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The election was yours. What did you do ????

I voted for Kerry.

I need to explain nothing.

It's the other two-thirds of my stupid cowboy hick state that needs to answer for their choice.

As a Brit I can't really say that much about this, but at what point was the election theirs?

WTF? I can't believe there are that many stupid people in the US.

This is a sad day for the American democracy :(
Although Bush might win, it's not over yet and we might see another election debacle ala 2000. And if Bush wins, it's a sad day for the US and for the world, as he is allowed to screw all of us over for another 4 years. I am feeling depressed.

The election was yours. I dont agree...I think they may have had a chance with Dean...not with Kerry.

As a Brit I can't really say that much about this, but at what point was the election theirs?

It never really was, though there were close calls last night.. democrats deserve a lot of respect for the effort, and shouldn't be written off so easily, especially with mid-terms coming up soon. ;)

I voted for Kerry.

I need to explain nothing.

It's the other two-thirds of my stupid cowboy hick state that needs to answer for their choice.

So because they arnt on your side they need to explain?

While you don’t?


Why is that?

WTF? I can't believe there are that many stupid people in the US.
shall we not resort to insulting there please...
To steal a saying from my friend Andaluciae:

Opinions may be wrong, but they aren't stupid, and they definitely are valid.

And that is precisely what happened.

So because they arnt on your side they need to explain?

While you don’t?


Why is that?
They elected Bush. They are responsible.

It never really was, though there were close calls last night.. democrats deserve a lot of respect for the effort, and shouldn't be written off so easily, especially with mid-terms coming up soon. ;)

You are a statesman Pepe,

shall we not resort to insulting there please...
To steal a saying from my friend Andaluciae:

Opinions may be wrong, but they aren't stupid, and they definitely are valid.

And that is precisely what happened.
So let us respect Ossama's opinions as well as Bush's.
I'm fed up with the extremists who want to have a say in democracy and call those who don't let them talk fascist when their agenda is to fuck up democracy.
You can't have respect when you don't give respect.
The US has hit a new low today.

having so many conflicting scores, what was the final tally? is there a final tally yet?

having so many conflicting scores, what was the final tally? is there a final tally yet?

286-252 EC.

Hey guys, my democratic brothers in particular, I just want to say it was a good race. Even though the entire south voted for Bush, the entire house of representatives, congress, and numerous governors are all republicans, and kerry hasn't got a prayer to save him now. It was a good race while it lasted and I'm gonna miss some of the arguements and debates we had. Until next time, 4 more years!

So let us respect Ossama's opinions as well as Bush's..Oh I do respect both thier opinions...I just happen to think Osama is smarter (way more)

Hey guys, my democratic brothers in particular, I just want to say it was a good race. Even though the entire south voted for Bush, the entire house of representatives, congress, and numerous governors are all republicans, and kerry hasn't got a prayer to save him now. It was a good race while it lasted and I'm gonna miss some of the arguements and debates we had. Until next time, 4 more years!

Also a statesman. Well done.

I know I'm on wishfull thinking here but there are still 46 more votes..... :headbang:

Oh I do respect both thier opinions...I just happen to think Osama is smarter (way more)
Of course he is smarter, but his opinion is still shit.
Any opinion is not ok in my agenda, especially not self serving extremist opinions such as Ossama's or Bush's. You can not fight democracy with democracy.

OH MY GOD,

Just checked CNN there are 2 votes between them!!!!!!!

OH MY GOD,

Just checked CNN there are 2 votes between them!!!!!!!

No, Bush has won.

I agree. This election is over.

Popular Vote
Bush - 51% 58,351,066
Kerry - 48% 54,836,382

There's only three states left and Bush leads in all three.

So let us respect Ossama's opinions as well as Bush's.
I'm fed up with the extremists who want to have a say in democracy and call those who don't let them talk fascist when their agenda is to fuck up democracy.
You can't have respect when you don't give respect.
The US has hit a new low today.

greetings people of Psylos.

as you may know the CTI is a small anarchistic region with one of our core exports being mystical insight. this is what happens when the unit of curency is the hug and the national animal is the tree. people become enlightened and thoughtful. we have avery loving country. it is a humble gift from the universe.

also we are doing well since pizza diplomcay worked out to our advantage. we enjoy cheeziness, as hug traders and tree worshippers.

some questions were asked about "democracy". as our core export is mystical insight we have lots to say about the matter -- although we are a anarchisic civil commonwealth who ahve long outgrown the need for democratism in all save vestigial forms we view it as a necessary step form any burgeouning region on the path to mystic enlightenement. one of our missives on the subject follows. you should find it edifying

Glomming Oil Police

greedy oil pigs
grabbing others' petrol
Gore, our patsy.
i was hoping it would stand for 'guaranteed one-term
president' but that might take a little longer to sink
in.

in serious terms this points out the necessity for
people to understand the real meaning of democracy -- as
the whole idea of republic was, let's face it,
engineered by Greeks of the classical period, who wanted
men of shifty minds -- who they called
'philosopher-kings'.

basically Americans need to undersand that no matter
what faces they attempt to put into place to do the work
of democracy for them -- it won't work with
Constitutional Republic as the model of government.


Which takes fundamental overhaul of the system's
infrastructure. Not revolution as too many
idealitically, naively mention.

Revolution got us into this mess! It won't get us out --
but to many who are actually philosophically nihilistic
it's "fun" to talk about.

Some people are going to say '' 'you call yourself a
Democrat and you didn't vote? than you have no right to
an opinion. shut up and watch ethe returns.' But like
thousands of others i KNEW OBJECTIVELY that this
election was a farce from the moment Brother John Kerry
was tapped as candidate. and many of you know exactly
what i mean. i won't even MENTION IT here to give the
truth of it that more weight. that way instead of just
denying it as debunkers do, you can chioke on
thetruththat i am not mentioning.

Just wanted to show everyone here how weak debunkers
actually are when faced with an imnplict truth that they
have put much effort into denying. What did i say? You
blurt it out, dummies.


Meanwhile, in the logical world, the idea of Democracy
is really in contrast to the idea of Republic, including
the United States' system of Constitutional Republic.

This election was maxed out on scammy because
constitutional Republic on PURPOSE rejects the will of
he people -- of vox populi, supplanting it with the
edicts of the constitution.

this is far from opinion. the constitutional reppublic
is they System at work - as in even the men who are
elected ae faceless and generally their feelings don't
mater into what happens. individuals and the will of the
people are subjugated to what "the
rules/constitution/charter" has already set out the idea
of 'democracy' is there to "suck people in" so that they
can contribute pointless votes to a system that will go
on being the same no mater who is elected.

why i didn't vote! why play monty with guys who shark
the whole block all summer long? when you've been
watching them sharking the block and winking at each
other?

anyway, the idea of vox populi vox dei simply will not
function until average citizens -- people with no desire
to rule over other citizens of the Demos are involved
with the moment to moment doings of administration.
people who get sucked into things as they ae imediaely
become seduced by the lucre - kickbacks, graft and the
chance to get sucked up to by people who consider their
only choice sucking up to those who can hand out favors
and get off on their "power-over" and this is what we
are used to - and what has been CALLED democracy for a
long time.

every person in who is bitter in the United States about
this election probably wants Democracy -- a system where
votes actually count. That's not what we've EVER had in
the United States of America, and a revolution per se
wil not bring it. That's a carrot designed to distract
people with aszpirations of real social change into
blind fury and deleterious impotent rage -- blind rage
that depletes energy and the urge to even give a damn
anymore. The real solution has always been objectively
democratic work -- which means work done by the people
to create actual government that works. The sole factor
of republican thumbfingered ineptitutde when it comes to
adminstration actually highlights this need. of course
they didn't do this on purpose.


Effective democracy requires/needs/demands fundamental
overhaul of the system. the constitutional electoral
system is not about the needs or desires or the people.
it's a machine for doing business. i won't waste my
energy looking for a "revolution" to suit idealistic
hero fantasies. democracy isn't about that. It's about a
fundamental shift in people's unders5tanding -- and
right now that would mean people actually understanding
instead of innocently being shafted by the lies of
Republcans -- Republicans like Kerry. john kerry is a
republican folks -- get a grip. Just because he says
he's a democrat doesn't make him a demnocrat. that would
be called "lying." All that he has doen has ben to serve
the interests of The Republic -- the established order
of following procedure to get results. i wish that that
was simply a subjective judgment but it is objectively
so. He is a fake Democrat who has relied on the
gullibility of the average citizen -- who has relied on
general lack of voter education about the foundation of
federal governemt in Constitutional Republican strategy
to get ahead.



what's more it - constitutional republic - has been
grafty and low since its inception! the original
constitutional congress almost fell in its first
sessions because of the obvipos hypocricy. now Americans
who are frustrated by the current miscarriage of
justice, the current travesty of an election -- as well
as the chronic problems or Republic -- can learn from
getting an understanding of the system that started the
United States. This is the deep need for infrastructural
overhaul and close attention by people who want things
to change. A vote in a rigged election is a vote in a
riged election -- it serves theexisting set up and does
nothing for Democracy except highliight its necessity.



people - inlcuding africans, other indentured servants,
women and natives, had fought and died to create the new
system and in the first sessions of constitutinal
congress debate raged becaue he controversy - was a
slave wrh three fifths of a person for census purposes
or not?

that is the flawed foundation of political sublogic that
has caused chronic complaint by those it seems intended
to serve, the polity - and itwil continue tountilit is
overhauled and rendered into democracy.

only people with no actual desire to rule can do this!
onstitutional republic as a politicalthoughtform serves
the ambitions of men who desre to rule over many other
people. PERIOD. Constitutional republic serves the so -
called "American Dream' of mone person coming up frm
nothing and becoming the baleful uncaring eye in the
economic pyramid - the man who simply doesn't cae how
many are dominated as long as he gets to be the
dominator. it isn't democratc at all - since as we all
bascaly know, no atter who gets elected, the System
wins.

anarchists like me have - real anarchist, not Socialiss
-- have known this from jumpstreet. When plato said that
Democracy led to civil unrest and the rle of mobs, he
was proibably lying because the logical alternative to
the rule of siezers - Democratic election of
representatives - had been discussed and it didn' serve
what he thought was right. he was the first lying
republicanm perhaps, seeing what made sense and saing
[fuck it, what's in it for me?'

without an integral and basic understandngof the
atttudes being discussed in classical greece there
won'tbe democracy. fortunately t is possible to spread
this fey thin and stil have it ring true.

democracy, real democracy in the united sates or
anywhere else -- reqires that people with NO DESIRE to
dominate others are involvd whole-heartedly in the
proocess. if they becme corrupt and give in to
thetemptationof the power of rule then by logic the need
for fair choices and democratic reason is lost.


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the edge of everything. no, really.

WTF? I can't believe there are that many stupid people in the US.

Tell me about it. 49%? What kind of low-grade morons are in this country, to give so many votes to that Kerry fruitbat?

I agree. This election is over.

Popular Vote
Bush - 51% 58,351,066
Kerry - 48% 54,836,382

There's only three states left and Bush leads in all three.

I disagree.

Ohio can make Kerry win, if he fights for it in the courts and lawyer it up, just like in Florida in 2000 between Gore and Bush.

Also, you guys are forgetting the 100,000 - 270,000 extra ballots that won't be resolved for a week. That could give Kerry the lead he needs to topple the Bush regime.

I disagree.

Ohio can make Kerry win, if he fights for it in the courts and lawyer it up, just like in Florida in 2000 between Gore and Bush.

Also, you guys are forgetting the 100,000 - 270,000 extra ballots that won't be resolved for a week. That could give Kerry the lead he needs to topple the Bush regime.


Haha.


Enjoy.

As has been stated, calling anybody "stupid" or anything of the like for the way they voted, will not be tolerated. We really don't want to have to start handing out warnings for this, but if it continues, we will.