NationStates Jolt Archive

After the 2004 elections, America has a new president(It doesn't matter which, and please leave them out of this). Despite election promises by both sides before the election, the president does not repair international relations. Things get progressivly worse. After a campaign in Iraq that is more ruthless than ever, middle eastern nations begin to block off oil exports to america. Even more dependant on oil from Canada, america's neighbors to the north begin putting limits on exports, and raising prices. Gasoline peaks at 5 dollars per.

As this happens, america begins aggresive policies against the middle east, demanding oil be let sold to america. After the Israeli-Iran scandal, America is put in a difficult situation. It supports Israel to the end however.

More and more nations condemn america, forego trade, etcetera. The US dollar begins to inflate, and the Euro reaches 2 american dollars at peak. As america slows fails to fix its budget and job loss goes down, a depression occurs. Failed confidence in the economy leads to massive stock pull outs, leading to widespread collapse.

To make things worse, China sponsers the ATB, an asian agreements not to trade with america, as they are no longer a viable trading partner, and the growing economies in asia can benifit more from inner trade.

By the end of 2007, america's GDP is down from 2004 levels, while the worlds GDP is growing exponentially. The standard of living nose-dives, and the government can barely keep order among the Y generation revolutionaries.

The question is, what have you done in these three years of decline? And what do you plan on doing after this? Moving? Sticking it out? Other?

I'll never leave this nation. This is my home. I'll fight for the future here. Only a coward would leave,

If all that happened, we'd just vote in 'ole Uncle Jeb! He's the man for the job! :)

Natural Choice, that is so true, better to fight for something than to live for nothing- not my quote :sniper: :mp5:

I've been expecting this. Every country gets it's turn. First it was Spain that owned everything in the middle ages, then England, and I know I left some out. In 2004 the US stood among the world's empires but now it's someone elses turn. There is no need to be ashamed if the country is going through a bad period, love the country you are in. But there is no shame in looking at other options either. I would probably move out and see what my options are. If there's nothing better then what I've left behind, I'll go back.


Woo for wordiness! :D

I've been expecting this. Every country gets it's turn. First it was Spain that owned everything in the middle ages, then England, and I know I left some out. In 2004 the US stood among the world's empires but now it's someone elses turn. There is no need to be ashamed if the country is going through a bad period, love the country you are in. But there is no shame in looking at other options either. I would probably move out and see what my options are. If there's nothing better then what I've left behind, I'll go back.


Woo for wordiness! :D
I've actually wanted to live overseas somewhere for a while now. Top of my list is Australia, hopefully I can find a job there after I graduate college, and live there for 5 years or so. Of course, I don't ever expect to live in another country for more than a few years at a time, and I'll probably always still consider the US my true home. For me, wanting to move away has nothing to do with what state I think the country is in/will be in. I just want to experience the world more.

Just to play devil's advocate, you would stay in a nation that is becoming a third world country, losing power, and becoming hated? Patriotism is a good thing, but wouldn't you bail from a sinking ship if you could?

Just to play devil's advocate, you would stay in a nation that is becoming a third world country, losing power, and becoming hated? Patriotism is a good thing, but wouldn't you bail from a sinking ship if you could?
No, it takes a complete piece of crap to flee the nation when it is slipping, especialy when it is slipping due to it's own citizens. Stay and right the ship.

But how can you help the ship when your own living conditions are going down the drain? How can you help the president or king or whatever if you don't have a job and you have to worry about the growing crime rate of your sorroundings?

I would find a way to nuke all of Europe if I was in that position. :)

well to be honest the this is the Greatist time to be an american ! we are just starting in are age . with the fail of the soviets not far behind us we are like rome after carthage fell . and there is nothing that makes me belive that we will lose in iraq name me one war were we defeated and occupied a nation or for that amatter in anyone elses history were we only lost 1000 soilders ! this is an increadbly low number i still rember weeks before the war the naw sayer promising us 20000 soilders would die in the first weeks in urban conflict lol . is america an empire yesbut one on the rise not the fall . and if china did stop trade with the US well that would be the thing to pop chinas bubble .and if u look at europen econs they are in much worse shape higher unemployment low growth and taxes are rising in europe atthe same time soiclist programs are being cut . and chinas 8th largest tradeing partner ... if it was its own nation it would be walmart !! that shows the true power of the US lol so i would stay but this idea isnt going to happen and is impossable

If it all came down to that, I would vote for the Presinator! He could only make things worse, and before long i'll be living in the armageddon wasteland of my dreams.

Seriously, though. During that time, I would rally the citizenry to call for a new government, since the one at that time had failed us. A three party system where all the restrictions that, while it probably made sense when the Constitution was first drafted, really is nothing more than arguing moot points.

Right now it seems we keep getting the same quality candidates regardless of what party they represent. This is because we keep voting in the same strata of class; predominantly well-to-do upper class people. I'd try to get real life schmoes with SOME higher learning, at least, to be electable.

well to be honest the this is the Greatist time to be an american ! we are just starting in are age . with the fail of the soviets not far behind us we are like rome after carthage fell . and there is nothing that makes me belive that we will lose in iraq name me one war were we defeated and occupied a nation or for that amatter in anyone elses history were we only lost 1000 soilders ! this is an increadbly low number i still rember weeks before the war the naw sayer promising us 20000 soilders would die in the first weeks in urban conflict lol . is america an empire yesbut one on the rise not the fall . and if china did stop trade with the US well that would be the thing to pop chinas bubble .and if u look at europen econs they are in much worse shape higher unemployment low growth and taxes are rising in europe atthe same time soiclist programs are being cut . and chinas 8th largest tradeing partner ... if it was its own nation it would be walmart !! that shows the true power of the US lol so i would stay but this idea isnt going to happen and is impossable

This has nothing to do with the thread. If you have an actual answer, feel free. I didn't say this would happen, though it is plenty possible. Its just hard to accept that its possible, from anyones point of view with it happening to them.

Consumer confidence in america is at an all time low, peak oil is quickly coming, and with the right chain of events a great depression is very possible.

I've been expecting this. Every country gets it's turn. First it was Spain that owned everything in the middle ages, then England, and I know I left some out.
And by some, you mean a ton.

And by the way, no matter what happens, the US won't be completely in shambles by 2008. It would probably take at least two decades of complete US ineptitude before we lost a lot of sway in the world and the US became a terrible place to live.

a depression is possable . but a US depression would mean a global depresion with places that depend on the US as a place to dump products being hit the hardest .

a depression is possable . but a US depression would mean a global depresion with places that depend on the US as a place to dump products being hit the hardest .
Well, the US would be hit the hardest, and Europe would be hit the weakest (aside from places like deep in Africa with little or no contact that don't matter much globally), but it definitely would be a global depression. It would have to last for quite a while for the US to be shoved to the bottom of the dogpile however.

EDIT: By the way, I really don't foresee the US being shoved to the bottom either way you look at it. Is there anything we depend on other countries for (aside from oil), that we absolutely can not produce or cultivate here? And it's not going to be long before fully electric-powered cars are a viable option (and a global depression caused by a massive spike in oil prices would catalize the research).

europe would be hit very hard who do u think buys alot of europe high end products ? i work at the board of trade in chicago . i know alot about the econ andworld market . i read a few days ago were european leaders blamed low growth rates on slow US growth and was waiting for the US to kick start the global econ . and name me one europen nation that has taken the EURO that hasnt shown a spike in employment and one europen nation that isnt going to be sent into a downward spiral when the population crunch takes place

europe would be hit very hard who do u think buys alot of europe high end products ? i work at the board of trade in chicago . i know alot about the econ andworld market . i read a few days ago were european leaders blamed low growth rates on slow US growth and was waiting for the US to kick start the global econ . and name me one europen nation that has taken the EURO that hasnt shown a spike in employment and one europen nation that isnt going to be sent into a downward spiral when the population crunch takes place
Do you have brain-damage? I didn't say Europe wouldn't be hit. I say Europe would be hit the least hardest. Europe could easily turn themselves around and start relying more on each other in their own region and not worry about the US so much. Actually, if you'll read my post, you'll notice that I pointed out which few areas wouldn't be affected, and Europe wasn't in that list.

Personally i would leave and move to Ireland with my father. But then again, I was planning on doing this from the beginning

if you'll read my post, you'll notice that I pointed out which few areas wouldn't be affected, and Europe wasn't in that list.



it wasnt on that list cause u say its on that list lol . i'm trying to talk in the real world europe would be in worces straights then it is now lol so jsut cause u some guy/gal online thinks it wouldnt be hit doesnt make it true . like i said i know why more about the econ than u do kid

I've come to the conclusion, after far too much thought, that regardless of what candidate is elected, there will be a revolution of some kind before 2008. Both candidates are so hated by a good percentage of the public, and it will only will take one or two fringe groups. But that's fine, I'm gonna be ready.
Anyway, as soon as I'm 18 (or earlier if I can manage it), I'm ditching my country. Freedom and civil liberties are going away too quickly for my comfort...

-Jake

I hate to make an off topic post here, but yeesh Liberta Islands, is there a chance you could NOT type with your ass?

hmm well i dont have time to type good i jsut come in say what i have to and hit the road sorry lol

and jake can u name me one right u lost ? and what "free" nation u will be heading for ? lol

if you'll read my post, you'll notice that I pointed out which few areas wouldn't be affected, and Europe wasn't in that list.



it wasnt on that list cause u say its on that list lol . i'm trying to talk in the real world europe would be in worces straights then it is now lol so jsut cause u some guy/gal online thinks it wouldnt be hit doesnt make it true . like i said i know why more about the econ than u do kid
If you're not going to read my posts, don't reply to them.

hmm well i dont have time to type good i jsut come in say what i have to and hit the road sorry lol

and jake can u name me one right u lost ? and what "free" nation u will be heading for ? lol
I dunno. The united states of Killyourself?
I spent all day in front of a computer, it's 2:00 AM here. I am not looking stuff up, even if it is saved on my hard drive. I can't even remember my password right now, I'm so full of mountain dew, bawls, and coffee.

It's on my computer somewhere...