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I've seen a few posters claiming a person's sexual orientation is a choice.

When I see a woman, a pretty woman, walking around I get a bonnar. Do I have any control over that? No, when she bends over I become stimulated, do I have any control over that? No.

The same goes for those S&M sickos, and the weird fetishists. Seeing a girl piss on someone turns some people on. Ugh, that's disgusting. Or being beaten, or beating their partner. Homosexuals, sado-masochists, bbw freaks, did not choose to like that particular sexual field.

Sexuality is an instinct, not a highlevel thought process. Unless of course you've had a brain transplanted into your dick.... I'm sure all of you "good" christians have. So you won't become a homo. God forbid!

I've seen a few posters claiming a person's sexual orientation is a choice.

When I see a woman, a pretty woman, walking around I get a bonnar. Do I have any control over that? No, when she bends over I become stimulated, do I have any control over that? No.

The same goes for those S&M sickos, and the weird fetishists. Seeing a girl piss on someone turns some people on. Ugh, that's disgusting. Or being beaten, or beating their partner. Homosexuals, sado-masochists, bbw freaks, did not choose to like that particular sexual field.

Sexuality is an instinct, not a highlevel thought process. Unless of course you've had a brain transplanted into your dick.... I'm sure all of you "good" christians have. So you won't become a homo. God forbid!
It's also not desirable for anyone to have a sexual preference that is being stigmatized and being attacked by a large number of people. People would not chose suffering under constant discrimination if they had the choice.

You hit it right on the head.

Hmm.. Giga's right, I never thought of it that way.. I have two homosexual friends, they say it was all born...

I've seen a few posters claiming a person's sexual orientation is a choice.

When I see a woman, a pretty woman, walking around I get a bonnar. Do I have any control over that? No, when she bends over I become stimulated, do I have any control over that? No.

The same goes for those S&M sickos, and the weird fetishists. Seeing a girl piss on someone turns some people on. Ugh, that's disgusting. Or being beaten, or beating their partner. Homosexuals, sado-masochists, bbw freaks, did not choose to like that particular sexual field.

Sexuality is an instinct, not a highlevel thought process. Unless of course you've had a brain transplanted into your dick.... I'm sure all of you "good" christians have. So you won't become a homo. God forbid!

yeah, why would any human being want to be reffered to like that. It cant be choice. Though as for "those sickos" its what turns em on, everyone has a little dirty urge (I sometimes really want to bite shoulders of certain women lol) and they would chose not to be ridiculed by people like you if they could. But they dont. So its got to be natural. Plus. um there are gay animals.

I could than wack out the "homosexual perverts" (which I believe is the condemnation that was written in the bible) arguement whereby these people are not acting against their nature and so arent perverts. And so arent sinning. Whereas "fake gays" (common during the "men are better" greek era and gay people who know but still continue to deny are actually worse. Infact its not a sin to be gay but to be gay and deny is? food for though.

You manage to be right and yet so closed minded/offensive at the same time. hmmm

S&M is sick. I have never had an urge to slap or abuse a woman in any way, shape or form. I don't care what they do in their bedrooms, but I still think it's disturbing.

Do you really want someone to shit on you? :eek:

Sex is like this :fluffle:

Not two people in black masks beating eachother up.

S&M is sick. I have never had an urge to slap or abuse a woman in any way, shape or form. I don't care what they do in their bedrooms, but I still think it's disturbing.

Do you really want someone to shit on you? :eek:

Sex is like this :fluffle:

Not two people in black masks beating eachother up.
Says you with your closed-minded attitude. Human sexuality is very diverse and not black & white, man & woman, penis & vagina. It's a difficult issue which mankind did not manage to clearly investigate in thousands of years of science.

Do you really want someone to shit on you?

No, but some people do.

Not two people in black masks beating eachother up.

Actually, it's more like one pretending to be an authority figure and the other pretending to be taking orders or something to that effect.

The same goes for those S&M sickos, and the weird fetishists. Seeing a girl piss on someone turns some people on. Ugh, that's disgusting. Or being beaten, or beating their partner. Homosexuals, sado-masochists, bbw freaks, did not choose to like that particular sexual field.

BBW freaks? Are you attacking me because I have a preference for women with big butts and wide hips? I don't see how homosexuality is wrong if it isn't chosen.

In my view, sexual deviance is mainly the result of coersive authority. In one way or another, it can influence the mind in negative ways.

No I'm not attacking you. You're not worth my breathe. Embracment of Anarchism is a sign a person has given up on life. I like a big ass ocassionally too. Or big tits. No I'm not attacking you. I'm targeting those freaks that like women over 300lbs.

No I'm not attacking you. You're not worth my breathe. Embracment of Anarchism is a sign a person has given up on life. I like a big ass ocassionally too. Or big tits. No I'm not attacking you. I'm targeting those freaks that like women over 300lbs.

I'm told that at one time, it was normal to prefer fat women because fatness indicated wealth or something.

S&M is sick. I have never had an urge to slap or abuse a woman in any way, shape or form. I don't care what they do in their bedrooms, but I still think it's disturbing.

Do you really want someone to shit on you? :eek:

Sex is like this :fluffle:

Not two people in black masks beating eachother up.


I wouldnt want to abuse a woman. But thats nothing to do with that lot.

But if she wanted me to hurt her. Actually enjoyed it, and so on, and I loved her, I would, as it wouldnt be abuse, it would be the opposite. Im not turned on by suffering, but the sound of an "excited" woman is a big turn on. I want her to be happy, so Id enjoy that, not the violence.

However Im not into S&M or anything. That doesnt appeal to me. But I would do things for someone special.

As for your view of sex, it should be like that in some ways. It should always be special and affectionate between two people. It might just be that some people like to be dominated or hurt to feel special and enjoy it.

In the end its still giving something and taking something.

S&M is sick. I have never had an urge to slap or abuse a woman in any way, shape or form.

Consensual S&M isn't abuse.

Is it really weird? What if those things are their perception of love, and love making? How is doing it one specific way wrong? If we have sex for pleasure, something that is not really usefull biologically, than who's to say what's right and what's wrong? Obviously homosexuals aren't trying to reproduce, because in that case, yes, they would be wrong. But since it is out of pleasure, or love, than what is wrong or right in an expression of love or acquisition of pleasure?

I know. But it still is sick.

THE POINT OF THE ARTICLE WAS PEOPLE DO NOT CHOOSE THEIR SEXUALITY.
THEY'RE JUST BORN THAT WAY. AND WE HAVE TO TOLERATE THEM. AND NOT BECOME BUSH LOVING NAZIS.

Im only double posting as Im sure there will be areply by the time im finished

But as for anarchism, you should read his links.

The anarchism presented is a beautiful utopian ideal. Its what heaven would be like if such a place existed,

Its not giving up on life, if she belives it can happen shes very optimistic. She really thinks she can get something out of it.

However IMHO people are not capable of such altruism in large numbers and it would just take one person with a board with a nail in to ruin it. (I disagree, but agree with Letila at the same time here... but anyway. )

But anyway, no, its a beautiful ideal.

But as for anarchism, you should read her links.

Psst: Letila is a chap.

The Point Of The Article Was People Do Not Choose Their Sexuality.
They're Just Born That Way. And We Have To Tolerate Them. And Not Become Bush Loving Nazis

That Was The Morale Kiddies.

That Was The Morale Kiddies.

Possibly it was the 'moral', but it certainly wasn't the 'morale'.

Correcting minor spelling mistakes isn't cute. And it never will be, especially coming from a forty-year old forum addict.

Correcting minor spelling mistakes isn't cute.

No, but sometimes your spelling does get in the way of understanding, and it wasn't so much a case of misspelling one word, but instead putting a different word in its place.

And it never will be, especially coming from a forty-year old forum addict.


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Glass houses?

Psst: Letila is a chap.

Exactly.

Psst: Letila is a chap.
edited.

whoops. Letila posts like woman. which is a compliment as many of the few women that post here are among the more intellegent and reasonable users.

Your point is well received, but flawed. There is a difference between a fetish and a sexual orientation. As far as modern psychology can tell something like S&M is a fetish. It develops because of specific events in a person's development. This for example is believed to develop in people who were spanked as children for masturbation; they came to associate sexuality with the hitting. Leather and rubber fetishes are similar; they come about from sexual situations during childhood or adolescence involving these materials.

As far as weight goes it is generally considered a part of a society's concept of beauty. The ideal beauty in the Renaissance would be considered fat by today's standards, but back then more weight was seen as a sign of health and money. Today we see fat as a sign of immobility and gluttony.

I would also like to say the fact that these things are considered fetishes does not somehow degrade them. This is simply a term used for classifying them. Also the fact that people are not born that way as with homosexuality does not mean it’s a choice. It’s a product of the environment outside of any single person’s control.

If anyone with a better background in psych than mine(not a whole lot) have would like to comment I’m all ears.

Your point is well received, but flawed. There is a difference between a fetish and a sexual orientation. As far as modern psychology can tell something like S&M is a fetish. It develops because of specific events in a person's development. This for example is believed to develop in people who were spanked as children for masturbation; they came to associate sexuality with the hitting. Leather and rubber fetishes are similar; they come about from sexual situations during childhood or adolescence involving these materials.

As far as weight goes it is generally considered a part of a society's concept of beauty. The ideal beauty in the Renaissance would be considered fat by today's standards, but back then more weight was seen as a sign of health and money. Today we see fat as a sign of immobility and gluttony.

I would also like to say the fact that these things are considered fetishes does not somehow degrade them. This is simply a term used for classifying them. Also the fact that people are not born that way as with homosexuality does not mean it’s a choice. It’s a product of the environment outside of any single person’s control.

If anyone with a better background in psych than mine(not a whole lot) have would like to comment I’m all ears.

And then there's foot fetishism, which is caused by being raised to be disgusted by genitals, so the erotic interest shifts to the legs and feet instead.

Its interesting you say that, I have heard as much as 1/3 of people (Males at least) have a foot fetish. Must be alot of people who think genitals are disgusting.

Its interesting you say that, I have heard as much as 1/3 of people (Males at least) have a foot fetish. Must be alot of people who think genitals are disgusting.

I'd be skeptical if I were you. I've heard statistics that say that 25% of men have pædophilic elements in them and that 50% have some form of S&M fantasies. Nonetheless, given the US's attitude toward sex, a disgust for genitals is probably very common.

I've noticed that amongst a few girls at my school. I can't really say becuase I'm the one with genitals not the person that's supposed to get turned on by a big hard rod.

We need some female input for christs sake!

I've noticed that amongst a few girls at my school. I can't really say becuase I'm the one with genitals not the person that's supposed to get turned on by a big hard rod.

We need some female input for christs sake!
female here, input at the ready...

genitals are funny looking, much like elbows or noses. however, genitals have the unique benefit of being the only body parts that dramatically change in shape, color, and scent when the person attached to them becomes aroused. penises look silly on their own, as do vaginas, but seeing the genitals of a partner when they are turned on is really amazing because you get a concrete signal of how excited they are...that's awesome, in my opinion, and it totally overrides the usual silliness of the parts themselves.

S&M is sick. I have never had an urge to slap or abuse a woman in any way, shape or form. I don't care what they do in their bedrooms, but I still think it's disturbing.

Do you really want someone to shit on you? :eek:

Sex is like this :fluffle:

Not two people in black masks beating eachother up.

I completely agree with you. And anyone that does want someone to urinate or crap on them is a sick and unstable human being.

Sex is like that to you, just because you think its gross (and I do too but thats besides the point) doesn't make it wrong nor does it make people who like that kind of thing mentally unstable. Its just a fetish, nothing more nothing less. Some people like vanilla, some people like chocolate......all over their chest :p

I'm not saying it's wrong. I was just bashing repbulicans and their asshole ways.(saying sexuality is a choice)

I've seen a few posters claiming a person's sexual orientation is a choice.

When I see a woman, a pretty woman, walking around I get a bonnar. Do I have any control over that? No, when she bends over I become stimulated, do I have any control over that? No.

The same goes for those S&M sickos, and the weird fetishists. Seeing a girl piss on someone turns some people on. Ugh, that's disgusting. Or being beaten, or beating their partner. Homosexuals, sado-masochists, bbw freaks, did not choose to like that particular sexual field.

Sexuality is an instinct, not a highlevel thought process. Unless of course you've had a brain transplanted into your dick.... I'm sure all of you "good" christians have. So you won't become a homo. God forbid!

Sexual fetishes aren't entirely instinctual.

Many can be traced back to childhood experiences, particularly events that occured during puberty. For example, many child molesters were molested as children themselves.

That's not to say sexual deviances have to arise from a bad experience. Me, I happen to find cats sexy. I'm not a furry in the least, nor do I want to screw a cat, but when a girl walks towards me on all fours like a cat. . . yikes. Not sure what event that arose from, but I'm sure it can be traced back to somewhere.

However, like all things dealing with human behavior, there is no definite.

EDIT: Oops, Hammolopolis already covered that. Cheers, mate.

S&M is sick. I have never had an urge to slap or abuse a woman in any way, shape or form. I don't care what they do in their bedrooms, but I still think it's disturbing.

Do you really want someone to shit on you? :eek:

Sex is like this :fluffle:

Not two people in black masks beating eachother up.

s and m doesn't involve shitting on other people, that's another fetish entirely.

and personally, i'm considering being a dominatrix (hell, it'll make more cash than working at the gorcery store so i'll be able to pay all my tuition and rent [dominatrixes do not have sex with clients, they just boss them around and get paid for it])

and some people get off on being the dominant partner or the submissive partner. there's a whole deal of human sexuality looking into the male desire for submission... not something every male has, but many do.

but this all isn't the same as sexual orientation.

I'm told that at one time, it was normal to prefer fat women because fatness indicated wealth or something.

Not just at one time, but throughout most time a heavy woman (please refrain from using the far less-friendly 'fat', mmmkay?) was preferred because heaviness inferred a healthy robustness, not wealth per se. Large child-bearing hips was a sure sign of inherent fertility (remember the Neolithic sculpures of the Venus of Willendorf, all breasts, belly and hips, with the face left a blankness on a blank head), and that was considered over all else.

Skinny women were far more likely to die in chidbirth, and were therefore considered less desirable. This is not ancient history, either. It's only in the last century, with the advent of the consumer society, that normal human instincts and drives have been tampered with to the extent that the image of undernourished women has come to denote sexiness and desirability.

it's more about the waist to hip ratio than anything. the women who are considered most attractive has a 0.7 to one waist to hip ratio, from marilyn monroe to aurdy hepburn to twiggy... (i don't know modern examples where this is true for sure, those were the examples used on a show i was watching)

of course, for men, it's more about symmetry. men who are more symmetrical have more sexual partners, become sexually active at an earlier age and give their partners more orgasms. (though i suspect that the last one is a result of the first two i.e. more experience)

Symetry is sexiness? Aren't all people symetrical, to an extent? Unless they're deformed.
I'm not baiting, I'm just wondering what your meaning was.

Symetry is sexiness? Aren't all people symetrical, to an extent? Unless they're deformed.
I'm not baiting, I'm just wondering what your meaning was.
not necessarily.

i mean, to a large degree, we are symmetrical, but say, one nostril is bigger than the other. or your nose is crooked to one side. one eye might be imperceptibly higher than the other, the cheek bones might not be perfectly symmetrical.

they've got ways of testing this, they take pics of someone and they line up facial features, like the pupils, the highest part of the eyebrow, the sides of the nostrils, the coners of the mouth, et c. and if the lines are straight accross rather than angled and if all features are located on exactly opposite sides of the central line, then the person has facial symmetry.

also: breasts aren't perfectly symmetrical. anc actually, during ovulation, when 1. women are horinest 2. women are most fertile, the breasts become more symmetrical. i.e. if one's a little smaller, it will appear larger i'm not sure how, maybe it takes on water or something?

oh, and also: with men, the more symmetrical men smelled better too. they did a test where they had men wear a specific shirt to bed for a couple nights in a row, then they bagged them and had women smell the shirts. the ones that the women preferred were worn by more symmetrical men.

a theory for why symmetry is attractive is that it's a sigh of health. for instance if you had a sinus infection as a child, your cheeks might not end up symmetric, this denotes that you could be prone to illness. similarly, blondes are said to be more attractive because they're usually fairer than brunettes, and lighter skin shows illness more than darker skin.

Okay. Ages back there was a bit about men having a certain % of paedophila in them, this could be because men generally find features assosciated with being young attractive, e.g. big eyes, small chin and a small nose, while females found signs of being more mature attractive, e.g. a square jaw, small eyes and thin lips showing maturity. (Cunningham, 1986). I have personally noticed that some guys tend to prefer women that have wide hips for childbirth and the youth side could only be to ensure that the children survive.
It's interesting how most of the arguments that arise support Freud's theories, which have since been discredited. It depends on what theory you look at in psychology as to whether behaviour, sexuality, etc. are predetermined or otherwise. Most theories argue that there is a certain amount of predetermined behavour, e.g. genes, but the rest is learnt, either through social pressures or parenting.
However, the whole argument can be summerised as "for each, their own", or just let them do what they want.

I'd be skeptical if I were you. I've heard statistics that say that 25% of men have pædophilic elements in them and that 50% have some form of S&M fantasies. Tough call on that, in all honesty. I guess it depends on how you'd define pedophilia. I'm willing to open myself up to the "public" on this one, because I catch the occasional wisecracks from my friends over it. I do not actively seek "young" girls, I'd like a woman with some maturity and intelligence.. I'm just attracted to small women. Thanks to the corporate policies that encourage deceit (read: cosmetics marketing), it's much harder to make a fair judgement on the given age, and I frequently find out "Dude, she's only 13".. or worse, on a couple occasions.

Thusly, every so often, one tosses out a crack about bail money because we'll pass a group of smaller women. I take it in stride, I'm not looking to abduct anyone, and I'm surely not seeking someone so young that they "need to finish their education first". I think it is, in some ways, why I enjoy much of the japanese things I have access to. J-Pop? It's like entrapment!, but handy web searching assures me a majority of what I'm giving the eye to would be considered 'fair game'.

Then again, I could just be a "dirty old bastard", depends on your point of view.

On the topic of S&M- there are people who consider biting to be in that category, as well as anything resembling slightly rougher sex than "normal". That'd put pretty much everyone I know into the S&M classification.


Nonetheless, given the US's attitude toward sex, a disgust for genitals is probably very common. They could be looked at as disgusting, but I doubt that many people see it that way. Of course, they all come out of the woodwork when something "phallic" is turned into "art". I dont care if you want to be a giant penis for halloween, just aim for something less post-coital.

Okay. Ages back there was a bit about men having a certain % of paedophila in them, this could be because men generally find features assosciated with being young attractive, e.g. big eyes, small chin and a small nose,

Just like in anime!

It's interesting how most of the arguments that arise support Freud's theories, which have since been discredited. It depends on what theory you look at in psychology as to whether behaviour, sexuality, etc. are predetermined or otherwise. Most theories argue that there is a certain amount of predetermined behavour, e.g. genes, but the rest is learnt, either through social pressures or parenting.

I believe in something called free will myself. Crazy, I know.

But what you do with your free will, the choices you make and the way your perceive things is influenced by these factors surely?

Some things are in your nature and the way you have been molded by life, the way you weigh up choices will be affected by these I think.

But I dont think this includes sexuality as a choice, thats more on of the factors which mold you.

also: breasts aren't perfectly symmetrical. anc actually, during ovulation, when 1. women are horinest 2. women are most fertile, the breasts become more symmetrical. i.e. if one's a little smaller, it will appear larger i'm not sure how, maybe it takes on water or something?

Hey, I've always noticed that, but never caught a pattern in it. That makes sense. I just thought I had mutant morphing mammary glands or summat.

Anyway, S&M and the like are fine with me so long as it's consensual--because, hey, if that's what you get off on, then that's your deal.

...is it wrong that I'm listening to Godspell as I say this?

Correcting minor spelling mistakes isn't cute. And it never will be, especially coming from a forty-year old forum addict.

Stop the personal attacks.

In my view, sexual deviance is mainly the result of coersive authority. In one way or another, it can influence the mind in negative ways.

My experiences here in Japan (a very coercive and authoritarian society) tell me you are absolutely correct. Japan has a terrible, terrible, terrible problem with the sexualization of children. (I highly reccomend Dr. Masao Miyamoto's book Straight Jacket Society, if you can find it. It is the experiences of a Japanese psychiatrist who trained and practiced in the US, then returned to work for the Ministry of Health and Welfare. It's mostly about Japanese bureaucracy, but he does touch on sexual factors.)

My experiences here in Japan (a very coercive and authoritarian society) tell me you are absolutely correct. Japan has a terrible, terrible, terrible problem with the sexualization of children. (I highly reccomend Dr. Masao Miyamoto's book Straight Jacket Society, if you can find it. It is the experiences of a Japanese psychiatrist who trained and practiced in the US, then returned to work for the Ministry of Health and Welfare. It's mostly about Japanese bureaucracy, but he does touch on sexual factors.)

Indeed, my theories have yet another piece of evidence for them. I have to ask why you live there, though?

Indeed, my theories have yet another piece of evidence for them. I have to ask why you live there, though?

Mainly because it's home for now. There are lost of good things about living here. That's just one of the bad ones. Also, as an outsider*, I am exempt from many of the rules, which is good and bad.

*Gaijin, the common form of the "gaikokujin" (literally "outside country person", meaning foreigner) litterally means "outside person".

Your point is well received, but flawed. There is a difference between a fetish and a sexual orientation. As far as modern psychology can tell something like S&M is a fetish. It develops because of specific events in a person's development. This for example is believed to develop in people who were spanked as children for masturbation; they came to associate sexuality with the hitting. Leather and rubber fetishes are similar; they come about from sexual situations during childhood or adolescence involving these materials.

As far as weight goes it is generally considered a part of a society's concept of beauty. The ideal beauty in the Renaissance would be considered fat by today's standards, but back then more weight was seen as a sign of health and money. Today we see fat as a sign of immobility and gluttony.

I would also like to say the fact that these things are considered fetishes does not somehow degrade them. This is simply a term used for classifying them. Also the fact that people are not born that way as with homosexuality does not mean it’s a choice. It’s a product of the environment outside of any single person’s control.

If anyone with a better background in psych than mine(not a whole lot) have would like to comment I’m all ears.

We're all products of our conditioning.

We're all products of our conditioning.
We're all products of our genes

Well not totally, but its been well established we're not a tabula rasa. There is a definite and huge role that genes play though. Just not so much in regards to fetishes.

-If you want my long, rambling probably wrong opinion and reasoning read -this, if not just skip to the bottom of the post and read my opinion

But seriously, sexuality is 1/3 genetic, 1/3 conscious and 1/3 subconscious. There is an element of choice involved, choice isn't the entire factor. But when two of the factors combine they so dominate the other factor that it might as well not exist. Now two factors can combine to set one factor to another way, but not always. For example, if you have someone who is genetic straight and subconscious straght the conscious level is dictated.

But the vast majority are subconscious straight (this is a factor of society and social norms, as well as parenting, I don't know of many parents who tell their kids to be gay, there are situations where subconscious gay can arise, but they typically involve pedophilia, and that is assuredly wrong) and even with genetic gay, choice is the deciding factor.

Often times we can be assured that we have two of the factors, for example I know I am conscious straight and subconscious straight, but who knows about genetic.

-for those who skipped the body, read this.

So choice does play a role, but it isn't everyting in choosing sexual orientation.

S&M is sick.

Why?


I have never had an urge to slap or abuse a woman in any way, shape or form.

S&M isn't abuse because it's consensual.

I don't care what they do in their bedrooms, but I still think it's disturbing.

Why should it disturb you as long as you're not in their bedroom?

Do you really want someone to shit on you? :eek:

Heck no. But what you just mentioned is not S&M that's Scat.

Sex is like this :fluffle:

Or like this http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/496284/spanka.gif


Not two people in black masks beating eachother up.

Who says you have to wear a mask? :confused:

Your point is well received, but flawed. There is a difference between a fetish and a sexual orientation. As far as modern psychology can tell something like S&M is a fetish. It develops because of specific events in a person's development. This for example is believed to develop in people who were spanked as children for masturbation; they came to associate sexuality with the hitting. Leather and rubber fetishes are similar; they come about from sexual situations during childhood or adolescence involving these materials.


Submission and domination is popular amongst people who have to make tough decisions all the time. They (submissive) enjoy the situation where someone else makes the decisions and they just obey. Let go of the control.
And for those who know nothing about s&m. You can have "sessions" without any spanking, hitting or any other physical activity. Submission and domination is more about mind than body.
And for me, I certainly can't recall any situation in my childhood where there would have been leather or rubber (it's possible though). But I like how those materials look and feel. It's just the same with everything you wear. velvet and satin feels better on your skin than wool.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/496284/spanka.gif

YAY! :D http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/496284/spanka.gif

But the vast majority are subconscious straight (this is a factor of society and social norms, as well as parenting, I don't know of many parents who tell their kids to be gay, there are situations where subconscious gay can arise, but they typically involve pedophilia, and that is assuredly wrong) and even with genetic gay, choice is the deciding factor.


Ahm what? There is no link between homosexuality and pedophillia.

Might surprise you that all gays find it as disgusting as straights. A pedophiliac tends to be a straight white male.


So choice does play a role, but it isn't everyting in choosing sexual orientation.

I am curious as to why you describe a subconsious desires.

oh, and also: with men, the more symmetrical men smelled better too. they did a test where they had men wear a specific shirt to bed for a couple nights in a row, then they bagged them and had women smell the shirts. the ones that the women preferred were worn by more symmetrical men.

similarly, blondes are said to be more attractive because they're usually fairer than brunettes, and lighter skin shows illness more than darker skin.
Smell is a weird thing. Women are attracted to different smells depending on what period of menstruation they are. (horrible language) We like masculine men when we're most fertile and more feminine men when it's not likely to get pregnant. We want (subconciously) to have kids with strong masculine men but we want to raise these kids and start a family with more secure and feminine men. You know over 10% of children born in marriages are not sons or daughters of the husband.

Also human is able to smell genes. (again subconcious of course) We like the smell of a person who has the most different genes than we do. Variety in genes increases immunity.
edit: eh, not exactly THE most different, we prefer people who are quite similar to us, but among them, the most different genes./edit

There is a difference between a fetish and a sexual orientation. As far as modern psychology can tell something like S&M is a fetish. It develops because of specific events in a person's development. This for example is believed to develop in people who were spanked as children for masturbation; they came to associate sexuality with the hitting. Leather and rubber fetishes are similar; they come about from sexual situations during childhood or adolescence involving these materials.

If anyone with a better background in psych than mine(not a whole lot) have would like to comment I’m all ears.

We've actually had two of our proff's arguing over this point. However the studies I've seen seem to indicate that more often a fetish is a result of a childhood/youth experence. However somethings, especially the more "violent" fetishes can be more the result of the biological / cultural sort.

i'm not turned on by dogs, but i fuck them anyway because what the hey, i might as well and you know, i orgasm regardless. I *am* turned on by watching women blow dogs.

Well not totally, but its been well established we're not a tabula rasa. There is a definite and huge role that genes play though. Just not so much in regards to fetishes.
You used the phrase tabula rasa! I love you now... :p

Yeah there's never enough Locke references around here :D

YAY! :D http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/496284/spanka.gif


You know me, I love that spanking smiley! :D