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...For failing to take the presidency from Bush.

That is all.

(OK, I know this is a crappy thread.)

Nah its not the worst thread ever dude- thought it was quite funny imho

...For failing to take the presidency from Bush.

That is all.

(OK, I know this is a crappy thread.)


I am sorry that your version of democracy is one in which a candidate is a traitor for not winning despite the will of the people. The last election was a debacle because the voice of the people was not heard. This is the most legitimate election in 16 years (the first in which a candidate got more than 50% of the popular vote since 1988). Kerry is not a traitor, simply the loser.

Yep, Kerry is the loser. After all, the Evoting machines said so...

Let's play "Match that Exit Poll!" :confused: No match, why?

Never mind Kerry selling out all the troops in Vietnam to the Viet Cong in Paris...

Or forcing the nation to go though another stupid recount brouhaha instead of bowing out graciously...

I think that Kerry should be charged with incompetence for failing to win, not treason.

Maybe Kerry could have won if he gave the voters reasons to vote FOR HIM instead of reasons to VOTE AGAINST the incumbent. Or if he actually let the voters see who Kerry is instead of trying to appease everybody by changing his position on every issue for every speech/event he attended...

Oh well, 4 more years of a moderate republican. Maybe in aught 8 we can get a good conservative on the ticket.

Never mind Kerry selling out all the troops in Vietnam to the Viet Cong in Paris...

Or forcing the nation to go though another stupid recount brouhaha instead of bowing out graciously...

I think that Kerry should be charged with incompetence for failing to win, not treason.

Maybe Kerry could have won if he gave the voters reasons to vote FOR HIM instead of reasons to VOTE AGAINST the incumbent. Or if he actually let the voters see who Kerry is instead of trying to appease everybody by changing his position on every issue for every speech/event he attended...

Oh well, 4 more years of a moderate republican. Maybe in aught 8 we can get a good conservative on the ticket.

Hey....afterall, he had a plan. ;)

And Kerry is Conceding!!!

I guess he's a double traitor?

Yeah, Kerry is a traitor for failing to convince Americans why they should vote against Bush. (Yeah, he was a mediocre/crap candidate.)

Maybe Kerry could have won if he gave the voters reasons to vote FOR HIM instead of reasons to VOTE AGAINST the incumbent. Or if he actually let the voters see who Kerry is instead of trying to appease everybody by changing his position on every issue for every speech/event he attended...

Oh well, 4 more years of a moderate republican. Maybe in aught 8 we can get a good conservative on the ticket.
Actually the Bush campaign used a lot more negative ads than the Kerry campaign. There was a shameful amount of negative politics on both sides, but it's wrong to say Kerry was more at fault.

Oh God, you call Bush moderate? He's the most right-wing US president ever! Who exactly are you thinking of as a "real conservative"?

Traitor?

http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/watch-video-action.asp?view=1

or to change viewer:

http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/watch-video.asp

THe American system of paid political ads is shameful.It encourages slurs and insults. The BBC Party Political Broadcasts however...That's a good idea. Hurrah for us Brits! No slurring allowed on the BBC. Go Kerry.

THe American system of paid political ads is shameful.It encourages slurs and insults. The BBC Party Political Broadcasts however...That's a good idea. Hurrah for us Brits! No slurring allowed on the BBC. Go Kerry.

News Flash:

Kerry Concedes!

THe American system of paid political ads is shameful.It encourages slurs and insults. The BBC Party Political Broadcasts however...That's a good idea. Hurrah for us Brits! No slurring allowed on the BBC. Go Kerry.
I dunno man wouldnt it be nice to have some labour//tory politician on an advert telling us to "vote for me cos the other guys a lying shifty ****" the handful of american political ads I have seen were a lot more entertaining than the party political broadcasts we get in the UK

I saw a few bush adds that were positive, and not accusatory. I didn't hear a one from kerry's people that weren't attacking bush... so it would seem to me that kerry's adds where the more negative.

and about that stolen honor thing, I'm glad I'm not the only one who heard this stuff. I got told to stop "spouting bull ****" on some other tread for calling Kerry a traitor. which he is, he met with representatives of the Vietcong in paris who councled him on how to turn public opinion against the war back at home, because they were losing. I even hear that they have a statue dedicated to kerry in some vietnamise musem, but I haven't heard any solid facts to back that...

I just relieved that he didn't win, I would have been ill if he had managed to pull it off.

THe American system of paid political ads is shameful.It encourages slurs and insults. The BBC Party Political Broadcasts however...That's a good idea. Hurrah for us Brits! No slurring allowed on the BBC. Go Kerry.

yeah but here in the USA we have this thing called free speech, and freedom of the press. which means we have the right to hurl mud back and forth at each other all day long if we please. shame on that pesky first amendment... :rolleyes:

Go freedom :)

I blame it on the dems. They were weak and did not give clearly differing points of view. They should have taken more extreme and opposed standpoints instead of trying to steal votes from Bush with republican-lite plans.

What strikes me most is that there must be a whole lot of Americans who deliberately voted Bush to piss off the world. Now that is provocation, and from now on they deserve anything they get.

On the bright side:

it might make Europe grow closer together.
I can only hope 4 more years of this shit will finally make people really tired of him. They won't be able to ignore certain problems much longer.

Kerry might have asked the E.U., or the UN to join the Iraq war.

So in the long run, it could be a good thing. We'll just have to sit it out.

I am glad Bush won because he hates terrorists! :sniper: :mp5: :gundge:
Terrorsts are evil!

Kerry is rubbish because he pro abortion. :mad:

Kerry is rubbish because he pro abortion. :mad:That's a rubbish statement. Kerry is against abortion, but for allowing women to make their own choices in the matter. Conservatives are for taking away women's rights.

It hardly matters now.

yeah but here in the USA we have this thing called free speech, and freedom of the press. which means we have the right to hurl mud back and forth at each other all day long if we please. shame on that pesky first amendment... :rolleyes:

Go freedom :)
That's not an excuse to use slurs and insults :p

(OK, I know this is a crappy thread.)
agreed.

I must apologize. The news this morning made it appear that Kerry was going to start a big lawyer-athon in various places. It is nice (and in the best interest for the country) that he is conceding. Maybe now some of this partisan junk can go by the wayside, since Bush has won an election without poor sports crying foul.

To address somebody's complaint concerning my calling Bush a moderate: Once you get beyond Bush's tax cuts and foreign policy issues, Bush does not act like a conservative; rather, he spends money like it is going out of style in unconstitutional and unnecessary ways. A few examples of him acting out of character of a good conservative:
No Child Left Behind- largest increase of federal interference in education (where the Constitution says that the feds don't belong) in the history of our country.
Bush basically legalized illegal immigration with his new immigration policy.
He also created the one of the largest increases of federal interference in our health care system with his Medicare Prescription Health Plan.

Alan Keyes is an example of a good conservative.

And as far as negative campaigning goes, I know both sides were guilty of this, but Bush clearly presented some positives for voting for him as well as reasons to not vote for Kerry. Kerry never really presented reasons to vote for him other than "I am not Bush". You cannot run a campaign based solely on the fact that the other guy is bad.

God, I wish Alan Keyes would be the GOP Presidential candidate for 2008 again, talk about handing the Presidency to the Democrats on a silver platter.

God, I wish Alan Keyes would be the GOP Presidential candidate for 2008 again, talk about handing the Presidency to the Democrats on a silver platter.

He never make it out of the primaries

i agree with West - Europa..

the democrats are too weak, they have a 50% backing too.. they are into "fair play".. thats how they lost 2000 elections and many others.. you can't play fair with "cheaters" and manipulators!

i agree with West - Europa..

the democrats are too weak, they have a 50% backing too.. they are into "fair play".. thats how they lost 2000 elections and many others.. you can't play fair with "cheaters" and manipulators!

How did Bush cheat?

lKerry was a fool for not fighting this. And it's a sad state of affairs when our country is run by fear of terrorism rather than inteligent decision making. Bush is one of the worst things that's happened to this country. He's an embaresment and and destructive force to everything this country stands for.

I am sorry that your version of democracy is one in which a candidate is a traitor for not winning despite the will of the people. The last election was a debacle because the voice of the people was not heard. This is the most legitimate election in 16 years (the first in which a candidate got more than 50% of the popular vote since 1988). Kerry is not a traitor, simply the loser.


Who said that the voice of the people was necessarily meant to be heard in the U.S. Presidential election? The last I looked we were not meant to be a democracy.

Coxia

Kerry is not a traitor. Good campaign, sir.

I saw a few bush adds that were positive, and not accusatory. I didn't hear a one from kerry's people that weren't attacking bush... so it would seem to me that kerry's adds where the more negative.

and about that stolen honor thing, I'm glad I'm not the only one who heard this stuff. I got told to stop "spouting bull ****" on some other tread for calling Kerry a traitor. which he is, he met with representatives of the Vietcong in paris who councled him on how to turn public opinion against the war back at home, because they were losing. I even hear that they have a statue dedicated to kerry in some vietnamise musem, but I haven't heard any solid facts to back that...

I just relieved that he didn't win, I would have been ill if he had managed to pull it off.
70+% of bush's ads were negative, about 40+% of kerry's were myabe more

I hate americans. And I am one. I can now justify my detestment in a majority of everyone I see. Thanks, governmental process.

The entire US will now look like Texas.
You should be so lucky.

i would like to correct you in that bush is the WORST type of conservative. he is a fiscally irresponsible one. which is horrible. the only good side to conservatives is that they tend to do well with the budget(because they are stingy bastards). and bush cant do that.

hes the worst. a christian-far-right-extremist on social issues, and a some weird phenomena with his fiscal responsiblity.

i hate the man.

i cried this morning when i saw that kerry lost. cried. this county is falling apart, and bush is whats tearing it down.

i pray for a good democrat in 2008
-alpha

i would like to correct you in that bush is the WORST type of conservative. he is a fiscally irresponsible one. which is horrible. the only good side to conservatives is that they tend to do well with the budget(because they are stingy bastards). and bush cant do that.

hes the worst. a christian-far-right-extremist on social issues, and a some weird phenomena with his fiscal responsiblity.

i hate the man.

i cried this morning when i saw that kerry lost. cried. this county is falling apart, and bush is whats tearing it down.

i pray for a good democrat in 2008
-alpha

Just kill me now... Ill be there to greet you guys.