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Bush is winng oh no! oh well after this 4 years he can't run again and if kerry wins we'll dump him in 2008 for someone else.

Bush is winng oh no! oh well after this 4 years he can't run again and if kerry wins we'll dump him in 2008 for someone else.
Yes, but Cali hasn't given Kerry 55 votes yet.

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PA is leaning toward Kerry with 21. Ohio is closer with 20. Florida is leaning toward Bush though.

The big three and who they are leaning towards:
1. Pennslyvania: Kerry
2. Ohio: Bush
3. Florida: Bush

yeah, so far nothing has changed from the expected. if all goes as planned, bush will have a 2 vote lead without the swing-states, but actually, Kerry might carry Missiouri, which is a republican state and that would put him up by 20.

Bush is winng oh no! oh well after this 4 years he can't run again and if kerry wins we'll dump him in 2008 for someone else.

While I want Bush to win, you can relax. No key states have switched yet. Still way too early.

wrong. florida "apparently" is leaning towards bush? No, his brother is leaning towards bush, not florida. I wish my brother was the gov of florida... then I could be a cheater and get away with it.

The big three and who they are leaning towards:
1. Pennslyvania: Kerry
2. Ohio: Bush
3. Florida: Bush

actually, Ohio is so close you can't really even say that but whatever. (people with only cell phones cannot be polled)

I'm going on the current numbers which has Bush: 52% and Kerry 47%.

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I had a bigger pic of Optimus in the other topic I made.

wrong. florida "apparently" is leaning towards bush? No, his brother is leaning towards bush, not florida. I wish my brother was the gov of florida... then I could be a cheater and get away with it.


Because Jeb Bush is doing what exactly? Is he going district to district and "fixing" voting machines? Maybe he isnt allowing people to vote by dispatching the police and firemen to use firehoses and pepper spray.

edit: we dont live in a dictatorship. we live in a country with lots of checks and balances such as reporters and voters and courts.

It's 52-47 with a Bush lead in Ohio and Michigan, but less than 20% precincts reporting.

Ohio most likely will NOT be decided tonight. The state's a mess.

58000 go missing.....sond familar?

Bush is winng oh no! oh well after this 4 years he can't run again and if kerry wins we'll dump him in 2008 for someone else.

Oh, but don't forget that because he doesn't have to worry about being reelected...he can get away with whatever he wants. :-/

Because Jeb Bush is doing what exactly? Is he going district to district and "fixing" voting machines? Maybe he isnt allowing people to vote by dispatching the police and firemen to use firehoses and pepper spray.

edit: we dont live in a dictatorship. we live in a country with lots of checks and balances such as reporters and voters and courts.

once again, but spelled correctly

58,000 go missing....sound familar?????
don't mean to be so anti-bush, I just don't want to be lied to or my family to die

once again, but spelled correctly

58,000 go missing....sound familar?????
don't mean to be so anti-bush, I just don't want to be lied to or my family to die

and it just seems 4 years ago when bush won because of florida.....you remember? He didn't win, but he did?

Bush is winng oh no! oh well after this 4 years he can't run again and if kerry wins we'll dump him in 2008 for someone else.

If there's still a country by that time...seriously, I live in L.A., so I have to worry about Bush pissing off someone enough to get them to jam a nuke up his (and thusly my) -ss. It's L.A. or New York, I figure.

Anyway, it's too early to tell even now. Begone, Gangsta Specter of Defeat!

wrong. florida "apparently" is leaning towards bush? No, his brother is leaning towards bush, not florida. I wish my brother was the gov of florida... then I could be a cheater and get away with it.

Thats a tall order. Would you like to provide some proof, or even evidence of that? thats evidence, not conjecture and opinions.

Put up or shut up.

Oh, but don't forget that because he doesn't have to worry about being reelected...he can get away with whatever he wants. :-/

And this is what inspires the real terror when I imagine another 4 years of George Bush.

yes you f*cking moron we all know gore won the popular vote but don't act so surpirsed

that has happened a few times so get over it
IT WAS 4 YEARS AGO

58000 go missing.....sond familar?

given that no news organization could produce a single voter who was disenfranchised, no it DOESNT sound familar.

Thats a tall order. Would you like to provide some proof, or even evidence of that? thats evidence, not conjecture and opinions.

Put up or shut up.

There was plently of proof. being on the internent, you might know that. Doesn't matter. People like you are the ones who are shocked 20 years from now when it'll come out in the truth comission.

given that no news organization could produce a single voter who was disenfranchised, no it DOESNT sound familar.

they didn't last time either.

WEIRD???? how come it doesn't happen in California? Or New York? Or Nevada? or the rest of the US?

That is ONE f@£$ed up coincidence

And this is what inspires the real terror when I imagine another 4 years of George Bush.
I envision diasterous attempted invasions of either Iran or North Korea. Either of which could potentially kick off an Israel-centric WW3 (Iran) or a nuclear exchange (N. Korea). I also think this could happen if Kerry got in, but it's an almost definate certainty with another 4 years of Bush.

2005/6 could be the years the War on Terror comes back to bite George Bush in the ass. Hard.

There was plently of proof. being on the internent, you might know that. Doesn't matter. People like you are the ones who are shocked 20 years from now when it'll come out in the truth comission.

you're probably one of those people who hate foriegners because they think you're president is a dick, aren't you?

it's people like you that caused innocent people to die, american and non-american.

they didn't last time either.

WEIRD???? how come it doesn't happen in California? Or New York? Or Nevada? or the rest of the US?

That is ONE f@£$ed up coincidence

Why would there ever be any issues in a state that swing so far one way or the other. Is it so hard for you to accept that it was a very close race and some states were closer than other?

If jeb bush realy has the power you believe he does, why was it close in Florida? wouldnt it have made more sense for him have florida win decisively and therefore not be under the national scrutiny that it was put under?

There was plently of proof. being on the internent, you might know that. Doesn't matter. People like you are the ones who are shocked 20 years from now when it'll come out in the truth comission.

Oh yes, the internet! That great depository of untainted truth. Seriously man, that was weak. When you make claims such as these the burden of truth is on you. Dont ask me to go on a paranoia scavenger hunt across the internet to support your argument. But hey, what do I know. I'm obviously part of the vast right wing conspiracy for asking you to corroborate your accusation with fact.

And this is what inspires the real terror when I imagine another 4 years of George Bush.

Well, you're not living with the worlds biggest Islamic country on your northern border...

Before September 11th happened, I wasn't worried. Then Bali happened...then Madrid. I catch the train everyday and they're usually overcrowded.

Then terrorists bombed our embassy there.

I get the feeling we're next. And antagonising them with a war on Islam (sic) isn't going to help...

58000 go missing.....sond familar?

The conspiracy surrounding the fact that Bush used his friends in the supreme court to turn back 50,000 African American voters at the polls is completely false.


HOWEVER, the little-known fact that you don't really hear is the media announced that that Gore won an hour before the polls closed in the Florida panhandle, which is an hour behind the rest of Florida, so 50-100,000 people just decided not to vote. And that whole area is very conservative, which would've completely negated the mess in Florida.

I think that bush will pull through eventually, but personally GO NADER
;) ;)

you're probably one of those people who hate foriegners because they think you're president is a dick, aren't you?

it's people like you that caused innocent people to die, american and non-american.

This is what we call argument ad hominem, attacking a person in an attempt to dismiss their idea. Its generally accepted as bad form.

I'm fairly confident Kerry will take Pennsylvania, and I think Bush will take Florida. Ohio will be the deciding state this time. (right now, Ohio and Florida have virtually the same percentages, Bush 53%-Kerry47% in Ohio, 52%-47% in Florida, but Florida has 78% of precincts reporting, while Ohio only has 25%)

Oh well, looks like Bush is going to walk this one. He might have 270 and a plus-55 lead over Kerry before they even start thinking about California. Just proves that a dumb personality beats no personality at all.

That'll teach the Democrats for putting Kerry up instead of Dean, but at what cost?

Ohio update from someone who lives there: Earlier Bush was winning by 10%, then about 15 minutes later, Kerry was winning by 10%. The local news has the updated number coming across the screen about every minute and they're different every time they come up. They are counting so slow, that local issues are being affected and what should be decided by now (school levies and such) aren't even close to being done.

The only thing that's for sure in Ohio is that Issue One will pass.

Bush doesn't seem to be winning now, well in the CNN projections he's leading Kerry, however this doesn't hold any weight because no major states have been decided yet, also polls are still open on the West coast. Since Calififornia is a clearly Kerry state that will close down the supposed "lead" by Bush by 55 electorial votes.

Bush doesn't seem to be winning now, well in the CNN projections he's leading Kerry, however this doesn't hold any weight because no major states have been decided yet, also polls are still open on the West coast. Since Calififornia is a clearly Kerry state that will close down the supposed "lead" by Bush by 55 electorial votes.

Knocking 55 points off an 81-point-and-growing Bush lead is going to save Kerry a little pride, but not much else.

they didn't last time either.

WEIRD???? how come it doesn't happen in California? Or New York? Or Nevada? or the rest of the US?

That is ONE f@£$ed up coincidence

Oh, btw, the voter error in Illinois was 6 and change percent. The voter error in florida was only 2 and change percent. The reason that Florida got scrutinized was because it was so close there.

People like you just refuse to get it though. Dont you understand that both parties are always waiting to jump on the other party regardless if something illegal/unethical happened or not.

You can keep living in your dream world if you like, it will only give you an ulcer.

Knocking 55 points off an 81-point-and-growing Bush lead is going to save Kerry a little pride, but not much else.
Plus 11 Washington, 8 Oregon, and 4 Hawaii. (Yes, Hawaii will go Kerry)

The conspiracy surrounding the fact that Bush used his friends in the supreme court to turn back 50,000 African American voters at the polls is completely false.

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Witch is of course a Republican point.


The rest of the world is more likely to go to the facts and sees of course a Republican fraud. Adolf would have been jalous.

I hope you are wrong!!!!!!!!!

Witch is of course a Republican point.


The rest of the world is more likely to go to the facts and sees of course a Republican fraud. Adolf would have been jalous.

Facts? What "facts"?

Learn to:

1. Spell
2. Make coherent arguements

Plus 11 Washington, 8 Oregon, and 4 Hawaii. (Yes, Hawaii will go Kerry)
That still leaves you 3 short, without including the currently-undecided states that will go to Bush. The fact Kerry could win the largest (in terms of electoral importance) state and 3 more and still not beat Bush if he stayed as he is might tell you something about where this is going.

Oh well, looks like Bush is going to walk this one. He might have 270 and a plus-55 lead over Kerry before they even start thinking about California. Just proves that a dumb personality beats no personality at all.

That'll teach the Democrats for putting Kerry up instead of Dean, but at what cost?

The dems should have put Dean up. He would have lost badly, but he is at least a man of principle and that has to be respected. Surprisingly, many of my friends were/are undecided as of today. They didnt want to vote for bush, but they had no reason for voting for Kerry. They all saw him as as a political opportunist. Maybe Dean would have energized them, maybe not...But at least Dean wanted to be president because he had a vision for the country(not one that I agree with but thats okay). Kerry just wants to be president because he wants to be president. Hard to motivate based on that.

The conspiracy surrounding the fact that Bush used his friends in the supreme court to turn back 50,000 African American voters at the polls is completely false.

Indeed, it is...the claim is that they used the state's police force and erroneous felon lists to do so.


HOWEVER, the little-known fact that you don't really hear is the media announced that that Gore won an hour before the polls closed in the Florida panhandle, which is an hour behind the rest of Florida, so 50-100,000 people just decided not to vote. And that whole area is very conservative, which would've completely negated the mess in Florida.

You mean they *gasp* made a call on the election early?! I had no idea that any station tried to make a prediction on the election before all the votes were in! [/sarcasm]

Facts? What "facts"?

Learn to:

1. Spell
2. Make coherent arguements

Learn to spell yourself you monolinguist Texan bastard.

Hey, sorry that you only can speak a pestilant form of Shakespears language.

Begrijp je?
Tu comprends?
Verstehn Sie? (Hmm, republican Nazi's that speak like you do about non native English speakers must feel the need to stretch the right arm while reading the language of their God: Adolf!).

You mean they *gasp* made a call on the election early?! I had no idea that any station tried to make a prediction on the election before all the votes were in! [/sarcasm]


its not about all the votes being in, itsabout calling a state while the polls are still open thus influencing voter behaviour. There are more than 1 time zone in florida. It doesnt matter what you say after the polls areclosed, but while they are open you run the risk of influencing people to not bother voting or leaving the voting line.

Unfortunately, it's not looking good for Kerry. If Bush takes Florida, Ohio and Michigan, he's all but won. And at present he's leading comfortably in those three states.
:(

Ohio most likely will NOT be decided tonight. The state's a mess.
The margin is over 100,000 so it won't be too bad

HOWEVER, the little-known fact that you don't really hear is the media announced that that Gore won an hour before the polls closed in the Florida panhandle, which is an hour behind the rest of Florida, so 50-100,000 people just decided not to vote. And that whole area is very conservative, which would've completely negated the mess in Florida.
But surely, if the media was saying Gore had won by a slim margin, it would have polarised all those GOP voters to rush to the polls to vote.
You're also assuming that everyone of those 50-100 000 voters would have:
a. All voted GOP
b. Listened to the media reports before heading off to vote to help them make up their minds.
c. Were all waiting until the last minute before voting.

So, some faulty bits of logic and wild assumptions going on there.

Bush-203
Kerry-133

its not about all the votes being in, itsabout calling a state while the polls are still open thus influencing voter behaviour. There are more than 1 time zone in florida. It doesnt matter what you say after the polls areclosed, but while they are open you run the risk of influencing people to not bother voting or leaving the voting line.

I don't disagree that it could influence things, but my point is that such a thing was pretty widespread, and I wouldn't exactly call it deliberate tampering for that reason.

The dems should have put Dean up. He would have lost badly, but he is at least a man of principle and that has to be respected. Surprisingly, many of my friends were/are undecided as of today. They didnt want to vote for bush, but they had no reason for voting for Kerry. They all saw him as as a political opportunist. Maybe Dean would have energized them, maybe not...But at least Dean wanted to be president because he had a vision for the country(not one that I agree with but thats okay). Kerry just wants to be president because he wants to be president. Hard to motivate based on that.

amen..kerry is just an oppurtunist/divider

Learn to spell yourself you monolinguist Texan bastard.

Hey, sorry that you only can speak a pestilant form of Shakespears language.

Begrijp je?
Tu comprends?
Verstehn Sie? (Hmm, republican Nazi's that speak like you do about non native English speakers must feel the need to stretch the right arm while reading the language of their God: Adolf!).

Since my own mental adversary :p has apparently skipped the thread in the face of any actual argument I guess I'll latch onto yours.

Lets count the strikes against you.

1. Attacking your opponent for only speaking one language.
2. Even when you dont know that.
3. And its irrelevent since the conversation is in english.
4. resorting to name calling against your opponent.
5. Using broad, emotionally loaded imagery to slander republicans in general.

My repect for you just soars. Try defending your point instead of debasing yourself with such infantile name calling. Do you have any evidence supporting that there was election rigging? There actually is quite a bit of (in my eyes unconvincing) evidence but you obviously can't be bothered to find and display it to support your position.

Whew <wiping sweat from brow>

What? Everybody hops on for the bullshit parade but nobody wants to stay to logically defend it?

What? Everybody hops on for the bullshit parade but nobody wants to stay to logically defend it?
You're surprised? Most people find defending their opinions far too much trouble, no matter what those opinions are. It's much easier, and almost as satisfying, to simply repeat them as many times as possible...

amen..kerry is just an oppurtunist/divider

Kerry didn't give the world a middle finger, and he didn't invade Iraq under false pretenses of terrorism to plunger its oil.

Kerry didn't give the world a middle finger, and he didn't invade Iraq under false pretenses of terrorism to plunger its oil.

i am tired of this oil conspiracy..crap thats what it is..we really took iraq to have a firm footing before having to handle iran...besides who should control the oil us or a lunatic who gasses hundreds of men women and children...

Trying to logically defend a so called "bullshit parade" is worse than useless.
:rolleyes:

I'm hoping against hope for a Kerry win. It may be the lesser of two evils, but he's the best we've got. I'm just worried about what will happen if Bush gets to appoint the next Supreme Court justices; there are several hanging on by a thread right now, and if Bush gets to pick the next Supreme Court then we lose abortion and we lose gay rights. Goodbye, equal marriage rights and safe clinics. Hello, riots and young pregnant girls dying in the backs of vans because they tried to get an illegal abortion.

That's this year, however. For 2008, I say Obama for President!

I'm hoping against hope for a Kerry win. It may be the lesser of two evils, but he's the best we've got. I'm just worried about what will happen if Bush gets to appoint the next Supreme Court justices; there are several hanging on by a thread right now, and if Bush gets to pick the next Supreme Court then we lose abortion and we lose gay rights. Goodbye, equal marriage rights and safe clinics. Hello, riots and young pregnant girls dying in the backs of vans because they tried to get an illegal abortion.

That's this year, however. For 2008, I say Obama for President!

Bush is looking like he'll pull it out with his lead in Ohio. Kerry will have to finish hard to have a chance, especially now that Florida is Bush's.

Huh... still no compelling argument. Oh well, eviscerating stupid peoples argument was fun but this kind of flame bait is gettin old. I think I'll go check on the laser weasel experiment.

If current trends continue and Bush takes Ohio, Kerry needs to take 10 points off the Republicans just to make evens. That's as well as winning all the states he's currently leading in. What he's got just won't be enough. Even if Kerry wins every state he's currently leading in, and takes Alaska and New Mexico somehow, he's basically got no chance. If Bush takes Ohio, he's fucked.

If Bush takes Ohio, Kerry needs Nevada, Iowa, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Michigan, New Hampshire, Hawaii and Alaska to win and with a 5% Republican lead in New Mexico, Bush taking currently almost two thirds of the vote in Alaska, the 50-50 split in Iowa and the tenuous Democrat leads of 1% in Nevada and Wisconsin, It's not looking very good for the rest of the world.

At this point I just hope Bush takes Ohio so there'll be as little controversy as possible in the aftermath of this election.

At this point I just hope Bush takes Ohio so there'll be as little controversy as possible in the aftermath of this election.

I lose my hope. Bush probably takes Ohio, but it will be contested.