NationStates Jolt Archive

You people need to get with it. This election was far more than a decision between two men or ideas about a petty war in Iraq.

Our nation is at a crossroads. One road points toward conservativism and free market capitalism. It is paved with Christian VALUES (not necessarily Christian beliefs) and is driven by personal incentive. It creates an atmosphere that demands hardwork and breeds competition. It brings the best, and sometimes worst, out of people. But it is this environment that our nation was built upon. It is what has made us a great people and a great nation.

The other road points toward liberalism and inevitably socialism. It is a system that forces equity on the unequal. It stiffles personal incentive and overshadows extraordinary individuals. It tolerates mediocrity and follows an unprincipled rationale. Its efforts to strictly enforce equality and tolerance only breed more of both. It tears at the moral and social fabric that hold the traditional family and comunity together. These are NOT the priniples that our nation was founded upon, and they are NOT the principles that have made us the greatest nation on this Earth. If you want these things thing go ahead and follow this road, just follow the sound of Europe's last dying gasps.

I, as well as a majority of my fellow Americans have spoken. He have refused to take another step in the wrong direction. For a little while longer, we we hold onto the America that I love.

Even though your post was ridiculously biased, your point was right. This was a crossroads between liberalism and conservatism for America.

The founding principle of your country was small government, right? Personal and economic freedom, yes? Looks like whether Bush or Kerry won, that principle has lost. I don't consider Bush to be pro-free market because he likes protectionism, big government and corporate welfare. And he's obviously not on the side of personal freedom. See my signature.

Europe's dying gasp? WTF? The 25 nations that use the Euro fully intend on becoming a rival superpower. They have a vastly greater market and manufacturing sector. I think the jury is still out on that one, talk to you in 10 years. And I disagree of your statement, a majority did win, but we can clearly see this as a nation just about evenly divided in every state. That means every other person next to you doesn't agree, even more than that, as some simply don't care.

What bigoted tripe.

I'm glad that MY country went the right way down those countrys, dispite Bliars efforts to bring us round the other way.

Of course my post is biased. I posted it. When you make a post it is also biased, because you posted it. Bias and bigotry are two words that have lost their definition, now being only applied to extreme or unpopular viewpoints for some reason.

As for the Europe and the E.U., I hope all you guys have fun trying to pay off your welfare programs as the population gets progressively older on average and does not produce any revenue of its own. I'd love to talk to you in ten years, but why not make it 50. It will only get worse as the problems your nations are already dealing with escalate.

You also speak as though the E.U. was a truly united entity, which it is not. That's about as rediculous as claiming that the E.U. won the Summer Olympics because its combined medal count was greater than that of any single nation. Europe adopted the Euro because it makes sense having a common currency among so many nations in close proximity. However, it is a far different thing attempting to create a unified social, political, and economic structure among so many nations who are historical enemies.

Prediction: Within 50 years from now there will be a sharp reaction against social welfare in Europe and more then one nation currently with in E.U. will withdraw (probably several, if it is still intact at all).

As for the Europe and the E.U., I hope all you guys have fun trying to pay off your welfare programs as the population gets progressively older on average and does not produce any revenue of its own. I'd love to talk to you in ten years, but why not make it 50. It will only get worse as the problems your nations are already dealing with escalate.
As for the USA, I hope all you guys have fun trying to pay off your massive deficit as the population gets progressively older on average and does not produce any revenue of its own. I'd love to talk to you in ten years, but why not make it 50, when you're a fascist dictatorship? It will only get worse as the problems your nation is already not dealing with escalate.

You also speak as though the E.U. was a truly united entity, which it is not. That's about as rediculous as claiming that the E.U. won the Summer Olympics because its combined medal count was greater than that of any single nation. Europe adopted the Euro because it makes sense having a common currency among so many nations in close proximity. However, it is a far different thing attempting to create a unified social, political, and economic structure among so many nations who are historical enemies.

Prediction: Within 50 years from now there will be a sharp reaction against social welfare in Europe and more then one nation currently with in E.U. will withdraw (probably several, if it is still intact at all).
The EU an increasingly united economic bloc, but not a political one thank god. Our economic experiment has been remarkably successful and the combined GDP is just a close second to the USA. Laugh as you may, remember than the USA was not completely destroyed 60 years ago, and that the USA has the convenience of also being socially and politically unified.

It seems that you only say Europe is faring badly because you want it to be true.

[Socialism's] efforts to strictly enforce equality and tolerance only breed more of both.

Well, I can't disagree with you there.

I'm an American and I have to say that we have royally fucked ourselves by re-electing Bush for another term. This could quite possibly turn out to be the worst 8 years in the history of the country.

As for the USA, I hope all you guys have fun trying to pay off your massive deficit as the population gets progressively older on average and does not produce any revenue of its own. I'd love to talk to you in ten years, but why not make it 50, when you're a fascist dictatorship? It will only get worse as the problems your nation is already not dealing with escalate.

You also forgot the several trillion debt they have and the aid they give to Isreal, but I concour


The EU an increasingly united economic bloc, but not a political one thank god. Our economic experiment has been remarkably successful and the combined GDP is just a close second to the USA. Laugh as you may, remember than the USA was not completely destroyed 60 years ago, and that the USA has the convenience of also being socially and politically unified.

It seems that you only say Europe is faring badly because you want it to be true.

Again, very true. The EU is getting more powerfull all the time, and we are a serious contender with the other economic powerhouses.

You people need to get with it. This election was far more than a decision between two men or ideas about a petty war in Iraq.

Our nation is at a crossroads. One road points toward conservativism and free market capitalism. It is paved with Christian VALUES (not necessarily Christian beliefs) and is driven by personal incentive. It creates an atmosphere that demands hardwork and breeds competition. It brings the best, and sometimes worst, out of people. But it is this environment that our nation was built upon. It is what has made us a great people and a great nation.

The other road points toward liberalism and inevitably socialism. It is a system that forces equity on the unequal. It stiffles personal incentive and overshadows extraordinary individuals. It tolerates mediocrity and follows an unprincipled rationale. Its efforts to strictly enforce equality and tolerance only breed more of both. It tears at the moral and social fabric that hold the traditional family and comunity together. These are NOT the priniples that our nation was founded upon, and they are NOT the principles that have made us the greatest nation on this Earth. If you want these things thing go ahead and follow this road, just follow the sound of Europe's last dying gasps.

I, as well as a majority of my fellow Americans have spoken. He have refused to take another step in the wrong direction. For a little while longer, we we hold onto the America that I love.

How can you argue conservatism and free-market capitalism? Conservatism? Unwarranted invasion is conservative? Attempting to change the constitution is conservative? No-bid contracts to your buddies is 'free-market'? Business deals between the ruling families of America and Saudi Arabia (which family is argued, by Bush, as the enemy of the US) is 'free-market'?

Driven by personal incentive? One quarter of the population are now uninsured because they can no longer afford medical coverage, while the top fraction of the country gets tax-breaks?

Breeds competition? The acquiescence of the federal government to pharmaceutical giant's demands that cheaper (but identical) drugs be forbidden from import is 'breeding competition'?
Insurance brokers 'inventing' alternative bids to enable their associates to drive up prices is 'breeding competition'?

America was based on principles of freedom. What you have just elected is the exact opposite. When was the last time the constitution was amended JUST TO REMOVE rights from a group of people?

As I posted in one of the other threads: "The day that America picked "under god" as more important than "liberty and justice for all"".

"You people need to get with it. This election was far more than a decision between two men or ideas about a petty war in Iraq.

Our nation is at a crossroads. One road points toward conservativism and free market capitalism. It is paved with Christian VALUES (not necessarily Christian beliefs) and is driven by personal incentive. It creates an atmosphere that demands hardwork and breeds competition. It brings the best, and sometimes worst, out of people. But it is this environment that our nation was built upon. It is what has made us a great people and a great nation.

The other road points toward liberalism and inevitably socialism. It is a system that forces equity on the unequal. It stiffles personal incentive and overshadows extraordinary individuals. It tolerates mediocrity and follows an unprincipled rationale. Its efforts to strictly enforce equality and tolerance only breed more of both. It tears at the moral and social fabric that hold the traditional family and comunity together. These are NOT the priniples that our nation was founded upon, and they are NOT the principles that have made us the greatest nation on this Earth. If you want these things thing go ahead and follow this road, just follow the sound of Europe's last dying gasps.

I, as well as a majority of my fellow Americans have spoken. He have refused to take another step in the wrong direction. For a little while longer, we we hold onto the America that I love."

This election is about our foreign policy, as Bush supports none of those ideals except the Christian Values. Maybe in 2000, or any election before it, you could have made that argument but not this one.

I'm glad that MY country went the right way down those countrys, dispite Bliars efforts to bring us round the other way.

ick. Tories.

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The other road points toward liberalism and inevitably socialism. It is a system that forces equity on the unequal.

So you dont think that all humans are equal? Some are more equal than others?

Define "Greatest nation on Earth". Great according to what specific criteria. If you're abstract about it, it is just another meaningless soundbite.

I concur that this election was a crossroads- and now we all have to face the horrifying realization that the Christian right may actually be the most powerful force in America.

Define "Greatest nation on Earth". Great according to what specific criteria. If you're abstract about it, it is just another meaningless soundbite.
Thank you! Finally, I agree with a mod! ;)

Im Sorry Europe, and the rest of the free world. My countrymen have elected... swine. Granted, im from Massacheutts, one of the most liberal states in the union, but I feel hopeless right now. Not only is our President a peice of Right Wing trash, but our Entire government is controlled by ONE school of thought.... I'm sorry

PS are any of those European nations acepting of immagration? I may need to get out before this country turns into a Right Wing Christian Dictatorship.

You people need to get with it. This election was far more than a decision between two men or ideas about a petty war in Iraq.

Our nation is at a crossroads. One road points toward conservativism and free market capitalism. It is paved with Christian VALUES (not necessarily Christian beliefs) and is driven by personal incentive. It creates an atmosphere that demands hardwork and breeds competition. It brings the best, and sometimes worst, out of people. But it is this environment that our nation was built upon. It is what has made us a great people and a great nation.

The other road points toward liberalism and inevitably socialism. It is a system that forces equity on the unequal. It stiffles personal incentive and overshadows extraordinary individuals. It tolerates mediocrity and follows an unprincipled rationale. Its efforts to strictly enforce equality and tolerance only breed more of both. It tears at the moral and social fabric that hold the traditional family and comunity together. These are NOT the priniples that our nation was founded upon, and they are NOT the principles that have made us the greatest nation on this Earth. If you want these things thing go ahead and follow this road, just follow the sound of Europe's last dying gasps.

I, as well as a majority of my fellow Americans have spoken. He have refused to take another step in the wrong direction. For a little while longer, we we hold onto the America that I love.

Uhm... Kerry would have inevitably led towards socialism? Wow... You guys really ARE nuts.
I live in a country where Kerry would be seen as a nationalist-extremist, with a very liberal (translation for Americans: We're a bunch of nazi-fag-hippie-communist-despots out to get you), and we have the second highest standard of living in the world.
We have families, communities...etc. As for "moral and social fabric": The US crime rate is more than 100 times higher than ours.

I don't really care who got elected over there, since it doesn't affect me much (at least, not yet, unless you guys finally go all mongolian on the rest of us), but I find your statement stupid.

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What bigoted tripe.

Typical liberal retort. If you disagree with them, then it's because you're a racist, homophobe, chauvanist, anti-semite, etc., etc., etc. Thus, the First Amendment doesn't apply to you, because you are a hatespeech making bigot.