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why some oen reading this mgiht ask?

because, i say, i had to choose between going home and eating lunch or standing in line for an hour or more to vote for some one in a state i would be surprised if Bush won by less than at least 58% (and thats being generous to kerry)

why some oen reading this mgiht ask?

because, i say, i had to choose between going home and eating lunch or standing in line for an hour or more to vote for some one in a state i would be surprised if Bush won by less than at least 58% (and thats being generous to kerry)
Whatever, a lot of people believe that you shouldn't be voting anyways. Thanks for saving us all the trouble of looking for the ballot covered with pureed peas. :D

why some oen reading this mgiht ask?

because, i say, i had to choose between going home and eating lunch or standing in line for an hour or more to vote for some one in a state i would be surprised if Bush won by less than at least 58% (and thats being generous to kerry)

Oh no! A whole hour! And we all know that the only thing on your ballot was Bush vs. Kerry!

It's no wonder that people think the American people are lazy.

I waited in line for an hour to vote today. I would wait for 8 hours to vote against Kerry.

Oh no! A whole hour! And we all know that the only thing on your ballot was Bush vs. Kerry!

It's no wonder that people think the American people are lazy.
No shit. If you can't be bothered to fulfill even the basics of living in a free natin, we an't be bothered with your complaints about Bush. I don't want to hear a single complaint about the results, or about the President out of you for the next four years, Chess Squares.

Oh no! A whole hour! And we all know that the only thing on your ballot was Bush vs. Kerry!

It's no wonder that people think the American people are lazy.
i think you might want ot focus on the latter part of the statement, you know where i say "i would be surprised if bush won by any less than at least 58%" and thats generous.

i live in alabama. if you lived in alabama, and had the choice to wait in line for over an hour to vote or go home and eat lunch, what would you do?

we dont need to hold elections in alabama, just declare all republicans have automatic 9 electoral votes when starting

Oh no! A whole hour! And we all know that the only thing on your ballot was Bush vs. Kerry!

It's no wonder that people think the American people are lazy.

I know, that poor poor person. Who knows maybe they can go home and watch some news on the election for an hour. Or maybe even care about who gets president.

i think you might want ot focus on the latter part of the statement, you know where i say "i would be surprised if bush won by any less than at least 58%" and thats generous.

i live in alabama. if you lived in alabama, and had the choice to wait in line for over an hour to vote or go home and eat lunch, what would you do?

we dont need to hold elections in alabama, just declare all republicans have automatic 9 electoral votes when starting

Bush is almost guarranteed to win in GA too, but that didn't keep me away from the polls today.

Besides, was the *only* thing on the Alabama ballot the presidential election? i think not.

If you don't want to vote, that's fine - but you have no right to complain about anything your government does.

i think you might want ot focus on the latter part of the statement, you know where i say "i would be surprised if bush won by any less than at least 58%" and thats generous.

i live in alabama. if you lived in alabama, and had the choice to wait in line for over an hour to vote or go home and eat lunch, what would you do?

we dont need to hold elections in alabama, just declare all republicans have automatic 9 electoral votes when starting
What about the local elections?

i think you might want ot focus on the latter part of the statement, you know where i say "i would be surprised if bush won by any less than at least 58%" and thats generous.

i live in alabama. if you lived in alabama, and had the choice to wait in line for over an hour to vote or go home and eat lunch, what would you do?

we dont need to hold elections in alabama, just declare all republicans have automatic 9 electoral votes when starting

After all the bitching you have done......tsk tsk.

I expect you will remain quiet now since you did not make your voice heard in the ONE way we really do have.

Not one word about the President, be it Kerry or Bush, for the next four years, chess squares.

What about the local elections?
irrelevant, i didnt know who was running or what they were running for. why should i put forward and ignorant vote?

i wish alot of you dumbfucks would stop voting unless youa re informed, we would be alot better off

Not one word about the President, be it Kerry or Bush, for the next four years, chess squares.
i will say what i want about whom i want as my vote is irrelevant

i will say what i want about whom i want as my vote is irrelevant

Wow.....well, the polls are still open. Eat and get out there or your complaints will be irrelevant.

i will say what i want about whom i want as my vote is irrelevant

Well you need not complain since it's obviously not a big enough deal for you to vote.

why some oen reading this mgiht ask?

because, i say, i had to choose between going home and eating lunch or standing in line for an hour or more to vote for some one in a state i would be surprised if Bush won by less than at least 58% (and thats being generous to kerry)

I stood in line and waited and voted today. And I live in a state where Bush doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell of winning. In fact, I am not sure it is legal to be a republican in this state(NY and not upstate)

irrelevant, i didnt know who was running or what they were running for. why should i put forward and ignorant vote?

i wish alot of you dumbfucks would stop voting unless youa re informed, we would be alot better off

Or maybe, just maybe, you could have done what many of us did and gotten yourself informed.

Or maybe, just maybe, you could have done what many of us did and gotten yourself informed.

Nah, he is too busy bitching about Bush to actually become an informed voter.

Not one word about the President, be it Kerry or Bush, for the next four years, chess squares.

Not just president, but anything to do with any party running running for office in 'bama. That probably only leaves Nader(dunno if he was on the ballot) for Chess to talk about.

Or maybe, just maybe, you could have done what many of us did and gotten yourself informed.
and im sure your so informed, why dont you enlgihten us

and since you are also so informed about loca stuff, who is the represntative of your carved off section of the state

I have to say Chess Squares I'm a little bit shocked. You of all people who are so politically vocal on this forum picked lunch over voting? I live in one of the very few conservative area's of my city. I knew when we went to the polls that the conservatives would win the seat in my riding, I however would of spent 3 days in the rain waiting to vote if that's what it had taken! I'm really surprised at you.

irrelevant, i didnt know who was running or what they were running for. why should i put forward and ignorant vote?

So you think the entire government hinges only on the president and that is the only election you bothered to make yourself informed on? You're only digging yourself a deeper hole here...

why some oen reading this mgiht ask?

because, i say, i had to choose between going home and eating lunch or standing in line for an hour or more to vote for some one in a state i would be surprised if Bush won by less than at least 58% (and thats being generous to kerry)

I'd have done the same thing. I'll take my stomach after the ballot box any day. :D

Not just president, but anything to do with any party running running for office in 'bama. That probably only leaves Nader(dunno if he was on the ballot) for Chess to talk about.
i find it ironic i am being berated by ALL republicons. wow big surprise, the people who think bush is god and kerry is a traitor are attacking my choice to eat lunch when i could've waited in line in the rain for an hour to vote for some one in a state that will be overwhelmingly bush

So you think the entire government hinges only on the president and that is the only election you bothered to make yourself informed on? You're only digging yourself a deeper hole here...
my liberal vote is irrelevant, if you had been reading the local paper you would know that, i can refer you to that, go read the editorials

and last i voted was to reelect my government teacher to the house of representatives here

I waited for almost three hours to vote against Kerry, among other things. I had neither breakfast or dinner. And I didn't see the need to post a thread about it. Why do you see the need to unless it is to announce that you don't give a damn and that you will not be complaining for the next four years?

and im sure your so informed, why dont you enlgihten us

and since you are also so informed about loca stuff, who is the represntative of your carved off section of the state

Jan Schakowsky. I would know, because I voted against her.

I couldn't tell you about Alabama though. Maybe if I were voting there I'd be of more help.

i find it ironic i am being berated by ALL republicons. wow big surprise, the people who think bush is god and kerry is a traitor are attacking my choice to eat lunch when i could've waited in line in the rain for an hour to vote for some one in a state that will be overwhelmingly bush

Bzzzp, I'm sorry wanna try that one again.

i find it ironic i am being berated by ALL republicons. wow big surprise, the people who think bush is god and kerry is a traitor are attacking my choice to eat lunch when i could've waited in line in the rain for an hour to vote for some one in a state that will be overwhelmingly bush

Yeah, Republicans like Dempublicents and myself...

I waited for almost three hours to vote against Kerry, among other things. I had neither breakfast or dinner. And I didn't see the need to post a thread about it. Why do you see the need to unless it is to announce that you don't give a damn and that you will not be complaining for the next four years?
i find this hilarious


no one has said they waited in line to vote for some one, even you republikkkons who are part of the gung ho ignorant pro-republican despite anything else base only provide "vote against kerry" as a reason for voting. why arnt you voting "for bush" ? you people shouldnt be allowed at the polls

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Hell, I know Kerry has NY, and I don't like either him OR Bush. Nader was talking about choosing with my conscience, and I did.

Badnarik speaks what I believe, and though the vote won't make a difference in the electoral college system, at least I'll have a right to bitch.

I was a bit surprised by the voter turnout and got lucky by only having to wait about 20 minutes to vote (I vote in a very rural part of Ohio...not sure why I picked that area to vote instead of my Franklin County residence, since I had a hell of a time finding out even who my representative to U.S. Congress was down there.) My girlfriend's mom waited over an hour to vote in Columbus, though, so maybe it was a good idea for me to vote in a rural district. Of course, I would have gotten up to be at the polls at 6:30 AM, when the polls opened, if I had to in order to vote, because there is no way in hell this election was getting by me without my vote, especially when four years ago I was too young to vote for Al Gore by FOUR FVCKING DAYS. Do you have any idea how frustrating that is?

I have to say Chess Squares I'm a little bit shocked. You of all people who are so politically vocal on this forum picked lunch over voting? I live in one of the very few conservative area's of my city. I knew when we went to the polls that the conservatives would win the seat in my riding, I however would of spent 3 days in the rain waiting to vote if that's what it had taken! I'm really surprised at you.
i'm sorry. i'm not to gung-ho over doing something completely and utterly pointless especially when it involves an hour long wait or more, when im hungry

my liberal vote is irrelevant, if you had been reading the local paper you would know that, i can refer you to that, go read the editorials

If people like you would actually vote, your vote would cease to be irrelevant.

Dude, all I can say is watch out for P Diddy, cauase hes gonna kill you.

I was a bit surprised by the voter turnout and got lucky by only having to wait about 20 minutes to vote (I vote in a very rural part of Ohio...not sure why I picked that area to vote instead of my Franklin County residence, since I had a hell of a time finding out even who my representative to U.S. Congress was down there.) My girlfriend's mom waited over an hour to vote in Columbus, though, so maybe it was a good idea for me to vote in a rural district. Of course, I would have gotten up to be at the polls at 6:30 AM, when the polls opened, if I had to in order to vote, because there is no way in hell this election was getting by me without my vote, especially when four years ago I was too young to vote for Al Gore by FOUR FVCKING DAYS. Do you have any idea how frustrating that is?
my comp teacher was at the polls at 6:30, took him until almsot 8 to vote.
the traffic from waiting for the polls made me late for my test this morning at 8:30, there was no outlet to the highway

i'm sorry. i'm not to gung-ho over doing something completely and utterly pointless especially when it involves an hour long wait or more, when im hungry
Do you know how childish, gluttunous and lazy you sound every time you say that. What a neglect for such a terrific right. Sure it's your right not to vote, but maybe it shouldn't be your right to be a dumbass and gloat about it on a political based site.

If people like you would actually vote, your vote would cease to be irrelevant.
oh yes, becaouse-8% for kerry would really make a difference in a state where bush is guaranteed to win by( being generous) like i said 58% (maybe 34-36% democratic vote?)

I would agree that you cant complain. Obviously you can complain about the government, but you cant blame us for who we voted for.

Do you know how childish, gluttunous and lazy you sound every time you say that. What a neglect for such a terrific right. Sure it's your right not to vote, but maybe it shouldn't be your right to be a dumbass and gloat about it on a political based site.
thats the free speach thing everyone likes to talk about

Dude, all I can say is watch out for P Diddy, cauase hes gonna kill you.
south park > all

i find it ironic i am being berated by ALL republicons. wow big surprise, the people who think bush is god and kerry is a traitor are attacking my choice to eat lunch when i could've waited in line in the rain for an hour to vote for some one in a state that will be overwhelmingly bush

Im surprised you can find your ass let alone irony. All you do is spout garbage nonstop and then when you actually have an opportunity to make your opinion count for something, you waste it.

You make me sick. Constantly ranting about Republicans while you cannot even fulfill the smallest of your civic duties. It is because of people like you that we have a govt(both Republican and Democratic) that is so beholden to special interests(whether they be companies or unions or farmers or lawyers).

Im surprised you can find your ass let alone irony. All you do is spout garbage nonstop and then when you actually have an opportunity to make your opinion count for something, you waste it.

You make me sick. Constantly ranting about Republicans while you cannot even fulfill the smallest of your civic duties. It is because of people like you that we have a govt(both Republican and Democratic) that is so beholden to special interests(whether they be companies or unions or farmers or lawyers).
this is not australia, we are not required to vote, maybe good maybe bad since its obvious its the uninformed dotls that like to vote. and though im horrible with math i do know that 42<58

No shit. If you can't be bothered to fulfill even the basics of living in a free natin, we an't be bothered with your complaints about Bush. I don't want to hear a single complaint about the results, or about the President out of you for the next four years, Chess Squares.

I think all people have a choice whether or not to vote. Coercing someone into voting would not be democratic. People must make this decision by their own free will. He has just as much a right not to vote as you do to vote. So stop giving us all your MTV pushed tripe. If he doesen't vote PDiddy isn't going to fly out of the bushes and kill him. I would much rather have only informed voters voting than MTV/ Celebrity voice over informed people voting on a whim.

i wish alot of you dumbfucks would stop voting unless youa re informed, we would be alot better off

I wish you dumbfuck would get informed.

In local elections you really do have the chance to decide major issues. It's not like the vote for local offices are decided by tens of thousands of votes. Honestly, you can actually change something rather than bitching about it. So shut the fuck up and figure out what's going on. Then act on it.

I stood in line and waited and voted today. And I live in a state where Bush doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell of winning. In fact, I am not sure it is legal to be a republican in this state(NY and not upstate)

I'm In NY too, Long Island, where Kerry is definetly going to win, but I went on my way home from work and voted. The only way that our votes will ever truly count is if we can show the government that there is no longer a need for the electoral college and to do that, we need to get out and vote. If everyone took the same view as the person who originally started this did, what would we have here? Whoever has a bigger family and circle of friends would win, just like the prom queen all over again....I only had to wait 5 minutes, if that to sign in and vote, but I would have gladly waited an hour or more. It's my right and I'm going to use it. You should have too.

Hummmm...eat, vote, eat, vote...what about all those people that don't get to do either?

I'm a stupid lazy American that would rather microwave a lean cuisine than educate myself and take part in republic democracy.

Okay spanky, here it goes. I voted for both Republicans and Democrats in this election, and have no doubt that I will be disappointed by both. But I did my dead-level best to educate myself on the issues and, if need be, decide from the lesser of two, three, or four evils. You want to know what else was on the local balllot?

I don't know about Alabama, but here in Arkansas (and don't even bother insulting the state I live in, I'm sure most people in here would prefer listening to an educated possible backwater hick than an apathetic lazy idgit) we voted on ammending our state constitution to ban term limits for state representatives and ban homosexual marraige. How I voted on either issue is irrelevent. Importance is I voted.

We also voted on our US Senate Seats between Blanche Lincoln, a democrat who voted against the Marraige Ammendment, for medicare reform, against partial birth abortion ban, and unfortunately has stated outright that she will vote however she feels she should, regardless of her consituent's opinions or beliefs, and Jim Holt, who I know is a Republican, supports a ban on gay marraiges, and is pro-life.

State supreme court (in Arkansas, you are not allowed to declare a party if you run for supreme court justice) Jim Gunter vs. Collins Kilgore. This makes it a bit harder to decide, since they have not previously had public office, you have to find out their ruling records and personal history. Gunter was a District Attorney before becoming a circuit judge, and Kilgore was in private practice before becoming a circuit judge. Kilgore is the judge who actually declared the state of Arkansas' education system to be unconstitutionalized biased against our wealtheir school systems. He is very pro-education reform, but does not have the backing of many school teachers. Gunter has yet to hear any case with such a wide-spread affect.

But like you care about the local Arkansas elections. What matters is, who is selected for the local races today, will show up on the national ballot tomorrow. And you just gave it up because you were too lazy to get it taken care of. BTW: You could have voted early. You could have voted any time in the past weeks, but didn't, because it wasn't important to you. In the time you've taken to read this post, and the others, or to create your own whining paragraphs, you could have informed yourself and made an educated decision. Instead, you let me do it for you. Thanks!

I waited in line for an hour to vote today. I would wait for 8 hours to vote against Kerry.

...and I would sell my soul to get to vote against Bush again.

As for you Chess Squares, poor form. Not only are there many elected officials running, some of which are almostly certainly people you want, but state constitution amendments proposals are also stuck on the ballot; not something you want to miss out on.

Your excuse is pathetic especially in light of your claimed strong partisanship. True fans cheer when their team sucks; true supporters vote even when they don't think it does any good.

(Or they go to voteswap.org and find some Nader supporter in Ohio as I did)

EDIT: As an aside, by refusing to vote you have lost your right to complain, bitch, and moan about your elected officials or the government in general. You don't help the country, you have no place to complain if the country doesn't help you.

no one has said they waited in line to vote for some one, even you republikkkons who are part of the gung ho ignorant pro-republican despite anything else base only provide "vote against kerry" as a reason for voting. why arnt you voting "for bush" ? you people shouldnt be allowed at the polls
To be fair, many people are only voting for Kerry because he'll beat Bush.

CS, I'm really surprised at you. You're one of the most partisan people here. I expected you to be at the polls at 6am!

I don't want to hear a single complaint about the results, or about the President out of you for the next four years, Chess Squares.
I totally agree with you! But as a foreigner can I complain about whoever your president is? Pwetty pweez? If I could vote in the US election, I would!!!

unfortunately has stated outright that she will vote however she feels she should, regardless of her consituent's opinions or beliefs
Kind of like President Bush, then.

To be fair, many people are only voting for Kerry because he'll beat Bush.

CS, I'm really surprised at you. You're one of the most partisan people here. I expected you to be at the polls at 6am!
i didnt have that kind of time, i had to be at a test at 8:30, which iwas 8 fucking minutes late for, thank you shitty council for replacing stop signs with the WORST stop light set up EVER

Kind of like President Bush, then.

I'm not going to comment on that, and I'd appreciate it if no one else would, too. This hasn't been, and I don't want it to turn into another Bush vs Kerry ranting place. This should be about the importance of voting vs. ignorant apathy (or apathetic ignorance, whichever you prefer).

why some oen reading this mgiht ask?

because, i say, i had to choose between going home and eating lunch or standing in line for an hour or more to vote for some one in a state i would be surprised if Bush won by less than at least 58% (and thats being generous to kerry)

Ah. And your reason for posting that you declined voting because it was too inconvenient is...?

i like how the people saying they would sell their soul to vote for bush again are telling me "poor form" for not voting in a give all electoral votes state which is a guaranteed bush state in which if all people that dont vote voted democrat, the republicans would win the election


there is pointless then there is pointless

Ah. And your reason for posting that you declined voting because it was too inconvenient is...?
it is a pointles exercise in this state that i woulve taken, but i wasnt going to stand out side for an hour and try to get rained on and skip lunch for another hour or so so i can play pretend that my vote matters

you people can berate me after they declare kerry lost alabama by one vote

I voted for Kerry.

Stood in line for 30 minutes too...

In other stuff, I voted mostly democrat, except for US Senate. Despite all the stupid-ass "Protect Marriage" signs he's putting up, I voted for Republican Jim Holt because the focus of Holt and incumbent Blanche Lincoln's campaign have been veteran affairs for the most part...and Holt IS a veteran...

and as far as issues go, I voted to extended the term for state senators (or it may have been state representatives) to 12 years and I didn't vote on Gay Marriage. Left it blank. It's silly so I'm therefore boycotting it.

i find this hilarious


no one has said they waited in line to vote for some one, even you republikkkons who are part of the gung ho ignorant pro-republican despite anything else base only provide "vote against kerry" as a reason for voting. why arnt you voting "for bush" ? you people shouldnt be allowed at the polls
I personally don't care who you vote for. Vote for the right man, or vote for the democrap Kerry. Either way, vote!

Vote or Dieeeeee!!!!!

I think all people have a choice whether or not to vote. Coercing someone into voting would not be democratic. People must make this decision by their own free will. He has just as much a right not to vote as you do to vote. So stop giving us all your MTV pushed tripe. If he doesen't vote PDiddy isn't going to fly out of the bushes and kill him. I would much rather have only informed voters voting than MTV/ Celebrity voice over informed people voting on a whim.

No one is required to vote. However, chess is constantly talking politics(specifically about how evil Bush is) so, it is very hypocritical of him when he doesnt vote.

The decision to not vote validates the poll. Unfortunately, the Presidential Election does not offer America the choice to veto the major candidates, and this withholds the quality of being logically valid.

If i were you I would have gone back later....

I would have waited hours to vote.

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Hell, I know Kerry has NY, and I don't like either him OR Bush. Nader was talking about choosing with my conscience, and I did.

Badnarik speaks what I believe, and though the vote won't make a difference in the electoral college system, at least I'll have a right to bitch.

Not true. I voted Badnarik also. My Bush vote doesnt count in NY, but maybe I can help him along his way to federally matching funds.

good job

No one is required to vote. However, chess is constantly talking politics(specifically about how evil Bush is) so, it is very hypocritical of him when he doesnt vote.
go somewhere else republicon nazi

i dont think you people understand the hopelessness of 36% vs 58%
that is too hopeless for me to stand around hungry for an hour hoping i dont get rained on to pretend my [pro-Democrat] vote counts

Fine. Don't vote. You lazy socialist bum.

Don't you DARE complain about whoever wins, because YOU didn't even bother to do anything.

Fine. Don't vote. You lazy socialist bum.

Don't you DARE complain about whoever wins, because YOU didn't even bother to do anything.
you people are either bad with math or are just ignoring me
if every non voter in alabama of legal voting age voted democrat, bush would still comfortably win


also, come on, i know im the person people love to hate but some one come help em with my english, i got the fucking hard cinderlla version nothing like the others that i cant do shit with

I'm In NY too, Long Island, where Kerry is definetly going to win, but I went on my way home from work and voted. The only way that our votes will ever truly count is if we can show the government that there is no longer a need for the electoral college and to do that, we need to get out and vote. If everyone took the same view as the person who originally started this did, what would we have here? Whoever has a bigger family and circle of friends would win, just like the prom queen all over again....I only had to wait 5 minutes, if that to sign in and vote, but I would have gladly waited an hour or more. It's my right and I'm going to use it. You should have too.

Hummmm...eat, vote, eat, vote...what about all those people that don't get to do either?

Im registered in LI. I voted Badnarik for president though. Hopefully that party will get enough votes to get federally matching funds. All other votes for the Grand Old Party though.

I like the electoral college, Im just kinda pissed that I live in a state that gets the short end of it.

you people are either bad with math or are just ignoring me
if every non voter in alabama of legal voting age voted democrat, bush would still comfortably win


It doesn't matter. It's the principle of the thing. I would vote for Bush if I lived in California.

I have to agree with most the rest of the people here. CS, don't complain about Bush, Kerry, Badnarik, or whoever is president for hte next four years. You have no right.

Someone said, "The people dont lose their rights, they give them up." or something similar. If you are aginst voting then you might as well be against democracy.

im complaining anyway just to spite you asses. like i would put a W sucks sticker on my car out of spite if i had the money to repair all the damage people would do

*paces the floor*

Oh, I was going to vote...honest; but I lost my voters card and everyone left to vote without me so I am stuck here unless I want to walk.

I have to agree with most the rest of the people here. CS, don't complain about Bush, Kerry, Badnarik, or whoever is president for hte next four years. You have no right.
Actually, he very much DOES have the right. That's the beautiful thing about living in the United States. Just because one may opt to occasionally not exercise their rights, they still have them.

Did I vote last time around? No. Why? Because I hated Bush Sr, and I couldn't give my vote to Gore - I wont willingly support people who try to encourage and spread censorship.

I am a realist. Only one of two parties was going to win that election - Dem or Republican, and I hated both. Giving my vote to a lesser party would not have changed that, and I still have the right to be vocally displeased with the crap that Jr. has done.

Unlike last time, I am voting this one. I'm voting Kerry. Not because I think he's great, but because he's the only guy with a chance of beating Bush, and I do *not* want "another 4 years" of the same shit. I could be wrong. We may well end up with someone WORSE.. but I'm willing to take a chance on a better pres, rather than back the surety of failure with the current one.

[] For the record- I actually have no clue who Badnarik is.. I see that and think 'Boris? Is he still trying to kill Moose and Squirrel?' []

Hey, all most of us are saying is, you have lost the right to bitch. You choose not to exercise free speech in the single most important way, and we should not have to listen to you do so in petty ways. Go ahead, don't vote. But if Bush wins, or Kerry wins and you don't like him, or Badnarik wins because the machines were cross-wired, you have lost any credability to complain. For the next four years, any time you argue politics, someone will pop in and say that you have no place to do so because you didn't even freaking vote. Obviously though you can withstand this because you seem so proud to flaunt your non-voting.

Actually, he very much DOES have the right. That's the beautiful thing about living in the United States. Just because one may opt to occasionally not exercise their rights, they still have them.
ITs common rule. If you complain about something and then are given the oppertunity to change it, but dont. Well, dont complain

Hey, all most of us are saying is, you have lost the right to bitch. You choose not to exercise free speech in the single most important way, and we should not have to listen to you do so in petty ways. Go ahead, don't vote. But if Bush wins, or Kerry wins and you don't like him, or Badnarik wins because the machines were cross-wired, you have lost any credability to complain. For the next four years, any time you argue politics, someone will pop in and say that you have no place to do so because you didn't even freaking vote. Obviously though you can withstand this because you seem so proud to flaunt your non-voting.
freedom of speech is a freedom of speech, thats why the freedom to vote is guaranteed in a different place.

why some oen reading this mgiht ask?

because, i say, i had to choose between going home and eating lunch or standing in line for an hour or more to vote for some one in a state i would be surprised if Bush won by less than at least 58% (and thats being generous to kerry)


Make sure not to complain about who won or lost the election in the next four years, then. Okay?


You don't vote, you don't bitch. Its only fair.

go somewhere else republicon nazi

You have no credibility whatsoever.

1) you call EVERY Republican a Nazi. The word has lost all meaning when it comes from you.


2) by your actions today, it is fairly clear that you are just a snot nosed worthless ass. Your political views are pointless, because even you refuse to stand up for them even though the only cost was an hour of your time.


i dont think you people understand the hopelessness of 36% vs 58%
that is too hopeless for me to stand around hungry for an hour hoping i dont get rained on to pretend my [pro-Democrat] vote counts

I dont think you understand that voting isnt entirely about a specific election or outcome. It is about fulfilling your civic responsibilities. It is about keeping a check on your elected representatives. It is also about affecting the behaviour of politicians between this election and the next.

If more people voted, it would cause significant impact even if their anditate lost. Turnout forces the politician who did get elected to pay attention to the voices of his opponents supporters. But this only happens when people vote.

ITs common rule. If you complain about something and then are given the oppertunity to change it, but dont. Well, dont complain You (or others, not specifically you) may choose to bitch about his bitching, but he has the right. "Common Rule"? No. Common misbelief is more appropriate.

But then, in that same category are things like "Don't date a friend's Ex", and "Put the seat down when you're finished". They were crafted by one type of person to impose a 'moral superiority' over another.

How hard is it, if you dont like him, to simply skip past his posts? It's like changing a channel. If you see his name, you're not forced to read the post.

i like how the people saying they would sell their soul to vote for bush again are telling me "poor form" for not voting in a give all electoral votes state which is a guaranteed bush state in which if all people that dont vote voted democrat, the republicans would win the election


there is pointless then there is pointless


Voter turnout is typically close to 50%. I looked up some numbers: 51.3% in 2000 and as low as 36.4% is 1996. If a significant fraction of nonvoters voted for Kerry anywhere, he would win. If all the nonvoters voted for Kerry he would get far more than twice the votes Bush gets, even in Alabama.

I suspect that most of the people who don't vote, don't vote for pretty similar reasons to yours. You may be right that your vote won't matter, but if everyone who thought like you went and voted, it could turn out you're wrong. Certainly if all the democrats actually went out and voted, Kerry would win in a landslide. If people like you go out and vote, it can at least start to change things. Maybe Kerry will lose in Alabama this year, but if it's closer than people expected maybe more people like you will vote in 2008 since it doesn't seem as hopeless. Your vote can still have an effect.
Besides that, local elections are very important, and if you're politically outspoken, but can't be bothered to stay informed on local issues, you should be ashamed.

Make sure not to complain about who won or lost the election in the next four years, then. Okay?


You don't vote, you don't bitch. Its only fair.
i thought you whiny bitches were all for freedom of speech? nice to know im living in nazi germany

Okay, so why don't we assume you've beautifullyeloqeuntly, and with vast amounts of logic stated beyond a doubt why you should not have to risk malnutrition in order to submit a moot ballot, you still have not addressed 2 issues:

1) Why didn't you just vote early, sometime in the past 2 weeks when you had 30 minutes free?

2) Why didn't you inform yourself and vote on the local elections, ( you know, the ones that determine who and what are in tomorrow's national elections).

I would think that, given that the United States has a policy of non-mandatory voting, Chess Squares, like everyone else in the US, logically still has every right to complain about politics for the next 4 years, even if he doesn't vote.

Just because he wasn't an element in the decision as to who becomes president doesn't mean he should lose the right to comment on the process, or the result.

The real issue here, I think, is that the voting process needs to be streamlined so that people don't need to wait 1 - 8 hours to vote. This would encourage more people to vote, regardless about how they feel the chances of their nominated representative being elected are.

Ok. Unless there is an actual point to the precedings here, other than a chance to flame bait and flame, I am going to close this thread down.

Why is it, the day after Thanksgiving, nobody is "surprised" or, in many cases deterred, from shopping even though the lines are so long and the stores are so crowded? Because you know, it's a once-a-year thing and in many cases the best bargains are there that day.

Voting for president is a once-every-4-years thing. How can you be surprised to find that it's crowded? However, unlike the annual shopping craze, voting for president is something that can be done for literally WEEKS ahead of time to avoid the rush and craze.

Why is it, the day after Thanksgiving, nobody is "surprised" or, in many cases deterred, from shopping even though the lines are so long and the stores are so crowded? Because you know, it's a once-a-year thing and in many cases the best bargains are there that day.

Voting for president is a once-every-4-years thing. How can you be surprised to find that it's crowded? However, unlike the annual shopping craze, voting for president is something that can be done for literally WEEKS ahead of time to avoid the rush and craze.
thanksgiving rush:
wait in lines for an hour to buy things at lowered prices because of after thanksgiving sales

why im not voting:
wait in line for an hour to vote in an election where if everyone not voting voted democrat would still guarantee bush's reception of the alabama electoral votes

The Thanksgiving analogy was given in hopes of informing the non-American particpants of the conversation that we don't have just one day to vote, most people just choose to wait until that last day to vote, and thus cause the huge lines and long waits.

My statement for you CS has been and still is, why didn't you take the time earlier to vote when it would not have taken you an hour or so risked your health from malnutrition, and/or informed yourself on the local elections that make as much or more of a difference in the long run?

The Thanksgiving analogy was given in hopes of informing the non-American particpants of the conversation that we don't have just one day to vote, most people just choose to wait until that last day to vote, and thus cause the huge lines and long waits.

My statement for you CS has been and still is, why didn't you take the time earlier to vote when it would not have taken you an hour or so risked your health from malnutrition, and/or informed yourself on the local elections that make as much or more of a difference in the long run?
fine fine

*paces the floor*

Oh, I was going to vote...honest; but I lost my voters card and everyone left to vote without me so I am stuck here unless I want to walk.


Ahh...I made it just in the nick of time to the polls! One mintute before they closed! :D

Ahh...I made it just in the nick of time to the polls! One mintute before they closed! :D

Congratulations, Parratoga! :-) What state are you in?

Time to walk to polls - 3 minutes
Check in - 30 seconds
Voting - 15 seconds

And guess what? I didn't vote on the issues I wasn't sure of.

Badnarik's getting at least one vote.

why some oen reading this mgiht ask?

because, i say, i had to choose between going home and eating lunch or standing in line for an hour or more to vote for some one in a state i would be surprised if Bush won by less than at least 58% (and thats being generous to kerry)


If you don't vote, then you have no right to complain about anything involving politics.

irrelevant, i didnt know who was running or what they were running for. why should i put forward and ignorant vote?

i wish alot of you dumbfucks would stop voting unless youa re informed, we would be alot better off
Sooooooo, after all the whining and moaning about Bush, you couldn't be bothered to inform yourself about anything else, and you couldn't spend one pwecious widdle hour actually doing something about it?

Figures.

You have forfeited any right to run your yap until 2008, and you have no right to complain about Bush. For that matter, just go on Ignore.

Time to walk to polls - 3 minutes
Check in - 30 seconds
Voting - 15 seconds

And guess what? I didn't vote on the issues I wasn't sure of.

Badnarik's getting at least one vote.


there are at least 3 Badnarik voters in this thread alone

I think I have a solution to your little problem...
1) Make a sandwich, and/or whatever else you want for lunch.
2) Go to the polling place.
3) Eat lunch while waiting in line.
4) Vote.
5) Yay! You voted, and yet still got lunch!

Keep this in mind next election, yes?

Sooooooo, after all the whining and moaning about Bush, you couldn't be bothered to inform yourself about anything else, and you couldn't spend one pwecious widdle hour actually doing something about it?

Figures.

You have forfeited any right to run your yap until 2008, and you have no right to complain about Bush. For that matter, just go on Ignore.

I agree totally.

why some oen reading this mgiht ask?

because, i say, i had to choose between going home and eating lunch or standing in line for an hour or more to vote for some one in a state i would be surprised if Bush won by less than at least 58% (and thats being generous to kerry)Then you have no right to complain about anything in this election. Congratulations.

The reason Alabama goes 58-30 whatever is because lazy whiners like you all stay home and say that you don't matter. Well, you're right, you don't. Not individually. But the millions of lazy people like you could collectively change the election anyway you wanted. But you don't bother. You'd rather whine and complain at your computer for a thousand hours then spend one hour of the 9000 in year in line. Well, nuts to you. You're a disgrace to American democracy, and clearly have no conviction or backbone. I'm done with you.

Sooooooo, after all the whining and moaning about Bush, you couldn't be bothered to inform yourself about anything else, and you couldn't spend one pwecious widdle hour actually doing something about it?

Figures.

You have forfeited any right to run your yap until 2008, and you have no right to complain about Bush. For that matter, just go on Ignore.
Had to come back to my own post. What I read coming from Chess is just too rich.

WTF is wrong with you?

Many men (and a few women too,) have given up their lives throughout the last 228 years so that you can have a voice in the future of your country. And THIS is how you thank them???!!! I guess you never considered the possibility of going to the polling station after you were done at work? They were open until 7pm your time, you know.

Your callous disregard for the future of this country..."I didn't vote 'cause the line was too long, and I didn't want to miss my lunch, and...wah-wah-wah"...it's PATHETIC! An astronaut in the Space Station wasn't able (obviously) to go vote personally...what did he do? He took advantage of other ways to vote! What about those young men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan? Gee, they voted absent...imagine that.

Bottom line, Chess...you have shown your TRUE colors. You had the chance to put up or shut up. After all your yapping about the election, you didn't bother voting...you didn't "put up"...do yourself and what little credibility you had left a big BIG favor, and SHUT UP for the next 4 years

Had to come back to my own post. What I read coming from Chess is just too rich.

WTF is wrong with you?

Many men (and a few women too,) have given up their lives throughout the last 228 years so that you can have a voice in the future of your country. And THIS is how you thank them???!!! I guess you never considered the possibility of going to the polling station after you were done at work? They were open until 7pm your time, you know.

Your callous disregard for the future of this country..."I didn't vote 'cause the line was too long, and I didn't want to miss my lunch, and...wah-wah-wah"...it's PATHETIC! An astronaut in the Space Station wasn't able (obviously) to go vote personally...what did he do? He took advantage of other ways to vote! What about those young men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan? Gee, they voted absent...imagine that.


Bottom line, Chess...you have shown your TRUE colors. You had the chance to put up or shut up. After all your yapping about the election, you didn't bother voting...you didn't "put up"...do yourself and what little credibility you had left a big BIG favor, and SHUT UP for the next 4 years


I believe a :werd: is in order.

Congratulations, Parratoga! :-) What state are you in?


Florida.

Im surprised this thread hasnt been stickied yet

i thought you whiny bitches were all for freedom of speech? nice to know im living in nazi germany
you and people like you could have had an impact on the outcome, but you didn't vote. And because you (and people like you) didn't put all that time in to vote there is now a president who you don't like and will doubtlessly complain about for the next four years. Even though you could have done something about it on the second. And it annoys those of us who did vote.

How did this come back up? This was long gone with all the rest of Chess Squares' genius threads.

How did this come back up? This was long gone with all the rest of Chess Squares' genius threads.

What I want to know is if Chess Squares' precinct was serving food and drinks at the polling place. I know mine was; granted they wanted money for it, but that's to be expected. It was reasonably priced, though I did not partake. If Chess Squares' precinct served food and drinks, then Chess Squares is an even bigger screwoff than we thought. And I live in the middle of nowhere, for crying out loud. My wait was relatively short...15-20 minutes. I would wager that the place Chess Squares could have gone to served food. Therefore the lunch excuse is out the window. Never mind your vote not counting; it's all about those "I Voted" stickers anyway. It's your way of telling passers-by..."I voted today...what have you ever done?" Or at least that's how I look at it.

I live in Alaska, which is perhaps the most solidly Republican state. Probably moreso than Texas. Alaska is so much guaranteed to vote Republican, that only one presidential candidate has ever graced us with his presence. Richard Nixon. When he was running against JFK.

But I voted nonetheless. Our senate race was decided by less than 8,000 votes, out of a population of 620,000. Some 50 local elections were decided by less than ten votes, and a couple were decided by one or two.

Never let anyone tell you your vote doesn't matter. They only reason it doesn't matter is if you don't cast one.