NationStates Jolt Archive

Alright, listen up people, I'm only going to say this once.

This is the first United States presidential election since Nationstates was created. That's all fine and dandy. However, we've noticed a marked increase over the course of this year in trolling, flaming, and flamebaiting in regards to the election. Since we're into the big finale fiasco now, I just want to remind you people to keep your tempers in check.

Tempers and emotions are running quite high between the various political affiliations in this forum. That's fine. What's NOT fine is going off on other users, as we saw briefly in a several threads already. The next week at the least is going to be a headache for the moderation staff because of the election fiasco and users who let their emotions get the better of them. Please remember your manners and avoid flaming eachother, lest we end up having to forumban people en masse over the election debacle.

Some helpful suggestions to keep from getting forumbanned or deleted:

1) IGNORE FLAMEBAIT! If you see somebody ranting and it pisses you off, that's your first clue- don't respond to it unless you can do so in a rational, calm, civil manner.

2) DON'T READ THE FORUM! You know what will piss you off. Don't read it then! If you suspect you can't control your temper, step away from the computer for a day or two- Nationstates will still be here, and you will be too, unless you go flying off the handle and flame somebody silly.

3) THINK BEFORE YOU POST! If you must respond to something, don't do so immediately. Walk away from it for a bit, count to ten, etc. Respond with your intellect, not your emotions.

4) THE MODS ARE ALREADY HIGH STRUNG, DON'T WORSEN THIS! We're already being bombarded with complaints about posts by people, complaints about moderator handling of posts by other people, and the usual harping by people who are on the receiving end of moderation actions. Please try to remain civil with us- we are not perfect, or omnipresent. Treat us in a civil manner, and we will treat you likewise. Treat us in an uncivil manner, and you increase your odds of getting into trouble. We are only human, people, and we do have our own opinions and stances across the entire spectrum, and we have to try and remain as impartial as we can in our moderating despite our opinions. Your cooperation will be much more appreciated than your making this even more difficult will be.

Thank you for your cooperation.

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~Master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

Is forumban[ning] [sic] permanent, or does it have a specified duration?

I think those notes should have been stickied and taken notice of a long time ago.

Wise words well spoken. Lets just hope the people that need to read them actualy do.

Hats off to the moderators

Is forumban[ning] [sic] permanent, or does it have a specified duration?
It can be either; it's case-specific. Today's forumbans have been temps.

All we're asking is that people play nice. It shouldn't really be that hard; we're all autonomous, reasonably intelligent human beings here.

well, how long does a temp last then?

well, how long does a temp last then?

What we feel to be reasonable. Recently, I think that they have been 1 day affairs, but that is not to say that we won't/can't adjust them as we see fit.

Also let it be known that I take a very dim view of gloating, as I interpret it under the "malicious content" clause of the Terms and Conditions. If I see it, I will issue warnings for trolling/flamebaiting.

This is regardless of whether Bush's election is final or Ohio surprisingly turns around and falls for Kerry. No gloating.

...and come to think of it, the sore losers should also watch their step. Carefully.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."

Too bad we couldn't just ban the topic all together...

Too bad we couldn't just ban the topic all together...
/me has a half-crazed grin on his face and giggles for a moment, then immediately returns to normal.

We will take that suggestion into consideration.

--The Jovial States of Cogitation
"Laugh about it for a moment."
NationStates Self-Proclaimed Court Jester

We will take that suggestion into consideration.
Doth me ears deceive me, dost me hear ye all might mod thinking of taking me humble suggestion into consideration... ;)

Yeah, but seriously, I think it would do some good. Or, it could be treated the same way the "Ask a..." threads...

Heh he he he he he...!!

Don't you love conversaton..! :D

Just so people don't complain when I rain nukes upon them...

Earlier today, I ruled in a thread that any suggestion that people who do not like the state of affairs in America move out, will be treated as an actionable offence. It is still OK for an individual to say that they are unhappy and considering their options, because that is a reasonable decision up to the individual. However, comments from third parties along the lines of "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" (an actual example) will result in a formal warning and then a deletion for whatever offence is committed next.

I am specifically looking out for this sort of thing. Do not let it be you.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

Just so people don't complain when I rain nukes upon them...

Earlier today, I ruled in a thread that any suggestion that people who do not like the state of affairs in America move out, will be treated as an actionable offence. It is still OK for an individual to say that they are unhappy and considering their options, because that is a reasonable decision up to the individual. However, comments from third parties along the lines of "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" (an actual example) will result in a formal warning and then a deletion for whatever offence is committed next.

I am specifically looking out for this sort of thing. Do not let it be you.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

Can we say "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" to people you delete?

Can we say "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" to people you delete?

Let's keep it civil?

Let's keep it civil?

Dang. I'll take that as a no.

But it's not like they'll see it.

However, comments from third parties along the lines of "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" (an actual example) will result in a formal warning and then a deletion for whatever offence is committed next.

Interesting: so is saying "do let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" forbidden as well as saying "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out"?

Interesting: so is saying "do let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" forbidden as well as saying "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out"?
You should already know that a) yes, it's forbidden, and b) this is a stupid question.

You should already know that a) yes, it's forbidden, and b) this is a stupid question.

It was more of a rhetorical question pointing out the interesting (to me) situation where both 'X' and 'not-X' are banned statements.

Can't there just be a mortum on these damned threads? (the election related ones)

Kryozerkia, we don't want you to be deafened by screams of "FASCISM!!!" ;)

Ahem, the mods aren't denying anyone's right to... Discuss and vent a little bit regarding this topic.

They just want to see responsible discussion, that's all.

Who wants to do a betting poll to see how many nations will be banned or deleted in the next 48 hours?

I bet 60 nations

Kryozerkia, we don't want you to be deafened by screams of "FASCISM!!!" ;)

OMG you said the F word!!!!

*Covers ears*

Think of the children!!! :D

I don't care who you are or what your belifs are, politics is a VERY emotional thing, and if your moderators get to be the sole earthly judges of right and wrong, and will delete or lock emotional or controversial threads, whats the point of haveing a forum?

The fact is that some people get carried away and instead of expressing glee or sadness in an intelligent manner, they focus on offending the other side as much as possible. Some of the threads I have seen (from both sides) have been absolutely disgusting behavior. Theres no need for it.

Finally, Rep is doing something about all the spam

It would be stupid for a politics-based forum, to ban politics.

It would be stupid for a politics-based forum, to ban politics.

Which is why we're reminding people to keep their tempers in check and to keep it civil rather than ban the discussion outright =p

^_^

That would be a pity...

Kryozerkia, we don't want you to be deafened by screams of "FASCISM!!!" ;)
I never said to ban political discussions all together, I was talking about the political crap pouring out of the USA. I understand how the Electoral College works and that scares me... I was a happy Canuck not knowing... ;)

Appendix #1

Using puppets to come on and flame will result in the puppet being deleted and your main nation being warned, forumbanned or even deleted depending on severity, previous warnings and how lenient the moderator dealing with it is feeling.
In short, don't do it. We're checking IPs, and you will be punished.


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Myrth
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Forum Moderator

I never said to ban political discussions all together, I was talking about the political crap pouring out of the USA. I understand how the Electoral College works and that scares me... I was a happy Canuck not knowing... ;)

Ignorance is (or in our case Kryozerkia, was) bliss... [sigh] I'll miss those days. ;)

Ignorance is (or in our case Kryozerkia, was) bliss... [sigh] I'll miss those days. ;)
Me too. (wistful sigh* the good old days...

After all, Nationstates is just a game and the forums are somewhere for national leaders to "hang out" and chat to each other in a friendly way. Why do some people have to get so worked up and spoil NationStates for others?

because they're idiots? :confused:
Discussion is fine, but when it degrades to name calling... or people posting things just to get a reaction.

I'm somewhat curious what the distinction in this case is.

On the one hand, you have people who are saying they want to leave the country because their politician didn't get elected. To many, this is very offensive ... it could easily (and often does) represent an attack on their personal beliefs, especially if they voted for that candidate, saying that their choice was so bad that it's not even worth being a member of the same country anymore.

Then on the other hand, you have people responding to this saying those that want to leave the country /should/ and some have even supplied means to do so.

I guess I don't see it as much different than saying, "put up or shut up," or, "I'm calling your bluff, show your cards." One person expresses a desire and the other voices their encouragement.

"I want to get an ice cream!" "Then do it!"
"I want to leave the country!" "Go ahead!"

Where's the foul?

there's a difference in saying
"I think Kerry makes a better President"
and
"F@#k you. Bush is an @$$%ole and anyone who votes for him is a Retard!"

Views can be argued and opinions stated without the negativity.

:D

there's a difference in saying
"I think Kerry makes a better President"
and
"F@#k you. Bush is an @$$%ole and anyone who votes for him is a Retard!"

Views can be argued and opinions stated without the negativity.

:D

True, there's definately a difference there, and it's happening on both sides, not just the "liberal" side.

The point of the mod on here, though, was that he's banning anyone who suggests that someone else move out of the country. But it's ok to say /you/ want to move, or it's ok to suggest that the rest of the states leave /with/ you. I'm curious where the distinction actually lies and what's so wrong about it. It would seem to me the first person is just as wrong as the respondant.

True, there's definately a difference there, and it's happening on both sides, not just the "liberal" side.

The point of the mod on here, though, was that he's banning anyone who suggests that someone else move out of the country. But it's ok to say /you/ want to move, or it's ok to suggest that the rest of the states leave /with/ you. I'm curious where the distinction actually lies and what's so wrong about it. It would seem to me the first person is just as wrong as the respondant.


I lovingly support all those who wish to leave America.

Is that kosher..?

I lovingly support all those who wish to leave America.

Is that kosher..?

Forgetting this? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370892)

Forgetting this? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370892)
Wow, what an asshole! Forum ban his ass! ^_^ Good job, mods... (even if you do seem to be a bit tyrannical at times).