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If Kerry gets in the country will already be fucked up becuase of Bush. We are in a bad position economically and millitarily, the repbulicans will have a majority in the senate. And Kerry will be blamed for what Bush has done.

Obvisouly times haven't become bad enough. Today a friend of mine lost his job, and now he's a liberal. More soildiers need to die, to prove how huge of a blunder the invasion was. The poverty rate needs to continue to rise, and unemployment. To prove that Bush and the repbulican party are satans minions.

Four more years!

Remember comrades, the worse the repbulican party looks the better things are for us.

If Kerry gets in the country will already be fucked up becuase of Bush. We are in a bad position economically and millitarily, the repbulicans will have a majority in the senate. And Kerry will be blamed for what Bush has done.

Obvisouly times haven't become bad enough. Today a friend of mine lost his job, and now he's a liberal. More soildiers need to die, to prove how huge of a blunder the invasion was. The poverty rate needs to continue to rise, and unemployment. To prove that Bush and the repbulican party are satans minions.

Four more years!

Remember comrades, the worse the repbulican party looks the better things are for us.

The president has little to do with the economy. It rests more with the Fed's actions. Bush is not to blame for your friend losing his job.

The president has little to do with the economy. It rests more with the Fed's actions. Bush is not to blame for your friend losing his job.


The Federal Reserve only controls the interests rates. Fiscal policy is responsibility of the goverment, and fiscal policy (taxation, spending) is the center of a nation's activity.

4 more years of Bush will almost certainly lead to a senseless war in North Korea or Iran, which could possibly lead to an all-out US-against-Arab war (Iran) or possibly nuclear conflict (N. Korea). If you think Bush has been bad for the last four years, you ain't seen nothing yet.

He's gone after the weaker states who oppose him in this term - in the next he's going to try to take on some nations with real capability to smite others (do you really expect Kim Jong-il not to throw all he's got at Seoul if the US got anywhere near Pyongyang?) - Four more years of Bush might be bad for the US economy which would give the Democrats something to gloat about, but is it worth the death it'll cause?

If Kerry gets in the country will already be fucked up becuase of Bush. We are in a bad position economically and millitarily, the repbulicans will have a majority in the senate. And Kerry will be blamed for what Bush has done.

Obvisouly times haven't become bad enough. Today a friend of mine lost his job, and now he's a liberal. More soildiers need to die, to prove how huge of a blunder the invasion was. The poverty rate needs to continue to rise, and unemployment. To prove that Bush and the repbulican party are satans minions.

Four more years!

Remember comrades, the worse the repbulican party looks the better things are for us.
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Was there a point in that at all?

You say Bush needs to stay in power...so our economy goes even lower, and more of soldiers die? Its worth losing millions more jobs and thousands more soldiers to prove that "Republicans are Satan's Minions"?

I'd sit here and take this argument apart piece by piece, but I have things to do. If you'd like, however, I think I can find time to show you how horribly incoherrent this is.

I think he was being sarcastic..

The Federal Reserve only controls the interests rates. Fiscal policy is responsibility of the goverment, and fiscal policy (taxation, spending) is the center of a nation's activity.


The Fed does more than interest rates.

http://www.investopedia.com/university/thefed/fed2.asp

Lots of good stuff on that website.

Interesting point of view, and i have had similar threads of thought. But is making the neo-cons and republicans look bad worth subjecting the world to another 4 yrs of Bush?

I want Bush to win because it amuses me when liberals get angry.

The president has little to do with the economy. It rests more with the Fed's actions. Bush is not to blame for your friend losing his job.

Bush is partly to blame.
First: Bush gave a tax cut which hurts the middle class, and gives all the money to the filthy rich. Really. He believes if you give money to the filthy rich, they will create jobs which will employ the population. Key words, filthy rich.

Two: We are in debt, and now we have to drop into our social security funds.

Three: YOU DONT LOWER TAXES IN A WAR

Hey, if Bush really wanted to help our economy, he could have outlawed outsourcing. And then maybe I could figure out who I'm talking to.

I want Bush to win because it amuses me when liberals get angry.

Becareful what you wish for.

Hillary in 2008 sounds like revenge!

Becareful what you wish for.

Hillary in 2008 sounds like revenge!

Or McCain-Guliani. Nice ticket.

Bush is partly to blame.
First: Bush gave a tax cut which hurts the middle class, and gives all the money to the filthy rich. Really. He believes if you give money to the filthy rich, they will create jobs which will employ the population. Key words, filthy rich.

Two: We are in debt, and now we have to drop into our social security funds.

Three: YOU DONT LOWER TAXES IN A WAR

Hey, if Bush really wanted to help our economy, he could have outlawed outsourcing. And then maybe I could figure out who I'm talking to.

He gave a tax cut to the middle class...this hurts them how? I was pretty happy to get that check.

Social security should be done away with.

Outlaw outsourcing? That's oppression. And it is beneficial.

Noone seems to understand that the destruction of the World Trade Center
has alot to do with the current job losses & economic problems.

He gave a tax cut to the middle class...this hurts them how? I was pretty happy to get that check.

Social security should be done away with.

Outlaw outsourcing? That's oppression. And it is beneficial.

EWWW yaaaa I got a tax cut but Cost of living wiped it out.

Social Security should be left alone.

Outlaing outsourcing is hardly oppression. The benefical parts are questionable. If the consumer base is out of working or as it's been shown making on the average $6000 less, lower priced goods don't mean much.

Job creation is questionable as well. What jobs are being created? Any venture capitolist won't talk to you unless you have a plan for outsourcing.

Noone seems to understand that the destruction of the World Trade Center
has alot to do with the current job losses & economic problems.

Strongly disagree; the economy started to slide pre 9/11 (although it didn't help matters). But it is doing fine now.

Noone seems to understand that the destruction of the World Trade Center
has alot to do with the current job losses & economic problems.


True. However,

How many of the CEO thieves have been prosecuted for their fraudulant actions. Hmmm Martha? Do you think Kenny Boy Lay will be prosecuted by his buddy the shrub?

Failure to punish hardly instills confidenece for the stock investor.

Tax cuts for the wealthy? Where are the "new" jobs?

America's economy continually drops every year. While the government argues that white-collar jobs are on the rise, the blue-collar jobs are dropping. The average citizen in America isn't the engineers at the main office - The people who make up this country are those individuals looking for their next warehouse job.

The error some of you have is labeling the
middle-class tax cut a tax cut for the wealthy.

I have serious apprehensions that if Bush gets re-selected, there may not be a United States of America around for a 2008 Election.

:(

America's economy continually drops every year. While the government argues that white-collar jobs are on the rise, the blue-collar jobs are dropping. The average citizen in America isn't the engineers at the main office - The people who make up this country are those individuals looking for their next warehouse job.

Engineering jobs aren't safe anymore.

Take software engineering. Many rather talented people come out of India at the moment. A chunk of our staff is Hindu.

Or McCain-Guliani. Nice ticket.

They won't take McCain or Guiliani. Many of the stanch conservate repubs don't think they are conservative enough.

He gave a tax cut to the middle class...this hurts them how? I was pretty happy to get that check.

Social security should be done away with.

Outlaw outsourcing? That's oppression. And it is beneficial.


I hope that check is worth your childs life. THE COUNTRY IS 600,000,000,000 dollars in debt. That is sensible economics? With Clinton we had a surplus. no thanks to that asshole Reagan or Bush SR.

My friend was a server adminstrator and software developer for AOL

Engineering jobs aren't safe anymore.

Take software engineering. Many rather talented people come out of India at the moment. A chunk of our staff is Hindu.

A small majority of white collar jobs are going overseas too, I've been told
that it is mostly insurance related, but my opinion was about the United States view of the common American as working engineering jobs,..etc.

America's economy continually drops every year.

Utterly false.

The error some of you have is labeling the
middle-class tax cut a tax cut for the wealthy.


My family: 1,000

Microsoft: 36,000,000,000

Not for the rich. How about you go take your "right" and shoot yourself with it. Or send your little basterd children to fight capitalism's war.

I hope that check is worth your childs life. THE COUNTRY IS 600,000,000,000 dollars in debt. That is sensible economics? With Clinton we had a surplus. no thanks to that asshole Reagan or Bush SR.

America has been in debt since 1776 and it will always be in debt.

Bill Clinton instituted the Free Trade Agreement and that is why
corporations are leaving America.

I hope that check is worth your childs life. THE COUNTRY IS 600,000,000,000 dollars in debt. That is sensible economics? With Clinton we had a surplus. no thanks to that asshole Reagan or Bush SR.


Money is being borrowed at a rate that is about equal to inflation. It makes sense to borrow at such a low rate, because of the benefits of increased spending.

My family: 1,000

Microsoft: 36,000,000,000

Not for the rich. How about you go take your "right" and shoot yourself with it. Or send your little basterd children to fight capitalism's war.

Microsoft just gave away millions to their stockholders. Maybe you should have been one of them. Honestly, what do you think they do with that money? Stick it in a mattress? No, they give returns to shareholders and/or use it to expand business (ie, create more jobs).

You still haven't answered if that check it worth your childs life.

If your kid isn't in Iraq..... Shut the fuck up!

To quote the President in Austin Powers:
"Hahahah, that amount of money doesn't even exist in the world!"
Dumbass.


Just citigroup is worth more than a TRILLION dollars. And their isn't six hundered billion dollars in the world?

You still haven't answered if that check it worth your childs life.

If your kid isn't in Iraq..... Shut the fuck up!

What? What are you talking about? Are you saying 'tax refund' = 'Iraq war'?

America has been in debt since 1776 and it will always be in debt.

Bill Clinton instituted the Free Trade Agreement and that is why
corporations are leaving America.

What corporations have left america?

If Kerry gets in the country will already be fucked up becuase of Bush. We are in a bad position economically and millitarily, the repbulicans will have a majority in the senate. And Kerry will be blamed for what Bush has done.

Obvisouly times haven't become bad enough. Today a friend of mine lost his job, and now he's a liberal. More soildiers need to die, to prove how huge of a blunder the invasion was. The poverty rate needs to continue to rise, and unemployment. To prove that Bush and the repbulican party are satans minions.

Four more years!

Remember comrades, the worse the repbulican party looks the better things are for us.

You freakin' librals if it's cloudy outside you blame the president. All I have to say is the economy was already on the down, not because of Bush but because of the laws clinton set in. It allowed companies like enron to find loopholes to say they had more money then they did and crash the economey. 9-11 also contibuted because it didn't allow the economey to recover. The loss of jobs can't be blamed on him either cause that's just a result of the economey slump. About the war, that can't be pinned souly on the president because congress also had to approve it. You really need to educate yourself.

Your are the weakest link good bye!

Microsoft just gave away millions to their stockholders. Maybe you should have been one of them. Honestly, what do you think they do with that money? Stick it in a mattress? No, they give returns to shareholders and/or use it to expand business (ie, create more jobs).


My Dad owned a little bit of Microsoft stock. He recieved something like a few hundred dollars.

My dad: 300 dollars

Bill Gates: 30 billion dollars

Again this isn't distributing the wealth. You are keeping the poor poor and the making the rich richer

You freakin' librals if it's cloudy outside you blame the president. All I have to say is the economy was already on the down, not because of Bush but because of the laws clinton set in. It allowed companies like enron to find loopholes to say they had more money then they did and crash the economey. 9-11 also contibuted because it didn't allow the economey to recover. The loss of jobs can't be blamed on him either cause that's just a result of the economey slump. About the war, that can't be pinned souly on the president because congress also had to approve it. You really need to educate yourself.

Your are the weakest link good bye!

Clinton set-up laws to respect the enviorment. Look I've got a girl on the phone I can't talk.

I'll see you all in hell!

It is, there are millions of stock holders that have stock in microsoft and between the millions that have stock there this is about what he should get... DUH!

Nothing is inherently wrong with an income gap, no matter how big. Its possible that the poor could still afford to live decently and the rich could make two hundred times what the poor make.

Just citigroup is worth more than a TRILLION dollars. And their isn't six hundered billion dollars in the world?

No its not. Are you just making things up now? Oh, and they provide 250 thousand people with jobs. cnbc.com

You freakin' librals if it's cloudy outside you blame the president. All I have to say is the economy was already on the down, not because of Bush but because of the laws clinton set in. It allowed companies like enron to find loopholes to say they had more money then they did and crash the economey. 9-11 also contibuted because it didn't allow the economey to recover. The loss of jobs can't be blamed on him either cause that's just a result of the economey slump. About the war, that can't be pinned souly on the president because congress also had to approve it. You really need to educate yourself.

Your are the weakest link good bye!

Ahhmmm Republican congress.

Also why hasn't the shrub prosecuted his buddy Kenny Boy?

The President stands with outsourcing. It's a good thing! It is if you are the corp executive.

Congress went along sorta. A few evil liberal democrats made a half hearted attempt to speak out and were labeled unamerican.....

This President will never be heard to say "The Buck stops here!"

What corporations have left america?

Nearly a million US manufacturing jobs alone have moved down to Mexico,
and you want me to name all of the ones moving overseas too? Look it up!

My Dad owned a little bit of Microsoft stock. He recieved something like a few hundred dollars.

My dad: 300 dollars

Bill Gates: 30 billion dollars

Again this isn't distributing the wealth. You are keeping the poor poor and the making the rich richer

Your dad is worth 300 dollars? Gates' wealth in tied up in investments. If he cashed it out, its value would plummet.

Nearly a million US manufacturing jobs alone have moved down to Mexico,
and you want me to name all of the ones moving overseas too? Look it up!

Mexico is actually starting to outsource to Asia.

No its not. Are you just making things up now? Oh, and they provide 250 thousand people with jobs. cnbc.com

Ahh but all of them American?

For that matter, how long?

There is an effort to have tax returns done overseas. If that happens then why can't financial records go as well?

Nearly a million US manufacturing jobs alone have moved down to Mexico,
and you want me to name all of the ones moving overseas too? Look it up!

But the point is the fact the corporation itself hasn't moved, just the worker base.

You think the execs are going to live in Mexico, India or China(in a couple years?).

Ahh but all of the American?

For that matter, how long?

There is an effort to have tax returns done overseas. If that happens then why can't financial records go as well?

I really don't care - I don't believe in nationalism. But I think that they would lose clients if they began to outsource things like financial planners.

Outsourcing is a very small percent of the overall job loss, even if you use the number of 55,000 being gone per quarter.

I really don't care - I don't believe in nationalism. But I think that they would lose clients if they began to outsource things like financial planners.

Ahh. Let's talk again if you are ever out of work for a long period of time.

How would they loose clients? If the planner makes them money, it doesn't matter the accent.

Your dad is worth 300 dollars? Gates' wealth in tied up in investments. If he cashed it out, its value would plummet.


Asshole. It's how much money he got from owning shares of microsoft.

Oh by the way, I heard citigroup was worth a trillion dollars on FOX. So you've admitted their fucking liars, or me the stupid lefty is right?

I'd love to force every american citizen to watch all Michael Moore movies.





Nooo, now I'm a "accursed liberal, satans apprentice... blah blah blah".
Don't you see it? Both sides are provoking eachother to sink lower.


I'd vote for Kerry if I had US citizenship and right to vote there.

Ahh. Let's talk again if you are ever out of work for a long period of time.

How would they loose clients? If the planner makes them money, it doesn't matter the accent.

People generally like to have a closer relationship with their planners. We are free to invest with companies in other countries already.

Asshole. It's how much money he got from owning shares of microsoft.

Oh by the way, I heard citigroup was worth a trillion dollars on FOX. So you've admitted their fucking liars, or me the stupid lefty is right?

I know that...I was pointing out that Gates did not recieve 30 billion.

Citigroup's market cap is 233 billion.

I know that...I was pointing out that Gates did not recieve 30 billion.

Citigroup's book value is about 300 million, and its market cap is 233 billion.

So fox is a bunch of fucking liars, like I said. Ok let's just say Billy got a lot more than John Doe. And guess what alot of jobs were created..... in India! Isn't that nice?

So fox is a bunch of fucking liars, like I said. Ok let's just say Billy got a lot more than John Doe. And guess what alot of jobs were created..... in India! Isn't that nice?



Are you a racist or something? Are people in India not good enough to have jobs?

I can't comment on FoxNews...all I have is your claim that they said that, which isn't worth a whole lot.

Are you a racist or something? Are people in India not good enough to have jobs?

His point is that many of the jobs Bush took credit for creating were outsources in countries like India, where the wages are considerably lower than in America, thus saving the corporations considerable amounts of money which then goes to profit.

His point is that many of the jobs Bush took credit for creating were outsources in countries like India, where the wages are considerably lower than in America, thus saving the corporations considerable amounts of money which then goes to profit.


No, jobs created in other countries are not counted. Goes to profit, and lower prices.

Are you a racist or something? Are people in India not good enough to have jobs?


Ok come on now. Using that logic

Are you a racist or something? Aren't people in the US not good enought to have jobs?

My beef with India is the fact that many times we are talking to people who barely know what they are doing. We replaced knowlegable people with people that basically sit in a chair and read queue cards.

Telephone time before India could range from 15 to 45 minutes. Telephone time after India is 45 to 90 minutes.

I have people tied up on the tele and yet my support contracts continue to rise.

Go figure.....

Ok come on now. Using that logic

Are you a racist or something? Aren't people in the US not good enought to have jobs?

My beef with India is the fact that many times we are talking to people who barely know what they are doing. We replaced knowlegable people with people that basically sit in a chair and read queue cards.

Telephone time before India could range from 15 to 45 minutes. Telephone time after India is 45 to 90 minutes.

I have people tied up on the tele and yet my support contracts continue to rise.

Go figure.....

I'm not complaining about where the jobs are going. I was responding to his specific compliant that Indians are "stealing" American jobs.

Ha! I've spoken to American tech support people and have gotten some real idiots. "Is your computer plugged in?" I have yet to talk to an Indian tech support, but I can imagine how annoying it must be.

I'm not complaining about where the jobs are going. I was responding to his specific compliant that Indians are "stealing" American jobs.

Ha! I've spoken to American tech support people and have gotten some real idiots. "Is your computer plugged in?" I have yet to talk to an Indian tech support, but I can imagine how annoying it must be.

Ahh got it! We just converted to a T3 and off course somebody forgot to do their job!

Looking through scores of access lists make my eyes cross.

You are right to the Indians stealing jobs. I have been there and many are decent types.

However, all their gains will be lost once China comes on line. They have a manditory english thing going on right now. A co-worker just got back from there and reported it. He is from a province that I can't spell or pronounce ;) he was surprised to see it in his area......