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With Kerry conceding the race,America is dead. The American experiment in democracy was killed in its sleep with the Republican trifecta. We now face a long decline into imperialistic theocracy of the likes which has never been seen before,but was most closely emulated in the 1930s.

Soon to be gone: Amendments I,III-X,the right for homosexuals to be treated as more than pond scum and any semblance of civil justice for those trampled upon by the Republican machine.

Appearing on the horizon: government in a woman's uterus,more corporate welfare,an end to all regulation,zero taxes for the wealthy,all non-management jobs outsourced,fundamentalist Christianity shoved down everyone's throat,and our own version of Auschwiz for liberals,gays and Muslims.

Winston Churchill once said "We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old."

Now it appears that the Old World must set forth to the liberation and rescue of the New...

Do you know the real sad about this? With all these propaganda, the americans wont even see that its time to change it. They will just sit in their houses and being ruled by a republican dictator.

With Kerry conceding the race,America is dead. The American experiment in democracy was killed in its sleep with the Republican trifecta. We now face a long decline into imperialistic theocracy of the likes which has never been seen before,but was most closely emulated in the 1930s.

Soon to be gone: Amendments I,III-X,the right for homosexuals to be treated as more than pond scum and any semblance of civil justice for those trampled upon by the Republican machine.

Appearing on the horizon: government in a woman's uterus,more corporate welfare,an end to all regulation,zero taxes for the wealthy,all non-management jobs outsourced,fundamentalist Christianity shoved down everyone's throat,and our own version of Auschwiz for liberals,gays and Muslims.

Winston Churchill once said "We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old."

Now it appears that the Old World must set forth to the liberation and rescue of the New...

Although you are somewhat dramatic, I concur with your assessment.

Although you are somewhat dramatic, I concur with your assessment.


Oddly enough, I concur as well.

Mm, indeed. And I am an American. I dislike the way we're going, but the majority has voted, and I, the humble minority it seems. But, it will get better, hopefully in four years...if we haven't been liberated like Iraq by that time.

Mm, indeed. And I am an American. I dislike the way we're going, but the majority has voted, and I, the humble minority it seems. But, it will get better, hopefully in four years...if we haven't been liberated like Iraq by that time.
My thoughts exactly... it sucks, but to say we're forever fucked is naive and overly reactionary.

The reason Bush got re-elected simple, he only appealed to lower-educated rednecks and other fools. Sadly, there are far too many of those in this country, since Bush got re-elected, warn all the Iranians you know that Bush is coming. (oh trust just watch in a year or two we'll be there fighting to eliminate Islam, that's my thought of why Bush invaded Iraq and will soon invade Iran)

The scary thing is that you may be right. I am glad I am living in Austria

Bloody hell dudes there will be another election in four years- relax.

With Kerry conceding the race,America is dead. The American experiment in democracy was killed in its sleep with the Republican trifecta. We now face a long decline into imperialistic theocracy of the likes which has never been seen before,but was most closely emulated in the 1930s.

Soon to be gone: Amendments I,III-X,the right for homosexuals to be treated as more than pond scum and any semblance of civil justice for those trampled upon by the Republican machine.

Appearing on the horizon: government in a woman's uterus,more corporate welfare,an end to all regulation,zero taxes for the wealthy,all non-management jobs outsourced,fundamentalist Christianity shoved down everyone's throat,and our own version of Auschwiz for liberals,gays and Muslims.

Winston Churchill once said "We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old."

Now it appears that the Old World must set forth to the liberation and rescue of the New...

I do not concur with you. There have been plenty of times in which the Democrats have controlled all three houses. The world didnt end when you folks controlled it and it wont end now. For the love of God no one is ever happy when people vote. As for our own version of Aushwitz, give me a break chicken little.

There is one benefit to this. After 4 more years of Bush, I can't imagine we'll see another Republican in the White House for a long time. I really don't have a whole lot of faith in the American people, but they will be forced to remove their blinders eventually. Unfortunately, I fear many will have to die before that happens.

With Kerry conceding the race,America is dead. The American experiment in democracy was killed in its sleep with the Republican trifecta. We now face a long decline into imperialistic theocracy of the likes which has never been seen before,but was most closely emulated in the 1930s.

Soon to be gone: Amendments I,III-X,the right for homosexuals to be treated as more than pond scum and any semblance of civil justice for those trampled upon by the Republican machine.

Appearing on the horizon: government in a woman's uterus,more corporate welfare,an end to all regulation,zero taxes for the wealthy,all non-management jobs outsourced,fundamentalist Christianity shoved down everyone's throat,and our own version of Auschwiz for liberals,gays and Muslims.

Winston Churchill once said "We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old."

Now it appears that the Old World must set forth to the liberation and rescue of the New...

If you're going to whine about it you can leave the country or if you are SO crippled by your emotions you can die. Both of them are idiots and were going to screw the country over anyways DEAL WITH IT. Don't come on here and whine like some @$%^ baby. That just shows you are lazy and/or are too stupid to run for office yourself.

As an American who lost my health insurance when my job was outsourced to Bombay, now works part time for a health insurance company for less pay (and still no insurance) while paying unsubsidized student loans on a degree program that's on the verge of being cut from my school (just like all ethnic studies were just 2 years ago)... all I can do is wonder why people didn't vote on the real issues.

Although you are somewhat dramatic, I concur with your assessment.


There's no "somewhat" to it and I hardly concur.

I've seen calls for assassination in other posts, and now a liberation speech written by some random forum junkie who (to my knowlege) holds little to no political sway.

And the sad fact is, none of us are going to do a damn thing but sit on our asses and say that the sky is falling. All the while harboring resentment for anyone who holds an opposing view. Pathetic ain't it?

Bloody hell dudes there will be another election in four years- relax.

that's if we'll be alive to vote then. time to kiss all our basic freedoms goodbye... i was really planning on attending college this spring but since he's cutting financial aid i cant do anything. and i'm not gonna go fight his unjust war for freedom. this just proves how well scare tactics work in america.

There is one benefit to this. After 4 more years of Bush, I can't imagine we'll see another Republican in the White House for a long time. I really don't have a whole lot of faith in the American people, but they will be forced to remove their blinders eventually. Unfortunately, I fear many will have to die before that happens.

Rudy Guilanni is a possible contender. Colin Powell is always a popular thought. The Dems really dont have any strong folks capable of running.

The scary thing is that Bush really doesn't have to watch what he does this time around. He can do whatever he wants to "fight terrorism" in the homeland and take away as many of our rights away as he wants because now he doesn't have to worry about re-election. He now has nothing to lose. That's very scary..

The scary thing is that Bush really doesn't have to watch what he does this time around. He can do whatever he wants to "fight terrorism" in the homeland and take away as many of our rights away as he wants because now he doesn't have to worry about re-election. He now has nothing to lose. That's very scary..

Remember that he is PRESIDENT not a fucking dictator asshole. Besides he's have to convince your stupid liberal friends to sign the bill anyways. REMEMBER we have a SENATE AND HOUSE OF REPRESENITIVES. If the bill was that bad checks and balances would makes sure it didn't get through. Some of you people are SUCH n00bs to government.

American is going to repeal the quartering amendment? And the civil suit amendment?

Remember that he is PRESIDENT not a fucking dictator asshole.Knock off the flaming. Now.

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And so it was that the candle of hope that was aflame, fuelled by the possibility the theocracy dictatorship of Dubya may be ended was snuffed out.

And so it was that this day shall be remembered for the day when the world looked on in horror, and shivered at the news that filtered through.


And so it was, that a Tyrant was allowed to continue, the worst egomaniac since Hitler or Stalin.


And so it was, that future generations would look upon this day as generations do upon Berlin in 1933, the rise to power of a tyrant with global dominating ambitions, when he could have been stopped.


And so it was this shall be the day that future generations shall look upon this day as the day nuclear war and armegeddon could have been avoided.


And so it was that this shall be the day where if what Dubya is capable of will happen, will lead to the hatred of everything American for eons.


And so it was that that this shall be the day that Osama Bin Laden laughed and laughed because the biggest recruiter to his cause was re-instated.


And so it was, and sadly, so it shall be. For nobody expected much from Kerry, but knew what to expect from Dubya.


The horror. The horror.

And so it was that the candle of hope that was aflame, fuelled by the possibility the theocracy dictatorship of Dubya may be ended was snuffed out.

And so it was that this day shall be remembered for the day when the world looked on in horror, and shivered at the news that filtered through.


And so it was, that a Tyrant was allowed to continue, the worst egomaniac since Hitler or Stalin.


And so it was, that future generations would look upon this day as generations do upon Berlin in 1933, the rise to power of a tyrant with global dominating ambitions, when he could have been stopped.


And so it was this shall be the day that future generations shall look upon this day as the day nuclear war and armegeddon could have been avoided.


And so it was that this shall be the day where if what Dubya is capable of will happen, will lead to the hatred of everything American for eons.


And so it was that that this shall be the day that Osama Bin Laden laughed and laughed because the biggest recruiter to his cause was re-instated.


And so it was, and sadly, so it shall be. For nobody expected much from Kerry, but knew what to expect from Dubya.


The horror. The horror.

Lame....

Remember that he is PRESIDENT not a fucking dictator asshole.

But look what their Administration has already done, and why are you getting so angry about all of this? That's the problem with this country as a whole, we're getting so divided and angry about this stuff, but why? I'm an asshole now because I'm afraid of more Patriot Acts, because I cherish my freedoms. Sorry, but I call that a concerned citizen.

I never attacked you or your ideas. All I did was express my opinion and you have grown angry and hateful toward me. I think you need to mature just a little bit. If you can't come into a discussion without getting angry and calling people names, you really shouldn't even have came here in the first place.

holy crap....

Besides he's have to convince your stupid liberal friends to sign the bill anyways.
No, not really. The Republicans control both the House and the Senate. Also, Bush is likely to replace some Supreme Court justices, and we're stuck with them for a loooong time.

LOL Ive been waiting for this moment for 2 years now. Please continue your whining and crying kerry lovers, I savor every second of it! Next time try to pick a real canidate LOSERS. Bush won the popular vote and most states.
This sends a messaage to all terrorists and weak liberal euros. SUCK IT UP !
America will do what we need to do to take care of itself.
This is another GREAT DAY for AMERICA.

Wow. With liberal lies like that, you can't go wrong.....the election is over. George W. Bush has won a second term as our nation's 43rd President....

Me!

But look what their Administration has already done, and why are you getting so angry about all of this? That's the problem with this country as a whole, we're getting so divided and angry about this stuff, but why? I'm an asshole now because I'm afraid of more Patriot Acts, because I cherish my freedoms. Sorry, but I call that a concerned citizen.

I never attacked you or your ideas. All I did was express my opinion and you have grown angry and hateful toward me. I think you need to mature just a little bit. If you can't come into a discussion without getting angry and calling people names, you really shouldn't even have came here in the first place.

He was overreacting to your overreaction. Why is it so difficult for some of you to understand how the political system works? What freedoms have you lost ... be HONEST!!!

But look what their Administration has already done, and why are you getting so angry about all of this? That's the problem with this country as a whole, we're getting so divided and angry about this stuff, but why? I'm an asshole now because I'm afraid of more Patriot Acts, because I cherish my freedoms. Sorry, but I call that a concerned citizen.




Your rights™ have been copyrighted. Have a nice day.

One thing I saw in a poll recently shows how divided the country is/will be:
An NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll asked people whether they agreed or disagreed with the statement: "No matter who wins the election, America will have a good president."
Just 30% said they agreed while two-thirds said they disagreed.

So America is certainly in for interesting times ahead.

I think two ppl who'll be cheering the loudest for Bush will be Michael Moore ("I can get at least two more films from this! Oh, think of the money!") and Osama Bin Laden ("More recruits! More recruits!")

OH come on people, its not that bad. My candidate lost, but, the Republicans have an extremely slim majority (in most of the states that either side won the margin was within a couple of percentage points).

That is hardly an overwhelming endorsement for anything.

Sure the Christian Right managed to outvote the Liberal Left. They have a concerted message, while the Left doesn't have one (a concerted one, it has entirely too many messages).

We survived Reagan who was just as Reactionary as Bush II and we will survive this guy. On the plus side, the Democrats will almost certainly take the House and Senate next election (historical trends overwhelmingly in that direction and they are starting to use the tools the Republicans have been using for the last 20 years... finally).

Neither of our candidates have anywhere the charisma of Reagan or Clinton. Historically, it is VERY HARD to remove a sitting President in an election in wartime. It has never happened. The only President who failed to win reelection in a war was LBJ, and he chose not to run (admittedly, he probably would have lost and would have died in his second term anyway).

So the American people by a slim majority have chosen to stick with the status quo because for the most part, it is scary to switch leaders during a time of uncertainity.

We have three branches of government, and believe me, the Democrat Party has plenty of strength to prevent anything odious from happening, as does the moderate wing of the Republican Party.

Personally I am saddened that the US has made the wrong choice (in my view), I have real concerns about Bush's competence, and more importantly, the competence of his principal policy people.

They will continue to screw up, but hopefully the damage can be fixed, it just will take longer.

And if they screw up bad enough, the pendelum will finally swing back toward the Left and 20 years from now we will be screaming about how the government is too Liberal.

Unless the Greenland ice cap continues to melt at the current rate, then we will be busy building a new capital as DC will be under water.

All I've heard is whining. Come on, some of you don't even live here! Our policies are our own, we don't encroach upon your elections! Kerry was unstable, and to hateful toward Bush to become re-elected. Betting on a campaign of hate and slander is a bad way to get re-elected, and thats why Kerry lost! 3.5 Million more intelligent republicans (I've yet to meet an intelligent democrat) have voted for Bush. Ohio has stayed true to our cause, and the GOP has won South Dakota from Dashal (SP) Now all we need is 4 years of peace, prosparity to clean up the mess Saddam left for us over in Iraq.

You people are funny. So wrapped up in ideology that you can't see the truth. Things may lean slightly in the next four years, but there will be another election, and the "Evil Bush" will not be able to run. Honestly, comparing Bush to Stalin and Hitler does nothing to persuade. Vent if you must, but please return to reality at some point.

As an American who lost my health insurance when my job was outsourced to Bombay, now works part time for a health insurance company for less pay (and still no insurance) while paying unsubsidized student loans on a degree program that's on the verge of being cut from my school (just like all ethnic studies were just 2 years ago)... all I can do is wonder why people didn't vote on the real issues.
You work....for a health insurance company....and they don't even give you health insurance????

Betting on a campaign of hate and slander is a bad way to get re-elected
Worked for Bush this time.

This administration won because they played dirty pool. Kerry concertrated on the facts, and issues, he answeared people question and talked to the American people. Meanwhile Bush just screamed, Terror, Danger, Bin Laden, Danger, Terror! A Kerry Presidency will bring on the next attack! And so on and so on. They used scare tactics and mud slinging thats all they did. And you people FELL FOR IT! God! I am a pilot and Thank to Bush he is destorying the industry. Maybe when Bush goes on TV in two years and declare Martial law, maybe THEN you will wake up and realize the terrible miskate yall have made! I voted, I voted for Kerry, so I have a right to complain! NOW, The Republican has control of Congress, Senate and now the White House! Good bye Check and balance, Remember Vietnam? The reason Vietnam went on so long because there was very little check and balance! The party that was in the White House at the time also controlled Congress. Now Bush has no oppoosition for ANYWHERE! He will now piss off the world, more blood will be spilled and Bush will delcare Martial Law and make himself Emporer!

...I'm afraid of more Patriot Acts, because I cherish my freedoms..



Being scared of the patriot act? Geez you would rather have a wolf in sheeps' clothing slaughter you wouldn't you? Sure Patriot act puts a few restrictions on us but with over 100 million citizens you can't filter everything.

You whine and make little things ALOT bigger than they are. You people need to be straightened out. You need to be able to recognize facts not some political fodder. All Kerry would have done is spoon fed you "nice words" and let the "wolves" get closer. SO please get you facts straight and shut up on these forums until you do.

Alot of protection is better than none at all. :sniper:

The scary thing is that you may be right. I am glad I am living in Austria

Can I join you?

You only have yourselves to blame, really.

But... is my reading of the elections right? It seems that the republicans cannot lose if it is a tie, because they get the entire of the Mid-west, pretty much, without even trying. Although these aren't your most populated areas, they still give a House vote (is this right?), so the republicans always win a tie. it also seems that the democrats cannot possibly win by a large margin, for the same reason. I wont say it's biased.... but....

Well, have a pleasant four years. :( You poor people.

All I've heard is whining. Come on, some of you don't even live here! Our policies are our own, we don't encroach upon your elections! Kerry was unstable, and to hateful toward Bush to become re-elected. Betting on a campaign of hate and slander is a bad way to get re-elected, and thats why Kerry lost! 3.5 Million more intelligent republicans (I've yet to meet an intelligent democrat) have voted for Bush. Ohio has stayed true to our cause, and the GOP has won South Dakota from Dashal (SP) Now all we need is 4 years of peace, prosparity to clean up the mess Saddam left for us over in Iraq.
You accused of Kerry being slanderous, and yet you slander all Democrats in your post. Also, 4 years of peace? Not gonna happen with Bush's track record.

All I've heard is whining. Come on, some of you don't even live here! Our policies are our own, we don't encroach upon your elections! Kerry was unstable, and to hateful toward Bush to become re-elected. Betting on a campaign of hate and slander is a bad way to get re-elected, and thats why Kerry lost! 3.5 Million more intelligent republicans (I've yet to meet an intelligent democrat) have voted for Bush. Ohio has stayed true to our cause, and the GOP has won South Dakota from Dashal (SP) Now all we need is 4 years of peace, prosparity to clean up the mess Saddam left for us over in Iraq.

Do you listen to yourself?

This administration won because they played dirty pool. Kerry concertrated on the facts, and issues, he answeared people question and talked to the American people. Meanwhile Bush just screamed, Terror, Danger, Bin Laden, Danger, Terror! A Kerry Presidency will bring on the next attack! And so on and so on. They used scare tactics and mud slinging thats all they did. And you people FELL FOR IT! God! I am a pilot and Thank to Bush he is destorying the industry. Maybe when Bush goes on TV in two years and declare Martial law, maybe THEN you will wake up and realize the terrible miskate yall have made! I voted, I voted for Kerry, so I have a right to complain! NOW, The Republican has control of Congress, Senate and now the White House! Good bye Check and balance, Remember Vietnam? The reason Vietnam went on so long because there was very little check and balance! The party that was in the White House at the time also controlled Congress. Now Bush has no oppoosition for ANYWHERE! He will now piss off the world, more blood will be spilled and Bush will delcare Martial Law and make himself Emporer!

I wonder if people believe half the crap they write...

This administration won because they played dirty pool. Kerry concertrated on the facts, and issues, he answeared people question and talked to the American people....

Kerry faultered and married a dog. He flopped around like a fishout of water telling what YOU want to hear not what is really happening. He'd be better off as a babysitter (although a perverted one) than a president of one of the most powerful nations in the world.

Someone said they dont find the Patriot act worrying. i dont even live in America and it scares me.

This administration won because they played dirty pool. Kerry concertrated on the facts, and issues, he answeared people question and talked to the American people. Meanwhile Bush just screamed, Terror, Danger, Bin Laden, Danger, Terror! A Kerry Presidency will bring on the next attack! And so on and so on. They used scare tactics and mud slinging thats all they did. And you people FELL FOR IT! God! I am a pilot and Thank to Bush he is destorying the industry. Maybe when Bush goes on TV in two years and declare Martial law, maybe THEN you will wake up and realize the terrible miskate yall have made! I voted, I voted for Kerry, so I have a right to complain! NOW, The Republican has control of Congress, Senate and now the White House! Good bye Check and balance, Remember Vietnam? The reason Vietnam went on so long because there was very little check and balance! The party that was in the White House at the time also controlled Congress. Now Bush has no oppoosition for ANYWHERE! He will now piss off the world, more blood will be spilled and Bush will delcare Martial Law and make himself Emporer!

On that note - check out this video ;)
http://hume.multipattern.com/mirror/2004/movies/misc/rnc-platform.mov

I wonder if people believe half the crap they write...

Just wait and see. We'll have another terrorist attack by OBL, Bush will get up and declare Martial Law and declare himself Emporer.

Someone said they dont find the Patriot act worrying. i dont even live in America and it scares me.

Sounds like success to me.... :mp5:

I know it's hard to grasp, and all, but not everyone has enough money to emigrate to another country and buy another residence :)

Just wait and see. We'll have another terrorist attack by OBL, Bush will get up and declare Martial Law and declare himself Emporer.
That's basically what Putin did.

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Originally Posted by Leppi
The scary thing is that you may be right. I am glad I am living in Austria



Can I join you?


Please do! May I pay for your ticket? One way that is.... :gundge:

Also, 4 years of peace? Not gonna happen with Bush's track record.
I find the prosperity part a little unlikely as well. Unless you're already a multi-millionaire, of course.

I know it's hard to grasp, and all, but not everyone has enough money to emigrate to another country and buy another residence :)

Walk or swim. Mexicans and Cubans can do it why can't you?

Sounds like success to me.... :mp5:

Very good. Your health, sir!

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Originally Posted by Morotican
Someone said they dont find the Patriot act worrying. i dont even live in America and it scares me.


Sounds like success to me.... :mp5:


Amen! ;)

With Kerry conceding the race,America is dead. The American experiment in democracy was killed in its sleep with the Republican trifecta. We now face a long decline into imperialistic theocracy of the likes which has never been seen before,but was most closely emulated in the 1930s.

Soon to be gone: Amendments I,III-X,the right for homosexuals to be treated as more than pond scum and any semblance of civil justice for those trampled upon by the Republican machine.

Appearing on the horizon: government in a woman's uterus,more corporate welfare,an end to all regulation,zero taxes for the wealthy,all non-management jobs outsourced,fundamentalist Christianity shoved down everyone's throat,and our own version of Auschwiz for liberals,gays and Muslims.

Winston Churchill once said "We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old."

Now it appears that the Old World must set forth to the liberation and rescue of the New...

Biggest crock of Shi@t I've ever heard!

If November 2, 2004 is the darkest day in American history what about December 7, 1941, the entire era of slavery, the day partial-birth abortion was legalized (because it's okay to kill a little baby before it has even had a chance to be a son of a b****), what about September 11, 2001, and so on and so fourth.

I guess all of these aren't that dark because slavery was ended by Republicans, September 11 was done by terrorists, December 7 was deserved, and partial-birth abortion is okay but capital punishment of a triple murderer and rapist isn't.

Remember Vietnam?

Because many veterans like myself DO REMEMBER VIETNAM Kerry didn't win the election.

Semper FI!

:sniper:

With Kerry conceding the race,America is dead. The American experiment in democracy was killed in its sleep with the Republican trifecta. We now face a long decline into imperialistic theocracy of the likes which has never been seen before,but was most closely emulated in the 1930s.

Soon to be gone: Amendments I,III-X,the right for homosexuals to be treated as more than pond scum and any semblance of civil justice for those trampled upon by the Republican machine.

Appearing on the horizon: government in a woman's uterus,more corporate welfare,an end to all regulation,zero taxes for the wealthy,all non-management jobs outsourced,fundamentalist Christianity shoved down everyone's throat,and our own version of Auschwiz for liberals,gays and Muslims.

Winston Churchill once said "We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old."

Now it appears that the Old World must set forth to the liberation and rescue of the New...

I STRONGLY suggest that all those with feelings like this leave the US now.

And renounce your citizenship.

If you feel that America is so weak in principle as to allow these dire "predictions" to happen, then America does not need you.

Please leave NOW..!



Or,.. become the loyal opposition, as you so profess, and fight for what you think is right and good.

You might be surprised to discover that we're actually on the same side on our journey toward "the good", and actually have a very similar view of what "the good" is, regardless of the hyperbolic nonsense presented in the above "prediction".

We simply have different views of how to get there.

Those who cling to this view that America is evil due to it's system and ANY particular party (or personality) in power, is the definition of ANTI-AMERICAN, and should leave now, not because of impending persecution, but because you'll either feel MUCH better living somewhere else, or you'll get a wonderful, though heart-wrenching, education in the true greatness of America by contrast.


PLEASE stay, if you are real non-anti-Americans, and become the very VERY necessary "loyal opposition".

The reason Bush got re-elected simple, he only appealed to lower-educated rednecks and other fools. Sadly, there are far too many of those in this country, since Bush got re-elected, warn all the Iranians you know that Bush is coming. (oh trust just watch in a year or two we'll be there fighting to eliminate Islam, that's my thought of why Bush invaded Iraq and will soon invade Iran)


So what your saying is that is OVER HALF the entire nation.

:upyours:

I guess all of these aren't that dark because slavery was ended by Republicans
Just a quick note, the abolitionists were the liberals of their time. The conservatives were the slaveholders in the South.

Just pointing that out, when you use liberal as an insult later on.

So what your saying is that is OVER HALF the entire nation.

:upyours:
no, over half the voters this time. Bush didnt win 51% of the country.

Just a quick note, the abolitionists were the liberals of their time. The conservatives were the slaveholders in the South.

Just pointing that out, when you use liberal as an insult later on.

I know that...

If November 2, 2004 is the darkest day in American history what about December 7, 1941, the entire era of slavery, the day partial-birth abortion was legalized (because it's okay to kill a little baby before it has even had a chance to be a son of a b****), what about September 11, 2001, and so on and so fourth.

I guess all of these aren't that dark because slavery was ended by Republicans, September 11 was done by terrorists, December 7 was deserved, and partial-birth abortion is okay but capital punishment of a triple murderer and rapist isn't.

Preach it to them! That shold shut them up alittle. Keep it up! :mp5:

Wow. So much drama (there's really no better word for it) over a guy who will be out of office in another four years. Well, you guys can all put your worries to rest. America is too strong a nation for anyone to drive it into ruin in eight years as president. The Republicans may control the presidency and the legislature, but that doesn't mean they have carte-blanche to do whatever they want.

Preach it to them! That shold shut them up alittle. Keep it up! :mp5:

I preach not nor will it shut any one up. But thank you for the support.

Sour grapes...

Liberalism, Self righteous-so called-self appointed-intellectuals, socialism in America.

Resting In Pieces....

:upyours:

Semper Fi!

You whiney liberals make me sick. Auschwitz? Are you crazy? No matter how much Bush dislikes the gays (I'm no huge fan myself), there's no way he could or would just put them in a death camp...they get treated just as well as the next person. So what if they can't get married? It's not like The Mighty Bush God just waved his arm and said, "There shall not be gay marriage." and saw that it was good!!! Get over yourself.

As for the (what the hell?) gov't being in the uterus, hello, newsflash - ABORTION IS FRIGGIN LEGAL!!! It shouldn't be, but dang...quit your bitchin' All you Dems are are just a bunch of sore losers. You had America 8 years (Clinton), we get it 8 years (Bush). Suck on it.

Wow. So much drama (there's really no better word for it) over a guy who will be out of office in another four years. Well, you guys can all put your worries to rest. America is too strong a nation for anyone to drive it into ruin in eight years as president. The Republicans may control the presidency and the legislature, but that doesn't mean they have carte-blanche to do whatever they want.

Exactly. This isn't Russia where Putin controls the entire upper house through the govenors and also the Constitutional Court through the upper house.

So what your saying is that is OVER HALF the entire nation.

:upyours:

Well, I doubt voter turn-out is 100%, but yea, Americans on the whole are rather ignorant.

warn all the Iranians you know that Bush is coming. (oh trust just watch in a year or two we'll be there fighting to eliminate Islam, that's my thought of why Bush invaded Iraq and will soon invade Iran)

I'd have to dissagree. I'd say we're there mostly for oil, but oil or Islam the Middle East will still be under attack.

See ya in Iraq.

As for the (what the hell?) gov't being in the uterus, hello, newsflash - ABORTION IS FRIGGIN LEGAL!!!
Wont be for long. Seriously, the way things are going, with likely Supreme Court replacements, abortion will be outlawed and we'll have a sort of Prohibition period for awhile, before the pendulum swings back again.

Well, I doubt voter turn-out is 100%, but yea, Americans on the whole are rather ignorant.

Humanity, on the whole, is rather ignorant. Usually about 50% of the country votes but this year had an additional some 11 - 15 million extra voters (99% reporting as of 12:20p). That is phenomenal and unprecendented. It's very good voter turn out, for once.

Wont be for long. Seriously, the way things are going, with likely Supreme Court replacements, abortion will be outlawed and we'll have a sort of Prohibition period for awhile, before the pendulum swings back again.

No it won't. Abortion will remain legal because of this. No matter what they pass, some judge will over turn it in California, New York, or another predominently liberal state, and it will be allowed. I doubt the Supreme Court would look at it though. It's a VERY controversial issue, regardless of who is sitting on the Court. The USSC tends to avoid very controversial issues.

I STRONGLY suggest that all those with feelings like this leave the US now.

And renounce your citizenship.

If you feel that America is so weak in principle as to allow these dire "predictions" to happen, then America does not need you.

Please leave NOW..!



Or,.. become the loyal opposition, as you so profess, and fight for what you think is right and good.

You might be surprised to discover that we're actually on the same side on our journey toward "the good", and actually have a very similar view of what "the good" is, regardless of the hyperbolic nonsense presented in the above "prediction".

We simply have different views of how to get there.

Those who cling to this view that America is evil due to it's system and ANY particular party (or personality) in power, is the definition of ANTI-AMERICAN, and should leave now, not because of impending persecution, but because you'll either feel MUCH better living somewhere else, or you'll get a wonderful, though heart-wrenching, education in the true greatness of America by contrast.


PLEASE stay, if you are real non-anti-Americans, and become the very VERY necessary "loyal opposition".


Amen! The problem with this nation seems to be its people not the government.....It's just easier to blame things on others instead of taking the responsibility for oneself!

Well, I doubt voter turn-out is 100%, but yea, Americans on the whole are rather ignorant.
And most of the people in other countries who post on these boards (and more specifically this thread) aren't? I find that hard to accept.

The world has got the president that Americans deserve. .....Hoopla!!!

Because many veterans like myself DO REMEMBER VIETNAM Kerry didn't win the election.

Semper FI!

:sniper:

Amen!

I'd have to dissagree. I'd say we're there mostly for oil, but oil or Islam the Middle East will still be under attack.
If that's true then why the hell do I have to pay over three times what I did for gas four years ago?

I STRONGLY suggest that all those with feelings like this leave the US now.

And renounce your citizenship.

If you feel that America is so weak in principle as to allow these dire "predictions" to happen, then America does not need you.

Please leave NOW..!



Or,.. become the loyal opposition, as you so profess, and fight for what you think is right and good.

You might be surprised to discover that we're actually on the same side on our journey toward "the good", and actually have a very similar view of what "the good" is, regardless of the hyperbolic nonsense presented in the above "prediction".

We simply have different views of how to get there.

Those who cling to this view that America is evil due to it's system and ANY particular party (or personality) in power, is the definition of ANTI-AMERICAN, and should leave now, not because of impending persecution, but because you'll either feel MUCH better living somewhere else, or you'll get a wonderful, though heart-wrenching, education in the true greatness of America by contrast.


PLEASE stay, if you are real non-anti-Americans, and become the very VERY necessary "loyal opposition".

Here! Here!

Well, I doubt voter turn-out is 100%, but yea, Americans on the whole are rather ignorant.

People in general are stupid. But you, YOU are not only stupid but weak as well. At least we americans can hold a pistol without trembling. Unlike you....
Just note We have the bomb. We had it first too....

People in general are stupid. But you, YOU are not only stupid but weak as well. At least we americans can hold a pistol without trembling. Unlike you....
Just note We have the bomb. We had it first too....
You wonder why Europe is nervous about America...

Or, rather, you lack the strength to resolve a matter without resorting to blowing things up, or shooting them, etc. Big guns and bombs do not strong or smart make.

No it won't. Abortion will remain legal because of this. No matter what they pass, some judge will over turn it in California, New York, or another predominently liberal state, and it will be allowed. I doubt the Supreme Court would look at it though. It's a VERY controversial issue, regardless of who is sitting on the Court. The USSC tends to avoid very controversial issues.

Because we all know how much power circuit courts have over the supreme court.

And the next time someone says to not worry about the PATRIOT act, I intend to direct them to the full text of it. Rather bothered me, but then, that's just me. I still believe in put up or shut up, unlike some of those I've seen on this thread today (left AND right).

Hell, I'll put it here NOW!

Full Text of the USA PATRIOT Act (epic.org) (http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html)

At this point, though, both sides should probably approve that amendment that removes the natural born bit from the citizenship qualification for president, because the Dems will probably send up Hillary in 08, and the Gubernator's our only hope.

Dear Moderate, Reasonable Republicans,

I know you like to vote for "your guy". I know you like it when "your team" does well. It's a good feeling, but it has no place in politics. Partisan manuevering benefits the politicians at our expense. They have you playing their game for them: you give the two-party system the power to repress all other voices, the power to be virtually indistinguishable.

Thanks to your blind willingness to follow party lines, you've managed to elect a fundamentalist religious nut job who is literally convinced that a magic man in the sky has more to do with his position within the White House than your vote.

In four years he took us from the most prosperous, peaceful time in the history of America to the worst economy since the Depression and an era of unprecedented fear and war.

But he is "your guy" so you voted for him. Way to go.

You needed to send a message to the leadership of your party. You needed to tell them that it doesn't represent you or your interests any more. You needed to draw a line, to reign in your own party, to make it sane again instead of the gross caricature it has become.

You failed.

Understand this. For the next four years, every bit of bad news that will come down the pipes; every death of an American soldier in Iraq; every terrorist act against our now openly aggressive nation; every slip in the economy; every backhanded deal that benefits the rich and hurts the rest of us; every afront to the rights and freedoms and of all men and women; and all the other atrocities and absurdity this administration has yet to enact, these are all on your heads.

A very fair and succinct thing to say, i think.



(This is not my own writing, I am quoting.)

If that's true then why the hell do I have to pay over three times what I did for gas four years ago?

Due to the recession, the American dollar is devalued on the foreign markets. Thusly, we have to pay more for oil because our money isn't worth what it used to be overseas.

I really dont understand why Americans cant just SUPPPORT the prez. You may not like him, ya may not of voted for him...but he IS the president. The president IS america like it or not. There have been a few presidents I have REALLY hated, but I supported them because I am an American. Besides I have the right to vote in another election in 4 more years and I can vote for someone different. I now understand why the rest of the world doesnt like us..... hell we hate ourselves!
I love America! Best nation on the face of the earth. But the people....Im losing faith in.

Or, rather, you lack the strength to resolve a matter without resorting to blowing things up, or shooting them, etc. Big guns and bombs do not strong or smart make.

Oh dear, Looks like you used bablefish on that translation. :p
Anyways if we blow it up we can rebuild it as our own which could be better if not we can try again aye?

Due to the recession, the American dollar is devalued on the foreign markets. Thusly, we have to pay more for oil because our money isn't worth what it used to be overseas.
So it's devalued by more than 1/3? That's sorta not possible...

Well, I doubt voter turn-out is 100%, but yea, Americans on the whole are rather ignorant.

I'm sure you don't know the majority of most Americans and certainly
can't speak with any authority on their intelligence.

Politely :upyours:

American's are still one of the most educated peoples in the world today.
Is there room for improvement, certainly. However, that is mostly a
cultural issue among the various demographic entities here in the States.

Most of the truly ignorant and uneducated among us here actually and
overwhelmingly vote socialist (Democrat). They do this since they are the ones more reliant on social services which they, the Democrats provide.

Amen! The problem with this nation seems to be its people not the government.....It's just easier to blame things on others instead of taking the responsibility for oneself!

The fascist revolution has begun, blame the people not the government.

American's are still one of the most educated peoples in the world today.



LOL!

I really want to know where you get this info, because Americans are infact some of the dumbest people on the planet, many studies have shown this. Cheers.

by sheer definition, half of all americans are below average intelligence.

Seriously. This is really kind of the worst-case scenario - the pushed voting by the Conservitive Religious element (Running out to vote anti-gay-marriage, and other conserivtives at the same time), the youth vote didn't materialize, and Kerry just up and left us.

It's a damn sad day to be progressive.

Because we all know how much power circuit courts have over the supreme court.

And the next time someone says to not worry about the PATRIOT act, I intend to direct them to the full text of it. Rather bothered me, but then, that's just me. I still believe in put up or shut up, unlike some of those I've seen on this thread today (left AND right).

Hell, I'll put it here NOW!

Full Text of the USA PATRIOT Act (epic.org) (http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html)

At this point, though, both sides should probably approve that amendment that removes the natural born bit from the citizenship qualification for president, because the Dems will probably send up Hillary in 08, and the Gubernator's our only hope.

Everyone with this PATRIOT ACT. The PATRIOT ACT applies tactics previously used against organized crime to suspected terrorists. It isn't the evil "Nazi-agenda" everyone thinks it is and frankly it could have been sumarized up shorter than it was. That thing is like a nightmare to read. I read it twice thus far. EEKKK!

You wonder why Europe is nervous about America...

Yes because europeans are nothing compared to the capabilities of this country. We have more weapons than any other nation. Europe AND Asia should tremble in our presence. It's possible to make it happen but everyone wants "respect" from foreign nations. Like that is worth anything when France is a country of biggots with all bark nop bite attitude. Germany has more troops stationed there from the US than any other country so it would be quicker to take europe than it would be Iraq. So think about that.

Oh dear, Looks like you used bablefish on that translation. :p
Anyways if we blow it up we can rebuild it as our own which could be better if not we can try again aye?


I should have guessed that the intentional irony in the second sentence would be overlooked. I often forget the perpetually myopic perspective of those on these boards.

And yes, I highly recommend that you pursue that course of action with Iraq. You blew it up, tried to rebuild it as your own, and now that's not working too well... maybe try again, hey?

The fascist revolution has begun, blame the people not the government.


Oh DUH! Thats right.... the people didnt vote for the government! Keep forgetting that! :rolleyes:

Yes because europeans are nothing compared to the capabilities of this country. We have more weapons than any other nation. Europe AND Asia should tremble in our presence. It's possible to make it happen but everyone wants "respect" from foreign nations. Like that is worth anything when France is a country of biggots with all bark nop bite attitude. Germany has more troops stationed there from the US than any other country so it would be quicker to take europe than it would be Iraq. So think about that.
In the words of the good reverend, "Laughing. My. Fucking. Ass. Off."

by sheer definition, half of all americans are below average intelligence.

Seriously. This is really kind of the worst-case scenario - the pushed voting by the Conservitive Religious element (Running out to vote anti-gay-marriage, and other conserivtives at the same time), the youth vote didn't materialize, and Kerry just up and left us.

It's a damn sad day to be progressive.
Claiming a certain people are uneducated in a post is usually more powerful when it isn't riddled with grammar and spelling errors...

what all of you who call us names and insult us
would say if we did the same thing to you
and your candidate for your views?
Santa-Nita.

Most of the truly ignorant and uneducated among us here actually and overwhelmingly vote socialist (Democrat). They do this since they are the ones more reliant on social services which they, the Democrats provide.

Most of the uneducated do vote for the democratic party, they are not ignorant, however. They actually have a vast knowledge of what is wrong with this country. It is the middle-class white guys who consider themselves really smart because they have a bachelors degree and have worked for 15 years doing roughly the same meaningless job who are ignorant to how everyone else thinks and lives. They rarely get out or meet anyone outside of their own bubble so are woefully unaware of what other people think, feel, or do.

Does it make any difference that most of the very educated, teachers, scientists, researchers vote democrat. Or do they not count either?

[QUOTE=The Einherjar Berserks]I'm sure you don't know the majority of most Americans and certainly
can't speak with any authority on their intelligence.

Politely :upyours:

American's are still one of the most educated peoples in the world today.
Is there room for improvement, certainly. [QUOTE]

Oh dear

With Kerry conceding the race,America is dead. The American experiment in democracy was killed in its sleep with the Republican trifecta. We now face a long decline into imperialistic theocracy of the likes which has never been seen before,but was most closely emulated in the 1930s.

Soon to be gone: Amendments I,III-X,the right for homosexuals to be treated as more than pond scum and any semblance of civil justice for those trampled upon by the Republican machine.

Appearing on the horizon: government in a woman's uterus,more corporate welfare,an end to all regulation,zero taxes for the wealthy,all non-management jobs outsourced,fundamentalist Christianity shoved down everyone's throat,and our own version of Auschwiz for liberals,gays and Muslims.

And I think you're looking at it all through rose-tinted glasses to boot. It'll be worse than you describe here.


Winston Churchill once said "We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old."

Now it appears that the Old World must set forth to the liberation and rescue of the New...

I think you're looking at the future through rose-tinted glasses. I can virtually guarantee things'll be worse than you've outlined. Except in our corner of North America, that is.

Consider the North, my fearful friends. It may be nippy at night, but it's warm and friendly inside.

[QUOTE=The Einherjar Berserks]I'm sure you don't know the majority of most Americans and certainly
can't speak with any authority on their intelligence.

Politely :upyours:

American's are still one of the most educated peoples in the world today.
Is there room for improvement, certainly.
Oh dear
Third time's a charm...try again.

Yes because europeans are nothing compared to the capabilities of this country. We have more weapons than any other nation. Europe AND Asia should tremble in our presence. It's possible to make it happen but everyone wants "respect" from foreign nations. Like that is worth anything when France is a country of biggots with all bark nop bite attitude. Germany has more troops stationed there from the US than any other country so it would be quicker to take europe than it would be Iraq. So think about that.

The fact that you think like that, and the fact that there are many others who think like that, is the entire reason you suffer terrorism, the reason anti-Americanism is present... etc.

Third time's a charm...try again.

Touche!

I have to agree with Einherjar here. Obviously, if you believe that the majority of Americans are ignorant, that we are, as a whole, a cattle-like race of people easily herded around, then you have either A) never been here, or B) are simply biased against anything conservative, and have been herded along yourself by this circle-jerk of a thread to this irrational, alarmist conclusion.

Furthermore, if you don't live in America, bugger off! Our politics are not for you to decide. The issue of sovereignty, which you so often claim we violate, is at stake here, and you are being hypocritical. Only time shall tell what the true result of this election is. You say that it will be an era of corporate welfare, the end of all of the bill of rights except the second, and it will mark the beginning of government control over women's uteruses. To turn that on its head, I say it will be an era of economic upturn as businesses are, for the first time in 12 years, not afraid to make long-term investment, I say that the bill of rights will fundamentally remain unchanged, and I say that an era of moral correctness will arive as we finally cease the mass homicide of the unborn.

Or, alternately, the economy goes as it always has and always will, more or less unaffected by policy, determined primarily by the fears and judgements of the individuals involved. The bill of rights will remain interpreted the same as it has been with only minor variation, since its interpretation reflects the majority opinion of the day, and abortion is so close an issue that it would take a miracle to see its practice, heinous though I may consider it, end. Bush's election changes nothing that foreigners need concern themselves with; the war in Iraq would have continued, as would the War on Terror, and our government's apparent lack of concern for the human rights effects of globalization. The only thing we may or may not have done is shoot ourselves in the foot economically, and only time will tell that.

"Yes because europeans are nothing compared to the capabilities of this country. We have more weapons than any other nation. Europe AND Asia should tremble in our presence. It's possible to make it happen but everyone wants "respect" from foreign nations. Like that is worth anything when France is a country of biggots with all bark nop bite attitude. Germany has more troops stationed there from the US than any other country so it would be quicker to take europe than it would be Iraq. So think about that."

Yeah well, why do you think every other nation in the world hates you. And why you will nevr become more popular. Until the entire strata of your society who still think like this die out, America will always be despised.

Not that i do personally. i actually quite like america, and i feel sympathy really.

"Yes because europeans are nothing compared to the capabilities of this country. We have more weapons than any other nation. Europe AND Asia should tremble in our presence. It's possible to make it happen but everyone wants "respect" from foreign nations. Like that is worth anything when France is a country of biggots with all bark nop bite attitude. Germany has more troops stationed there from the US than any other country so it would be quicker to take europe than it would be Iraq. So think about that."

Yeah well, why do you think every other nation in the world hates you. And why you will nevr become more popular. Until the entire strata of your society who still think like this die out, America will always be despised.

Not that i do personally. i actually quite like america, and i feel sympathy really.
Every other nation in the world hates us because we don't realize they hate us. And hopefully one day we might learn to hate all of you too.

LOL!

I really want to know where you get this info, because Americans are infact some of the dumbest people on the planet, many studies have shown this. Cheers.

Studies written by whom? Please provide this material along with a copy of your PhD.

Literacy rates? Reasoning abilities? Intelligence quotients?

Please provide, looking forward to you backing this up with research.

Till then....

:upyours:

Americans are still one of the most educated peoples in the world today.
Is there room for improvement? Certainly.

Allow me. Also, while the first sentence is grammatically correct, it is worded quite awkwardly.

I think that it is hilarious that the outcome of an election with the largest participation since, at least 1968, and perhaps 1960 is called un-democratic! Simply because the election didn't go your way does not mean that the result was un-democratic or that democracy is dead. Since, apparently, a minority of the people here in the United States opposed your view of Bush it would be quite un-democratic if he weren't re-elected!

Allow me. Also, while the first sentence is grammatically correct, it is worded quite awkwardly.

Thanks, for the grammar lesson, now prove my facts wrong...

Thanks, for the grammar lesson, now prove my facts wrong...
Whoa, whoa...let's not cloud the issues with facts now.

Someone said they dont find the Patriot act worrying. i dont even live in America and it scares me.


Thats cause your brainwashed with media + moore hype. The Patriot act removed nothing that wasnt already lost on the war on drugs and the war against the mob. They literally took out the words drug dealer and put in the word terrorist. While I didnt like losing these protections back then, the world has continued. And there is no reason to fear now that law enforcement has the same tools for dealing with terrorists that it had all along for dealing with drug dealers.

The hype over the Patriot act is just that, hype.

The fact that you think like that, and the fact that there are many others who think like that, is the entire reason you suffer terrorism, the reason anti-Americanism is present... etc.


What a stupid ass statement, granted his was too

Studies written by whom? Please provide this material along with a copy of your PhD.

Literacy rates? Reasoning abilities? Intelligence quotients?

Please provide, looking forward to you backing this up with research.

Till then....

:upyours:

You know, the middle finger face is exceptionally unnecessary. You wonder why liberals classify Bush supporters as ignorant? It's because of things like flipping off everyone that disagrees with you that gets you that label.

Thanks, for the grammar lesson, now prove my facts wrong...

I was just fixing it because two people attempted to correct your grammar and were incorrect in their own editing.

edit: Nevermind. They just pointed it out and did not correct it at all. I did.

Allow me. Also, while the first sentence is grammatically correct, it is worded quite awkwardly.

Thank you for the grammar lesson. Are my facts wrong?

People in general are stupid. But you, YOU are not only stupid but weak as well. At least we americans can hold a pistol without trembling. Unlike you....
Just note We have the bomb. We had it first too....

FYI, I'm American.

Studies written by whom? Please provide this material along with a copy of your PhD.

Literacy rates? Reasoning abilities? Intelligence quotients?

Please provide, looking forward to you backing this up with research.

Till then....

:upyours:


Oh please. Come back and talk to me when you learn how to use the big boy voice. Till then.....

[QUOTE=Morotican #84]
[quote=ApparentlyAnonymous]
Dear Moderate, Reasonable Republicans,

I know you like to vote for "your guy". I know you like it when "your team" does well. It's a good feeling, but it has no place in politics. Partisan manuevering benefits the politicians at our expense. They have you playing their game for them: you give the two-party system the power to repress all other voices, the power to be virtually indistinguishable.

Thanks to your blind willingness to follow party lines, you've managed to elect a fundamentalist religious nut job who is literally convinced that a magic man in the sky has more to do with his position within the White House than your vote.

In four years he took us from the most prosperous, peaceful time in the history of America to the worst economy since the Depression and an era of unprecedented fear and war.

But he is "your guy" so you voted for him. Way to go.

You needed to send a message to the leadership of your party. You needed to tell them that it doesn't represent you or your interests any more. You needed to draw a line, to reign in your own party, to make it sane again instead of the gross caricature it has become.

You failed.

Understand this. For the next four years, every bit of bad news that will come down the pipes; every death of an American soldier in Iraq; every terrorist act against our now openly aggressive nation; every slip in the economy; every backhanded deal that benefits the rich and hurts the rest of us; every afront to the rights and freedoms and of all men and women; and all the other atrocities and absurdity this administration has yet to enact, these are all on your heads.

A very fair and succinct thing to say, i think.



(This is not my own writing, I am quoting.)


More intolerance of democracy.

Excellent work.

Another example of a typical powermad angry leftist who CAN NOT abide representative democracy, as it requires sharing power and convincing the "opposition" by means other than "divine ('ethical') right" and the power of the horde.

(( The "horde" reference means, essentially, the power of the mob as directed by the "supreme intelligencia". ))

This makes me want to cry. Kerry's no savior, but Bush is absolutely intent on taking away from Americans the very freedoms he claims to be promoting elsewhere in the world. My parents had always told me that the GOP was the party people could count on to protect the Constitution. It really doesn't seem so ever since 9/11 turned into the ultimate excuse for any controversial action. Everything's either for our protection or for morality. I'd take honest freedom over those illusions anyday.

If that's true then why the hell do I have to pay over three times what I did for gas four years ago?


Seriously where is this war for oil I keep hearing about? I wouldnt mind blowing something up for some oil right about now.

You know, the middle finger face is exceptionally unnecessary. You wonder why liberals classify Bush supporters as ignorant? It's because of things like flipping off everyone that disagrees with you that gets you that label.

Alright, here's a hug :fluffle:

With Kerry conceding the race,America is dead. The American experiment in democracy was killed in its sleep with the Republican trifecta. We now face a long decline into imperialistic theocracy of the likes which has never been seen before,but was most closely emulated in the 1930s.

Soon to be gone: Amendments I,III-X,the right for homosexuals to be treated as more than pond scum and any semblance of civil justice for those trampled upon by the Republican machine.

Appearing on the horizon: government in a woman's uterus,more corporate welfare,an end to all regulation,zero taxes for the wealthy,all non-management jobs outsourced,fundamentalist Christianity shoved down everyone's throat,and our own version of Auschwiz for liberals,gays and Muslims.

Winston Churchill once said "We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old."

Now it appears that the Old World must set forth to the liberation and rescue of the New...


All that melodrama. This has more of it than General Hospital!

Please. Things aren't going to change very drastically. The people have spoken, and that's all there is to it. But the nation is still 50/50, more or less. Yes, the GOP is in power, but it's not like the governement is going to shift 100 points right of Rush Limbaugh!

* Abortion won't be outlawed -- I suspect that the current law is about as balanced as it'll get. The GOP has no reason to try to change it, then have the whole thing thrown out when they become the minority again.
* Homosexuals (last time I checked) are (nor will they be!) given their own private Kristalsnacht. So they can't marry -- sorry about that, that's what majority rule is all about.
* Amendments will not be shattered or recinded. If you can tell me how the Patriot Act has changed really your life, you win a cookie.
* I'd *like* more corporate welfare! Maybe then we can recind NAFTA and get some jobs back in the US!
* The wealthy and middle classes still pay the most in taxes. QED. The poor should NEVER get tax cuts -- they pay (by percentage) almost no tax!

As for the rest, that's just paranoid talk. The last thing the government wants is to be at war with its own citizens.

BTW- Unless you've been to a concentration camp, keep Aushwitz out of it. Because if you haven't been there, you have NO IDEA what the word means.
Even if you don't agree (or are even angry) at my points above, please trust me on this one.

Due to the recession, the American dollar is devalued on the foreign markets. Thusly, we have to pay more for oil because our money isn't worth what it used to be overseas.

The recession is over. A weak dollar is adding to the costs, but that is NOT the reason. The reason is vastly increased worldwide DEMAND for oil. India and China have increased their consumption by almost 50%. OPEC claims it is at capacity limits. More demand, same supply = higher prices.

You might want to add in some instability in Venezuela and an oil worker union strike In Nigeria.

Oh please. Come back and talk to me when you learn how to use the big boy voice. Till then.....

Nice reply, no facts, just taking your ball and going home to mommy.
Awww. have a nice day!

:)

The fact that you think like that, and the fact that there are many others who think like that, is the entire reason you suffer terrorism, the reason anti-Americanism is present... etc.

We suffer(ed) terrorism because of some idiotic religous fanatic with a plane ticket wanting to kill what he would call "infidels". It's not because of us. We were targeted because we are the most powerful nation. Nobody would give half a rats ass if France got hit.

Just ANOTHER example of how religon kills...... :mp5:

I should have guessed that the intentional irony in the second sentence would be overlooked. I often forget the perpetually myopic perspective of those on these boards.

And yes, I highly recommend that you pursue that course of action with Iraq. You blew it up, tried to rebuild it as your own, and now that's not working too well... maybe try again, hey?

Bush want to help them on their feet not flatten it like some countries should be. THAT is why it isn't working. Establishing a colony or new country under our total leadership would get europeans whining and all that other crap.

I have just recently been called a "dumb redneck" by a user on this forum. He did not speciffically call by such, but stated that all people who voted for Bush were and are such. Well, I say that the only reason we have not been attacked by terrorists since 9-11 is because of Bush. Your immorral and ultra-liberal nations in Europe fail to see that, by invading their harboring countries, we keep them out of our own. They also fear us now. (most of them) Whereas you European and Middle Eastern countries are being attacked on a weekly and sometimes daily basis! Why don't you stop crying about it and go for the kill. Americaa is not the only nation that can kill the terrorists... most European nations can as well. Except France. Oh, and to prove that I am not an uneducated redneck, I just turned 18 and I am a sophomore in college. I had a 1470 on my SAT and a 34 on my ACT. I graduated top of my class in high school... out of 1077. So, the next time you want to call names... you better think about who you are making fun of. Oh, and by the way, I am in the Army... ECP... a second Lt. at the age of 18. I am in charge of an infantry platoon for the United States Army. I know what it is like to live honorably and do my duty... I don't just cry about things as you liberal homos in Europe do, I fight for what I believe in.... and I have the brains to back it up. Thank you. Have a nice terrorist infested life.

Every other nation in the world hates us because we don't realize they hate us. And hopefully one day we might learn to hate all of you too.

Yay! heh...

I have just recently been called a "dumb redneck" by a user on this forum. ... I had a 1470 on my SAT and a 34 on my ACT. I graduated top of my class in high school... out of 1077.
Pfft. 1470? I mean, that's not even a 1600! Top of your class? Rednecks are the top of their class. Intelligent people are too good for their class! ;)

Get me a sniper rifle and a ticket to Washington DC and i'll end America's troubles.

Yes because europeans are nothing compared to the capabilities of this country. We have more weapons than any other nation. Europe AND Asia should tremble in our presence. It's possible to make it happen but everyone wants "respect" from foreign nations. Like that is worth anything when France is a country of biggots with all bark nop bite attitude. Germany has more troops stationed there from the US than any other country so it would be quicker to take europe than it would be Iraq. So think about that.

Most people don't actually rate countries in terms of military might as they used to. The US would take a lot longer to take Europe than Iraq, possibly because Europe is a hell of a lot bigger; the combined armies of European countries are larger than that of the US; And the armies of European countries are a hell of a lot better trained and equipped than Iraqis with AK-47s.

Furthermore, if you don't live in America, bugger off! Our politics are not for you to decide.

Apart from the fact that I'm dual nationality (i.e. American and British), and there's an organisation called 'Democrats Abroad' (I'm sure there's a Republican one as well) which allows Americans to vote overseas and thus take part in politics even if they don't live on the mainland, American politics starts becoming my concern (a person living in Britain), when American politics starts affecting my life and the world as a whole.

Whereas you European and Middle Eastern countries are being attacked on a weekly and sometimes daily basis!

You know why Middle Eastern Countries are being attacked on a daily basis? Because AMERICAN troops are there. European countries are certainly not being attacked by terrorists on a daily, weekly or even monthly basis.

Everyone reserves a right to complain, especially on the internet one of the few unresistricted mediums of expressing ones opinion in today's society, and I would say Bush winning is an absoloute travesty. I hate the man, and I hate his policies and I personally, think the world (since America plays such a large part in it), will suffer as a consequence.

Get me a sniper rifle and a ticket to Washington DC and i'll end America's troubles.
Yeah, because the secret service will take you down before you get anywhere near the President...

Apart from the fact that I'm dual nationality...

You might want to cancell your dual citizenship then because we do not need more idiots here. Much less dual-country idots.

You know why Middle Eastern Countries are being attacked on a daily basis? Because AMERICAN troops are there. European countries are certainly not being attacked by terrorists on a daily, weekly or even monthly basis.

I'm confused...are you saying there aren't any European troops in the Middle East? Sophistry.

I'm confused...are you saying there aren't any European troops in the Middle East? Sophistry.

I'm unsure of that but it is possible that ther is a complete lack of foreign troops. Maybe they cannot take the heat? :mp5:

Yeah, because the secret service will take you down before you get anywhere near the President...

Inauguration speech, my friend.

I don't hate Bush, really. He's just wrong for the job. Hell, only 4 years....only...4.....only......

All hail the blob conquerors!
I for one, would like to take this opportunity to welcome our new humongous overlords.
And I will start by labelling things in my city with big signs so our new masters will know what is where (I'll use pictures, not words...no child left behind).

Inauguration speech, my friend.

I don't hate Bush, really. He's just wrong for the job. Hell, only 4 years....only...4.....only......
Don't see how where it is really matters...at any time he is circled by a large number of agents.

With Kerry conceding the race,America is dead. The American experiment in democracy was killed in its sleep with the Republican trifecta. We now face a long decline into imperialistic theocracy of the likes which has never been seen before,but was most closely emulated in the 1930s.

Soon to be gone: Amendments I,III-X,the right for homosexuals to be treated as more than pond scum and any semblance of civil justice for those trampled upon by the Republican machine.

Appearing on the horizon: government in a woman's uterus,more corporate welfare,an end to all regulation,zero taxes for the wealthy,all non-management jobs outsourced,fundamentalist Christianity shoved down everyone's throat,and our own version of Auschwiz for liberals,gays and Muslims.

Winston Churchill once said "We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old."

Now it appears that the Old World must set forth to the liberation and rescue of the New...
I agree. With Bush in powr for four more years, we're dead. Goodbye amreican dream...

I agree that the American Experiement is over, but it's been over since 1933 if not 1861.

I agree. With Bush in powr for four more years, we're dead. Goodbye amreican dream...
You people need to get over yourselves...and also stop claiming intelligence with posts such as this.

Don't see how where it is really matters...at any time he is circled by a large number of agents.

He did say "sniper rifle". Usually means that he doesn't have to get closer than 150 meters.

Besides, he wouldn't hurt Bush. We hate him, but he was elected. For better or for worse.

He did say "sniper rifle". Usually means that he doesn't have to get closer than 150 meters.

Besides, he wouldn't hurt Bush. We hate him, but he was elected. For better or for worse.
I know what a sniper rifle is...I still stand by the statement. After all, if it was really that easy then with all this Bush hating I am sure it would have been done already.

Nobody would give half a rats ass if France got hit.

Ok. Let's get things straight. First off, I'm not French. I'm English. You know, the people who have had wars with the French on-and-off throughout most of the last 1000 years? The country where some of its population still refer to France as 'The Old Enemy'.

I have nothing against France whatsoever. Sure, they didn't join British, American and a whole host of other countries who had troops there, but who could blame them?

The guy that some Americans have voted in as President lied to you about WMD. So did my Prime Minister, about WMD. We get a chance to kick him out next year and he will be kicked out with some luck, and my vote. Kick him out before he lies to us about even more...like Iran, or North Korea. Take your pick Mr.Bush, if Blair decides to go along, then BRITAIN will have to bring in conscription (AGAIN) to fight a new Vietnam...much like Iraq is getting, apart from you consider you've 'won'. From the BBC: US extends troops' time in Iraq.

Wow, sounds like winning to me!

But back to France. I would certainly give half a rats ass if France got hit by Terrorists. A bomb went off outside an Embassy in Paris a few weeks back if I remember correctly. It wasn't as grand a scale as the 11th of September, but a terrorist attack is and always will be a terrorist attack.

If France was hit on a scale of 9/11 (which hopefully will not happen), most of the world would give half a rats ass, even if people like yourself, Kaphin, would not. We would share in the loss the French people suffered, because there would likely be British people killed. German. Belgian. Dutch. Austrian. Swiss. Spanish, the list is endless.

Americans would get killed too. Which is where people would start coming out with images of the American and French flags crossed, as a show of unity, while people like yourself would not give a rats ass and be shunned by society.

I put this to you. If you wouldn't give a rats ass about France being hit, then why should WE, as Europeans, give a rats ass if it happens again to America (once again, hopefully not), when we know that people like yourself live there.

The guy that some Americans have voted in as President lied to you about WMD.
Um...some? Over 3.5 million more people voted him in as President than that of his challenger, John Kerry.

It Is Indeed A Sad Day For America And Also The World.

Ok. Let's get things straight. First off, I'm not French. I'm English. You know, the people who have had wars with the French on-and-off throughout most of the last 1000 years? The country where some of its population still refer to France as 'The Old Enemy'.

I have nothing against France whatsoever. Sure, they didn't join British, American and a whole host of other countries who had troops there, but who could blame them?

The guy that some Americans have voted in as President lied to you about WMD. So did my Prime Minister, about WMD. We get a chance to kick him out next year and he will be kicked out with some luck, and my vote. Kick him out before he lies to us about even more...like Iran, or North Korea. Take your pick Mr.Bush, if Blair decides to go along, then BRITAIN will have to bring in conscription (AGAIN) to fight a new Vietnam...much like Iraq is getting, apart from you consider you've 'won'. From the BBC: US extends troops' time in Iraq.

Wow, sounds like winning to me!

But back to France. I would certainly give half a rats ass if France got hit by Terrorists. A bomb went off outside an Embassy in Paris a few weeks back if I remember correctly. It wasn't as grand a scale as the 11th of September, but a terrorist attack is and always will be a terrorist attack.

If France was hit on a scale of 9/11 (which hopefully will not happen), most of the world would give half a rats ass, even if people like yourself, Kaphin, would not. We would share in the loss the French people suffered, because there would likely be British people killed. German. Belgian. Dutch. Austrian. Swiss. Spanish, the list is endless.

Americans would get killed too. Which is where people would start coming out with images of the American and French flags crossed, as a show of unity, while people like yourself would not give a rats ass and be shunned by society.

I put this to you. If you wouldn't give a rats ass about France being hit, then why should WE, as Europeans, give a rats ass if it happens again to America (once again, hopefully not), when we know that people like yourself live there.

You shouldn't be arguing with your new overlord...Instead you should show some servitude and fetch him a nice, cool bucket of soda and a pile of piss-warm hamburgers.

It Is Indeed A Sad Day For America And Also The World.
And somebody needs to learn the rules of capitalization.

You might want to cancell your dual citizenship then because we do not need more idiots here.

I fail to see how what I have said has proved me to be an idiot or of a lower intelligence to yourself. I have just contested one of your points (which turned out to be false), and you respond by calling me an idiot?

You shouldn't be arguing with your new overlord...Instead you should show some servitude and fetch him a nice, cool bucket of soda and a pile of piss-warm hamburgers.

How about a nice bucket of piss and pissed on hamburgers?

How about a nice bucket of piss and pissed on hamburgers?
I don't think he likes British food.

How about a nice bucket of piss and pissed on hamburgers?

It's the same thing...

Bloody hell dudes there will be another election in four years- relax.

Barring the possibility that Bush halts elections and takes the position of Herr Chancellor.

Barring the possibility that Bush halts elections and takes the position of Herr Chancellor.
What's sad is some people think this is even remotely possible...

What's sad is some people think this is even remotely possible...
you tell me how possible it is with a republican controlled legislative, judicial, and executive branch

Barring the possibility that Bush halts elections and takes the position of Herr Chancellor.

The 4th reich? Amereich!

Gott Mit Uns!

you tell me how possible it is with a republican controlled legislative, judicial, and executive branch
Ok. I will. It isn't. There.

Goodbye America.... Hello Canada!

Goodbye America.... Hello Canada!
Excellent, more room for me.

[QUOTE=Pax Liberalis]With Kerry conceding the race,America is dead. QUOTE]

No it's liberalism that's dead. And America's better for it.

Bush, and the republicans that follow him, will be the catalyst that starts World War 3. So, America is dead, literally.

Bush, and the republicans that follow him, will be the catalyst that starts World War 3. So, America is dead, literally.
You in Canada yet?

Ameircan begins to slip into an abyss from which it will not crawl out of for many years.

[QUOTE=Pax Liberalis]With Kerry conceding the race,America is dead. QUOTE]

No it's liberalism that's dead. And America's better for it.

How can you even say that?

Im getting there....

It really is amazing how much stupidity this post has generated! :eek:


THE WORLD IS OVER BECAUSE KERRY DIDNT WIN!!! SMOKE EM IF YA GOT EM!! GOODBYE SWEET WORLD!!!! REPENT REPENT REPENT!!!


LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



This post is the equivalant of this :headbang: !!

Ameircan begins to slip into an abyss from which it will not crawl out of for many years.
Just like you're doing to the English language...

Bush, and the republicans that follow him, will be the catalyst that starts World War 3. So, America is dead, literally.

No, America is not literally dead. It is metaphorically dead. It is a concept; it has no life functions; so it can not cease to live.

Okay, does anyone know a nice english-speaking country that would be willing to take in an English/Literature teacher who generally works with adolescents? I'm still in the process of getting my master's degree so I'd like a study program or something as well... study abroad for four years, perhaps? I have two cats, a husband, and deep desire to get the hell out of dodge for the next four years of unaccountable administration and the removal of equal rights. Help?

*Gets his popcorn ready for the next posts!*
This is better than any movie!!! ;)

Come to Canada!

Okay, does anyone know a nice english-speaking country...
Racist.

see:

people have started having fun with the back anbd forth action of fightuing conservative versus democrats. the modern "liberals' aren't really liberal, they are repressed and uptight in a way that would make the original liberals, the Yippies, frown with consternation and go somewhere weed friendly. and teh Fiscal Conservatives of the pre eisenhower era were actually sensible -- they were those hwo uld have rather spent US funds on domestic agendas -- their represnetatives were scared out of teh house and senate after Eisenhower to make way for the war pigs who call themselves conservatives today -- theultra conservatives. the spineless cowards like daschell and kerry aere not liberals! they are right wingers saying what they need to get elected. notice how free this election was orf attack and negativity. that shoudltel you something.

the center, the center...the future of 3effective american politicking is in the center.

ask...the ancient greek guy..with the screw. thet fulcrum guy. he knows the value of a centrist approach in a seesawing time.

totally centered and always sees teh weaknesses of far extreme radicals of the left OR the right.

Bush, and the republicans that follow him, will be the catalyst that starts World War 3. So, America is dead, literally.

I agree. See my post where I mention Iran or North Korea. And Gentopia, I hope that when YOU get to the Canadian border when you finally realise how screwed you are, the guy on the border doesn't let you in, and leaves you in the nuclear wastegrounds of America.

I just hope that I can get into the Army to defend MY country against any enemy when America drags us into a war which will ultimately become the armageddon...

I agree. See my post where I mention Iran or North Korea. And Gentopia, I hope that when YOU get to the Canadian border when you finally realise how screwed you are, the guy on the border doesn't let you in, and leaves you in the nuclear wastegrounds of America.

I just hope that I can get into the Army to defend MY country against any enemy when America drags us into a war which will ultimately become the armageddon...
It is the American way!

I agree. See my post where I mention Iran or North Korea. And Gentopia, I hope that when YOU get to the Canadian border when you finally realise how screwed you are, the guy on the border doesn't let you in, and leaves you in the nuclear wastegrounds of America.

Been there once. Didn't care for it much. Don't have any plans to go back.

We can do nothing now but hope that Bush doesn't do something really stupid like end the world as we know it. Of course, we can hope that all the stupid stuff he will do will be enough to get him impeached and out of office sooner.

We can do nothing now but hope that Bush doesn't do something really stupid like end the world as we know it. Of course, we can hope that all the stupid stuff he will do will be enough to get him impeached and out of office sooner.
I like the fact that this is basically the same statements made when Bush was elected in 2000.

*Thinks that the events in the movie "Battlefield Earth" will happen before any of the BS in this post*

This popcorn is good!

He wont be impeached, the government is owned by the Rebublicans.

much angsty

Been there once. Didn't care for it much. Don't have any plans to go back.

I actually share the same view as you for a change. I'd be prepared to die in my country also...or FOR my country if need be.

Racist.

That's pretty dim of you. Perhaps he wants to go to an English-speaking country because he speaks English?

That's pretty dim of you. Perhaps he wants to go to an English-speaking country because he speaks English?
Someone fails to realize sarcasm...

Come to Canada!

So... how's the temperature up there? (I live in the southwest now) How do you folks keep warm? Can I bring my cats? I've had them quite awhile and simply cannot leave them.

That's pretty dim of you. Perhaps he wants to go to an English-speaking country because he speaks English?

Maybe it was sarcasm??

I'd rather die against America rather than die for it. I wonder if that would be considered treason...

Bloody hell dudes there will be another election in four years- relax.

I don't think you understand the damage that four years can do to a nation already in a downhill tumble...

We could be dead by then...

I don't think you understand the damage that four years can do to a nation already in a downhill tumble...


What downhill tumble? Explain!

Racist.

*sighs* Not really. Let me clarify. I speak English (and have all my life). I have VERY limited proficiency in French (the only other language I ever learned). I teach literature and writing to adolescents and my curriculum is very heavy on the in-depth analysis thing. I cannot write a curriculum in a language I am not proficient in and expect to understand deep analysis of texts.


Edit... just spotted the sarcasm thing. Anyway, just clarification here.

hey, just so I don't have to look it up, does anyone know who won the popular vote?

Lord Help Us

*sighs* Not really. Let me clarify. I speak English (and have all my life). I have VERY limited proficiency in French (the only other language I ever learned). I teach literature and writing to adolescents and my curriculum is very heavy on the in-depth analysis thing. I cannot write a curriculum in a language I am not proficient in and expect to understand deep analysis of texts.

Respectfully, pissoff.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm
^^Being so proficient in English, you should already know that word...

What downhill tumble? Explain!
Look at the way we HAVE to convert every damn nation that come across our path. We are eventually going to upset enough people to cause serious damage to our country.

Someone fails to realize sarcasm...

Hmm. This is a mighty tasty foot I've got here....

That's pretty dim of you. Perhaps he wants to go to an English-speaking country because he speaks English?

Respectfully... She, thanks. (Note reference to husband in original post)

hey, just so I don't have to look it up, does anyone know who won the popular vote?


Bush. And by a real good bit too.

Once again I feel quite content knowing I am in Canada.
And hell. I'd rather die fighting against American right now than any other country in the world. :rolleyes: Course I'd rahter not die cause I'm a selfish SOB, but meh.

Once again I feel quite content knowing I am in Canada.
And hell. I'd rather die fighting against American right now than any other country in the world. :rolleyes: Course I'd rahter not die cause I'm a selfish SOB, but meh.
Got room for one more SOB?

Look at the way we HAVE to convert every damn nation that come across our path. We are eventually going to upset enough people to cause serious damage to our country.


You watch too many movies! Or maybe too much coffee?

Respectfully... She, thanks. (Note reference to husband in original post)

Ah, didn't catch the original post, just the response. But I can't talk; I'm busy feasting on my foot.

I'd rather die against America rather than die for it. I wonder if that would be considered treason...

Probably, but honestly- Dying for what you beleive in is better than dying for a country that you don't. Of course, living and bringing about chage in the name of what you beleive in is probably best of all.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm
^^Being so proficient in English, you should already know that word...

Beg pardon but when I began composing my response, your reference to sarcasm was not yet posted. I didn't see it until AFTER I had posted my message. Please not the edit to my message. Thankyouverymuch for being a reactive prick. I'm sure if you thought someone had called you a racist, you would've been pretty snarky yourself.

I am, for the record, well acquainted with sarcasm as a term and as a function of humor.

In my opinion Bush's second term will come to represent the zenith of Republican power, just as Lyndon Johnson's second term was the most powerful the Democrats ever became. After four more years of Bush and Republican Congressional control, people will decide they want something different and start swinging towards a more liberal outlook, especially as the Baby Boomers die and my generation steps up.

It really is not that bad. Anything this Administration does, can be undone. And half of the stuff you list would cause outright revolution, anyway.

You watch too many movies! Or maybe too much coffee?
Coffee!!!>twitch<

Bush. And by a real good bit too.

Yeah, what, 3.5 million?

This administration won because they played dirty pool. Kerry concertrated on the facts, and issues, he answeared people question and talked to the American people. Meanwhile Bush just screamed, Terror, Danger, Bin Laden, Danger, Terror! A Kerry Presidency will bring on the next attack! And so on and so on. They used scare tactics and mud slinging thats all they did. And you people FELL FOR IT! God! I am a pilot and Thank to Bush he is destorying the industry. Maybe when Bush goes on TV in two years and declare Martial law, maybe THEN you will wake up and realize the terrible miskate yall have made! I voted, I voted for Kerry, so I have a right to complain! NOW, The Republican has control of Congress, Senate and now the White House! Good bye Check and balance, Remember Vietnam? The reason Vietnam went on so long because there was very little check and balance! The party that was in the White House at the time also controlled Congress. Now Bush has no oppoosition for ANYWHERE! He will now piss off the world, more blood will be spilled and Bush will delcare Martial Law and make himself Emporer!

you my liberal friend are crazy..that is all ..thanx

You might want to cancell your dual citizenship then because we do not need more idiots here. Much less dual-country idots.

Yes, you are plenty. Bigoted moron.

I am not going to say anything about election stealing, Im just simply going to say...we are screwed.

Beg pardon but when I began composing my response, your reference to sarcasm was not yet posted. I didn't see it until AFTER I had posted my message. Please not the edit to my message. Thankyouverymuch for being a reactive prick. I'm sure if you thought someone had called you a racist, you would've been pretty snarky yourself.

I am, for the record, well acquainted with sarcasm as a term and as a function of humor.
Actually I wouldn't really care one way or the other if someone said that about me.
And for someone claiming to be acquianted with it, you obviously fail to see it. Glad to see one of us is semi-reasonable and not resorting to petty name-calling over something obviously said in jest. Hopefully you do find a country to emigrate to.

Can I join you?

if you would like to help send this poor distraught liberal to austria i am willing to start a collection for this person and any other willing to throw away the best lifestyle in the world over some sour grapes...bye bye

Delicous. A majority of the popular vote, electoral vote, four gained in the senate, including the ousting of Daschle.

just so I don't have to look it up, does anyone know who won the popular vote?

Bush. And by a real good bit too.

Well great. Another peice of my already dwindling faith in humanity has been torn off, dangled in front of my face, and destroyed.

So what your saying is that is OVER HALF the entire nation.

:upyours:

Unfortunately, he's right. Most of the population of the US is under-educated rednecks. Need proof? NASCAR is the most popular sport, and most of the Bush votes came from rural counties, not urban centers.

You know whats funny though? All these thoughts everyone is having have been expressed after EVERY election, no matter who wins/loses! And so far the world hasn't ended!


*Thinks* Or maybe it has, long ago, and we have failed to realize it!!


OH NO!! THE MATRIX HAS YOU!!! :eek:

Bush has done alot of crazy shit. and as i speak now Canada suffers for it. some parts of are economy dropped because of bush cutting us off. In the mean time America s economy is also dropping without us.

And the assult rifles ban. I bet people wont be safer if that still was around. But no you can buy those weapons anywhere now. :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

He will be the downfall of us all. catching his nukes with his death and destroying all of north america as the dumb ass that he is.

Me and my friends wont think of him of such an asshole if he just fixed the fucking problems he started.

Fuck :mad:

Lord Help Us
heh already did ..thanx..have a good four years..ha

If you're going to whine about it you can leave the country or if you are SO crippled by your emotions you can die. Both of them are idiots and were going to screw the country over anyways DEAL WITH IT. Don't come on here and whine like some @$%^ baby. That just shows you are lazy and/or are too stupid to run for office yourself.

Excuse me, but it seems that you have little or no grasp on what it actually takes to run for political office in America.

The United States was founded on the belief that after a "trail of long abuses" it is "the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." (<-That is from the Declaration of Independence).

Thusly, people have the right to complain and begrudge their goverment for wrongdoing, and no one can tell them any different. There is a thing called a First Amendment, you know?

It is petty to call someone stupid or lazy when they are obviously not only intelligent, but also taking the time to carefully craft articulate writings. Lazy and stupid people would not do this; instead, they might opt for a message that strays into words written entirely in capital letters, as well as veiled use of offensive language and pointless asides and insults that in no way support their arguments. ...It is a very good thing that no one here has stooped so low, is it not?

Once again I feel quite content knowing I am in Canada.
And hell. I'd rather die fighting against American right now than any other country in the world. :rolleyes: Course I'd rahter not die cause I'm a selfish SOB, but meh.

Now HERE'S a question. Who would Blair side with? A Commenwealth nation...or his buddy President Bush?

Tough call. Britain would, most likely, say Canada. After all, THEY didn't rebel.

just so I don't have to look it up, does anyone know who won the popular vote?

Bush. And by a real good bit too.
Well great. Another peice of my already dwindling faith in humanity has been torn off, dangled in front of my face, and destroyed.

teeth instead of death

Once again I feel quite content knowing I am in Canada.
And hell. I'd rather die fighting against American right now than any other country in the world. :rolleyes: Course I'd rahter not die cause I'm a selfish SOB, but meh.


you are extremely stupid.. and so is your socialized paradise..thanx ..bye bye

Unfortunately, he's right. Most of the population of the US is under-educated rednecks. Need proof? NASCAR is the most popular sport, and most of the Bush votes came from rural counties, not urban centers.

So what I'm hearing is......"You are an uneducated redneck because you do not believe the same things I do!"

Bush has done alot of crazy shit. and as i speak now Canada suffers for it. some parts of are economy dropped because of bush cutting us off. In the mean time America s economy is also dropping without us.

And the assult rifles ban. I bet people wont be safer if that still was around. But no you can buy those weapons anywhere now. :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

He will be the downfall of us all. catching his nukes with his death and destroying all of north america as the dumb ass that he is.

Me and my friends wont think of him of such an asshole if he just fixed the fucking problems he started.

Fuck :mad:

please with the assault rifle ban...two years ago two young men used ak's to shoot up another car at the local capt. d's....now was that not during the time of the assault rifle ban...criminals will have guns regardless..open your eyes to this..we need less pointless laws.

Do you know the real sad about this? With all these propaganda, the americans wont even see that its time to change it. They will just sit in their houses and being ruled by a republican dictator.


When are you dirty, unwashed, hairy european bastards going to realise that ,"WE DO NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY."

Actually I wouldn't really care one way or the other if someone said that about me.
And for someone claiming to be acquianted with it, you obviously fail to see it. Glad to see one of us is semi-reasonable and not resorting to petty name-calling over something obviously said in jest. Hopefully you do find a country to emigrate to.

*rolls eyes* Look, you started with the namecalling, whether it was "sarcastic" or not. The fact is, it wasn't obvious that you were being sarcastic. It is very difficult to convey sarcasm in print without a point of reference. As such, I'd like to remind you that people immigrate TO and emigrate FROM a country. What I'm looking for is a place to immigrate to, I'd like to emigrate from the United States.

Can we just end this nonsense, please? I altered my original post when I read your comment about sarcasm, and you continued to badger me about it.

please with the assault rifle ban...two years ago two young men used ak's to shoot up another car at the local capt. d's....now was that not during the time of the assault rifle ban...criminals will have guns regardless..open your eyes to this..we need less pointless laws.
Pointless laws provide a false sense of security to those who don't actually understand what is going on. It's basically a safety mechanism against the uneducated.

So what I'm hearing is......"You are an uneducated redneck because you do not believe the same things I do!"

I didn't say redneck was either bad or good. I have friends who proudly call themselves rednecks. I don't consider myself a redneck, but judging by the people who enjoy that moniker, it means working class, protestant and most likely rural dwelling gun owners.

I don't have a problem with any of that.

When are you dirty, unwashed, hairy european bastards going to realise that ,"WE DO NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY."

We're not the only ones on the planet. I happen to give a "flying fuck" about the other people who are stuck on this spheroid, thankyouverymuch.

[QUOTE=Riven Dell What I'm looking for is a place to immigrate to, I'd like to emigrate from the United States.[/QUOTE]

Good riddance.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

*rolls eyes* Look, you started with the namecalling, whether it was "sarcastic" or not. The fact is, it wasn't obvious that you were being sarcastic. It is very difficult to convey sarcasm in print without a point of reference. As such, I'd like to remind you that people immigrate TO and emigrate FROM a country. What I'm looking for is a place to immigrate to, I'd like to emigrate from the United States.

Can we just end this nonsense, please? I altered my original post when I read your comment about sarcasm, and you continued to badger me about it.
Because you keep bringing it up and calling me names. How about we agree to agree with me and call this done.

I wonder how many of you actually particapate in the goings on of the government. Do you vote and let you congressman or senator what you think? Start petitions against laws you dislike or think are unfair? Go to townhall meetings and the like? Or do you all just sit there on your ass and bitch at whats going on without trying to do anything about it?

we need less pointless laws.

Such as laws prohibiting abortions, gay marriages and marijuana use.

What downhill tumble? Explain!

Yesterday, I was exit polling, and one of the questions was "Why Did You Vote?". His answer was simple. "See Country For Example".

I can only think of one other country that has been the target of such global hatred as America is now... That would be the country unfairly victimized by the Treaty of Versailles. America has lost any image of any sort of maturity, graciousness, and intelligence in the world. Indeed, many of the allies she still holds are won and kept through threats and coercion. In a world with nuclear weapons at every corner, can one country really expect to lord over the others, and not consider being stopped? All it would take was one bomb to begin the end of the world.

Not to mention unemployment is rising, the national debt is growing, and the people of America are on the verge of losing that which makes them truly free. Women stand to lose the right to choose what to do with their own bodies. Homosexuals stand to forever be denied the right to choose how to love another human being. It is disgusting for a goverment to claim the right to make these choices for a supposedly free people. It is digusting, and it is wrong.

Such as laws prohibiting abortions, gay marriages and marijuana use.

I'd second that!

Last night i stood in line to vote for who i belived that would run the country that i live in the best. So i voted for bush, and no, im not a red neck ignorant slime ball. *see front page* Yes, bush does wrong, and i hate the idea that we can invade any country at will with little to none proof. I would rather have a commander in chief that sticks to his guns then someone who flip flops around like a dying fish, and with all that bo-tox in his forehead, yes im sure he even smells like it. :P Yes, the country might crash and burn but thats cause its like a top heavy house, all it takes a step in the wrong direction and it will fall down. As for the outsourceing away from american soil, whos fault is it really? does the president tell companies like Verzion or Comcast or whoever that hey! people over in russia will work for cheaper money? no, belive it or not, theres someone called the ceo of the corpiration that makes the desion, and the only thing that influnces him is how much money he can line his pockets with. I did agree with *Some* points of the kerry plan but sadly im sure he would have woke up one morning and changed his mind, after telling everyone that he would ok it.
If you think that every goverment is never going to crash and fall down then you really need to hide under that rock you came out from and go back to sort of delsional state. Im off to work, in my under paid job.
:sniper:

After reading three posts in this thread I can safely conclude everyone, except me of course, is out of his mind. My boundless arrogance keeps me from saying more radical stuff, so I leave it at this.

1. Auschwitz in America? Biggest load of shit since I first heard about the so called 'holohoax'.
2. A nuclear Third world war? When pigs can fly.
3. Without Europe there wouldn't an America like we know it today. Quit bitching.
4. Bush is another four years in the White House, live with it.
5. Kerry was close but he didn't make it. Case closed.
6. Just about every reasonable argument has been taken to the extreme by super-left hardcore anarchist doom preaching hippies or the most radical fanatic christian right wing extreme Bush praisers. Be rational and respect each other's opinion. Oh wait, no one can here, what a silly dreamer I am.
7. This thread is sad and I hope it gets locked after this post.

I didn't say redneck was either bad or good. I have friends who proudly call themselves rednecks. I don't consider myself a redneck, but judging by the people who enjoy that moniker, it means working class, protestant and most likely rural dwelling gun owners.

I don't have a problem with any of that.

Ok I can understand that. But what about people who do DISLIKE being called that? To say one is a (insert term here) because one does not agree with your particular outlook goes against EVERYTHING America was founded on. People have the right to chose whom they wish! To be called names for exercising that right is just stupid. Imagine how bad off we would be if everyone were afraid to exercise their rights for fear of retribution!

Riven Dell: What I'm looking for is a place to immigrate to, I'd like to emigrate from the United States.

Good riddance.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Okay, you go ahead and wave goodbye to me. I happen to be the teacher of some of the best achieving kids in my district (the GPAs of my students continue to increase after my English class, for the record). I'm sick of watching my kids slip through the cracks because of Bush's administrative policies.

When are you dirty, unwashed, hairy european bastards going to realise that ,"WE DO NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY."

Dirty? Nope...unwashed? If having a shower a couple hours ago is unwashed, then you stink...hairy? Well I do have long-ish hair...and the normal hair that most humans have...

And feel free not to care what we say, the best thing us Europeans can do nowadays is to keep the hell out of America's policies and do what you guys did to us until something happened to you guys...

Isolationist policies. Feel free to drag yourselves into the deep whenever.

I would rather live in a peaceful monarchy than in a corrupted democracy.
I wonder how New Zealand is looking this time of year.

I think that America will be hurt by Bush. Obviously it wont end. There is the impeachment process after all.

Because you keep bringing it up and calling me names. How about we agree to agree with me and call this done.

Well, I still disagree with you regarding the obvious nature of your sarcasm (as I wasn't the only one taken by surprise), but I'm perfectly happy to end this.

Not to mention unemployment is rising,
Unemployment has been going down since its peak in June of '03 at 6.3%.

that's if we'll be alive to vote then. time to kiss all our basic freedoms goodbye... i was really planning on attending college this spring but since he's cutting financial aid i cant do anything. and i'm not gonna go fight his unjust war for freedom. this just proves how well scare tactics work in america.

This is nothing we haven't heard before. Get it through your thick skulls--America will be still be around, because the only people who try to kill us all aren't powerful enough and those who may have the power have been wussified.

After reading three posts in this thread I can safely conclude everyone, except me of course, is out of his mind. My boundless arrogance keeps me from saying more radical stuff, so I leave it at this.

1. Auschwitz in America? Biggest load of shit since I first heard about the so called 'holohoax'.
2. A nuclear Third world war? When pigs can fly.
3. Without Europe there wouldn't an America like we know it today. Quit bitching.
4. Bush is another four years in the White House, live with it.
5. Kerry was close but he didn't make it. Case closed.
6. Just about every reasonable argument has been taken to the extreme by super-left hardcore anarchist doom preaching hippies or the most radical fanatic christian right wing extreme Bush praisers. Be rational and respect each other's opinion. Oh wait, no one can here, what a silly dreamer I am.
7. This thread is sad and I hope it gets locked after this post.


Um as for #6.... Im a devout Christian.... I am NOT Radical nor fanatic. Why put that in there?

As for the rest.......... RIGHT ON!

Originally Posted by Sanguinis
When are you dirty, unwashed, hairy european bastards going to realise that ,"WE DO NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY."

You retard.

And, to controbute something, Why arent we getting Osama Bin Laden. Apparently Sadaam Hussein was the real mastermind or some crap.

Anyone else see the lack of sense in that?