NationStates Jolt Archive

Even if they aren't guaranteed protections and freedoms, they might still disagree.

Not before they have a brain, they don't.

Can we say 'physically incapable'?

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What about bringing a child into the world because it is already in the world, in your womb, and no-one has the right to kill another human being?

Actually, you do have the right to kill another human being in the same way a pregnant woman does - you can refuse to donate blood and/or organs.

You could even legally refuse to donate to your own children, even if doing so will kill them.

And even if you don't, everyone else has the legal right to. And that ain't changing anytime soon.

Explain why pregnant women should be the exception.

If you aren't responsible to raise a child the only prudent thing to do is to give the child up for adoption not kill the child.

Rape and sex are hardly in the same category and I'd wish people would stop jumping to conclusions. Contaceptives do fail, and when they do you take responsiblity.

The rest is simply the old arguement of whether an unborn child is alive or not. No agreement will ever be reached here, but for me it is unfortunate that women know there is a life growing and they can kill the child on a whim.

For me it is unfortunate that so many people ignore the fact that whether or not the fetus is 'human life' does not matter

I am absolutely shocked at the fact that not one single anti-abortioner has told me why pregnant women should be the SOLE exception to a logical rule:

you cannot be forced to donate blood/organs against your will. Ever. Full stop, period. If your child will die, you can still refuse. If the child needs the organ because of your actions, you can still refuse.

Until someone can provide a reason for why women alone should not recieve this fundamental right (and only during the nine months of pregnancy, at that), I will remain totally unconvinced.

And again, all you religious folks: The Bible states indirectly that ABORTION IS NOT MURDER. Murder is punished by stoning in all cases, abortion is punished by a fine paid to the father. NOT STONING. So there's one more argument shot down. (It's Exodus 21:22 that states the punishement for abortion... yay, I've got it memorised now :))

And again, all you religious folks: The Bible states indirectly that ABORTION IS NOT MURDER. Murder is punished by stoning in all cases, abortion is punished by a fine paid to the father. NOT STONING. So there's one more argument shot down. (It's Exodus 21:22 that states the punishement for abortion... yay, I've got it memorised now )
*files for later use* :p

*files for later use* :p

'mm, to quote Conceptualists:


Exodus 21:22

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

From the King Jame's Bible which I understand is the protestants' Bible of choice.

theres nothing at all wrong with abortions as long as its done early in the pregnancy. human beings are set aside from everything else becasue we have the ability to reason, and since fetuses don't have that ability, they aren't full people. and it's not murder if they aren't born yet. they cant even think and they wont even know whats happening. better to have a child aborted than to have it suffer growin up with an incompetent parent.

also, if women are forced to bring children into this world that they cannot care for, then there will be more orphans--as if there arent already enough, and who is going to take care of them? are the pro-lifers going to take them in and make sure that everyone of them is doing well and getting a good education and living a good life? they arent even doing that for the kids that are already here...what gives them the right to force a woman to have kids? being anti abortion and syaing its murder is like saying every child that you are not having is murder because you are not letting that sperm and that egg live up to its full potential. so then you're saying that everyone must continuously have babies every nine months because otherwise it is murder.

Perhaps people get abortions because they don't want the responsiblity of raising a child? They were stupid to get pregnant to begin with and now let's use this form of birth control and kill the unborn child so your own life doesn't get any tougher.

"Hey kid, guess what? Your sole reason for excisting is to punish your mother for making a mistake. That's right, you're the reason she cries every night and uses drugs. Aren't you happy now? :) "

"Hey kid, guess what? Your sole reason for excisting is to punish your mother for making a mistake. That's right, you're the reason she cries every night and uses drugs. Aren't you happy now? :) "

I am absolutely shocked! :eek:

Hey, everyone, let's just kill everyone we don't like. Would make things so much simpler right? :rolleyes:

I am absolutely shocked! :eek:

Hey, everyone, let's just kill everyone we don't like. Would make things so much simpler right? :rolleyes:

Actually, yeah, it would make things simpler. (Notice how I didn't say anything about morally correct there.)

However, refusal to donate an organ is not the same as murder. Ever. Period. So stop trying to make allusions to the contrary.

What is wrong with abortions? Think of the positives:
1. It will give doctors more money if they are permitted so.
2. It will help keep control over the huge population.
3. More sex! Yes, there will be more sex! Awesome, it will put people back to work, or school, in a much better mood, its a moral booster!
4. It doesnt damage our freedom of choice.
5. It would allow stem cell research.
6. Did I mention the sex?

Lets try to think of more people, starting with 7!

A moral booster just what I need.I actually can't stop laughing.Never before have I heard someone argue that abortion boosts morale(thats what you meant I think)

Actually, yeah, it would make things simpler. (Notice how I didn't say anything about morally correct there.)

However, refusal to donate an organ is not the same as murder. Ever. Period. So stop trying to make allusions to the contrary.

I believe abortion is murder and there is no excuse for it. Donating organs is your own choice. If I need one I certainly hope there is one more out there but as it is don't ever need a transplant. If you do, your in trouble.

I believe abortion is murder and there is no excuse for it. Donating organs is your own choice. If I need one I certainly hope there is one more out there but as it is don't ever need a transplant. If you do, your in trouble.

I believe that there is an invisible pink unicorn that grants my every wish, but that doesn't make it so.

And wait a minute, if donating organs is my own choice, then why is it not a woman's choice of whether or not to donate her own?

I believe that there is an invisible pink unicorn that grants my every wish, but that doesn't make it so.

And wait a minute, if donating organs is my own choice, then why is it not a woman's choice of whether or not to donate her own?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but if you're saying that abortion and organ donation are the same thing then I have no idea as to your logic. :confused:

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but if you're saying that abortion and organ donation are the same thing then I have no idea as to your logic. :confused:

Reverse that. Pregnancy is akin to organ donation. Well, organ leasing/borrowing anyway.

Forcing a woman to keep an unwanted pregnancy is aking to forcing someone to act as a dialysis machine, a food processor, and an iron lung for something/someone else. In no other instance does anyone of a 'pro-life' bent advocate this practice that I have seen. And I have yet to see an acceptable explanation on this board of the hypocracy.

EDIT: coz I can't spell "bent"