NationStates Jolt Archive

My father sent this to me in a E-mail.

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following:

FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost -- an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost -- an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost -- an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but it took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation. We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!! Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high! The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.

Wait, there's more!!!!

JOHN GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13

Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living. This is a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn: "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"

Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank.

I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day ... to a veteran's hospital and look at those men -- with their mangled bodies -- in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!

You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee ... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job.

You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags. You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job? I'll tell you, Howard Metzenbaum; you should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were some men who held REAL jobs. And they required a dedication to a purpose -- and a love of country and a dedication to duty -- that was more important than life itself. And their self-sacrifice is what made this country possible. I HAVE held a job, Howard! What about you?"

For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA. Now he is a Senator! If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a Veteran. It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating until November.

FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost -- an average of 112,500 per year.

We stayed out of WWII until we were attacked. Japan and Germany were allies. You declare war on one, you declare war on the other. That's just how it works.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost -- an average of 18,334 per year.

Truman was a tool. He surrounded himself with crappy advisors and let them lead him around on a leash.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost -- an average of 5,800 per year.

Kennedy should not have started it, Johnson should not have continued it.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing.

"Offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times"? Can't say I've heard that before. If it's true, then Clinton messed up.

Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

Crippled al-Qaida? I don't think they're crippled at all. For every one we kill or capture, they find someone else to replace them. I don't know about Libya, but those inspectors have done such a great job in Iran and N. Korea. I mean, come on, North Korea has only made, what, 6-9 nuclear bombs when they didn't have any before Bush became President? Iran? Yeah, we're doin a great job of keeping them from getting nukes too. Hussein a terrorist? Nope. Dictator, yes - terrorist, no.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but it took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation. We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

Waco was a fiasco.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It's been a while, I'm fuzzy about details with that Kennedy thing, but from what I remember it was definately a really sketchy event. I don't remember what his excuse was, but I doubt he was justified at all.

JOHN GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
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I have nothing but respect for John Glenn and other veterans. Of course, that speech seems a little *too* "impressive" and eloquent for an "impromptu" speech. And the Senator who asked that should not have.

Now, your post was nothing more than another crappy chain-email. If your opinions can be swayed by a chain-email, then I feel sorry for you.

My mind was made up from way, way, before any chainletters reached my inbox. I thought it had some decent points in it though, that's all. No harm done.

My mind was made up from way, way, before any chainletters reached my inbox. I thought it had some decent points in it though, that's all. No harm done.
I wasn't impressed. :)

Canada and the UK weren't attack by Hitler but we still stood up to that spawn of satan. He tried to eliminate a race of people, killed tons of others from different minorities and threatened to destroy the world. Hitler was the most evil human ever, so you don't need much of a reason to attack him.

Canada and the UK weren't attack by Hitler but we still stood up to that spawn of satan. He tried to eliminate a race of people, killed tons of others from different minorities and threatened to destroy the world. Hitler was the most evil human ever, so you don't need much of a reason to attack him.

Stalin was pretty evil, he killed a lot more at his own despence. We didn't attack USSR openly. And you do realise that Saddam idolized Hitler and Stalin right? Could I start using "________ was the most evil human ever, so you don't need much of a reason to attack him." as a excuse to attack nations/people?

let me get this straight

you're trying to justify this war by comparing it to other wars which had more deaths?

oh look, people arnt dying THAT much, the war is just fine.

Stalin was pretty evil, he killed a lot more at his own despence. We didn't attack USSR openly. And you do realise that Saddam idolized Hitler and Stalin right? Could I start using "________ was the most evil human ever, so you don't need much of a reason to attack him." as a excuse to attack nations/people?




Saddam wasn't the msot evil dictator in the world, Kim Jong Il is and while his human abuses may not be as obvious, he starves people to death and the only way he lets them eat is if they join and get brainwashed by the army. Then he builds nukes and bumps his fist at South Korea and Japan. He is the real threat, Saddam was a threat to the people of Iraq and not much more.

It's a war that we have so far succeeded in, 1,000 US lives for 20 million Iraqi's. I love my country, but no human life is worth more than another human life, no matter where their from.

Saddam wasn't the msot evil dictator in the world, Kim Jong Il is and while his human abuses may not be as obvious, he starves people to death and the only way he lets them eat is if they join and get brainwashed by the army. Then he builds nukes and bumps his fist at South Korea and Japan. He is the real threat, Saddam was a threat to the people of Iraq and not much more.

Not to mention, nobody gave a flying fuck about Saddam being oppresive until AFTER we invaded.

Saddam wasn't the msot evil dictator in the world, Kim Jong Il is and while his human abuses may not be as obvious, he starves people to death and the only way he lets them eat is if they join and get brainwashed by the army. Then he builds nukes and bumps his fist at South Korea and Japan. He is the real threat, Saddam was a threat to the people of Iraq and not much more.

I think you are correct in a matter of speaking. N. Korea is a major threat and they should be taken care of, but not now. We are too over extended, that's one of the couple issues I agree with democrats. Once we get Iraq and Afghanistan settled, and start pulling more and more troops out of Europe like we have just started doing, we will be in a better position and opportunity.