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It would have made little or no difference had Bush lost. Kerry could not have changed the situation in Iraq. Kerry would not have changed the core mentality of many US citizens and made the society as a whole more "world friendly". Kerry would have pursued the War on Terror. Perhaps for US citizens, there may be differences in economic policy...but frankly, that is not my concern.

It may be true that Bush doesn't have to worry about being elected at the end of this term...but what difference does it make?

Kerry may have been worse for the world and managed to cover up his mis-deeds. We can't tell. At least with Bush, however, he has made his flaws patently obvious. At least we'll know what's going on.

Anyhow...theres the whole "skull and bones" thing at Yale (I think that's right?). These people are practically one and the same and any differences between the two are only perceived and do not hold up in practice. The position of president is purely egotistical and there are other forces at work behind the scenes here.

It makes no difference.

What, noone wants to even read this? :p

but at least Kerry speaks properly (or at least as proper as an American can speak)

Yes, but Kerry also might be smarter. That makes him potentially much more dangerous. (At least to my ideals...which not many people share :))

but at least Kerry speaks properly (or at least as proper as an American can speak)You never caught on to the fact that while Bush detractors were spending all their time analysing his words to see how he mauled the language, Bush was able to communicate with his supporters without his detractors even noticing his messages? An absolutely brillant piece of misdirection, stage magic if you will, that I thought everyone would have caught on to long ago, but alas I overestimated the cynicism of people in mass.

You never caught on to the fact that while Bush detractors were spending all their time analysing his words to see how he mauled the language, Bush was able to communicate with his supporters without his detractors even noticing his messages? An absolutely brillant piece of misdirection, stage magic if you will, that I thought everyone would have caught on to long ago, but alas I overestimated the cynicism of people in mass.

*Stares in shock*

By God man, you've struck it!

It is not so much that Kerry could manage our present situation or not, this was more of a signal of where the country was heading, not where it is at. I apologize to the rest of the world ahead of time, because in this election we have just proven that one of our leaders can start an unnecessary war and get away with it. This sets a precedence of creating unilateral power through force that we are now going to have a hard time reversing. Someone will have to reverse it for us, and I am sure there are a lot of people out there who are more than willing to do it. Thats why I am scared, not for the next 4 years but that I won't see my grandchildren graduate, or when they do, they do it with only white American born children, in a gymnasium surrounded by the national guard. I'm afraid that my son or daughter is going to face mandatory military service.

When you make a lot of enemies, you start a lot of fights, and a lot of people get hurt.

The American people made a lot of enemies yesterday, now we can just sit back and wait for everyone else to blow our stupid asses up.

You never caught on to the fact that while Bush detractors were spending all their time analysing his words to see how he mauled the language, Bush was able to communicate with his supporters without his detractors even noticing his messages? An absolutely brillant piece of misdirection, stage magic if you will, that I thought everyone would have caught on to long ago, but alas I overestimated the cynicism of people in mass.

C'mon like no one knew it was a show. Bush graduates Yale, scores over 1200 on his SATs, has a father who is a former President and CIA chair, and we're supposed to believe he can't say nuclear? It was his marketing plan to portray himself as a downhome Texan when he is an aristocratic New Englander that ired me. But if anyone is going to respond to a marketing scheme its the good old United States of Capitalistic Excess.

1200 is a poor SAT score, for someone who supposedly made it through an Ivy League MBA program.

Yes, but Kerry also might be smarter. That makes him potentially much more dangerous. (At least to my ideals...which not many people share :))

See the whole "I can't speak" act from Bush is just an act. He isn't stupid. He gives off the appearance of just a normal guy and not an elite politican.

1200 is a poor SAT score, for someone who supposedly made it through an Ivy League MBA program.

When the national average is around 1000 as of right now, don't know what it was back then, certainly lower, than 1200 is a good score, even for someone in Ivy League.

Well lets all say hello to Martial Law and Emporer Bush. I guess they won't catch Osama in the next 4 years either. Hell we might as well forget about catching Osama after this administration is done. By 2008 he'll be so far off the radar screen even his own family members won't know where he is. Thank you America. We effecitevely let Osama go free.

If you guys think that the increased police/military presence is martial law then I don't want to know what real martial law is going to be like. (Curfew's, national registry, absence of a right to a trial, etc.).

1200 is a poor SAT score, for someone who supposedly made it through an Ivy League MBA program.Not that bad, I mean it was in the 85th pecentile range, so he was in the top 1/6th of those taking the SATs. Also the SAT pool was a little more restrictive back in the '60s, a smaller percentage of the population went to college and only those going to college took the SATs.

this electrion was in no way,shape, or form about real or important issues

it was about who god spoke to more and who was going to do more to turn this nation into a theocracy. this is obviousl bush, so he won

The one thing you can say for Bush, is that if he has had a speech written for him, he can deliver it as well as anyone else in the world. Unfortunately, when spontaneity is required, (TV debate) he loses out :rolleyes:

this electrion was in no way,shape, or form about real or important issues

it was about who god spoke to more and who was going to do more to turn this nation into a theocracy. this is obviousl bush, so he won

That's a ridiculous statement. Who God spoke to more? That's an absurd statement, impossible to prove/disprove. It was basically about who the people thought would be a better President.

If you guys think that the increased police/military presence is martial law then I don't want to know what real martial law is going to be like. (Curfew's, national registry, absence of a right to a trial, etc.).

I think we're already on the path to national registry, what with all of the government programs that we have. Cenus, Immigration etc, and abscence of a right to a trial, The Patroit Act, Uba Gaba Prison, and Guatomo Bay Prison. Its already happening man. But they just don't come out and say it. Thats political suicide. They do slow enough so that we don't catch it. They do it under the guise of patriotisim. Welcome to Nazi America, now line up and get your number tattooed on you.

America is headed in the direction of a Third World country, but much more complex and polarized. At least the people in the Third World countries have a concept of the reality around them; whereas the United States has entered the stage of senility and backwardness. George W. Bush won't have it so easy. He didn't have it easy to begin with, but his saving grace was how he handled 9/11 and the capture of Saddam Hussein. At least, he was smart not to piss off any more people then he already has. He has been so busy kissing ass for the past four years and he'll continue doing so for the next four years.
America has become two nations headed on a collision course toward another Civil War, but on a mental and psycological scale.

this electrion was in no way,shape, or form about real or important issues

it was about who god spoke to more and who was going to do more to turn this nation into a theocracy. this is obviousl bush, so he won
It was also about who bothered to vote, dont you think :D ?

These people are practically one and the same and any differences between the two are only perceived and do not hold up in practice. The position of president is purely egotistical and there are other forces at work behind the scenes here.

It makes no difference.

Exactly, these people have no clue what it would be like to be poor, having to miss a meal or several, having to drink dirty water that could give you or your kids cholora. I mean, I cannot claim to understand these things, however I have lived and met people who do live like this every day of the week.

I think we're already on the path to national registry, what with all of the government programs that we have. Cenus, Immigration etc, and abscence of a right to a trial, The Patroit Act, Uba Gaba Prison, and Guatomo Bay Prison. Its already happening man. But they just don't come out and say it. Thats political suicide. They do slow enough so that we don't catch it. They do it under the guise of patriotisim. Welcome to Nazi America, now line up and get your number tattooed on you.

Cenus has been going on for how many hundred years?

Immigration, yes aliens (legal/illegal) should be documented for birth certificates and proof of citizenship.

Absence of a right to a trial, I have yet to hear of any case of an American citizen being deprived due process.

PATRIOT ACT just applied tactics used in organized crime to suspected terrorists, it isn't the evil "Nazi-Agenda" everyone makes it to be

Abu Gharib, what does that have to do with domestic US? That was a screw-up of some very overzealous peon soldiers.

GITMO, what about it? They do not fit the definition of the Geneva Convention as far as soldiers. And hell they are living better there than they were in the caves. Besides, are the other guys followed the Geneva Convention? No.

Nazi-America? Yes I'll believe that one... :rolleyes:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

This election doesnt matter much? ROFL. I bet you'd be saying the exact opposite had Kerry won. I find this election as a conformation that America does not want American liberalism, especially when the popular vote is for Bush by 3.5 million votes.

Let the panic on the Left begin!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

This election doesnt matter much? ROFL. I bet you'd be saying the exact opposite had Kerry won. I find this election as a conformation that America does not want American liberalism, especially when the popular vote is for Bush by 3.5 million votes.

Let the panic on the Left begin!

Did you actually read the first post? I dont think this guy is some annoyed Kerry supporter, he just said that Bush and Kerry are more similar than you realise, and it would make no difference to the rest of the world situation which one got in, as it is likely they would follow analagous paths.

That's a ridiculous statement. Who God spoke to more? That's an absurd statement, impossible to prove/disprove. It was basically about who the people thought would be a better President.
which was not based on the issues. it was based on moral choices "who god talked to more" and bush admits to be speaking to god alot, so he goted reelected.

It is true that the outcome of this on European politics is actually going to be negligible, despite the public interest there.

Did you actually read the first post? I dont think this guy is some annoyed Kerry supporter, he just said that Bush and Kerry are more similar than you realise, and it would make no difference to the rest of the world situation which one got in, as it is likely they would follow analagous paths.

OBS that this is only true in foriegn politics. Which sadly decided the outcome of the election. But on budget overspending and environmental issues this is not the fact. US and the world would be better off with Kerry.

It is true that the outcome of this on European politics is actually going to be negligible, despite the public interest there.

Kerry would have raised some tolls as actions of protectionism. The low interest in environmental issue of Bush regim will affect everybody. Also the economical policy of Bush is bound to drive american business down and this will affect the export market.
The exchange rate of the dollar will probably keep on falling which will also affect the export market and ameriacn investment in europe. and more. Of course it matters. Iraq is important but there was much more at stake. Sadly unprioritised by US and European citizens.

It would have made little or no difference had Bush lost. Kerry could not have changed the situation in Iraq. Kerry would not have changed the core mentality of many US citizens and made the society as a whole more "world friendly". Kerry would have pursued the War on Terror. Perhaps for US citizens, there may be differences in economic policy...but frankly, that is not my concern.

It may be true that Bush doesn't have to worry about being elected at the end of this term...but what difference does it make?

Kerry may have been worse for the world and managed to cover up his mis-deeds. We can't tell. At least with Bush, however, he has made his flaws patently obvious. At least we'll know what's going on.

Anyhow...theres the whole "skull and bones" thing at Yale (I think that's right?). These people are practically one and the same and any differences between the two are only perceived and do not hold up in practice. The position of president is purely egotistical and there are other forces at work behind the scenes here.

It makes no difference.

1. that's not true. Kerry has a very different plan with Iraq and the war on terror.
2. There is more to a presidential candidate than their foreign policy. You have no idea what you are talking about.

1. that's not true. Kerry has a very different plan with Iraq and the war on terror.
2. There is more to a presidential candidate than their foreign policy. You have no idea what you are talking about.

And what would that plan be then?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

This election doesnt matter much? ROFL. I bet you'd be saying the exact opposite had Kerry won. I find this election as a conformation that America does not want American liberalism, especially when the popular vote is for Bush by 3.5 million votes.

Let the panic on the Left begin!

*Sigh*

Theres always one isn't there? :rolleyes:

Did you actually read the first post? I dont think this guy is some annoyed Kerry supporter, he just said that Bush and Kerry are more similar than you realise, and it would make no difference to the rest of the world situation which one got in, as it is likely they would follow analagous paths.

That's exactly what i'm saying. Good on you.

1. that's not true. Kerry has a very different plan with Iraq and the war on terror.
2. There is more to a presidential candidate than their foreign policy. You have no idea what you are talking about.

1. Oh really? I sincerely doubt it. Different means maybe, same end.

2. Not to me there isn't. I'm not a US citizen so domestic economic/social policy in the US doesn't at all concern me. Of course, it would have been nice for me to see progress in this area...but really it's not the important thing here. However, I see many people outside the US on this forum upset that Kerry lost. My point is, that it wouldn't have been any different to any of us. We'd still see the US flexing its military muscles whenever it feels like it.

When I read this morning that GWBush had won the US Presidential Election, I knew that there would be people complaining about it.

The people spoke. It's unacceptable to say that GWBush won because "53% of Americans are idiots". It's unacceptable to say that JFKerry lost because "48% of Americans are idiots" (although I do acknowledge that the latter was said in sarcastic reply to the former, though there's no use continuing a slagging match).

It's completely and utterly unacceptable to hope that the US President gets murdered. Especially using capital letters. In fact, it's atrocious that there's two gun-related "smilies" on this forum (although I suspect that those are more for use in the other gaming-related forums)

How long do I reckon it will be before people claim that the Republican party cheated in some way? Frankly, I'm surprised that there aren't already a million conspiracy theories floating around. Before the day is through, will there be?

Look, take your hard cheese and eat it. One of the great things about America is that people can vote for whoever they want. The people spoke (and more spoke than ever before, fantastic!). Get over it.

When I read this morning that GWBush had won the US Presidential Election, I knew that there would be people complaining about it.

The people spoke. It's unacceptable to say that GWBush won because "53% of Americans are idiots". It's unacceptable to say that JFKerry lost because "48% of Americans are idiots" (although I do acknowledge that the latter was said in sarcastic reply to the former, though there's no use continuing a slagging match).

It's completely and utterly unacceptable to hope that the US President gets murdered. Especially using capital letters. In fact, it's atrocious that there's two gun-related "smilies" on this forum (although I suspect that those are more for use in the other gaming-related forums)

How long do I reckon it will be before people claim that the Republican party cheated in some way? Frankly, I'm surprised that there aren't already a million conspiracy theories floating around. Before the day is through, will there be?

Look, take your hard cheese and eat it. One of the great things about America is that people can vote for whoever they want. The people spoke (and more spoke than ever before, fantastic!). Get over it.

Yes, I agree. Some of the comments being made are absolutely terrible.

(BTW: I voted green in our elections :D)

Yes, I agree. Some of the comments being made are absolutely terrible.

(BTW: I voted green in our elections :D)

lol Well sorry I'm not the real Bob Brown then ;)