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We DO NOT have faith in God without having full faith in ourselves first. It is the same as if we do not trust ourselves then you can not trust someone else. That is why having laws that control one another actually contridict God. To formalize everything to where man must abide by so many different things, is controlling man. That means we have no faith in ourselves. That means we have no chance at having full faith in God. I was guided to the name faithfull-freedom before I knew what its intention was. When I see a law that needs to be formalized now I know what I should do. Dismiss it. There is no need for mans laws when we have full faith in God. God controls the laws of nature. We are a part of that nature. But when we meddle in Gods intentions, we open a giant can of worms, that we have no possibility to finding an answer to. God has given the answer to us each time he resets our earth by floods and such. Ice ages. yet we still have this mornic idea that we should start a governemtn that controls one another instead of just having a self governing state that God looks after for us. There would be no death destruction and any other acts if we truly would act as our true selves without greed of control for someone else.

i agree.. it's human nature...

but how do you explain fundementalists? or fundementalist terrorists? fundementalist governments?

i know what i'd say about those questions but i want to hear an aswer from someone els :)

relighous fundamentalism is just about power.

no-one will listen if you say "do this 'cos I say"

lots of people* will listen if you say " do this 'cos god says"
(ie. it's written in a scripture/holy text {call it what you will})

well, americans seem to listen to this sory of 'logic'
and so do lots of traditional musilms

so then you get your power
ehem... Bush... ehem

[quote] i agree.. it's human nature...

but how do you explain fundementalists? or fundementalist terrorists? fundementalist governments?

i know what i'd say about those questions but i want to hear an aswer from someone els [/qoute]

We are all fundementalists and terrorists to one another when we try to control one another. We are trying to act as we see God as being if we were God. That is the problem. God is not about that at all. God is about guidance to the 'truth' that we have been lying to ourselves for all this time. When we lie to ourselves we start lying to others. It doesn't have to continue when we have full faith. But in order to have full faith in God we must have full faith in ourselves. I have full faith that we will have it for each one of us and God. Pride is the faction that has to be rid of in order to understand humility. Pride is something that has eroded us for to long. Winners are the ones who lose all. Winning is actually losing. Losing gracefully is winning. We have gotten to the point that we are willing to thrash one another over a f'ing football team. Come on who gives a flying fuck. Remember when you were a child and it never mattered what the score was to the game, all that mattered was that you were happy and enjoying yourself. That is what life is like under Gods grace. Beautiful and free to love accept and understand everything on Gods green earth. Which in return becomes ours as well. FOolish pride makes it so we are never satisfied with what we are born with. Gods grace. We seek something new we think that we need but we truly only disgrace what we were given. And this is all that we truly need and that I want to have in my life.

God doesn't govern countries, laws do. If your saying a religion should have no formalized rules thats one thing. To suggest a government should have no laws defeats the point of even having a ruling body to begin with.

God doesn't govern countries, laws do. If your saying a religion should have no formalized rules thats one thing. To suggest a government should have no laws defeats the point of even having a ruling body to begin with.

I agree, our governments become self defeating. Go back to what we had in the conception to this country and we will see a true step in the RIGHT direction. But of course give man time and they can fuck up anything. Well I pray it stops and goes back to being real inplace of all this fake crap. Formalities are fake laws and rules. Gods law is the only real law. Natural law. Gods law. When you are self governing as an individual, you need no steenking laws. You know what is right and wrong because you hear Gods guidance loud and clear. The only thing we have created is an ignorance to Gods guidance. When I ask a question I get an immidiate answer from God. Please try it and you will never want to go back I promise. Be real, be true. This has nothing to do with religoin that has formalities because God has no formalities and no labels and no, NO politics. Only peace love acceptance and UNDERSTANDING it all. ANd thats the TRUTH

All human ventures become distorted eventually, but that’s not the point. You say that laws should not exist because codifying any kind of morality weakens the purity of following it. I'm saying what you're suggesting can not apply to governmental entities, since there very existence implies some sort of regulatory power. If you think that religion should have no formal laws, my power to you. No laws at all, however, would be pretty naïve.

The 3 words that I have bolded out in my message prior is what we get when we have mans laws before understanding God. God is true, man has been false.

Now Gods Law is all well and good, but without a governing body to make those the laws of a nation, how do you plan on enforcing them. Just because you see the truth of the matter doesnt mean the psycho living in the basement of the wendy's on fourth street is going to agree.
On to self governing. Your absolutely right, we do need to govern ourselves, and the last time i checked, thats why we have a democracy. We may not have a direct say, but our leaders are representational of a majority (well, in most cases, sometimes that electoral college gets outta hand. not that i would in any way be implying bush has no place in office.) So i guess what im trying to say is just because you see the truths in your ideas, not everyone holds those same ideas and sometimes you gotta slap some heads to keep people in line

BTW when you are self governing as an individual you are also doing everything for yourself. Any group of people living together will eventually develop a system of governance, its just human nature.

And what if I hear god's call to do something that directly conflicts with what someone else believes god has called them to do? Which one of us is right? This is why we have laws.

Now Gods Law is all well and good, but without a governing body to make those the laws of a nation, how do you plan on enforcing them. Just because you see the truth of the matter doesnt mean the psycho living in the basement of the wendy's on fourth street is going to agree.
On to self governing. Your absolutely right, we do need to govern ourselves, and the last time i checked, thats why we have a democracy. We may not have a direct say, but our leaders are representational of a majority (well, in most cases, sometimes that electoral college gets outta hand. not that i would in any way be implying bush has no place in office.) So i guess what im trying to say is just because you see the truths in your ideas, not everyone holds those same ideas and sometimes you gotta slap some heads to keep people in line

This is true if and only if those governing individuals are found to truly have the grace of understanding that God wants them to have. Then they are capable of leading with the truth. We do not have a democracy we have something closer to a self governing entity a REPUBLIC. The individual is the state. the 50 states act as 50 differnt individuals. The elctoral college is actually a large reason why we do not have a bully on the block. The smaller states are treated equally to what they are. an individual state. Just because some dude comes over to you that is 300 lbs more than you, does not mean he has anymore of a say than you. Now sure if he chooses to not listen to God and become overbearing then in the end he will pay the price. I am certain of this. No you have no conflict of interest when you both are hearing what God wants. That means you both should have what you want. God has no formalities and no labels and no politics. So you throw away the politics inside a government. It becomes truly for the people and by the people. We the people. Not just one side says this and the other says that. You truly can have your cake and eat it to. With Gods guidance there is no conflict. There is only understanding and acceptance that everyone has a right to do as they please as long as it remains peaceful and unharmful to another.

We would have no murders and no rapes no child molestations and no theft. No harm to anyone out there. God guides us all to a clear and open mind of understanding and acceptance of what is right. People would have no reason to try to rebel against athority. Because they are their own authority. God creates a happy mind and stable mind for folks that are not stable at this time. God already forgave all of us for everyone of our sins of the past. But there is a reason why this is all happening to me and all of us. Because we still have not forgave each other for those sins of the past.

I think you're far too dependant on a non-tangible entity. I dont see god enforcing much nowadays. I dont recall the last time a murderer or rapist was smote by the hand of god. I'm pretty sure its the justice departments that keep those people in line. Now if you wanna talk about the humanitarian aspects of "god's law" then i think your 100% correct, but not due to the simple statement that its gods law. these things are just basic morals and if you cant be good just for the sake of being good, then i pity you, but at least you use god as a crutch to be good.

Go back to what we had in the conception to this country and we will see a true step in the RIGHT direction.

I agree 100%. Our Deist/Mason founding fathers had the right idea: God didn't give us freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to assemble and protest, and didn't give us the freedom to petition God for change; hence, we'll give it to people ourselves.

Correct God's mistakes. The perfect role for man. I like it.

And if machines were 100% effcient we would have solved the world's energy crisis already, but they aren't.

Look at it this way your ideal world is all well and good but its just that, ideal. Nothing like your suggesting could actually function in the real world. You use a simplistic model that doesn't take into account realistic factors. A government without politics? Please explain how this is possible I would actually like to hear your theories on such an entity.

And yes there can be a conflict of intrests if we both hear god's word. I hear god tell me to kill Bob, and Bob he hears god tell him to kill me, what should be the resolution?

I think you're far too dependant on a non-tangible entity. I dont see god enforcing much nowadays. I dont recall the last time a murderer or rapist was smote by the hand of god. I'm pretty sure its the justice departments that keep those people in line. Now if you wanna talk about the humanitarian aspects of "god's law" then i think your 100% correct, but not due to the simple statement that its gods law. these things are just basic morals and if you cant be good just for the sake of being good, then i pity you, but at least you use god as a crutch to be good.

Precisly, because we choose to think we should do it for God. A murderer and rapist is taken care of trust in me and our father. I have seen it.
God gives everyone of us a crutch to become Good, you do not see it because you have not tried it. You must be willing. We all have sinned including you. I am not saying you use God for anything. We all have the ability to do right just by listening to our instncts, these instincts are clouded and fogged by our former formalities that we have placed upon another. When we let go of these formalities God takes over to ensure a protection that no man could ever present.

Precisly, because we choose to think we should do it for God. A murderer and rapist is taken care of trust in me and our father. I have seen it.
God gives everyone of us a crutch to become Good, you do not see it because you have not tried it. You must be willing. We all have sinned including you. I am not saying you use God for anything. We all have the ability to do right just by listening to our instncts, these instincts are clouded and fogged by our former formalities that we have placed upon another. When we let go of these formalities God takes over to ensure a protection that no man could ever present.
We're not talking about punishment in the after life, we're talking about consequences that will actually better this world. You know the one we live in. Simply letting murderers and rapists run free isn't paying homage to the lord, its fucking stupid. :eek:

I agree 100%. Our Deist/Mason founding fathers had the right idea: God didn't give us freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to assemble and protest, and didn't give us the freedom to petition God for change; hence, we'll give it to people ourselves.

Correct God's mistakes. The perfect role for man. I like it.

These rights are not needed because we already have them through the gift of God. We have the right to to do anything that does not harm another because of the grace of God not ourselves. God guided the men that started this country. Even these men got lost in thier own pride and started losing and ignoring the guidance of our father. The people of the bible have seemed to do the exact same thing. God speaks of no formalities and no labels and stay away from politics and seek peace. Now men will try to draw conclusions from those 4 things and thats where we get fucked up. We try to be selfish and think , oh it must mean this as well lol. It does not dude I assure you God speaks in a litteral sense. God is precise and always accurate and always right. He makes no mistakes. It is us that choose to push the blame off onto God because man has to much pride to suck up thier own misgivings.

We're not talking about punishment in the after life, we're talking about consequences that will actually better this world. You know the one we live in. Simply letting murderers and rapists run free isn't paying homage to the lord, its fucking stupid.

No man, I am saying that through forgiveness you find peace. Jesus forgave the men that were about to do him wrong prior to thier deeds even. But the men did not forgive each other for what happened. The cycle continues because we choose not to accept the guidance of truth from our father. If we could truly let go of our own mistakes inclduing those that were so drastically horrible God ensures no more p[ain and suffering. Through God we find perfection. Perfection is peace. Perfection is no labels. Perfection is no formalities. Perfection is no POLITICS. We must choose to accept and understand this in order to love it. Practice can make perfection and we have practiced for quite some time. Remember how the simplest things are the hardest to figure out. How the most basic things are the most difficult to achieve. Happiness. True Love. Pure Peace. It seems so simple doesn't it. Well it hasn't been has it. But it truly is if we trust in ourselves before we try to trust in the lord.

These rights are not needed because we already have them through the gift of God. We have the right to to do anything that does not harm another because of the grace of God not ourselves. God guided the men that started this country. Even these men got lost in thier own pride and started losing and ignoring the guidance of our father. The people of the bible have seemed to do the exact same thing. God speaks of no formalities and no labels and stay away from politics and seek peace. Now men will try to draw conclusions from those 4 things and thats where we get fucked up. We try to be selfish and think , oh it must mean this as well lol. It does not dude I assure you God speaks in a litteral sense. God is precise and always accurate and always right. He makes no mistakes. It is us that choose to push the blame off onto God because man has to much pride to suck up thier own misgivings.

You know ... of all the Christian ministers I've ever met, I must say that you are my favorite. No kidding, no sarcasm. You're my favorite.

No man, I am saying that through forgiveness you find peace. Jesus forgave the men that were about to do him wrong prior to thier deeds even. But the men did not forgive each other for what happened. The cycle continues because we choose not to accept the guidance of truth from our father. If we could truly let go of our own mistakes inclduing those that were so drastically horrible God ensures no more p[ain and suffering. Through God we find perfection. Perfection is peace. Perfection is no labels. Perfection is no formalities. Perfection is no POLITICS. We must choose to accept and understand this in order to love it. Practice can make perfection and we have practiced for quite some time.
Isn't the bible all about the inherrent imperfection of man? If we were capable of something like that I think we would be doing it, seeing as how we've had 5000+ years of practice. You can go and forgive everyone and assume that will make the bad things go away, I'd rather stop the bad things from happening myself.
And what about Atheists? Do I have no rights because I don't believe God talks to me and tells me what to do?

Why does the Bible instruct Man to have laws then? Man should enforce the law of God, as there will always, always be some who don't listen. A lawless society would be open to takeover.

You know ... of all the Christian ministers I've ever met, I must say that you are my favorite. No kidding, no sarcasm. You're my favorite.

I am nno minister. I am not any label I am just another dude that wants to get home. Some of our fellow man stands in thier own way not realizing that they are standing in the way of our father as well. Lets tell them to get out of the way or get moving towards the light. because there only slowing us down to acheiving this paridise that we truly can have here on earth.

the only way to have paradise on earth is to realize that we control our destiny. dont leave your fate up to something that may or may not exist, go out and make a difference. help people, be a good person, dont just sit around and tell people about some diety

Isn't the bible all about the inherrent imperfection of man? If we were capable of something like that I think we would be doing it, seeing as how we've had 5000+ years of practice. You can go and forgive everyone and assume that will make the bad things go away, I'd rather stop the bad things from happening myself.
And what about Atheists? Do I have no rights because I don't believe God talks to me and tells me what to do?

The bible is about something that is not God from what my understanding is. there atre truths in it but there are also falsehoods. We create the bad things that happen by not having faith that God will take care of them. That is why we have not solved the problem of having rapists and murderes because we think we have an answer. God has the only answert to this. When we think we can do a better job when we are imperfect then we alweays wiull have an imperfect answer. God has the real answer. God takes care of this probelm that we created. Heck the athiests are probably closer to god than many of the followers out there. Because they are following other people when the athiest seems to be following only a clear mind that inhibits a clear path for god to guide through. Athiests choose to not have any laberls and formalities this seems closer to the truth of god than any religion I have seen. The next words is something I have been keeping for my self out of respect of others out there but If I am going to speak the word of God about "no formalities" and "no labels" and "stay away from politcs" and seek "peace" then I must say this as well. "Fuck the bible" Now this is something myself has been trying to understand for some time. But thats what faith is about, you must have faith first before we can ever understand. This is why it seems backwards for many religions. They want you to have faith in God prior to finding out if they have faith in themselves. The truth is, is that you must have faith in yourself before having faith in anything else. Otherweise it is fake faith that can never be understood fully.

the only way to have paradise on earth is to realize that we control our destiny. dont leave your fate up to something that may or may not exist, go out and make a difference. help people, be a good person, dont just sit around and tell people about some diety

I agree with you, but I know God exists. Not as a faith or believe. I know for I have seen with my own eyes. The second part of doing something and make a difference is something yes I am on my way to helping people with everything I do in life. I try to give more than I recieve it really is not hard at all. I just hope and trust that maybe one person out there will seee the truth in what was said. I know I do and it has truly changed my entire life and world around me. I live with beautiful people all around me. I see living people. I see so much greatness in everyone of us.