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Yes, the great closer is going to close once and for all!! Good riddence!!

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Yes, the great closer is going to close once and for all!! Good riddence!!

Bout damned time....

And now the Associated Press has just broke it too!!

CELEBRATION TIME COME ON!!!!

If this is true I might move to the moon. I'd be far more safe there. Iran and Syria should kiss their countries goodbye now.

If this is true I might move to the moon. I'd be far more safe there. Iran and Syria should kiss their countries goodbye now.

Its true my friend! Kerry is Conceding the race!

Bush gets Re-elect for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!

Yes, the great closer is going to close once and for all!! Good riddence!!

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As one of the comitters of "atrocities" who "raped and pilaged in the manner of Gengis Khan," this is a final vindication and a great relief. It feels as though a great burden has been lifted from my shoulders. Perhaps now I can finally come all the way home.

Yes, the great closer is going to close once and for all!! Good riddence!!

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Shut up. You're a terribly bad winner.

HEIL BUSH!!!

Just kidding.

DOWN WITH THE LIBERALS!!! DOWN WITH THE DEMOCRATS!!! WE SHALL PROVAIL!!! WE SAHLL BRING FREEEEEEDDOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!

</William Wallace>

Just something for people to remember...

Celebrating your party's victory is fine as long as you don't cross the line into derrogating supporters of the other party. Same with mourning your party's loss.

Unfree People
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W

Let the massive boycott of american products begin now.

This is very good news! I am glad that Bush is going to get 4 more years!

Take that Democrats!

Just in!

CNN confirms John F. Kerry is conceding to George W. Bush

Meh.

Just something for people to remember...

Celebrating your party's victory is fine as long as you don't cross the line into derrogating supporters of the other party. Same with mourning your party's loss.

Unfree People
Forum Moderator

So why did all my threads get locked. Can't I be happy and celebrate?

Yes!

I would like to say BOTH parties did a great job. What Kerry did took guts. He called Bush and in a civilzed manner gave up. We didn't have to do all that wrangling. This is how civilized elections take place.

Laca,

They were probably locked because of the number of them!

Now back to topic,

Every network is stating this now so here's to GWB on re-election and hats off to Senator Kerry on a well runned campaign.

Nice to see this time they did it fairly... it's the first fair thing i've seen in 4 years...

What? We don't get a holiday? :(

so its official? ohio turned in their electoral votes and bush won?? or is stuff still pending...

So why did all my threads get locked. Can't I be happy and celebrate?
At least you didn't get deleleted.

so its official? ohio turned in their electoral votes and bush won?? or is stuff still pending...

Bush is the winner! Kerry is Conceding acording to all the networks!

Bush is the winner! Kerry is Conceding acording to all the networks!

I'll bet Fox is really happy, and CNN are bawling their eyes out.

Bush is the winner! Kerry is Conceding acording to all the networks!
ok, since i dont know alot about elections.... does this mean that kerry just "surrendered"?? instead of demanding recounts? and all the states did in fact finish turning all their votes in?

ok, since i dont know alot about elections.... does this mean that kerry just "surrendered"?? instead of demanding recounts? and all the states did in fact finish turning all their votes in?

WHy should there be recounts? There are not enough votes in Ohio for Kerry to win!

And yes, Kerry is basically surrendering!

Great. First the Dems nominate a lackluster candidate, who runs a bad campaign for months before straightening up. Then, just when it looks as if he might have done well enough to win -- barely -- he reneges on a pledge to America and doesn't require Ohio to count every vote.

Poor form Mr. Kerry. Wait the ten days for the ballots in Ohio to be counted. Going down with bullets in the gun was not acceptable, not in this election, not ever.

WHy should there be recounts? There are not enough votes in Ohio for Kerry to win!

And yes, Kerry is basically surrendering!
but, Ohio has 20 votes. So yes, there are enough votes in Ohio for Kerry to win, or did I misunderstand you?

Neveda has been called for GWB giving him 274 and coupled with Kerry's concession:

IT is my HONOR to announce that George W. Bush has officially won re-election

but, Ohio has 20 votes. So yes, there are enough votes in Ohio for Kerry to win, or did I misunderstand you?

He means there's not enough provisional ballots outstanding to change the result in ohio.

WE SHALL PROVAIL!!! WE SAHLL BRING FREEEEEEDDOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!

</William Wallace>[/QUOTE]


oh come on :rolleyes: ! at least get the qoute right...chuh

Great. First the Dems nominate a lackluster candidate, who runs a bad campaign for months before straightening up. Then, just when it looks as if he might have done well enough to win -- barely -- he reneges on a pledge to America and doesn't require Ohio to count every vote.

Poor form Mr. Kerry. Wait the ten days for the ballots in Ohio to be counted. Going down with bullets in the gun was not acceptable, not in this election, not ever.

Lacluster candidate? Yeah right! I was EXTREMELY scared we were gonna loose, due to the fact that Kerry looked so popular. Plus, he was WWWWAAAAYYY better than anyone else.

He had no where NEAR enough votes to win. They were all provisional, and only abut 40% of those would be counted. Not to mention, not all of them would be for Kerry.

Now stop whining and take it like a civilized man(or woman). It's over, both sides were polite, and thus it was fair. Not to mention GWB was winning by 3.5million popular votes.

but, Ohio has 20 votes. So yes, there are enough votes in Ohio for Kerry to win, or did I misunderstand you?

Kerry decided not to hold out for the rest of the absentee, provisional, and simply uncounted votes to be tallied, which would probably take about 2 weeks total. I guess because he conceded those votes will not then be counted, although that makes no sense to me at all.

Are all of those votes counted regardless of whether one candidate concedes? If so, what if Kerry wins Ohio by them? Actually winning>conceding...

Although it is of course quite unlikely.

Ok, let's be civilized....

Let's have a round of appluase for John Kerry. He fought well, and he's right. The U.S. IS too divided. we must reach out to everyone, including democrats.

Heil Adoolf Bush, the old and new emperor/dictator of the United States of America!

Neveda has been called for GWB giving him 274 and coupled with Kerry's concession:

IT is my HONOR to announce that George W. Bush has officially won re-election

and it is my honor to once more say: Meh.

ok. so ohio did go in favor of bush... right? cuz no one really answered that. and im curious of the popular vote vs electoral votes. anyone know these numbers?

Heil Adoolf Bush, the old and new emperor/dictator of the United States of America!


:rolleyes: Please. That's like saying that 2 + 2 = George Washington.

since everyone is so happy about bush winning and this is the only time i will be reading this thread so the yelling a curseing need not be said.

bush it the biggest idiot on the face of the planet he goes on vacation for the first year, once 9/11 he flies around for a day to make sure he doesnt get wacked, and then invades a sovern nation for no other reson then the oil in its sands. and he lies about the hole thing and you yanks buy it. i hope the "little" war in irqa last 20+ years so you can really feel the pain of war.

and i have a question for you. who is dumber the idiot who runs a country or the idiot people who elect him.

p.s i hope that he doesnt try to come ofter canada next because we are the ones that supply your oil

:rolleyes: Please. That's like saying that 2 + 2 = George Washington.

OOOORRR

saying that 8-2981-29412 divided by George Clooney= Chocolate Ice cream

Lacluster candidate? Yeah right! I was EXTREMELY scared we were gonna loose, due to the fact that Kerry looked so popular. Plus, he was WWWWAAAAYYY better than anyone else.

He had no where NEAR enough votes to win. They were all provisional, and only abut 40% of those would be counted. Not to mention, not all of them would be for Kerry.

Now stop whining and take it like a civilized man(or woman). It's over, both sides were polite, and thus it was fair. Not to mention GWB was winning by 3.5million popular votes.

Both Kerry and Bush are lackluster, in my opinion. Neither of them has the myriad skills or even experience to head up the free world. Hell I say that about Bush despite his four years in office. Kerry I felt ran a quite poor campaign until the debates and only did so well as he did because of the titanic animosity towards Bush in many parts of the country.

I have never said that victory was likely. However, taking into account the nearly 200,000 overseas ballots, and the as-yet-uncounted provisional ballots from Columbus, Cincinatti, and Cleveland, there exist, on the table, enough votes for Kerry to barely win, if they go heavily his way (which, given how many of those provisional votes are minority, seems a fair assumption).

Whining? Bush won the popular vote, hands down, and almost certainly did indeed win Ohio. However Kerry literally saying "every vote will be counted" and then 6 hours later saying, "screw that, Bush won" should grate on every Democrat in the country. Surely we could all have afforded to wait the ten days to make double extra sure of who won. After all, folks used to wait months as ballots were brought in from the boonies and counted by hand.

As an aside, has anyone else considered the fact that Bush received more of the vote than his approval rating (according to some polls)? To me that is an indication that Kerry was not the best candidate to run because people said to themselves, "I don't like the job Bush has done, but I will vote for him anyway because I really think Kerry will be worse."

EDIT: Ouch! The Republican headhunting team unseated Daschle. I really hope both parties don't start implementing a strategy which involves trying to destroy the other party's leadership.

itll be an interesting 4 years no matter who won. i wonder if bush will be assassinated. there are strong opinions on either side. i say congrats to both for being brave enough to want to be in that position. yeesh

since everyone is so happy about bush winning and this is the only time i will be reading this thread so the yelling a curseing need not be said.

bush it the biggest idiot on the face of the planet he goes on vacation for the first year, once 9/11 he flies around for a day to make sure he doesnt get wacked, and then invades a sovern nation for no other reson then the oil in its sands. and he lies about the hole thing and you yanks buy it. i hope the "little" war in irqa last 20+ years so you can really feel the pain of war.

and i have a question for you. who is dumber the idiot who runs a country or the idiot people who elect him.

p.s i hope that he doesnt try to come ofter canada next because we are the ones that supply your oil

You musta seen Farenheit 9/11 and i have SEEN it, STUDIED IT, and i have decided that it is REALLY biased and it uses REAL facts(yes, they ARE real) and screws with them until they arent true(or are only .7% true)

ok. so ohio did go in favor of bush... right? cuz no one really answered that. and im curious of the popular vote vs electoral votes. anyone know these numbers?

274-242 unoffically for the electoral votes for Bush!

Popular Vote:

Bush up by 4 million roughly

Both Kerry and Bush are lackluster, in my opinion. Neither of them has the myriad skills or even experience to head up the free world. Hell I say that about Bush despite his four years in office. Kerry I felt ran a quite poor campaign until the debates and only did so well as he did because of the titanic animosity towards Bush in many parts of the country.

I have never said that victory was likely. However, taking into account the nearly 200,000 overseas ballots, and the as-yet-uncounted provisional ballots from Columbus, Cincinatti, and Cleveland, there exist, on the table, enough votes for Kerry to barely win, if they go heavily his way (which, given how many of those provisional votes are minority, seems a fair assumption).

Whining? Bush won the popular vote, hands down, and almost certainly did indeed win Ohio. However Kerry literally saying "every vote will be counted" and then 6 hours later saying, "screw that, Bush won" should grate on every Democrat in the country. Surely we could all have afforded to wait the ten days to make double extra sure of who won. After all, folks used to wait months as ballots were brought in from the boonies and counted by hand.

As an aside, has anyone else considered the fact that Bush received more of the vote than his approval rating (according to some polls)? To me that is an indication that Kerry was not the best candidate to run because people said to themselves, "I don't like the job Bush has done, but I will vote for him anyway because I really think Kerry will be worse."


Actually t'was Senator Edwards who said they'd all be counted ;)

But i see your point, and yes, John Kerry COULD have won IF Every single one of the provisional ballots(or at least 97% of them) that were kept were for him. Of course, thats as likely as Saudi Arabia being covered in a 20 foot blanket of snow within the next 5 seconds...

Satan: *Dancing* "Yes! Yes! We won! It is certain now that the Americans are stupid enough to fall for anything I want them to."

God: "Looks like you were right all along Satan. I guess I did a poor job in creating and guiding these humans. I give up... you can have them all.. I don't wan't them anymore." *Closes the gates of Heaven for eternity*

since everyone is so happy about bush winning and this is the only time i will be reading this thread so the yelling a curseing need not be said.

bush it the biggest idiot on the face of the planet he goes on vacation for the first year, once 9/11 he flies around for a day to make sure he doesnt get wacked, and then invades a sovern nation for no other reson then the oil in its sands. and he lies about the hole thing and you yanks buy it. i hope the "little" war in irqa last 20+ years so you can really feel the pain of war.

and i have a question for you. who is dumber the idiot who runs a country or the idiot people who elect him.

p.s i hope that he doesnt try to come ofter canada next because we are the ones that supply your oil

I must qoute my good friend, Samuel L. Jackson: English motherfucker, do you speak it?

Second of all, you've seen Fahrenheit 9/11 too many times. Wake up. That whole movie is full of bullshit. He protected this country well after 9/11, so what if he went on vacation once? The "little" war in Iraq is huge. Saddam Hussein was a threat, and needed to be taken out. How the hell are they sovereign? That's bullshit. He repeatedly had wifes/ daughters raped in front of husbadns/ fathers if they said anything that disagreed with him, and if they didn't vote for them. He murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people.

Get over, Bush won, now lets focus on uniting the country.

Satan: *Dancing* "Yes! Yes! We won! It is certain now that the Americans are stupid enough to fall for anything I want them to."

God: "Looks like you were right all along Satan. I guess I did a poor job in creating and guiding these humans. I give up... you can have them all.. I don't wan't them anymore." *Closes the gates of Heaven for eternity*
if you are suggesting that kerry is at all godly, you are by far mistaken


but heres what i wish would happen - kerry gets elected... then assassinated.. then Edwards can be president. i liked him a whole lot more than anyone else

I must qoute my good friend, Samuel L. Jackson: English motherfucker, do you speak it?

Second of all, you've seen Fahrenheit 9/11 too many times. Wake up. That whole movie is full of bullshit. He protected this country well after 9/11, so what if he went on vacation once? The "little" war in Iraq is huge. Saddam Hussein was a threat, and needed to be taken out. How the hell are they sovereign? That's bullshit. He repeatedly had wifes/ daughters raped in front of husbadns/ fathers if they said anything that disagreed with him, and if they didn't vote for them. He murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people.

Get over, Bush won, now lets focus on uniting the country.

Please do not feed the troll by responding to his irrelevant nonsense. This is about Bush winning, not whether the war in Iraq was justified, although if you want to talk about the latter, dear God, the General Posters can help you there.

EDIT: but heres what i wish would happen - kerry gets elected... then assassinated.. then Edwards can be president. i liked him a whole lot more than anyone else

Slate's William Slatern has suggested that Edwards be groomed for the position over the next four years so he can make as strong a run as possible. I've heard worse ideas. Edwards/Obama 2008!

if you are suggesting that kerry is at all godly, you are by far mistaken


but heres what i wish would happen - kerry gets elected... then assassinated.. then Edwards can be president. i liked him a whole lot more than anyone else

I liked Edwards, too. One of the few democrats I liked.

Whining? Bush won the popular vote, hands down, and almost certainly did indeed win Ohio. However Kerry literally saying "every vote will be counted" and then 6 hours later saying, "screw that, Bush won" should grate on every Democrat in the country. Surely we could all have afforded to wait the ten days to make double extra sure of who won. After all, folks used to wait months as ballots were brought in from the boonies and counted by hand.No way, I'm a Dem and I'm right glad that it's Nov 3 and we know who won the election. I'm sick to my stomach that it was Bush, but I'm thankful it's not dragging on for ages like in 2000. Kerry did the right thing... he wasn't a strong enough candidate to beat Bush, fine... it's a democracy and if the right-leaning bible-based conservatives are the majority, they are the majority and that's that. There's still ways the minority can fight for itself...

I think I'll goto Cuba. Then at least I'll know who the dictator is.

I don't get it.
Bush wins in Ohio by 136 221.
There are an estimated 250 000 not counted votes.
But Kerry concedes.
WTF? Does Kerry support Bush?
Did he receive money?
What is that?

EDIT:

Slate's William Slatern has suggested that Edwards be groomed for the position over the next four years so he can make as strong a run as possible. I've heard worse ideas. Edwards/Obama 2008!
are you saying that you think edwards/obama is a bad idea?? i like obama. and i like edwards. ithink that sounds like a good combination...

I don't get it.
Bush wins in Ohio by 136 221.
There are an estimated 250 000 not counted votes.
But Kerry concedes.
WTF? Does Kerry support Bush?
Did he receive money?
What is that?

In order for Kerry to win Ohio, he had to take like 90% of them. There is no way that will happen

More than anything else, this makes me think Kerry is a better candidate than Bush. I'm proud of him, that he had the dignity and grace to step aside.

More than anything else, this makes me think Kerry is a better candidate than Bush. I'm proud of him, that he had the dignity and grace to step aside.
yea i like that alot too. which just makes it harder to like bush being in office. but we'll see how it goes.

More than anything else, this makes me think Kerry is a better candidate than Bush. I'm proud of him, that he had the dignity and grace to step aside.

He's not a better cnadidate, obviously. But, he accepted defeat like a man, and handled it like a man. Hats off to Kerry.

In order for Kerry to win Ohio, he had to take like 90% of them. There is no way that will happen
I've taken my calculator and it's actually 77.2%.
Look at DC's results.
It isn't impossible at all.

Edwards/Obama 2008!
One and a half terms in the senate does not a ticket make!

I've taken my calculator and it's actually 77.2%.
Look at DC's results.
It isn't impossible at all.
not impossible just not likely

I've taken my calculator and it's actually 77.2%.
Look at DC's results.
It isn't impossible at all.

Still, DC =/= Ohio. DC is overwhelmingly democratic, Ohio is around equal.

One and a half terms in the senate does not a ticket make!
ooooh good point i didnt even think of that. senators have 6 year terms. damn too bad for obama

not impossible just not likely
Why don't they just fucking count?
Because Kerry fucking concedes? Why does he fucking concede? Is it his fucking job to try to get fucking elected?

More than anything else, this makes me think Kerry is a better candidate than Bush. I'm proud of him, that he had the dignity and grace to step aside.

I agree, not that it's relevant at this point, anyway.

Edwards was my first choice, too. I'd like to see him take a run at it in '08.

mommy i'm scared.

do any of you have a fallout shelter i can borrow for a few years?

Still, DC =/= Ohio. DC is overwhelmingly democratic, Ohio is around equal.
But it's not Ohio, it's 250 000 votes in Ohio, just a small part of Ohio really.
250 000 is not a big number. 77.2% of 250 000 means 193 000.

Why don't they just fucking count?
Because Kerry fucking concedes? Why does he fucking concede? Is it his fucking job to try to get fucking elected?

They won't wait for the count for 2 reasons:

1) It's highly, highly unlikely that of the absentees, 90% of them would be for Kerry...
2) Because Kerry accepted his defeat.

Why don't they just fucking count?
Because Kerry fucking concedes? Why does he fucking concede? Is it his fucking job to try to get fucking elected?
No... it's his job to represent the people of Mass. Or, alternatively, to get involved in the politcal infrastructure in this country in the aim of changing it. The majority didn't vote for him. He doesn't get elected. That's that, really...

If this is true I might move to the moon. I'd be far more safe there. Iran and Syria should kiss their countries goodbye now.


Don't forget North Korea. Four more wars...I smell a draft...

They won't wait for the count for 2 reasons:

1) It's highly, highly unlikely that of the absentees, 90% of them would be for Kerry...
2) Because Kerry accepted his defeat.
1) It's 77% and it doesn't seem that unlikely to me
2) Does Kerry receive money from Bush or is he republican?

But it's not Ohio, it's 250 000 votes in Ohio, just a small part of Ohio really.
250 000 is not a big number. 77.2% of 250 000 means 193 000.

But the likelyhood of 193,000 of those votes being for Kerry is slim to none. There's no way, Kerry's conceded, he accepted defeat, move on.

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No... it's his job to represent the people of Mass. Or, alternatively, to get involved in the politcal infrastructure in this country in the aim of changing it. The majority didn't vote for him. He doesn't get elected. That's that, really...
It's you opinion, but the world voted for Kerry.

But the likelyhood of 193,000 of those votes being for Kerry is slim to none. There's no way, Kerry's conceded, he accepted defeat, move on.
I think Kerry is not trustable. He killed his own democratic party for no reason.

It's you opinion, but the world voted for Kerry.

Ya....When Bush got 51% of the popular vote. He's rightfully the president of the U.S.

It's you opinion, but the world voted for Kerry.Heh, I voted for Kerry... my county went for Kerry (though my state is still "too close to call")... the difference being that I live in the US and am a registered voter who sent in an absentee ballot a couple weeks ago.

We don't vote in your elections, do we? (OK... maybe we do if you live in Iraq)

are you saying that you think edwards/obama is a bad idea?? i like obama. and i like edwards. ithink that sounds like a good combination...

Sounds good to me. Just long enough in politics for Obama to learn how it all works, not long enough to stagnate and become a depressing lifer politician. Admittedly someone else would probably be a better choice, but I can hope.

Ya....When Bush got 51% of the popular vote. He's rightfully the president of the U.S.
The US is an electoral college. The popular vote is not what decides the election.

ooooh good point i didnt even think of that. senators have 6 year terms. damn too bad for obama
Edwards served one term, and would not have held his seat had he contested it. Barack Obama is a star, I am glad he won. He is going to be a force in 2008, but he will still only be 4 years into his first six year federal term. I don't think he will run. After two term, I think if he keeps his nose clean (no reason to think he won't), this guy will be nearly unbeatable in 2012. Plus, maybe he can Keep Shrillary away from the presidency!

Heh, I voted for Kerry... my county went for Kerry (though my state is still "too close to call")... the difference being that I live in the US and am a registered voter who sent in an absentee ballot a couple weeks ago.

We don't vote in your elections, do we? (OK... maybe we do if you live in Iraq)
The US vote and veto at the UN. Enough said.
Your opinion about what constitutes democracy is not mine.
I think you're lied to.
You accepted Bush 4 years without popular vote and now you accept Bush with Kerry conceding.

Don't forget North Korea. Four more wars...I smell a draft...
You might want to go see an Ear, Nose and Throat doctor, cuz the only ones pushing for a draft are democrats.

W'04!!! This is a great victory for the United States indeed! 4 More Years!!! :) :D

Four more years of hilarity and bloodshed.You can't make shit like this up.We're loving it!!!!

The US is an electoral college. The popular vote is not what decides the election.

I know that....He won both the electoral college and the popular vote, therfore, he's rightfully going to get 4 more years.

I bet the 7,500 (could be more) civilians who died in the 'liberation' of Iraq are spinning in their graves.

Now Bush doesn't have to worry about his own re-election, he's going to do what he wants. In other words, if you're not with America, you're against them. Blair, of course, will go with America, no matter what the British people feel.

In short, we're fucked.

Plus, maybe he can Keep Shrillary away from the presidency!

The only people who still think Hillary Clinton will run, in my experience, are right-wing conspiracy-theorist Rush Limbaugh fans. She has denied having those aspirations so many times that the handful of people who insist it is true are wearing thin.

But yes, Obama is a star, and probably will continue to be so.

I know that....He won both the electoral college and the popular vote, therfore, he's rightfully going to get 4 more years.
We don't know if he won the electoral college because Kerry conceded victory. I think Kerry has been bought.

We need to stand behind our President and unite the country.

We need to stand behind our President and unite the country.
Facts????? Internet.... Chalk and Cheese.

We need to stand behind our President and unite the country.
Go patriots. Don't think, follow your president anywhere.

I know that....He won both the electoral college and the popular vote, therfore, he's rightfully going to get 4 more years.
Well he hasn't won the electoral college, not really. Ohio is in dispute and New Mexico and Iowa are too close to call. It's just that Bush won the popular vote that's been counted, so Kerry conceeded...

Well he hasn't won the electoral college, not really. Ohio is in dispute and New Mexico and Iowa are too close to call. It's just that Bush won the popular vote that's been counted, so Kerry conceeded...
You are too naive in my opinion. Kerry didn't conceded because of any noble ideal. He conceded because he was bought.

You are too naive in my opinion. Kerry didn't conceded because of any noble ideal. He conceded because he was bought.

Please shut up. There is not a conspiracy between Bush and Kerry to hand Bush the election. If there was, Kerry would have admitted to sleeping with Edwards or murdering babies or harpooning whales while he windsurfed three days ago.

The whole country is going right down the tube. The hell with dum*** dubya. Get ready for world war three.

You are too naive in my opinion. Kerry didn't conceded because of any noble ideal. He conceded because he was bought.

Oh, yes, of course. I forgot to factor in the fact that all republicans are greedy, neo-nazi assholes. My bad.

He conceeded because he knew there was nearly no way he could win Ohio. Accept it, Bush it still our president. And, yes, I will follow my president, because he's a good leader. I might not agree with him sometimes, but I'll stand bbehind him.

Well he hasn't won the electoral college, not really. Ohio is in dispute and New Mexico and Iowa are too close to call. It's just that Bush won the popular vote that's been counted, so Kerry conceeded...

Ohio was called by NBC, MSNBC, and Fox News! Neveda was called giving Bush the necessary Electoral Votes to claim the victory.

anyone who says that bush lied about the last 3 years he was in charge, or he use the people of the u.s. in and pissing contest to get some oil is peged as seeing michael moore's films too much.

but thats the thing, i never seen any of his films untill 4 days ago, and i have always felt that bush was all those things. i read newspapers, about 5 a day, i work at a gas station to pay my way though school. i study international policies and in my last year of school, my minors are in religion, economics, psychology and history. So you might think I know a bit about this subject. Bush used all of you to get his own ends.

Reasons to go to war, who in history used these tactics, and what they were thinking:
1)focuses the populous, Adolf Hitler “hey guys, those jew over there want you all dead”
2)a “Temporary” boon in the economy, Napoleon Bonaparte “What? We need more jobs? Makes guns we can use them on the English
3)makes the leader look better, Gaius Julius Caesar “those stupid black people were easy to crush since we use metal weapons and they have rock tipped spears, and they make good slaves”
4)unites a country, Joseph Stalin “well make them give of there rights and we will grab a bunch of countries around us and call it the U.S.S.R.

What happened to all theses people?
Adolf Hitler - bit off more then he could chew and shot himself
Napoleon Bonaparte - was captured and sent to an island to die
Gaius Julius Caesar - stabbed in the back by someone close to him and died and to top it all off no one came to helped him
Joseph Stalin - well the only one who made it alive longer then most but then his country ripped itself apart and now is no were near were it once was.

What happens when you roll this all in one, you know I don’t wan to think of it, just when you fall from a super power to rouge country that used to be great, think of everything you did wrong and remember that history if forgotten will come back to bit you in the ass and drag down even the “leader of the free world”

only a yank would give themself such an overblown and arrogant title as that.

Please shut up.That is what the US has said to the world yesterday.

It was never 250,000 provisional ballots, it was more around 100,000 second of all, a majority of those are not even counted, and thirdly Washington DC breaks for Democrats more than any place in the union, what in Gods name makes you think that Ohio will vote anything like DC?

And it looks like New Mexico and Iowa will go for Bush :p

It was never 250,000 provisional ballots, it was more around 100,000 second of all, a majority of those are not even counted, and thirdly Washington DC breaks for Democrats more than any place in the union, what in Gods name makes you think that Ohio will vote anything like DC?
It is not about Ohio voting like DC, but about the provisional ballots.
Let me explain that to you.
If there was 100 people in Ohio, 90 avotes were already counted, 46 for Bush and 44 for Kerry. If in the 10 remaining votes there was 7 votes for Kerry, Kerry would win, but it doesn't mean Ohio is like DC, it just means that the 10 remaining votes were for Kerry.
From what I heard, the voting polls in Ohio are monitored by republicans and were a comptete mess BTW. Some voting stations had 9 hours waiting lines to vote.

And it looks like New Mexico and Iowa will go for Bush :p
It doesn't matter. Only Ohio matters.

I wonder if bush likes gardening...

Oh well I'm wasting my time. I'm just a european pinko. The US doesn't listen to europeans anyway, they'll unite behind this liar because he is successful. In the US being successful means you are truthful. They don't ask questions, they just buy it.

As I understand it, they decided to make quick work of the provisional votes, rather than dragging the whole thing through weeks of litigation and counting, which would have only further divided the country. They took 20,000 randomly chosen provisional votes, tallied them, then revealed the results to a select group of people (Kerry, Edwards, Bush, Cheney, etc). The final results were that 2/3 of the votes would've gone to Bush anyway, meaning that Kerry didn't have a chance of winning enough provisional votes to put him over the top.

So, Kerry was gracious in defeat and ended the whole mess before it started. I give him credit for that and hope that it gives this country a chance to go back to being Americans, rather than fussing over an election that's been and gone. This is time for us to heal the rifts of the last 2 years and get back to being normal people. Now is not the time in our nation's history to start turning on each other, but instead to work past our differences and find a common ground to work from.

And, my advice to all the folks who're predicting Armageddon for the US and talking about leaving, my question is this: Why run away and let the "inevitable" happen, rather than staying and fighting to prevent it? Do you think that, by going to another country, you'll be spared from the "fall of the American Empire"? Trust me, if the US falls, the world will follow right behind it.

And, if that doesn't convince you to stay and work towards creating a better future, all I can say is: I hear France is nice this time of year.

Great. First the Dems nominate a lackluster candidate, who runs a bad campaign for months before straightening up. Then, just when it looks as if he might have done well enough to win -- barely -- he reneges on a pledge to America and doesn't require Ohio to count every vote.

Poor form Mr. Kerry. Wait the ten days for the ballots in Ohio to be counted. Going down with bullets in the gun was not acceptable, not in this election, not ever.

the uncounted votes were not enough for kerry to win ohio

Well, look on the bright side... kerry will have more time to comb his hair now.

And maybe somone will teach bush to read a book the right way up...

and as for Nader-why bother.

You had 2 choices for president. One a toupee, the other a monkey. Crap choice.

Blair for President

Is it really required of one to concede once they've been defeated?

the uncounted votes were not enough for kerry to win ohio

Exactly, Kerry could have got 100% of the provisional ballots and he still would have lost.

Just something for people to remember...

Celebrating your party's victory is fine as long as you don't cross the line into derrogating supporters of the other party. Same with mourning your party's loss.

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Kinda like when they egged Bush's limo when he got elected in 2000?

If this is true I might move to the moon. I'd be far more safe there. Iran and Syria should kiss their countries goodbye now.
France and Spain best keep an eye out too.. I think a bit of regime change to put Aznar back in charge might be in order.. ;)

Conceding the election is basically a gentleman's way of accepting the voter's choice of your opponent rather than you.

Might I remind some of those that tend to shy away from Republican philosophy that in 1948 Strom Thurmond was a Democrat that left his party. Why? Well, it had a lot to do with civil rights. He did in fact change his views, but not his party. Go figure.

Also remember, the electoral college helps the smaller populated US states in having a place in the election process. Candidates have to make time for pretty much every state because of it. If it were strictly a popular vote for US president, there's a good chance there'd be a greater interest in the charismatic dictator. Bush can't be a dictator, he'd have to change the constitution through 2/3 vote in both the 50 states, not to mention possibly in the Congress.

Another thing with having no electoral college, there'd only be 10 states the candidates would go to consistently and those states have the most US population. Electoral college helps the minority populated US states.

Once again, we haven't heard any complaining about the fact that Edward's home state of North Carolina didn't vote for Kerry. In 2000, Gore's Tennessee didn't vote for him either. And you folk feel Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004 were the problems? They wouldn't have been as much problem if NC and Tennesee had WANTED to follow their own.

Oh the joys of representative democracy. Hehe.

Well, look on the bright side... kerry will have more time to comb his hair now.

And maybe somone will teach bush to read a book the right way up...

and as for Nader-why bother.

You had 2 choices for president. One a toupee, the other a monkey. Crap choice.

Here is an intelligent analysis of the election. If only we could have ignored the facts and just concentrated on the superficial, the rest of the world would respect us.

If this is true I might move to the moon. I'd be far more safe there. Iran and Syria should kiss their countries goodbye now.
Sounds good to me.