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"Kerry is promising to cut the corporate income tax rate from 35% to 33.5%"

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/nov2004/nf2004111_4294.htm
Page 2, under the light blue box.

In a customer-only report by Credit Suisse they claim Kerry plans to drop tax rates for corporate America even lower.

So much for 'Champion of the Little Guy" - he's just playing a shell game by raising their income taxes a little, and then giving corporate America a sweetheart tax cut.

"No matter who wins the Presidency, Corporate America is positioned to win as well."
And the taxpayor gets to foot the bill. Thanks John. I'll make sure to flush you tomorrow.

Okay, so Kerry is going to pull a Bush.

i cant believe people will actually listen to kerry and then vote for him. every word that comes out of that mans mouth is bull shit or half truth. Even well favored democrats have said that kerry is full of bs.

from what i have seen most democrats listen to only democrats, most republicans listen to both sides and have a sense of humor when when someone makes fun of their side. Democrats whine and make legal cases.

Why don't people vote for socialism? It is self-evident that the system we have is inefficient and corrupt. Bush and Kerry both suck, we need reform. Only when we eradicate capitalism, can we enjoy a moral society.

Next comes the tomato subsidies...

ahh yes socialism, the society where no matter how hard you work your equal to everyone, leading to half ass jobs

People aren't voting for Kerry, they're voting against Bush.

voting for someone just because you dont like the other person can lead to another hitler, can you say any of kerrys plans?
all kerry ever says is he has a plan to fix this or that, but whats the plan, to have a magical fairy come by and wave a magic wand?

I would contend that socio-economic egalitarianism is preferable to dying of starvation because greedy corporations exported your job. Isn't it funny that in this "ideal" system of yours, only the affluent attain office? Corporations are suffocating society and you are blissfully unaware of it. Maintain your propaganda drenched views if you wish...

People aren't voting for Kerry, they're voting against Bush.


Gee, so Kerry's best quality is not his values, beliefes or even who he is, it is just who he isn't.

I'm pretty good at not being Bush, maybe I should have run for the Democraps. My platfor would have been subisidies for the adult entertainment industry and beer vending machines on every corner!

Why don't people vote for socialism? It is self-evident that the system we have is inefficient and corrupt. Bush and Kerry both suck, we need reform. Only when we eradicate capitalism, can we enjoy a moral society.

Oh, they suck, so we need socialism. Terrific. That's like saying my parents are stupid, so we need to abolish parenting.

People like you voted Hitler into power. Hitler, of course, of the national socialist party...

people are insane, just because you happen to live in a society and agree to that society it because of propaganda

I would contend that socio-economic egalitarianism is preferable to dying of starvation because greedy corporations exported your job. Isn't it funny that in this "ideal" system of yours, only the affluent attain office? Corporations are suffocating society and you are blissfully unaware of it. Maintain your propaganda drenched views if you wish...
I don't know anyone who is starving in the obesity capital of the world. North Korea, on the other hand, seems to have alot of empty shelves...

Gee, so Kerry's best quality is not his values, beliefes or even who he is, it is just who he isn't.

I'm pretty good at not being Bush, maybe I should have run for the Democraps. My platfor would have been subisidies for the adult entertainment industry and beer vending machines on every corner!

Bozzy for president 2008 :D

voting for someone just because you dont like the other person can lead to another hitler, can you say any of kerrys plans?
all kerry ever says is he has a plan to fix this or that, but whats the plan, to have a magical fairy come by and wave a magic wand?
Kerry has everything laid out on his website. There's pages and pages up there.

I would contend that socio-economic egalitarianism is preferable to dying of starvation because greedy corporations exported your job. Isn't it funny that in this "ideal" system of yours, only the affluent attain office? Corporations are suffocating society and you are blissfully unaware of it. Maintain your propaganda drenched views if you wish...

Blah blah blah anyone who disagrees with my political idealogy is just propagandized, brainwashed and blind sheep. Yawn.

How many people do you know that own corporations?

I'm guessing zero, since you have such an easy time demonizing not only the corporations and the owners but anyone who works for them or doesn't view them as the incarnation of immortal evil.

Kerry has everything laid out on his website. There's pages and pages up there.
Ya gotta dig pretty deep through the BS to get to his real plans. I guess he really does not want to headline with:
"LET ME RAISE YOUR TAXES AND CUT THEM ON MICROSOFT, GE AND WAL MART!"

Oh, they suck, so we need socialism. Terrific. That's like saying my parents are stupid, so we need to abolish parenting.

People like you voted Hitler into power. Hitler, of course, of the national socialist party...


Pssst...Your stupidity is showing. People like me voted hitler into power?!? People like me abolished slavery and prevented corporations from assigning slave wages to employees. People like me insured civil rights for everyone, not just caucasians. People like me support systems in which everyone is equal and enjoys unrestricted freedom and liberty. Do yourself a favor and read William L. Schirer's Rise and Fall of The Third Reich The Socialism that I support is in no way a replication of Naziism. Hitler used "socialist" in the party title to confuse voters. This would gain him, unfortunately, a plethora of unintended votes.

Socialism would ameliorate the deplorable fiscal situation that the United States is in. It would dramatically improve our nation's schools, and employment would enjoy a pinnacle. We would also (surprise surprise) experience multilateral, pacific foreign policy!

Kerry has everything laid out on his website. There's pages and pages up there.
pages and pages of crap
what is his plan on anything that you can tell me, that is making you vote for him

"LET ME RAISE YOUR TAXES AND CUT THEM ON MICROSOFT, GE AND WAL MART!"

I'm John Kerry and I approve of this message...

i am losing faith in this great nation of ours, if kerry is elected i can see us going the same way as the romans

Blah blah blah anyone who disagrees with my political idealogy is just propagandized, brainwashed and blind sheep. Yawn.

How many people do you know that own corporations?

I'm guessing zero, since you have such an easy time demonizing not only the corporations and the owners but anyone who works for them or doesn't view them as the incarnation of immortal evil.

It is ironic that you should mention that. In fact, I know several people with parents that own corporations (or enjoy CEO type positions). I was fortunate enough to attend a private school. While at this private school I dealt with the product of capitalist greed. I knew people that owned (I don't want to mess with copyrights) a major league baseball team, large shopping mall chains, etc...
Any system that allows the top 1% of a population to control 80% of the wealth is wrong.
Let me ask you a question: do you support poverty, child death, illness, racism, sexism, and violence? If so, you are in fact an ideal capitalist.

i am losing faith in this great nation of ours, if kerry is elected i can see us going the same way as the romans

I don't support Kerry (or Bush for that matter), but pray tell how this would replicate Rome.

Ya gotta dig pretty deep through the BS to get to his real plans. I guess he really does not want to headline with:
"LET ME RAISE YOUR TAXES AND CUT THEM ON MICROSOFT, GE AND WAL MART!"
i thought you people were all for cutting taxes? wouldnt cutting taxes on the corporatiosn allow them to hire more people here or at least pay some people more?

you jsut bitch because its not your guy, stop the partisan bullshit

this will be the downfall of our society, morals are going down, kerry has no plan to actually prevent terrorism, allows an invading force to come after us.

kerry should of been shot for treason back when he met with the enemy while a war was going on

Pssst...Your stupidity is showing. People like me voted hitler into power?!? People like me abolished slavery and prevented corporations from assigning slave wages to employees. People like me insured civil rights for everyone, not just caucasians. People like me support systems in which everyone is equal and enjoys unrestricted freedom and liberty. Do yourself a favor and read William L. Schirer's Rise and Fall of The Third Reich The Socialism that I support is in no way a replication of Naziism. Hitler used "socialist" in the party title to confuse voters. This would gain him, unfortunately, a plethora of unintended votes.

Socialism would ameliorate the deplorable fiscal situation that the United States is in. It would dramatically improve our nation's schools, and employment would enjoy a pinnacle. We would also (surprise surprise) experience multilateral, pacific foreign policy!

So you admit to hurting the economy, raising a generation full of hippies, and stripping money from people that earned it and spoon feeding it to drunks in dark alleys. The fact of the matter is I do not believe in equality because when I work my fingers to the bone I do not want to be equal to the stoner who failed parenting 101.

No child left behind will eventually fix our schools (give it a few years. Don't complain about funding; Bush raised funding by 46% during his term). The employment rate would be boosted, but it would be at the cost of high inflation. Lastly, do you really want to be anything like the French or Canadians? That's why we shouldn't switch to socialism.

i thought you people were all for cutting taxes? wouldnt cutting taxes on the corporatiosn allow them to hire more people here or at least pay some people more?

you jsut bitch because its not your guy, stop the partisan bullshit

i am not partisan so much. i go for the individual that shares the same beliefs as me and will make this country a safer and greater place. im not saying bush is the best man ever but he has shown to be a better leader tehn kerry can ever be

i am not partisan so much. i go for the individual that shares the same beliefs as me and will make this country a safer and greater place. im not saying bush is the best man ever but he has shown to be a better leader tehn kerry can ever be
judging by your previous post you are an ignorant git and should be shot if you come closer than 15 m to the polls

So you admit to hurting the economy, raising a generation full of hippies, and stripping money from people that earned it and spoon feeding it to drunks in dark alleys. The fact of the matter is I do not believe in equality because when I work my fingers to the bone I do not want to be equal to the stoner who failed parenting 101.

No child left behind will eventually fix our schools (give it a few years. Don't complain about funding; Bush raised funding by 46% during his term). The employment rate would be boosted, but it would be at the cost of high inflation. Lastly, do you really want to be anything like the French or Canadians? That's why we shouldn't switch to socialism.

Do you mean the same "No child left behind" that bush underfunded by 27 billion dollars?

judging by your previous post you are an ignorant git and should be shot if you come closer than 15 m to the polls

its great to know that i am ignorant for knowing truth, and i should be shot for voicing my opinion. I LIVE IN AMERICA, NOT NAZI GERMANY

Why don't people vote for socialism? It is self-evident that the system we have is inefficient and corrupt. Bush and Kerry both suck, we need reform. Only when we eradicate capitalism, can we enjoy a moral society.

Hopefully the human race will be long gone before we become that stupid.

judging by your previous post you are an ignorant git and should be shot if you come closer than 15 m to the polls

keeping talking chess squares you give a great name to your fellow democrats keep calling people that state truth ignorant

its great to know that i am ignorant for knowing truth, and i should be shot for voicing my opinion. I LIVE IN AMERICA, NOT NAZI GERMANY

I sure hope that quip was intentional. Your political ideals are in extraordinary unison with those of Nazi Germany....funny.

its great to know that i am ignorant for knowing truth, and i should be shot for voicing my opinion. I LIVE IN AMERICA, NOT NAZI GERMANY
which is why you advocated shooting john kerry isntead of supporting his right to free speech

Do you mean the same "No child left behind" that bush underfunded by 27 billion dollars?

Yes, that very one :rolleyes: .

Was that the best you could do in term of rebuttal? If Kerry debated like you this election would be a no brainier.

judging by your previous post you are an ignorant git and should be shot if you come closer than 15 m to the polls

Apparently you haven't been informed of this new thing called a "representative democracy." See, people elect leaders that best represent their point of views and then those leaders pass legislation to protect their constituents. The very constituents that elected them. Isn't that crazy?!?

Yes, that very one :rolleyes: .

Was that the best you could do in term of rebuttal? If Kerry debated like you this election would be a no brainier.



Apparently you haven't been informed of this new thing called a "representative democracy." See, people elect leaders that best represent their point of views and then those leaders pass legislation to protect their constituents. The very constituents that elected them. Isn't that crazy?!?
you people really like to flood dont ya

you people really like to flood dont ya

Yeah... I flood a lot. All flooders give out facts and figures nowadays. Especially while talking down to idiots that spew out half-legible lines as their share their opinions as if they were gospel.

Gee, so Kerry's best quality is not his values, beliefs or even who he is, it is just who he isn't.

I'm pretty good at not being Bush, maybe I should have run for the Democrats. My platform would have been subsidies for the adult entertainment industry and beer vending machines on every corner

Hmmm.

I believe that it was the GOP who put up for the Senate in Illinois a candidate who frequented swinger's clubs (Jack Ryan), withdrawing from the race in disgrace and it is the Republican Party that is currently offering the people of Colorado a beer baron, know for his twiiiins commercials (Pete Coors).

Values are only important to the GOP when they can be used as a cudgel against the Democrats.

It's only rational for the Democrats to take something, now that the Republicans took the idea of bigger government. Kerry decided to take "Pro business legislation"

This whole thread is a lot of :rolleyes:

"Kerry is promising to cut the corporate income tax rate from 35% to 33.5%"

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/nov2004/nf2004111_4294.htm
Page 2, under the light blue box.

In a customer-only report by Credit Suisse they claim Kerry plans to drop tax rates for corporate America even lower.

So much for 'Champion of the Little Guy" - he's just playing a shell game by raising their income taxes a little, and then giving corporate America a sweetheart tax cut.

"No matter who wins the Presidency, Corporate America is positioned to win as well."
And the taxpayor gets to foot the bill. Thanks John. I'll make sure to flush you tomorrow.
You conveniently left out the two paragraphs ahead of the last one:

Of course, competitive and economic pressures play a role. But advertising companies in Europe increasingly say vehement anti-American feeling is eroding consumer support for key U.S. brands. Since the President and his foreign policies are so opposed in Europe and much of the world, a second term would probably exacerbate the decline of U.S. brands abroad. This is no small thing.

The French-speaking Kerry promises to bring Old Europe back into the fold. He's the anti-Bush and vows to restore the Atlantic Alliance. If he does, he might also restore consumer loyalty to U.S. brands. Again, this is no small thing. When it comes to reviving Brand America, Kerry comes out ahead.

Also, you state that Kerry wants to raise taxes yet you did not support that argument in this post nor even mentioned it. Now the onus is on you to prove that Kerry wants to raise taxes?

You conveniently left out the two paragraphs ahead of the last one:

Of course, competitive and economic pressures play a role. But advertising companies in Europe increasingly say vehement anti-American feeling is eroding consumer support for key U.S. brands. Since the President and his foreign policies are so opposed in Europe and much of the world, a second term would probably exacerbate the decline of U.S. brands abroad. This is no small thing.

The French-speaking Kerry promises to bring Old Europe back into the fold. He's the anti-Bush and vows to restore the Atlantic Alliance. If he does, he might also restore consumer loyalty to U.S. brands. Again, this is no small thing. When it comes to reviving Brand America, Kerry comes out ahead.

Also, you state that Kerry wants to raise taxes yet you did not support that argument in this post nor even mentioned it. Now the onus is on you to prove that Kerry wants to raise taxes?
Why do we consistently see obtuse postings from you. You can't vote. You can't change anyones mind. And you can't get your facts straight. All one has to do is read Mr Kerrys lips. He has said it since the begining that he is going to raise OUR taxes, and lower the corporations, but he would go after the companies that moved production overseas. Big Wa-hoo-hoo! I'd like to see that plan. Better yet, I'd like to see that accomplished.

Now, it's your turn to prove that Mr Kerry does not want to raise OUR taxes. BTW, can you view our television broadcasts where you live?

Why do we consistently see obtuse postings from you. You can't vote. You can't change anyones mind. And you can't get your facts straight. All one has to do is read Mr Kerrys lips. He has said it since the begining that he is going to raise OUR taxes, and lower the corporations, but he would go after the companies that moved production overseas. Big Wa-hoo-hoo! I'd like to see that plan. Better yet, I'd like to see that accomplished.

Now, it's your turn to prove that Mr Kerry does not want to raise OUR taxes. BTW, can you view our television broadcasts where you live?
Despite your obvious personal attack, I will endeavour to slimplify this post so that you might have a better understanding of the request that I made to Bozzy earlier.

The title of the thread is "Kerry wants to cut corporate taxes and raise yours!"

In the ensuing post by Bozzy, he chose a couple of quotes from an article that did not fairly represent the gist of the whole article and I called him on it, not you. Also in his post, Bozzy did not support his claim that Kerry "wants to raise taxes", and I asked him, again not you, to support his claim.

As for your suggestion that I cannot "get my facts straight", I had to chuckle especially since your "facts" are equated with the reading of "Kerry's lips". Well I do profess to be a bit weak in the lip reading department, so if you could offer an argument that could actually support your argument, then we will at least have some substance to further the debate, otherwise, you are offering hollow rhetoric.

As far as being able to influence others, that is a matter of opinion? In any debate, there are many "facts" to weigh and where there is an absence of "facts", or there is an outright distortion of the truth, one gets to challenge those so called "facts". If you are not up to the challenge, I suggest that you leave the answer up to Bozzy, who was the author of this thread?

BTW, although I cannot vote in this election, it does not mean that I am not entitled to an opinion. This is a worldwide forum and as such, I will continue to exercize my freedom of speech, even though it may not be to your liking? :eek:

As for your suggestion that I cannot "get my facts straight", I had to chuckle especially since your "facts" are equated with the reading of "Kerry's lips". Well I do profess to be a bit weak in the lip reading department, so if you could offer an argument that could actually support your argument, then we will at least have some substance to further the debate, otherwise, you are offering hollow rhetoric.Hence the question if you could watch US television. If you in fact could, then would know that while battling on the campaign trail he has SPOKEN this. But one of your nature cannot handle that, you would prefer it to be a dozen or so web-sites! So technically I can't link it, and you can't disprove it. So the parlay is still alive and well. Except we can and you can't observe it.

Bozzy for president 2008 :D


Could we please also have hooker vending machines, booze vending machines, firecracker machines, and handgun machines on every corner. If you could get some of these things in place, I'll promise to bring 100,000 votes to you. ;)

PS-all that I ask is that you make me Secretary of Fun.

Hence the question if you could watch US television. If you in fact could, then would know that while battling on the campaign trail he has SPOKEN this. But one of your nature cannot handle that, you would prefer it to be a dozen or so web-sites! So technically I can't link it, and you can't disprove it. So the parlay is still alive and well. Except we can and you can't observe it.
Actually, I DID observe it in the debates. He specifically stated that he would NOT raise taxes:

KERRY: Absolutely. Yes. Right into the camera. Yes. I am not going to raise taxes.

I have a tax cut. And here's my tax cut.

I raise the child-care credit by $1,000 for families to help them be able to take care of their kids.

I have a $4,000 tuition tax credit that goes to parents -- and kids, if they're earning for themselves -- to be able to pay for college.

What say you now oh wise one?

Why don't people vote for socialism? It is self-evident that the system we have is inefficient and corrupt. Bush and Kerry both suck, we need reform. Only when we eradicate capitalism, can we enjoy a moral society.


A moral society maybe, but one with bread lines definately

People aren't voting for Kerry, they're voting against Bush.

I second that. Bush already killed his chance as being the president (SURE LETS GIVE A TAX CUT DURING A WAR SO EVERYBODY IS IN DEBT!!!Except the rich people...damn republicans).

In other words, alot of us Kerry supporters are just giving him a chance. We don't want Bush anymore, he's a bad president. So now were taking the risk and giving Kerry a chance in office.

:gundge:
And is it just me or does this smiley resemble a guy with the Unreal Sludge Gun (bio rifle).

Isn't it odd that the very ppl who railed against Kerry suposed plan to raise taxes for the wealthy, by saying it will hurt small business owners, are the very same ones now denouncing Kerry suposed plan to cut business tax (which I assume small business have to pay).
Which just goes to show that no matter what Kerry's actual policies are, there are those who will hate them because they're just that: Kerry's.

BTW, changing the business tax rate will most likely have little or no effect on what Corporations pay. They have so many tax loopholes they can manipulate, they generally pay less.
So a drop in the business tax rate is going to benefit small business. Which is a good thing isn't it?
It won't affect the big corporations, who aren't paying the full 35% anyway.

http://www.forbes.com/personalfinance/taxes/2004/04/15/cx_aw_0415bigpay.html
In total, the ten largest taxpayers among U.S.-based Forbes 2000 companies recorded more than $176 billion in pretax income and $57 billion in income tax provisions, an effective rate of a little more than 32%
http://www.aflcio.org/corporateamerica/ns09222004.cfm
Citizens for Tax Justice (CTJ) and the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, found 82 of 275 companies CTJ examined enjoyed at least one year in 2001–2003 in which they paid no federal income taxes yet received billions of dollars in outright tax rebates. In 2003 alone, 46 of the companies paid no federal income taxes and in some cases, received tax rebates.
The companies, all on the Fortune 500 list, were profitable in each of the three years analyzed.
General Electric Co., which lobbies extensively for tax breaks, topped the list of corporate tax-break recipients, receiving nearly $10 billion in tax subsidies over the three-year period, according to the report.

i cant believe people will actually listen to kerry and then vote for him. every word that comes out of that mans mouth is bull shit or half truth. Even well favored democrats have said that kerry is full of bs.

from what i have seen most democrats listen to only democrats, most republicans listen to both sides and have a sense of humor when when someone makes fun of their side. Democrats whine and make legal cases.

typical right wing propaganda BS.

People talk about voting against Bush - I wonder why that's a bad thing. I don't like Senator Kerry much, but he agrees with me on more than Bush does. Since someone here has challenged anyone to name one of Senator Kerry's policies, I'll do it right now - to encourage more nations, through the United Nations, to send forces into Iraq and train more Iraqi civilians into a police force while rotating American soldiers out of the conflict, and giving Iraq and the UN more stake in Iraq's future in exchange. He is unequivocally for stem cell research. He opposes the Federal Marriage act because while he personally opposes gay marriage he feels the states should decide. He supports Roe v. Wade. He's for the ban that just ended on assault weapons. He's in favor of repealing tax cuts against the top two percent of income earners in the United States to pay for more Medicare and believes in minor privatization of Social Security.

Here's President Bush:
President Bush is opposed to gay marriage, although he supports civil unions. President Bush is opposed to abortion. President Bush is opposed to appealling to our allies for help. President Bush is for tax cuts for businesses, because conventional economic wisdom says that that's what helps the economy. President Bush wants to stem stem cell research.
President Bush claimed to support a ban on assault weapons - he did nothing to stop that ban from expiring.
President Bush claims to support a mission to Mars - he's done nothing since he made that claim.
President Bush claims to support more debt relief in Africa - he's done nothing since he made that claim.
President Bush claims to support his own road map for the Middle East - he's done nothing to pressure Sharon into following that plan.

As between the President, who either opposes progress or supports progress in a manner that requires him to do nothing; who either opposes peace or supports peace in a manner that requires him to do nothing; or the Senator who will attempt to at least do something - although he will likely be stopped by a Republican Congress - who will at least try to do something for progress and peace around the world - I'd have to go with John Kerry.

Hmmm.

I believe that it was the GOP who put up for the Senate in Illinois a candidate who frequented swinger's clubs (Jack Ryan), withdrawing from the race in disgrace and it is the Republican Party that is currently offering the people of Colorado a beer baron, know for his twiiiins commercials (Pete Coors).

Values are only important to the GOP when they can be used as a cudgel against the Democrats.
Is there something wrong with sex and pretty women? If so then I am one f'ed up puppy!

A moral society maybe, but one with bread lines definately

Oh come now. Don't you remember the Reagan era?

"There are no poor in America; only people looking for a free lunch"

:rolleyes:

this will be the downfall of our society, morals are going down, kerry has no plan to actually prevent terrorism, allows an invading force to come after us.

kerry should of been shot for treason back when he met with the enemy while a war was going on

And Bush should be jailed for fraud.

i cant believe people will actually listen to kerry and then vote for him. every word that comes out of that mans mouth is bull shit or half truth. Even well favored democrats have said that kerry is full of bs.

from what i have seen most democrats listen to only democrats, most republicans listen to both sides and have a sense of humor when when someone makes fun of their side. Democrats whine and make legal cases.

Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie or half-truth? Have you not listened to Bush?

from what i have seen most democrats listen to only democrats, most republicans listen to both sides and have a sense of humor when when someone makes fun of their side. Democrats whine and make legal cases.
The time for partisan lying is not now.

Kerry has everything laid out on his website. There's pages and pages up there.

The only people who don't think Kerry has specific and detailed plans are those who desperately wish, against reality, that it is so. The information is at your fingertips, it's been linked to, explained, debated, covered, rebutted, redirected, corrected, spun, unspun, quoted and linked to again.

I'm sorry. It's right there for everyone to see. How anyone can deny their existence is beyond me. Perhaps you'd like to argue against gravity now?

Oh, they suck, so we need socialism. Terrific. That's like saying my parents are stupid, so we need to abolish parenting.

People like you voted Hitler into power. Hitler, of course, of the national socialist party...
The truth is, solalism has historically been controlled by the far right. I am a communist because we don't go around building empires. At least, real communists don't.