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I'm just getting an early start. The 2004 election process is almost over and we need something to talk about for four years so, I'ma start the first thread.

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If Bush wins...
Colin Powell vs. Hilary Clinton

If Kerry Wins...
Colin Powell vs. John Kerry

McCain vs. Kerry or McCain vs. Hillary, depending if Bush wins.

McCain vs. Kerry or McCain vs. Hillary, depending if Bush wins.

Ooh forgot about him, I like him better too. :)

Hell no! We want Jeb!

Uncle Jeb in '08! :cool:

If Bush wins...
Colin Powell vs. Hilary Clinton

A black man running against a woman... In terms of how that would go (How many Republicans are racist? How many Democrats are sexist?) that would definately be an interesting election, but I think McCain is more likely to run instead of Powell.

I do think 2008 could be the year when a third-party candidate might have a serious shot, especially if John Kerry gets in this time around and makes a complete ass of himself, or proves himself to be as similar to Bush as many expect him to be. People might just break tradition and vote for real change (and how shocked would Nader be if he actually won?)

I doubt mcvain will run. I found his Date of Birth is 29 August 1936.

2008 - 1936 is 72. That is pretty old for a president seeing s the oldest one, acctauly a vice president was only 70. Although I think he said he wasn't going to run. But if he were younger he would be a good choice.

I have two ideas:

R. Guiliani v. H. Clinton

R. Guiliani v. J. Kerry

A black man running against a woman... In terms of how that would go (How many Republicans are racist? How many Democrats are sexist?) that would definately be an interesting election, but I think McCain is more likely to run instead of Powell.

*Holds Crotch*
That'd be awesome! I would laugh whoever wins. Third party scares the crap outta me, but that's cause I'm conservative. I'd vote for Powell.

There have been several old presidents... and lets not even get into those damn Supreme Court Justices. Talk about old.

In my opinon, in a Bush win, it will be Clinton vs McCain, and a Kerry will give us a McCain vs Kerry.

Hell no! We want Jeb!

Uncle Jeb in '08! :cool:
Jeb's not running, much to the disappointment of Republicans. I'm betting on McCain.

John McCain in '08 :cool:

Jeb's not running, much to the disappointment of Republicans. I'm betting on McCain.

Jeb will come around eventually. After all, George was reluctant to run until he was pressured by friends and relatives, and he took it despite last-minute smear operations. Besides, the people clearly want Jeb! The GOP will move heaven and earth to draft Jeb once the favorability numbers assert themselves, even above McCain's. I think it'll be hard to refuse by then. :)

I didn't even think about Jeb. Colin McCain and Jeb are our only chances of beating hilary and they could destroy Kerry. Maybe not Jeb, but who knows. :)

Jeb will come around eventually. After all, George was reluctant to run until he was pressured by friends and relatives, and he took it despite last-minute smear operations. Besides, the people clearly want Jeb! The GOP will move heaven and earth to draft Jeb once the favorability numbers assert themselves, even above McCain's. I think it'll be hard to refuse by then. :)

Jeb Bush: "I'm not going to run for president in 2008," Mr. Bush, who rarely grants interviews to the national news media, told George Stephanopoulos, the host of This Week. "That's not my interest. I'm governor of this state. It's the best job in the world I have."

It would be, somewhat embarassing for him to turn around. Trust me, he won't run, regardless of party pressure.

Jeb Bush: "I'm not going to run for president in 2008," Mr. Bush, who rarely grants interviews to the national news media, told George Stephanopoulos, the host of This Week. "That's not my interest. I'm governor of this state. It's the best job in the world I have."

It would be, somewhat embarassing for him to turn around. Trust me, he won't run, regardless of party pressure.

Yeah, but his term won't last forever.. I'm pretty sure FL has term limits. As for saying he wouldn't run, I don't think anyone's going to protest his change of heart, seeing as he was asked before in the middle of his brother's re-election campaign.. He'll probably just say he didn't want to complicate the election at hand, which is appropriate, since he would've looked ridiculous promising to run in '08, if his brother lost in '04.. he's a winner both ways, now. :)

hmmm, McCain too Old, Jeb not Leaving, Colin not Wanting. What'r the republicans to do?

hmmm, McCain too Old, Jeb not Leaving, Colin not Wanting. What'r the republicans to do?
Take their ball and go home, hopefully.

I sure hope Jeb never runs. I've had enough Bush to last me a lifetime. ;)

I would vote for Colin over any Dem I can think of (but just barely over Hillary), but he doesn't want to run, or rather, his wife doesn't want him to from what I've heard.

I don't think McCain will run, although he may...it would be interesting to see Kerry vs McCain, considering they've worked together on so much in the past. At least it probably wouldn't turn into a mudslinging-fest like this election has been.

Take their ball and go home, hopefully.


No such luck! I will transplant my brain into some old guys body and run if I have too. The Dems don't get a runaway!

Jeb will come around eventually. After all, George was reluctant to run until he was pressured by friends and relatives, and he took it despite last-minute smear operations. Besides, the people clearly want Jeb! The GOP will move heaven and earth to draft Jeb once the favorability numbers assert themselves, even above McCain's. I think it'll be hard to refuse by then. :)

If George W. loses, I don't think Jeb will run. I don't think he'll want to go up against an incumbent who beat his brother. If W. wins, and the party doesn't go to Cheney (and I don't think that most Republicans think that Cheney could win), then I could envision Jeb running against a fresh Democratic candidate, especially if it's Hillary.

a good republican ticket would be Pres.-Colin Powell VP-Rudy Guiliani

I would vote for Colin over any Dem I can think of (but just barely over Hillary), but he doesn't want to run, or rather, his wife doesn't want him to from what I've heard.

I can see his point, to be honest with you. I dread to think what racist groups would try to do to any black man who ran for the Presidency, which is a shame, as he's one of the few on Bush's staff I could stomach - though I've got serious misgivings towards him after his involvement in the cover-up of the My Lai massacre in Vietnam. I don't think I could bring myself to support a man who covered up something like that.

I don't know enough about Hillary Clinton to support her in 2008 should Bush be re-elected this time around, so it looks like I'm staying a Badnarik supporter provided he runs as Libertarian candidate again.

If George W. loses, I don't think Jeb will run. I don't think he'll want to go up against an incumbent who beat his brother. If W. wins, and the party doesn't go to Cheney (and I don't think that most Republicans think that Cheney could win), then I could envision Jeb running against a fresh Democratic candidate, especially if it's Hillary.

Exactly. We'd need someone fresh if Bush were to lose tomorrow (don't count on it ;) ).. But with Bush going until '09, Jeb would be the logical follow-up, especially if world events procede as planned, i.e. Iraq's elections going like Afghanistan's, disarming Iran successfully, etc. Jeb would practically walk in, especially vs. Hillary. :cool:

a good republican ticket would be Pres.-Colin Powell VP-Rudy Guiliani

Could be, I like my Body transplant Idea better! I'd make an awesome president. Imagine Obama running under the Republican ticket! :)

Exactly. We'd need someone fresh if Bush were to lose tomorrow (don't count on it ;) ).. But with Bush going until '09, Jeb would be the logical follow-up, especially if world events procede as planned, i.e. Iraq's elections going like Afghanistan's, disarming Iran successfully, etc. Jeb would practically walk in, especially vs. Hillary. :cool:

But if W loses, I don't think Jeb would want to go up against Kerry. It would provide too much campaign ammunition for Kerry. Comparing George W. to Jeb would be far to easy.

a good republican ticket would be Pres.-Colin Powell VP-Rudy Guiliani

Rudy's definitely got the skills, judging on his appearance on Russert today. He's got some stuff, Rudy does. He's got the spark.

But if W loses, I don't think Jeb would want to go up against Kerry. It would provide too much campaign ammunition for Kerry. Comparing George W. to Jeb would be far to easy.

I agree. If Bush were to lose, Jeb would have loser stink on him for '08, all politics aside.. He would need to do like W and hold off for the full 8 years since the last Bush, and then make the comeback, kinda like Gore could've done if he hadn't gone batshit crazy after 2000. ;)

I agree. If Bush were to lose, Jeb would have loser stink on him for '08, all politics aside.. He would need to do like W and hold off for the full 8 years since the last Bush, and then make the comeback, kinda like Gore could've done if he hadn't gone batshit crazy after 2000. ;)

Gore didn't go crazy. He got in touch with his Tennessee roots.

Even if this Bush wins and there's two new candidates in '08, it all depends on who is around in '08. If the Democrats field an extremely strong candidate (I can't think of any around currently but there are four years for people to make names for themselves), then the Republicans might go for a McCain or a Guiliani that can draw alot of Democratic votes away from the Democratic candidate. It all depends.

Rudy's definitely got the skills, judging on his appearance on Russert today. He's got some stuff, Rudy does. He's got the spark.

I likes the cut of your jib.

If Bush loses (dear, God, we're doomed!)
Guliani or McCain vs Kerry

If Bush wins (phew)
Bush vs Hillary or Richardson

If Bush loses (dear, God, we're doomed!)
Guliani or McCain vs Kerry

If Bush wins (phew)
Bush vs Hillary or Richardson

Do you really think the nation could stand another 8 years of Bushes? I think it would just rally the Democrats even more so. Better to go with a charismatic Republican that alot of Democrats already like, like a McCain or a Guiliani.

Do you really think the nation could stand another 8 years of Bushes? I think it would just rally the Democrats even more so. Better to go with a charismatic Republican that alot of Democrats already like, like a McCain or a Guiliani.

That's our Ace in the Hole: The DNC and the media have left McCain virtually untouched since the 2000 primaries, while going full-bore after W. See, with Jeb in '08, we'll be able to pre-empt their hate by comparing it to the rhetoric against W.!

We'll simply say:

"Yeah, they're putting 'ole Uncle Jeb through the wringer, but they've been anti-Bush since '00. Remember when they said "X?"" ;)

or:

"Yeah, they're hounding Ole Jeb, alright.. but it's nothing compared to how they went after W."

:cool:

However, attacks against McCain would be fresh, and would sting more, since he has a reputation that's positive, yet somewhat ambiguous to the average person.

After George W. Bush's defeat the GOP will turn on itself and there will be a power struggle for control of the party between traditional, fiscal conservatives and the right-wing evangelical ideologues. Because of the influence of the religious wing of the party the GOP would never support John McCain or Rudi G. The red-meat rabid right would rather fall on their swords than support either of these two.

Gov. Jeb Bush is term limited in Florida and will probably run for the senate seat currently held by Bill Nelson in 2006. Massachusettes governor Mitt Romney is a likely possibility. New York Gov. George Pataki is a possibility from the governor's ranks, as well.

From the Senate Sam Brownback of Kansas, Bill Frist of Tennessee and Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania are all possiblities for 2008, but my dark horse for the GOP candidate from the Senate is Elizabeth Dole.

Should Kerry be re-elected in 2008 it will be interesting to see who wins out in the contest for 2012 between John Edwards and Hillary Clinton. Should Barak Obama live up to his promise he could be a VP or dark horse presidential candidate, however the parties in the modern era generally prefer to go with a governor and all three Democratic hopefuls are senators.

After a second Bush single term presidency the GOP will not go for a third Bush. Jeb will run for the Senate in 2006.

After a second Bush single term presidency the GOP will not go for a third Bush. Jeb will run for the Senate in 2006.

There are quite a few repubs that I know that don't want Mccain in and Want Jeb in. Jeb can't be blamed for W either, they'll see thast too... hopefully. Gulianni would be my first choice, he'd be a good decisive kind of guy. Colin would be awesome too, too bad it won't happen.

I think Ronald Reagan! I think that he will be elected our "Great leader" like how Kim il-Sung is still the head of state in DPRK i.e. North Korea even though he is dead. We will all consult the mystical bowl jelly beans that he was eating the day he lift his fleshy prison. High Priest Rick Santorum will interpret the Jelly Beans' wishes and issue degrees based on His will.

If Bush wins, Jeb Bush is an obvious choice. He has the family name, was elected twice to the governorship of Florida, and probably could win, especially if Dubya does a decent job **snicker** in his second term (sorry for the partisanship, but if other people here are going to make it known how they feel about the candidates, I shall make it obvious I hate George W. Bush with a passion.)

If he loses, I don't know. Jeb's probably out. McCain might be too old. Powell won't run. Cheney isn't popular enough. Rove isn't a household name. Rumsfeld is more infamous than anything. Ashcroft is too fundamentalist. Dennis Hastert gets too much bad press. Rudy Giuliani has been out of the game for a little too long. I almost expect the GOP to nominate someone we wouldn't expect.

For the Dems, if Kerry wins, we should assume he gets his party's nomination for a second term. I see no reason he wouldn't.

If he loses, Hillary's a possibility, although there are plenty of others. Again, I don't think it will be someone we expect. Howard Dean's ruined his shot. Kucinich is too liberal. Gephardt has been trying for ages. Edwards is unlikely, considering he might be out of politics if Kerry loses. Wesley Clark is possible, but only if the Dems need to run a moderate, perhaps against Jeb. Lieberman is too conservative, plus he already lost as VP candidate. Again, if it isn't Bill Richardson, I expect the Dems to pick someone unexpected.

I think Ronald Reagan! I think that he will be elected our "Great leader" like how Kim il-Sung is still the head of state in DPRK i.e. North Korea even though he is dead. We will all consult the mystical bowl jelly beans that he was eating the day he lift his fleshy prison. High Priest Rick Santorum will interpret the Jelly Beans' wishes and issue degrees based on His will.

Interesting plan, but how does it involve me kicking ace in Obama's body?
:confused:

SCHWAZENAGGER! He just said he would last night on TV.

Arnold Schwarzenegger & Rudy Guiliani

Arnold Schwarzenegger & Rudy GuilianiI don't want Arnold in and it's good that at the moment he cant get in, but think about it. What if the Republicans got California. Oh man, my balls hurt just thinking about it!

I say Schwarz and Giuliani against Obama and Hillary. I still don't think the nation would elect a woman as president, but VP would be the first logical step down that path.

I say Schwarz and Giuliani against Obama and Hillary. I still don't think the nation would elect a woman as president, but VP would be the first logical step down that path.

If you read the rest of this you'll know it's gonna be me in Obama's body, with Guiliani as veep. Hillary and whoever don't stand a chance! :p

Achoo!

Ouch, I bumped my head!

SCHWAZENAGGER! He just said he would last night on TV.
Once that constitutional amendment passes, the reign of Arnold will be upon us. He should be strong on the issue of: protecting us from the machines.