happy. I guess with no hockey, our election is as close as you get to spectator sports for awhile. :)

That was very well put. The best thing about this election is that the majority of Americans thumbed our nose, so to speak, at those "powers"who would pretend to lecture us. It was amazing that even with heavy European interference in Ohio, etc, Bush won by such a large majority.

Ah, so you tracked down those agents provocateurs in Ohio, did you? Must remember to have them send plainclothes members of the Surete next time, not those uniformed gendarmes. I knew they'd stick out like sore thumbs. That, and their moustaches.

You know, if you don't like it, the borders are open.

Such a small-minded response... My GREAT GREAT (many greats) Grand Father Signed the both Declaration of Independence (2) and the Constitution (3). So don't give me this drivel of love it or leave it... this IS MY Country.

ONE Party rule is BAD for the USA, it was proved in 92-94 and for the last 2 years.... only split between House/Senate and the President can the USA remain strong (by NOT LURCHING to the Left or the Right)

Oh get over that nonsense. You have a lot of nerve lecturing about tolerance and intelligence.

I am not even an american but an austrian. And I am ashamed a republican gouvernor was born in the same country as I am.

I know many good Canadians. Alot of whom called me today happy. I guess with no hockey, our election is as close as you get to spectator sports for awhile. :)

Thanks, Takrai. Many of us are political hounds, we love a 'good' election, so most everyone I knew watched last night.

I am not even an american but an austrian. And I am ashamed a republican gouvernor was born in the same country as I am.

Don't feel too ashamed. Everyone has to come from somewhere, after all.

Such a small-minded response... My GREAT GREAT (many greats) Grand Father Signed the both Declaration of Independence (2) and the Constitution (3). So don't give me this drivel of love it or leave it... this IS MY Country.

ONE Party rule is BAD for the USA, it was proved in 92-94 and for the last 2 years.... only split between House/Senate and the President can the USA remain strong (by NOT LURCHING to the Left or the Right)
welll...

as an observer i say that you acknowledge a great deal!

but hey -- how is split between left and right better than unified in the center?

i am an anarchodemocrat. definitely to me the united states has been a place that has remained divided and conquered -- the rich taking economic advantage, a great number of poor dominated by a few megarich since the dawn of the republic.

so i ask you again -- how is split between left and right BETTER that unified in the center?

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I am an American and I am PROUD to call myself a LIBERAL! Right now I freaking hate the middle part of the country and wish that my city could break off (I live in NYC - it's not really America)

I find it so ironic that the parts of the country that were actually affected by 9/11 didn't vote for Bush while the rest of the country voted for Bush because he made them feel safer. How stupid are some of the people?

Excellent..! I am occassionally a liberal, and prouder than HECK of it, myself..!

How stupid are you..?

No,.. that's a serious question.. If you can ask about the stupidity factor of the red states, I can inquiry about the stupidity factor of the blue states.

Why are they stupid..? You're "separatist" intonations are classic anti-Americanism, my friend.

Are you SURE you want to identify yourself as anti-American..? :)

People is NOT jelous of American. You have bad lifestyle, you eat bad food, you are fat, half of your country is poor, you are racist, you are semi dictatorship, you are retarded, your country don't even belong to you, you built up it by using slaves, you are greedy etc etc etc etc. Why would anyone be jelous of American life? You think you rule the world but you will regret that.

Here we are... It's what Europe thinks of Americans. I love it.

As Americans, we are free to have whatever lifestyle we choose. We can be fit, or we can be "fat". We can eat good food, and we can eat "bad food". We can work to be rich, or we can work to be "poor". BUT, let me correct you on something! Half of our country is not poor. We're far from that! In fact, what we classify as poor in America is middle class and upper middle class in Europe! America is the richest nation on the planet. Our standard of living surpasses that of all other nations. Don't forget that...

As Americans, we are also free to be racists and have prejudices. It's clear that you are also free to have similar for Americans. As for our country not belonging to us, perhaps you should take a long hard look at your own country's history. I believe that you'll find something similar. And regarding slavery, I'm sure that your nation had nothing to do with that <snicker>.

"Why would anyone be jelous of American life?" Well? Why don't you ask yourself that? You're the one casting stones at us. Why? Could it be jealousy?

We don't want to rule the world. We're just the most powerful right now. When you guys have a problem, you turn to us. When we have a problem, we rely on ourselves to resolve the issue. In America, we call that self-reliance. It used to be a common thread that held Americans together. Unfortunately, Europe's socialistic ideals have infected our society, and our Left has adopted those ideals. The Right still believes in self-reliance, and our best hope was Bush.

welll...

as an observer i say that you acknowledge a great deal!

but hey -- how is split between left and right better than unified in the center?

i am an anarchodemocrat. definitely to me the united states has been a place that has remained divided and conquered -- the rich taking economic advantage, a great number of poor dominated by a few megarich since the dawn of the republic.

so i ask you again -- how is split between left and right BETTER that unified in the center?


It isn't but a lurch to the Right or the Left is wrong... a split REQUIRES goverance from the center which, unless a third party ran from the center, you will never get from one party rule.

Such a small-minded response... My GREAT GREAT (many greats) Grand Father Signed the both Declaration of Independence (2) and the Constitution (3). So don't give me this drivel of love it or leave it... this IS MY Country.

ONE Party rule is BAD for the USA, it was proved in 92-94 and for the last 2 years.... only split between House/Senate and the President can the USA remain strong (by NOT LURCHING to the Left or the Right)
For most of the twentieth century the congress was Democrat, there were also some Dem presidents in that time, and we did alright. Interesting that they never actually accomplished much however.

Four more years of fear & loathing. Enjoy.


fear and loathing you say? (see the bottom of this page) (http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2043&p=14)

[QUOTE=Middleton]Such a small-minded response... My GREAT GREAT (many greats) Grand Father Signed the both Declaration of Independence (2) and the Constitution (3). So don't give me this drivel of love it or leave it... this IS MY Country.

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Hear, hear. Don't let the ghosts of McCarthyism & the Birch Society haunt your nation. Take it back. It's for all of you, not just Republicans. You can be a proud American yet still not support your leader. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Here we are... It's what Europe thinks of Americans. I love it.

As Americans, we are free to have whatever lifestyle we choose. We can be fit, or we can be "fat". We can eat good food, and we can eat "bad food". We can work to be rich, or we can work to be "poor". BUT, let me correct you on something! Half of our country is not poor. We're far from that! In fact, what we classify as poor in America is middle class and upper middle class in Europe! America is the richest nation on the planet. Our standard of living surpasses that of all other nations. Don't forget that...

As Americans, we are also free to be racists and have prejudices. It's clear that you are also free to have similar for Americans. As for our country not belonging to us, perhaps you should take a long hard look at your own country's history. I believe that you'll find something similar. And regarding slavery, I'm sure that your nation had nothing to do with that <snicker>.

"Why would anyone be jelous of American life?" Well? Why don't you ask yourself that? You're the one casting stones at us. Why? Could it be jealousy?

We don't want to rule the world. We're just the most powerful right now. When you guys have a problem, you turn to us. When we have a problem, we rely on ourselves to resolve the issue. In America, we call that self-reliance. It used to be a common thread that held Americans together. Unfortunately, Europe's socialistic ideals have infected our society, and our Left has adopted those ideals. The Right still believes in self-reliance, and our best hope was Bush.

Such cunningly crafted lies. Poor people in AMerica are not upper middle class in Europe. They are still freaking poor. Don't try to feed us that bull.
As for living standards...well...no. Several European countries inlcuding Sweden have higher living standards than Americans in general.

When Europe has a problem, noone turns to America! EU itself is stronger than the USA. They handle their problems. America sticks it's gun-barrel into everyone else's business. And socialism is by far the best government type possible. Our best hope was Bush, of that you are correct.

Who else to vote for to get 4 more wars?

fear and loathing you say? (see the bottom of this page) (http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2043&p=14)

Nice one, thanks. I'd sooner have Dr. Gonzo behind the wheel though, at least he KNOWS how to drive under the influence...

It's absolutely fascinating to find someone from another country complaining about the American democratic process, simply because of their impact on international affairs. Where was your self-righteous outcry during Iraq's last election, I wonder. I saw some of the broadcasts from Europe and the polls in which Europeans selected OUR President. I don't remember having the opportunity to vote for Spain or France's elected officials. To top it all off, these individuals can't see how the expression of their partisan and FOREIGN support hurt the candidate they support, distancing them from a voting population whose responsibility is to select someone who represents themselves.

Frankly, as far as I can tell, this thread exists because of to mutually exclusive viewpoints.
1. Most Americans just want to be left alone
2. Apparently given the existence of this thread, many Europeans feel that they should have a say in how we live and govern our lives.

For your information, the world does not revolve around your opinion of the war against Iraq. People voted against Kerry because they didn't want a health system like, say, Germany's, where they are now denying age related care(i.e. cataracts surgery) to the people who paid into that system all their lives(for those who haven't figured it out, that would be the old). They voted against Kerry, because they looked looked at the economy of France and said, we don't want that. They voted against Kerry, because they understood at some level that Canadians PAY for their drugs through taxes to their government, and that buying drugs there and bringing them back is STEALING. They voted against Kerry because Social Security must die as soon as possible, because not even there parents will get any, though they paid all their lives. People voted against Kerry, because they didn't want their children reading from text books chosen by a federal bureaucrat.

So, it is not terriblyinexplicable that people didn't vote for Kerry just because he SAID he had a better plan for Iraq, and because YOU liked him.

Additionally, whoever put in the bit about he supreme court, if you're going to comment, you should know your facts. The number of justices is not set constitution. You have obviously derived your political knowledge from the Media in this country(US). The President may, at any time of his choosing, present a candidate for the supreme court. There are hundreds of potential candidates. Congress lacks the moral impetus to deny all of them.

For most of the twentieth century the congress was Democrat, there were also some Dem presidents in that time, and we did alright. Interesting that they never actually accomplished much however.


things have changed... during the 20th century the US was either 1. Isolationist (pre WW2) or 2) superpower VS the communists...thus a more centered approach was required against an outside foe that could wipe us out in 8 mins. You never had close elections back during the Cold war like you have had since 92

It's absolutely fascinating to find someone from another country complaining about the American democratic process, simply because of their impact on international affairs. Where was your self-righteous outcry during Iraq's last election, I wonder. I saw some of the broadcasts from Europe and the polls in which Europeans selected OUR President. I don't remember having the opportunity to vote for Spain or France's elected officials. To top it all off, these individuals can't see how the expression of their partisan and FOREIGN support hurt the candidate they support, distancing them from a voting population whose responsibility is to select someone who represents themselves.

Frankly, as far as I can tell, this thread exists because of to mutually exclusive viewpoints.
1. Most Americans just want to be left alone
2. Apparently given the existence of this thread, many Europeans feel that they should have a say in how we live and govern our lives.

For your information, the world does not revolve around your opinion of the war against Iraq. People voted against Kerry because they didn't want a health system like, say, Germany's, where they are now denying age related care(i.e. cataracts surgery) to the people who paid into that system all their lives(for those who haven't figured it out, that would be the old). They voted against Kerry, because they looked looked at the economy of France and said, we don't want that. They voted against Kerry, because they understood at some level that Canadians PAY for their drugs through taxes to their government, and that buying drugs there and bringing them back is STEALING. They voted against Kerry because Social Security must die as soon as possible, because not even there parents will get any, though they paid all their lives. People voted against Kerry, because they didn't want their children reading from text books chosen by a federal bureaucrat.

So, it is not terriblyinexplicable that people didn't vote for Kerry just because he SAID he had a better plan for Iraq, and because YOU liked him.

Additionally, whoever put in the bit about he supreme court, if you're going to comment, you should know your facts. The number of justices is not set constitution. You have obviously derived your political knowledge from the Media in this country(US). The President may, at any time of his choosing, present a candidate for the supreme court. There are hundreds of potential candidates. Congress lacks the moral impetus to deny all of them.

Not to seem rude, but who the Hell are you aiming your diatribe at? Me?

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Hurhurhur said, 'If you are as anti-American as you purport, please leave the US as soon as possible to spare yourself the obvious anguish you're experiencing.'

Hurhurhur also said, 'Then leave now. As "there is no hope", and the hopeless are not something any people need in their midst'.

That's cold. It also reminds me of the old jingoistic 'America - Love it or leave it' slogan popular during the Vietnam War era. If you say that I should love myself, my people, and my state, and try to make it better, than why are you saying these things, Hurhurhur? These aren't the words of someone who wants to make things better for their fellows, it's cold, detached, and hostile.

I welcome America's 'hopeless' people - I suspect I'll be welcoming many of them in the next four years. To them I say, to feel that sense of hope, you might just have to leave home. Come home to where hope isn't just a word. Come to Canada. We'll fill you with hope.

I find it amazing that people who are "annoyed" at the outcome of a representative democratic process and call America "EVIL" because their side didn't triumph, should object to being looked at as a psychopath for objecting to the implementation of their "prime directive" (voting)..!!

If you love America, make her better, however you can. Period.

If you don't love America, give your place to someone who does. Or,.. if you're not American, and hate America, be very VERY careful.

May the Canadans [who are from Canadia and speak Canadan] be happy with our "hopeless", and learn from you the value of America.

Best wishes to you, my friend. :D

Such cunningly crafted lies. Poor people in AMerica are not upper middle class in Europe. They are still freaking poor. Don't try to feed us that bull.
As for living standards...well...no. Several European countries inlcuding Sweden have higher living standards than Americans in general.

When Europe has a problem, noone turns to America! EU itself is stronger than the USA. They handle their problems. America sticks it's gun-barrel into everyone else's business. And socialism is by far the best government type possible. Our best hope was Bush, of that you are correct.

Who else to vote for to get 4 more wars?
When Europe has trouble, ie the Balkans, the World Wars, etc, they certainly do call on America. The EU is not a single entity, and even if it were, it is not stronger than the US. I suppose economically it may be, or at least very close, but in other areas not even close.

Americans always have hope. If you have no hope, then look within yourself for a serious problem.
I know what the problem within me is. I have eyes and a brain that allow me to see that my country is turning to crap and that its moral center has rotted so thoroughly now that it is more manure than than fiber. I can have either of those problems corrected with surgery.

If you are as anti-American as you purport, please leave the US as soon as possible to spare yourself the obvious anguish you're experiencing. It will also have the delightful side effect of sparing America yet another internal terrorist.
I am not anti American. Unfortunatly Republicans (I can't bear to call them Americans, not anymore) have wiped their ass with everything that it means to be American and are ruining everything that they touch.

Why do I equate you with a terrorist. Because the abjectly hopeless will always degenerate into people who commit terrorist acts. And you would be no exception.

Go fuck yourself asshole.

Then leave now. As "there is no hope", and the hopeless are not something any people need in their midst.[/FONT][/COLOR]
Hopelessness is not a quality of an individual, dumbass. It's an appraisal of future prospects. If dealer gets 21 at the blackjack table only an idiot holds out hope for a win. Every avenue for rescuing democracy from the Neo-cons has failed. The only avenue not explored has been bloody revolution, and that never results in democracy.

[QUOTE]Because you lose a single representative democratic contest, you despair.

No, the Necons are in controll of all 3 branches of government. That is not a single electoral contest, that is the trend of the country, the decline into fascism. I held out hope when there was hope to be had, you've won. We're a one-party fascist state now. I hope you're happy. You certainly seem to be.

Once again,.. do what is best for those you cherish as well and forcefully as you can. But if you can not stick with even your own ideals (democracy), then you'd best leave the US and get your education of how societies work elsewhere, because you will be chewed up and spat out (mostly by your own internal processes) and be miserable in your hatred-inflicted woundings.
That's the plan. Back to Europe and let you stew in your own rancid corruption. For your sake I hope you never grow up. The shock you'd be in for in realizing what you and your ilk are doing would be more than you could ever stand.

May the Canadans [who are from Canadia and speak Canadan] be happy with our "hopeless", and learn from you the value of America.

Best wishes to you, my friend. :D[/FONT][/COLOR]

The only person on NS to refer to Canada as 'Canadia' or Canadian English as 'Canadan' is Iakeokeo.

Best wishes? That's not what you said the other day.

Sweetiekins.

When Europe has trouble, ie the Balkans, the World Wars, etc, they certainly do call on America. The EU is not a single entity, and even if it were, it is not stronger than the US. I suppose economically it may be, or at least very close, but in other areas not even close.

Americans always show up to grab the prize from those who fought the war.
The EU in itself is stronger economically and slowly getting there militarily.

If you don't love America, give your place to someone who does. Or,.. if you're not American, and hate America, be very VERY careful.

I did not hear anybody say that he/she actually hates america. You are just acting like you would shoot anyone trying to say something against the system. You think america could threaten everyone without consequences? *laughs* You know military is not the only way to fight a war. Economy is another good one.

The only person on NS to refer to Canada as 'Canadia' or Canadian English as 'Canadan' is Iakeokeo.

Best wishes? That's not what you said the other day.

Sweetiekins.
I had just deduced that myself awhile ago,but was not sure enough to say

Iakeokeo said (while pretendeing to be Hurhurhur): if you're not American, and hate America, be very VERY careful.

Why? Is your idea of America so nervous of the thoughts and opinions of foreigners that they might lash out, or just what did you mean by that particular bon mot?

I voted the Green Party throughout. Not my fault many of my countrymen are morons. When WW3 starts, remember to spare my life :rolleyes:

Great, you wasted your votes. Congratulations, you basically voted for Bush. Asshole.

Americans always show up to grab the prize from those who fought the war.
The EU in itself is stronger economically and slowly getting there militarily.
I have exercised regularly with EU troops, and no disrespect, but they have a long ways to go.
Also, in the Balkans Clinton was pushed into a war NOT ours, because EU could do nothing alone. And the "prize"in WW2 vs Germany?Again, not OUR fight, we did not have anything against Germany, it was European a$$es we bailed out, and the prize was that our forces and production capacity not only turned the tide in Europe, but rebuilt the European nations with the Marshall plan.

I did not hear anybody say that he/she actually hates america. You are just acting like you would shoot anyone trying to say something against the system. You think america could threaten everyone without consequences? *laughs* You know military is not the only way to fight a war. Economy is another good one.

Well, I hate America now, and I'm an American citizen.

Well, I hate America now, and I'm an American citizen.
If you hate America, you really should leave. The fact many Kerry supporters were also America haters, made many people's decisions for them easier.

Because radical change in our present political system is impossible, if you cast a vote for Nadar or Bednarik you accomplished nothing. The only way you can go about change is vote for the major candidate who is closest to your views. If we keep electing candidates who are closer and closer to a libertarian candidate, eventually we will have one.

So which of the two major candidates was closest to libertarian? Whoever you think it was, you're high. If we all vote for the Government Party and ignore the rest, the Government Party will keep ignoring us.

Well, I hate America now, and I'm an American citizen.

Understandably so. My sincere condolences, Bhantara. But we could use a few good disaffected Americans up here, so consider all your options, okay?

These claims of 'jealousy' of American citizens who have actually made the effort to go out and vote for a President who has actually managed to regress their country economically, morally and in foreign relations so much are completely rediculous.

I'm English and mortified that Bush has been chosen to represent the American people's values and opinions for a further 4 years. NOT because I'm somehow jealous or upset that 'my side' didn't win. Kerry was simply the lesser of two evils. Anything but Bush. It sickens me the way British and American relations have maintained their strengh over the past 4 years and how Bush has influenced British actions.

I despair for the American people mindlessly bleating their praise for Bush while he morally bankrupts the country they appear to be so proud of.

And I do feel sympathy for those Americans who have this horror thurst upon them after voting alternatively.

Perhaps a wee bit of tactical voting wouldn't have gone amiss. That is, for the less politically minded amongst you, whatever your political preference, voting for Kerry. But it's all over now. So apart from whinging over internet forums their isn't an awful lot that can be done about it.

wow! People sure can get uppity about stuff that didn't even happen in their country. As an American, my opinion is, if it dosn't affect me imediatly, i don't worry about it. God will sort it all out, and I just need to make an effort to better what i can. and what is this guy? :gundge:

So which of the two major candidates was closest to libertarian? Whoever you think it was, you're high. If we all vote for the Government Party and ignore the rest, the Government Party will keep ignoring us.

What? Who's high? Who's the Government Party? Why wiould they ignore you if you all vote for them? Who's eating this chicken sandwich?

Oh, phew. It's me. Where's the mayo?

I have exercised regularly with EU troops, and no disrespect, but they have a long ways to go.
Also, in the Balkans Clinton was pushed into a war NOT ours, because EU could do nothing alone. And the "prize"in WW2 vs Germany?Again, not OUR fight, we did not have anything against Germany, it was European a$$es we bailed out, and the prize was that our forces and production capacity not only turned the tide in Europe, but rebuilt the European nations with the Marshall plan.

Troops suck. This I know. Technology, well, they advance rapidly. As for WWII, my people won that war (Soviets) not you Americans.

wow! People sure can get uppity about stuff that didn't even happen in their country. As an American, my opinion is, if it dosn't affect me imediatly, i don't worry about it. God will sort it all out, and I just need to make an effort to better what i can. and what is this guy? :gundge:

Yeah there's nothing worse than uppity humans, worrying about stuff that doesn't concern them. They oughtta know their place, huh? Like black people used to know theirs, riiiiight?

Riiiiiight.

wow! People sure can get uppity about stuff that didn't even happen in their country. As an American, my opinion is, if it dosn't affect me imediatly, i don't worry about it. God will sort it all out, and I just need to make an effort to better what i can. and what is this guy? :gundge:

Firstly. I'm not upperty, more dissappointed with Americans on a whole.

Secondly. I'm glad you have your faith to help you. I mean in a country that kills it's own citizens and sends the rest to fight and die in another country, faith is a useful thing to have. Take pity on all the American atheists.

Thirdly. I think that guy is brandishing some form of science fiction weapon.

I just wanted to announce that I have lost all faith in the intelligence and integrity of Americans I feel that now we deserve what we get for electing this administration back into office. I have every intention of one day soon moving to either Canada or England and I'm not joking. I have lost all faith in the people of my nation I never believed that we could be so foolish as to allow this man to continue his tirade for anther 4 years. I refuse to consider my self a citizen of a country that would chose this man as there leader and representative to the world. I am truly enraged at my fellow Americans for allowing this unspeakably horrible leader to be our president. I have lost my belief in the intellect of Americans. I am done, my faith is dead and now all I am left with is the sad reality I must face as one used to have such great faith in America and what it once stood for.

These claims of 'jealousy' of American citizens who have actually made the effort to go out and vote for a President who has actually managed to regress their country economically, morally and in foreign relations so much are completely rediculous.

I'm English and mortified that Bush has been chosen to represent the American people's values and opinions for a further 4 years. NOT because I'm somehow jealous or upset that 'my side' didn't win. Kerry was simply the lesser of two evils. Anything but Bush. It sickens me the way British and American relations have maintained their strengh over the past 4 years and how Bush has influenced British actions.

I despair for the American people mindlessly bleating their praise for Bush while he morally bankrupts the country they appear to be so proud of.

And I do feel sympathy for those Americans who have this horror thurst upon them after voting alternatively.

Perhaps a wee bit of tactical voting wouldn't have gone amiss. That is, for the less politically minded amongst you, whatever your political preference, voting for Kerry. But it's all over now. So apart from whinging over internet forums their isn't an awful lot that can be done about it.

Other than emigrate to a land free from jingoism, yes, you're entirely correct.

i never said anything about people knowing there place. I mearly stated that it's almost childish to complain about stuff that happened that you have no control over. Much like a child complaining about a long car ride. It's simply insane. And please...what is that green guy supposed to be?

And please...what is that green guy supposed to be?
See my above post

I just wanted to announce that I have lost all faith in the intelligence and integrity of Americans I feel that now we deserve what we get for electing this administration back into office. I have every intention of one day soon moving to either Canada or England and I'm not joking. I have lost all faith in the people of my nation I never believed that we could be so foolish as to allow this man to continue his tirade for anther 4 years. I refuse to consider my self a citizen of a country that would chose this man as there leader and representative to the world. I am truly enraged at my fellow Americans for allowing this unspeakably horrible leader to be our president. I have lost my belief in the intellect of Americans. I am done, my faith is dead and now all I am left with is the sad reality I must face as one used to have such great faith in America and what it once stood for.

Don't lose hope, come to where hope lives. All of you. Come. Be free. Have a toke. Marry your homosexual partner. Vote for one of over five official political parties.

If you do emigrate, and you think I had anything to do with your decision, just remember to return the favour by coming around and shovelling the snow off my sidewalk, okay?

thank you, i didn't notivce it the first time i reloaded the page.

Marry your homosexual partner

Ahh don't even get me started on that. What a joke. Why should he enforce his religious beliefs upon a country so diverse as America.

Well for Bush especially :fluffle: I think it's fair to say both smilies appear unmistakably male.

I used to get very angry with America, and always had to remind myself not to vent at Americans, but instead at their administration. Now that the dust has settled, I can now hold my head high and disparage American voters for the transgressions of their elected officials.

It's said that in a democracy, the electorate gets the leadership they deserve. I just can't think of anything more to say than that.

Four more years of fear & loathing. Enjoy.

I don't blame you for how you feel about America - I'm quite disgusted with my country too! Yes, four more years of fear and loathing.

But before you start to generalize all Americans as stupid pro-Bush supporters, just remember that our country is still VERY CLOSELY DIVIDED. So for every American you meet who is an ignorant, gun-toting, bible thumping, Bush fan - there is always another who is totally the opposite and would like nothing more then to go back to the more intelligent, virtuous ideals of our founding fathers.

and now, a quote for today: "Populus stultus viris indignis honores saepe dat." - Horace
(Translation: "Stupid people often give honors to unworthy men.")

i never said anything about people knowing there place. I mearly stated that it's almost childish to complain about stuff that happened that you have no control over. Much like a child complaining about a long car ride. It's simply insane. And please...what is that green guy supposed to be?

You said that non-Americans are 'uppity'. That is a term usually used to describe people who are attempting, in a socially-destructive manner, to 'rise above their station', and has been used repeatedly in the context in American slavery in the 20th century.

So excuse ME, but that's exactly what you were saying. You might have INTENDED to convey a different message, but your choice of words was...shall I say, indelicate at best?

I couldn't help noticing your name, and I wondered if it is an anagram...

my apploagies. I'm actually in class and have just woke up. I didn't mean that at all. I just get tired of people worring about things that they can not change. I meant no malace to anyone.

Troops suck. This I know. Technology, well, they advance rapidly. As for WWII, my people won that war (Soviets) not you Americans.
Your people did indeed fight admirably in WW2. However, again, it was your war, Hitler, for some idiotic reason known only to him, invaded and opened up a two front war, which killed him. Also American and British supplies were shipped to the Soviet Union into the Kola Peninsula,and many American and British sailors lost their lives to U-Boats bringing those supplies, so probably you would do well remembering that as well,and remembering that it was the two front war that won, not the Soviets, if Hitler had been able to knock out the western allies,as he nearly did before America intervened, and concentrate on the Soviet Union, he would have won there also, as he very nearly did anyway.

Your people did indeed fight admirably in WW2. However, again, it was your war, Hitler, for some idiotic reason known only to him, invaded and opened up a two front war, which killed him. Also American and British supplies were shipped to the Soviet Union into the Kola Peninsula,and many American and British sailors lost their lives to U-Boats bringing those supplies, so probably you would do well remembering that as well,and remembering that it was the two front war that won, not the Soviets, if Hitler had been able to knock out the western allies,as he nearly did before America intervened, and concentrate on the Soviet Union, he would have won there also, as he very nearly did anyway.

True. Without American supply assistance to the Soviet Union, it would have fallen in the first three years.

my apploagies. I'm actually in class and have just woke up. I didn't mean that at all. I just get tired of people worring about things that they can not change. I meant no malace to anyone.

Okay, I had the same thing happen to me yesterday.

I couldn't help noticing your name, and I wondered if it is an anagram...
My name is just a different way of spelling Metal Head. I love metal music. Hardcore, metal, punk. Anything fast and loud.

I don't blame you for how you feel about America - I'm quite disgusted with my country too! Yes, four more years of fear and loathing.

But before you start to generalize all Americans as stupid pro-Bush supporters, just remember that our country is still VERY CLOSELY DIVIDED. So for every American you meet who is an ignorant, gun-toting, bible thumping, Bush fan - there is always another who is totally the opposite and would like nothing more then to go back to the more intelligent, virtuous ideals of our founding fathers.

and now, a quote for today: "Populus stultus viris indignis honores saepe dat." - Horace
(Translation: "Stupid people often give honors to unworthy men.")
I find it amusing that you have no respect for the vote of the people. Do you somehow believe you are an all knowing all intelligent being? Just a quick FYI...Bush is more in step with the founding fathers you mentioned, the left liberal cause is almost directly opposite these founding fathers, who actually were bible thumping,gun toting, etc.

Okay, I had the same thing happen to me yesterday.
no harm done.

*thinks he better changes the site*
I really don't care too much about what Bush does to your country. Your own fault I guess. Anyway I do care what he does to the rest of the world. BTW: The argument "america gets other countries out of their problems" is definitely true as long as there is some oil or other ressources to get from there. Where was america in Syria, Sudan or Korea? They are worse than Afghanistan and partly even worse than Iraq. "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction" *laughs* thats a reason to fight a war if you are sure about it. But North Korea builds them or already has them. But why invade countries you don't get oil? Nah why should you do that... better pulverise some taxes for oil than for human rights and act like heros.

Your people did indeed fight admirably in WW2. However, again, it was your war, Hitler, for some idiotic reason known only to him, invaded and opened up a two front war, which killed him. Also American and British supplies were shipped to the Soviet Union into the Kola Peninsula,and many American and British sailors lost their lives to U-Boats bringing those supplies, so probably you would do well remembering that as well,and remembering that it was the two front war that won, not the Soviets, if Hitler had been able to knock out the western allies,as he nearly did before America intervened, and concentrate on the Soviet Union, he would have won there also, as he very nearly did anyway.

It's true. Your country is very big and has lots of people. How ever did you manage it?

Only a sixth of Americans voted for Bush - a lot of us are still in shock at the election returns.

He won popular
Over 50 percent

So your sample either includes those that chose not to vote … or everyone including non of age citizens.

In the first case (and I say this with love) you should have done your duty and voted. Either way, just voted for something

I used to get very angry with America, and always had to remind myself not to vent at Americans, but instead at their administration. Now that the dust has settled, I can now hold my head high and disparage American voters for the transgressions of their elected officials.

It's said that in a democracy, the electorate gets the leadership they deserve. I just can't think of anything more to say than that.

Four more years of fear & loathing. Enjoy.

Me? ME?!?!?! Don't look at ME! I voted for John Kerry! I volunteered for Kerry! I gave all the money I could possibly GIVE to the Kerry campaign! Unlike the 51% of people who voted for Bush, I did not succumb to this mass psychosis.

Be a good little European and understand that many of us fought tooth and nail against Bush.

I used to get very angry with America, and always had to remind myself not to vent at Americans, but instead at their administration. Now that the dust has settled, I can now hold my head high and disparage American voters for the transgressions of their elected officials.

It's said that in a democracy, the electorate gets the leadership they deserve. I just can't think of anything more to say than that.

Four more years of fear & loathing. Enjoy.

But you're still only talking about a little over half the voting population. I was with the minority? Is it okay to shake your fists at the whole when there's an oppressed minority to think of?

I teach English at a public high school. For the past four years I've watched our schools bullied by NCLB. We're fighting for our lives and the lives of our children here... be kind. We're as divided a nation as ever and those of us struggling to uphold the original ideals of the nation's founders are having a hard time of it, particularly knowing that we don't have any support because it's just too easy to "hate the ugly Americans" than it is to try to help the rest of us.

But you're still only talking about a little over half the voting population. I was with the minority? Is it okay to shake your fists at the whole when there's an oppressed minority to think of?

I teach English at a public high school. For the past four years I've watched our schools bullied by NCLB. We're fighting for our lives and the lives of our children here... be kind. We're as divided a nation as ever and those of us struggling to uphold the original ideals of the nation's founders are having a hard time of it, particularly knowing that we don't have any support because it's just too easy to "hate the ugly Americans" than it is to try to help the rest of us.

Who are people supposed to shake their fist at? The "ugly American" is quite real, that is why it's so easy to hate him.

Enjoy your patriot act...

Me? ME?!?!?! Don't look at ME! I voted for John Kerry! I volunteered for Kerry! I gave all the money I could possibly GIVE to the Kerry campaign! Unlike the 51% of people who voted for Bush, I did not succumb to this mass psychosis.

Be a good little European and understand that many of us fought tooth and nail against Bush.
Why is it you clarify our votes(you know, the majority) as "mass psychosis"??
My vote and most that I know were as well thought out or better than yours. I give the Kerry voters the benefit of the doubt that they may have been thinking, why do I get from them the belief that the majority of this nation was somehow wrong or voted for other reasons or without thinking>? It is that elitist &*#^ that lost the vote for Kerry.

Only a sixth of Americans voted for Bush - a lot of us are still in shock at the election returns.

About 3 million less than 1/6 of Americans voted for Kerry(hah!). Most of us are cheering and eleted that Bush won not only in the electoral college in a landslide, but by a very comfortable margin in the poular vote. This election was nowhere near what it was like in 2000. Nice try, but America spoke and Bush still won despite what you think.

Whew! Everyone calm down.

This was a fair election, and Senator Kerry has graciously conceded victory to President Bush. I'm sorry that it might not have turned out the way you wanted, but this is how a democratic republic works.

No side had the moral high-ground in terms of trying to influence public opinion, as both parties were viciously trying to destroy one-another's candidate.

Neither candidate, regardless of what any of you may have thought about his policies, is evil. To refer to them as such lets truly evil people like Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler, Stalin (depends on your POV), Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Il, and many others be viewed in a less condemning light.

The world will not end because of this election, and the United States of America will not collapse.

Oh, and Metl Hed, the smilie that you were asking about is firing a GES BioRifle from Unreal Tournament.

Who are people supposed to shake their fist at? The "ugly American" is quite real, that is why it's so easy to hate him.

Enjoy your patriot act...

Everyday that we wake up not being attacked by some terrorist is a day we enjoy the Patriot Act and its effects on us. I'd much rather be an ugly American than whatever you are, though.

But you're still only talking about a little over half the voting population. I was with the minority? Is it okay to shake your fists at the whole when there's an oppressed minority to think of?

I teach English at a public high school. For the past four years I've watched our schools bullied by NCLB. We're fighting for our lives and the lives of our children here... be kind. We're as divided a nation as ever and those of us struggling to uphold the original ideals of the nation's founders are having a hard time of it, particularly knowing that we don't have any support because it's just too easy to "hate the ugly Americans" than it is to try to help the rest of us.
Riven, I like your posts, they are usually well said and thoughtful, but it is unfortunate in this one that you seem to be looking down your nose as well at the voice of the people. Also, our founding fathers, I am sure you realize, were much closer to the Bush ideal than to the liberal left ideals. The believed in God, in providence, in right, in wrong, in the fact that freedom is worth fighting for. Liberals believe in none of that, as far as I can see.
There is no oppressed minority in this country. Every day I see results of an oppressed MAJORITY, as even the losers in this election are doing now.
I am glad you are a teacher, it means you touch the lives of your students, and as I said before, I think you usually are quite clear in your thoughts, which is an honorable achievment. I urge you though to open your eyes to the fact that America needs people like yourself, and under all the issues, America is NOT really that divided, we are all still Americans.

I used to get very angry with America, and always had to remind myself not to vent at Americans, but instead at their administration. Now that the dust has settled, I can now hold my head high and disparage American voters for the transgressions of their elected officials.

It's said that in a democracy, the electorate gets the leadership they deserve. I just can't think of anything more to say than that.

Four more years of fear & loathing. Enjoy.
You people need to get a life. Worry about your own country for a change.

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