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Believe it or not but it appears that there is vote fraud going on in the polling places of Philadelphia.

Before voting even began in Philadelphia -- poll watchers found nearly 2000 votes already planted on machines scattered throughout the city... One incident occurred at the SALVATION ARMY, 2601 N. 11th St., Philadelphia, Pa: Ward 37, division 8... pollwatchers uncovered 4 machines with planted votes; one with over 200 and one with nearly 500... A second location, 1901 W. Girard Ave., Berean Institute, Philadelphia, Pa, had 300+ votes already on 2 machines at start of day... INCIDENT: 292 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION: 7/7: ADDRESS: 122 W. Erie Ave., Roberto Clemente School, Philadelphia, Pa.; INCIDENT: 456 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION: 12/3; ADDRESS: 5657 Chew Ave., storefront, Philadelphia, Pa... A gun was purposely made visible to scare poll watchers at Ward 30, division 11, at 905 S. 20th St., Grand Court. Police were called and surrounded the location... Developing...

I know it's hard to imagine this going on in Philly (being a huge democrat city), but it is likely that there is some serious stuff going down.

It's Drudge, so take it for what it's worth, and notice that the report made no mention of party affiliation of the votes that were allegedly already planted. It's remarkably scanty on details. If it's true, it's bothersome, no matter which side benefits from it, but it's hardly anything conclusive yet.

It's Drudge, so take it for what it's worth, and notice that the report made no mention of party affiliation of the votes that were allegedly already planted. It's remarkably scanty on details. If it's true, it's bothersome, no matter which side benefits from it, but it's hardly anything conclusive yet.

Why do you always doubt Drudge? His sources are the same as many news outlets, and he has a good record of being correct. Much better then say CBS, NY Times, ABC, et al.

Honestly though, it is Philly, so take a guess at who is most likely at fault for this.

It's Drudge, so take it for what it's worth, and notice that the report made no mention of party affiliation of the votes that were allegedly already planted. It's remarkably scanty on details. If it's true, it's bothersome, no matter which side benefits from it, but it's hardly anything conclusive yet.

Its on fox too. Talking about impounding those machines

Why do you always doubt Drudge? His sources are the same as many news outlets, and he has a good record of being correct. Much better then say CBS, NY Times, ABC, et al.

Honestly though, it is Philly, so take a guess at who is most likely at fault for this.
His record of being correct is shit--sorry to disappoint you. He's wrong more often than right because he has no journalistic ethics to hold him back from posting something. He's a step below a gossip columnist.

I hope they catch the people doing this and throw them in Jail for a very long time..

Election observers turned away from Florida Republican office

http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/article/1076154411442

Hopefully it is just misunderstanding.

I hope they catch the people doing this and throw them in Jail for a very long time..
Assuming there's fraud, I concur.

Is there any surprise? They had one polling place set up in a bar. Philly is a dump and nothing coming out of there surprises me anymore.

Assuming there's fraud, I concur.

Agreed!

Election observers turned away from Florida Republican office

http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/article/1076154411442

Hopefully it is just misunderstanding.

They don't have any more rights then ordinary visitors. Why should they be able to access certain places? Most US citizens do not want them here in the first place.

His record of being correct is shit--sorry to disappoint you. He's wrong more often than right because he has no journalistic ethics to hold him back from posting something. He's a step below a gossip columnist.

His record is still better then CBS, ABC, NBC, and the NY Times.

They don't have any more rights then ordinary visitors. Why should they be able to access certain places? Most US citizens do not want them here in the first place.
Why not? They don't want to know if the elections are fair? The guy said he has never faced this kind of problems before and he has been an observer in over 30 elections in Europe and Africa.

Why not? They don't want to know if the elections are fair? The guy said he has never faced this kind of problems before and he has been an observer in over 30 elections in Europe and Africa.

We are not Europe or Africa. It's only because of certain cry-babies that they are here in the first place.

Fox news: For one of the machines in Philly, it isnt fraud. The poll watchers looked at the wrong counter.

Most US citizens do not want them here in the first place.

Of course you'd know this having asked them all.

We are not Europe or Africa. It's only because of certain cry-babies that they are here in the first place.

Thats true, we had Jesse "who's my daddy" Jackson and Corrine "it was the Jews" Brown here making all kinds of accusations recently and calling for international observers to make sure that black voters were not denied their "right" to vote.

They actually claimed that in 2000 Republicans turned firehoses and dogs on black voters in Florida and they have vowed to not allow that to happen in 2004!! :rolleyes:

Fxing elections, its up there with all the great Irsh traditions.

We are not Europe or Africa. It's only because of certain cry-babies that they are here in the first place.

Not quite true. Election observation is a standard OSCE practice. All OSCE participating states, including the U.S., agreed in 1990 to a standing explicit invitation to observe the course of each state’s national election proceedings. USA is a OSCE member, and somebody there (may have been the cry-babies too, i wouldn't know) invited the observers in. A signing OSCE members should technically follow the organisation's rules and let them do what they came there for.

Of course I know better than to expect countries to honour international agreements.

Following an invitation transmitted by Ambassador Stephan M. Minikes, the Head of the U.S. Delegation to the OSCE, and in accordance with its mandate, the OSCE's Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR) is deploying an Election Observation Mission of a targeted nature for the 2 November 2004 elections in the United States of America.
http://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/field_activities/?election=2004us

Most US citizens do not want them here in the first place.Most? really? care to share your sources...

Most? really? care to share your sources...

Most. Of course. I saw it on the news not too long ago, but I have no actual proof. Considering that 38% of people consider themselves conservative as opposed to 17% who consider themselves liberal should prove my point.

BTW This is the "internets", just believe me.

His record of being correct is shit--sorry to disappoint you. He's wrong more often than right because he has no journalistic ethics to hold him back from posting something. He's a step below a gossip columnist.
Man, you are an angry young man. Drudge's sources are the web sites of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, his local affiliates and others. He blows holes wide open in Democrat lies, that is why your so mad at him. Calm down. Sorry to disapoint you.

Most. Of course. I saw it on the news not too long ago, but I have no actual proof. Considering that 38% of people consider themselves conservative as opposed to 17% who consider themselves liberal should prove my point.

BTW This is the "internets", just believe me.

And why would conservatives have any problem with international oversight? Liberal or conservative, I think that most Americans in general would want to make sure everything was on the up and up. Moreover, isn't a core tenet of Republicanism that the marketplace of ideas and information remain as open as possible, so that information (and therefore the number of ideas) is maximized? Or are you flip-flopping?

Most. Of course. I saw it on the news not too long ago, but I have no actual proof. Considering that 38% of people consider themselves conservative as opposed to 17% who consider themselves liberal should prove my point.So...what you are saying is that All (or close to all) Republicans do not want the observers?

Man, you are an angry young man. Drudge's sources are the web sites of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, his local affiliates and others. He blows holes wide open in Democrat lies, that is why your so mad at him. Calm down. Sorry to disapoint you.

I'll let Drudge go if you let me use Capital Hill Blue and The Onion

And why would conservatives have any problem with international oversight? Liberal or conservative, I think that most Americans in general would want to make sure everything was on the up and up. Moreover, isn't a core tenet of Republicanism that the marketplace of ideas and information remain as open as possible, so that information (and therefore the number of ideas) is maximized? Or are you flip-flopping?


Sorry little buddy, no flip-flopping here.

It's just that we as Americans have the best system for the amount of people here. We don't need international observers here. This is not a banana republic.

Question: Do you want those wonderful people with blue helmets stationed at every polling place?

Honestly though, it is Philly, so take a guess at who is most likely at fault for this.
Democrats? Would you also accept it if someone assumed Republicans were the ones doing the dirt in say, rural Florida?

They don't have any more rights then ordinary visitors. Why should they be able to access certain places? Most US citizens do not want them here in the first place.
They should have access because they're election monitors. And given how widespread fears are about election fraud, most Americans probably are happy with their presence.

It's just that we as Americans have the best system for the amount of people here. We don't need international observers here. This is not a banana republic.
How can you be so sure that the election will run so smoothly?

Democrats? Would you also accept it if someone assumed Republicans were the ones doing the dirt in say, rural Florida?


They should have access because they're election monitors. And given how widespread fears are about election fraud, most Americans probably are happy with their presence.

Yes if this crap was going on in rural areas which favor Bush, I would call them on it. Philadelphia is probably one of the strongest democrat cities in the nation. Heck, try to do construction without using union labor there. You'll find out what I mean.

The fears are not as widespread as you would believe.

How can you be so sure that the election will run so smoothly?

Because my sources in the Freemason's say so.

All knowing (http://etpartners.ucdavis.edu/about/personalsites/gies/evil%20eye.jpg)

All seeing (http://www.geocities.com/binarygraffiti/masonic/images/rarch.gif)

Question: Do you want those wonderful people with blue helmets stationed at every polling place?

Please tell us you were just joking. You can't seriously be waiting for soldiers (or whatever) with blue helmets coming over? You can't possibly be that uninformed. Yeah, you were joking. Phew!

Because my sources in the Freemason's say so.

My contact in the Illuminati has assured me that everything will go well and the expected results will be forthcoming.

Sorry little buddy, no flip-flopping here.

It's just that we as Americans have the best system for the amount of people here. We don't need international observers here. This is not a banana republic.

Question: Do you want those wonderful people with blue helmets stationed at every polling place?International observers are the best thing since pre-sliced bread. Doesn't matter what country you live in, what type of democracy it is; international observers go a long way to preventing and minimizing election fraud. And believe me, election fraud takes place everywhere.

Like in, for example, Philadelphia. And Iraq. And Norway.

International observers are the best thing since pre-sliced bread. Doesn't matter what country you live in, what type of democracy it is; international observers go a long way to preventing and minimizing election fraud. And believe me, election fraud takes place everywhere.

Like in, for example, Philadelphia. And Iraq. And Norway.

You do have a point there though little buddy. Lets just have observers in heavily democrat areas.

Please tell us you were just joking. You can't seriously be waiting for soldiers (or whatever) with blue helmets coming over? You can't possibly be that uninformed. Yeah, you were joking. Phew!

Of course I was joking. I just wanted to see if they thought even that would be a good idea.

You do have a point there though little buddy. Lets just have observers in heavily democrat areas.Do you know, I cannot think of a single better way of getting Kerry into office than doing that. So go for it!

Do you know, I cannot think of a single better way of getting Kerry into office than doing that. So go for it!

Yes then all members of the vast right wing conspiracy can say they stole the election, and some can even make academy award winning films on the subject....

Now my whole story is shot to threads. News has just been reported that these poll workers "misread" the machines. Nothing to see here, move along. Just a simple isolated incident.

Sorry for the error in posting this thread.

Drudge full of shit:

I just heard Santorum on John Gambling's radio show. He says the Republicans will be going to court in order to impound the voting machines in Philadelphia that supposedly had votes in them before the polls opened. I assume the Republicans have resigned themselves to losing this election legally so they are going to try and steal it illegally - again. There you have it folks. Unless Kerry wins in a landslide tonight we are going to be in court for months.

Update:

Now the idiots on the radio have just updated the retarted Drudge report about the voting machines. It seems the machines have counters in the back of them that don't count the number of votes but how many times the voting machines have been used in an election. So there is no voter fraud in Philadelphia. What was that George Bush said about people who take action before they know the facts? Please people, vote out of office any and all republicans today.

Update (Kos): Josh has a good post on GOP agitprop as Republicans try to lay the foundation for legal challenges if this thing stays close.
To start with, for instance, don't rely on right-wing agit-prop sites for your news about alleged instances of 'voter fraud'. Wait till you hear real information from real news outlets.
And how many times does Drudge have to be wrong before you people stop taking what he says seriously

Drudge full of shit:


And how many times does Drudge have to be wrong before you people stop taking what he says seriously


How many times does he have to be correct before you people take him seriously?

He did break the Monica splooge stain story.

How many times does he have to be correct before you people take him seriously?

He did break the Monica splooge stain story.
How many times has he been wrong? How many times has CBS been wrong?


Care to take a guess at which number is bigger?

Philadelphia is one of the worst-run cities in the USA, now that Rendell is gone. Despite him being a Democrat, he was a good mayor. I don't doubt that Philly with Street as our mayor has voter fraud. :(