NationStates Jolt Archive

I haven't seen any other threads/posts on this, so let me go ahead and say to the Republicans and others who fought and voted for President Bush...

Congradulations. The campaigns were both hard faught, and far more ugly on both sides then I think most wanted to sink, But you won, free and fair. The White house, 5 more seats in the senate including the minority leader, and at least 5 more seats in the House of Representatives.

The campaigns were well fought, but you now have your mandate, you have near complete control (only need another 5 senate seats to prevent phillabusters) of the country. Take care of it, and again, congradulations.

A noble sentiment (though not one I would have made), but it's a bit early for concession...

No, no it's not. Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, and Nevada are all in the hands of Republicans. Pennsylvania and Wisconsin alone aren't enough to win the Democrats the White House. It's over, gg.

From somebody who's not even old enough to vote (yet), I'd like to congratulate the Republicans for taking the ball and running with it, and to the Kerry campaign for a hard-fought uphill battle.

It was dirty. It was exciting. It was mean. In the end, though, it appears that President Bush has won. If that's the will of the people, there's no way to argue with that. Excellent job, my Republican friends. You came out on top.

No, no it's not. Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, and Nevada are all in the hands of Republicans. Pennsylvania and Wisconsin alone aren't enough to win the Democrats the White House. It's over, gg.

Florida and Nevada are, but Ohio and New Mexico are still consensus "too close to call". CNN just awarded Wisconsin to Kerry, so it's 254-252. Whoever takes Ohio wins, hands down it seems.

Florida and Nevada are, but Ohio and New Mexico are still consensus "too close to call". CNN just awarded Wisconsin to Kerry, so it's 254-252. Whoever takes Ohio wins, hands down it seems.

Indeed, and that doesn't count absentee and provisional ballots, but these are not familiar to me. What is familiar to me is the claim that Ohio is a mess, and may not be sorted out for some time...hence why I say it's premature. As for why I wouldn't make the claim, that's because this was a disgracefully dirty campaign.

Website tracking the elections in realtime (http://network.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/election_night_2004/us_map_govsenhouse/index.html?SITE=CSPANELN&SECTION=POLITICS) :headbang:

Indeed, and that doesn't count absentee and provisional ballots, but these are not familiar to me. What is familiar to me is the claim that Ohio is a mess, and may not be sorted out for some time...hence why I say it's premature. As for why I wouldn't make the claim, that's because this was a disgracefully dirty campaign.

As to the Ohio mess...they're saying 11 days.

The democrats just had another surge, it's almost neck and neck.

The democrats just had another surge, it's almost neck and neck.

My god... there's still actually hope for Kerry... but I wouldn't hold out too much hope.

My god... there's still actually hope for Kerry... but I wouldn't hold out too much hope.

No, not really. Unless these provisional ballots in Ohio go like 10-1 Kerry, he's pretty much lost the state, and with it, the election.

No, not really. Unless these provisional ballots in Ohio go like 10-1 Kerry, he's pretty much lost the state, and with it, the election.

Like I said, don't hold out much hope. Personally I am finding the whole affair very amusing-both candidtates are gonna have another lawer battle... :D

As to the Ohio mess...they're saying 11 days.

I learned my lesson in 2000. There's no shock at this news, just dismay. Thanks, though.

Like I said, don't hold out much hope. Personally I am finding the whole affair very amusing-both candidtates are gonna have another lawer battle... :D

I don't think so. Neither campaign is going to admit defeat until the final seconds, but there are no scandals involving voting this time around. There's nothing to really challenge. Once Ohio is set in stone, we'll know who the president is.

Ohio is set in stone - anyone who says otherwise is blowing smoke up your arse. Bush won that state, and won it in a fairly huge way relative to some other major swing states.

Though I will say one thing - I'm fairly disgusted by both Fox News and CNN this election night. CNN is trying to misrepresent the vote, claiming that the states that Bush won were too close to call... but placing even closer votes as clear wins for Kerry. Which is why you see this 254 / 252 number... the election is nowhere near as close as all that - in all the remaining "OMG it's TCTC" states, Bush is winning.

As for Fox News - they did the opposite. States that Kerry would inevitably win were not added to the polls until much later than was reasonable (i.e. California), but Ohio was called for the President very, very early, and no one else has had the guts to call Ohio, despite the fact the numbers heavily support an inevitable Bush victory.

Ohio is set in stone - anyone who says otherwise is blowing smoke up your arse. Bush won that state, and won it in a fairly huge way relative to some other major swing states.

Though I will say one thing - I'm fairly disgusted by both Fox News and CNN this election night. CNN is trying to misrepresent the vote, claiming that the states that Bush won were too close to call... but placing even closer votes as clear wins for Kerry. Which is why you see this 254 / 252 number... the election is nowhere near as close as all that - in all the remaining "OMG it's TCTC" states, Bush is winning.

As for Fox News - they did the opposite. States that Kerry would inevitably win were not added to the polls until much later than was reasonable (i.e. California), but Ohio was called for the President very, very early, and no one else has had the guts to call Ohio, despite the fact the numbers heavily support an inevitable Bush victory.

Did I say CNN? I meant C-SPAN. Sorry. I like to use C-SPAN because I find it hard to think that they'd be biased one way or the other. They've got the 254-252 count.

I watched Fox News most of the night, they called Cali as soon as the results started coming in..they called many Kerry states as soon as it became clear, while they are still sitting on the Fence on clear Bush wins in New Mexico, Nevada, and Iowa.

Only states I saw they held out on in Kerry's case is close states like Michigan and Minnesota which originally looked very close. Hell they called Penn early and that get alot closer in the end. Ohio is a fair call for Bush, watching CNN you could see the bias flowing all night even with the reality of the Pop vote which was very strong. They called it a to close to call state, what a load of crap.

I think its amazing how much support Bush ended up getting with so much against him, high profile celebrities, the bias mostly false documentary by Michael Moore with other attempts by this out of touch with reality filmaker trying to affect the vote, trouble in Iraq, 48% approval rating, left wing loons getting more voice then they should have, left wing Networks: CBS, NBC, CNN, etc bias Papers New York Times, La Times, etc. with a majority of said media leaning towards the left. In addition of the stigma of his last Presidential Election going into courts without a Pop vote.

The fact he did so well and got such a strong Pop vote is very encouraging.

Thank You Anthrophomorphs,
I think we have won, I dont think
he can overcome those votes,
I have done the math.

Kerry ran a respectable campaign, though many of his allies used scummy tactics. In the end I did the opposite of what may liberals did:

I didn't vote for Bush, I voted against liberals.

That is why the Democrats lost - America is rejecting liberalism. Had they used a less liberal candidate with a less liberal agenda they would have had a good chance of getting my vote.

Bush did many things I don't like - spending whore and big givt the most egrigious, but Kerry only promised more of the same. I couldn't give him my vote.

Next time maybe the Dems will find an advocate of reducing the government. Billy C did a better job at that than W ever did. They may then get my vote, and probably many others as well.

Good luck next time, now lets make clear to W that the checkbook this go around must be balanced.