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Recently, a community centre in my city has opened a unisex shower/change room.. It has been met with lots of comments, both good and bad. Personally, I don't see the good in this. It is wrong on many different levels, but what's your opinion?

Yes... you heard me right in case you're a little confused about this, men, women, children and teenagers all changing in the same room.

The essential role of this thread is to present a controversial issue which people will argue about... if it gets to sixteen pages, I'll be very happy, so please, be very thourough in your responses.

I don't see a huge problem with it. As long as they still offer gender-specific changing rooms as well, why should anyone complain?

It's not like every time someone sees a member of the opposite sex in the process of changing they will be uncontrollably compelled to have sex with them.

Also--lesbians and gay men are allowed to change in the same rooms as other women and men. Is this also a problem, in your opinion?

I don't see a problem either.

I don't see a huge problem with it. As long as they still offer gender-specific changing rooms as well, why should anyone complain?

It's not like every time someone sees a member of the opposite sex in the process of changing they will be uncontrollably compelled to have sex with them.

you don't get the option of changing in another room, its all in one room, no discussion

You silly conservatives. Not everything is sexual.

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It's not like every time someone sees a member of the opposite sex in the process of changing they will be uncontrollably compelled to have sex with them.

Also--lesbians and gay men are allowed to change in the same rooms as other women and men. Is this also a problem, in your opinion?[/QUOTE]

I'm somewhat worried about the children... wont someone please think of the children?

You silly conservatives. Not everything is sexual.
so... being naked in the same room with a whole lot of members of the opposite sex is not sexual?

Recently, a community centre in my city has opened a unisex shower/change room.. It has been met with lots of comments, both good and bad. Personally, I don't see the good in this. It is wrong on many different levels, but what's your opinion?

Yes... you heard me right in case you're a little confused about this, men, women, children and teenagers all changing in the same room.

The essential role of this thread is to present a controversial issue which people will argue about... if it gets to sixteen pages, I'll be very happy, so please, be very thourough in your responses.

And in which country is this Soddom and Gommorah located?

You put a naked woman around a bunch of naked men,
and she's eventually going to be raped. Especially in a
Community Center.

Recently, a community centre in my city has opened a unisex shower/change room.. It has been met with lots of comments, both good and bad. Personally, I don't see the good in this. It is wrong on many different levels, but what's your opinion?

Yes... you heard me right in case you're a little confused about this, men, women, children and teenagers all changing in the same room.

The essential role of this thread is to present a controversial issue which people will argue about... if it gets to sixteen pages, I'll be very happy, so please, be very thourough in your responses.
i think it's a great idea. there's no reason why people of different genders should shower or change seperately, though i think there should be little booths or something for people who are simply modest and prefer not to change or shower in public. i would fully support having unisex bathrooms, lockerrooms, and changing rooms in all public buildings, replacing the segregated facilities we have currently.

And in which country is this Soddom and Gommorah located?
What's Soddom and Gommorah?

You put a naked woman around a bunch of naked men,
and she's eventually going to be raped. Especially in a
Community Center.
then every one of those men should be executed immediately. if they lack basic self control then they are worthless, and should be treated as such.

Wow. same sex changing rooms. Not everybody thinks about sexual stuff, but what about the perverts that do?

Huh Huh!! You said sex and shower in the same topic!!
(sorry, Tybonia is temporarily under the control of Bill Clinton)

This is funny!

then every one of those men should be executed immediately. if they lack basic self control then they are worthless, and should be treated as such.
not executed... just castrated...

What's Soddom and Gommorah?

oops. Sodom and Gomorrah. I'm tired. :)

What's Soddom and Gommorah?

Good question... Its one of those Christian Fairy Tales...

Wow. same sex changing rooms. Not everybody thinks about sexual stuff, but what about the perverts that do?
I agree... besides the religious stuff, what about the perverts?

no not all men are perverts and not all girls will be unable to defend themselves but if your daughter is the one who falls prey to a sexual predator i guarantee the issue will look a hell of a lot different to you.

*edited for spelling*

so... being naked in the same room with a whole lot of members of the opposite sex is not sexual?

It doesn't have to be. In many cultures, it's completely normal. In Japan, for instance, communal public baths are common.

But we are not in Japan are we. its not culture.

well not our culture...

Considering the above post, it is rather important that you tell us where it is located so that we can pass judgement besed on local culture.

And not in any way, shape or form make plans to visit it. :p

It doesn't have to be. In many cultures, it's completely normal. In Japan, for instance, communal public baths are common.
okay, but in Japan, this has been going around for quite a while. People in this country are new to it... that does raise a problem. In france, for example, it's anything-goes on the beaches. After a few months, you jsut stop looking. However in those first few months, your eyes are wide open.

I think it's fine. I mean, before Queen Victoria was in power, it was fairly common place in Europe for men and women to use a common communal together. It's the Puritans and the Victorians that set in stone that men and women cannot be in the same room naked because it's a bloody sin.

But we are not in Japan are we. its not culture.


You fail to see my point that communal bathing and changing is not inherently sexual.

actually is any1 in Japan?

I personally wouldn't have a problem with it. Some people are more private then others and many would feel uncomfortable. It doesn't make one a prude. personally I think having separate ones for men and women is best simply as that is what everyone is used to and I see no reason to change.

It doesn't have to be. In many cultures, it's completely normal. In Japan, for instance, communal public baths are common.

What for men, women, children and families.

You fail to see my point that communal bathing and changing is not inherently sexual.
when you get used to it, sure, but before that, it is extremely sexual

First off, this is probably a hypothetical situation...

Anyway, I don't support it, because locker rooms are used for more than changing. This will severely hamper the tradition of locker room-talk, an important social event, and the genders would probably prefer their privacy in this regard. Also, it would completely ruin the imagination part of dating. Finally, I don't think men or women want to watch eachother applying gender specific products.

Good question though, pervert.

I honestly don't care. It's not a hot button issue.

There should be an option for changing rooms, but otherwise... meh. Not a huge deal.

But I greatly doubt this: :fluffle: will be happening all the time.

Or rapes for that matter.

What for men, women, children and families.

Yes, all in the one bath. They get changed seperately, but bathe together in public baths.

Well i sure as hell would not bath in the same room with the opposite sex. too many sickos out there...

Yes, all in the one bath. They get changed seperately, but bathe together in public baths.


What! naked???

when you get used to it, sure, but before that, it is extremely sexual

Just don't look.

(I know it's hard :p)

Someone made a point about homosexuals before- should they get changed in seperate changerooms, considering it's the same situation essentially?

Well, erm . . . I don't think I would mind being in a shower fully of pretty girlz! :p

So long as their personalities were also nice

What! naked???

Yes.

not executed... just castrated...

...with a shotgun.

Seriously, people will get used to it. There are no problems that don't already exist which will creep up. And if you cite rape, you tell me how a little sign is going to stop a guy from going into the women's room to do it.

(Well, erm . . . I don't think I would mind being in a shower fully of pretty girlz!

So long as their personalities were also nice )




THats exactly what i mean.

Yes.

That's pretty cool. So do people like go with their girlfriend and stuff?

What for men, women, children and families.


yep, males rangeing from 2 to 102 and women from 2 to 102, nudity is socially acceptable in the right contexts in Japan, like bathing, however in Japan their to tend to be three bathing areas, Male, Female and Mixed, but it all depends on the area

and all the people going on abou "Oh its too sexual" thats the whole reason that this room is being set up, so that you get used to it, so that nudity is not sexual, if we have children growing up seeing that nudity is acceptable in a non-sexual context than they is a good chance that they won't grow up into rapists and sexual predators

...with a shotgun.

Seriously, people will get used to it. There are no problems that don't already exist which will creep up. And if you cite rape, you tell me how a little sign is going to stop a guy from going into the women's room to do it.

True, but guys will be more tempted to do it, and it will be easier for them to.

That's pretty cool. So do people like go with their girlfriend and stuff?

I guess. But it wouldn't be very private if you know what i mean :p

True, but guys will be more tempted to do it, and it will be easier for them to.

just for reference, are you male or female?

Female

I guess. But it wouldn't be very private if you know what i mean :p

Well it depends what tickles the pickle so to speak. I think I'm moving to japan. :)

Female

Thought so.

True, but guys will be more tempted to do it

I find the insinuation that guys are naturally tempted to rape women quite offensive...

Well it depends what tickles the pickle so to speak. I think I'm moving to japan. :)

lol!

im not saying all of them are, just the sickos.

Thought so.



I find the insinuation that guys are naturally tempted to rape women quite offensive...

i did not mean for it to be offensive, just to let u know. :rolleyes:

im not saying all of them are, just the sickos.
True.

Besides, the only time I could feel comfortable sexually with a girl is if it was mutual.

I think we're missing the larger point here people.

The japanese are having huge naked bathing tub parties, and they didn't invite us.

I mean, why leave us out. Aren't we friends.

I think we're missing the larger point here people.

The japanese are having huge naked bathing tub parties, and they didn't invite us.

I mean, why leave us out. Aren't we friends.

lol

I guess. But it wouldn't be very private if you know what i mean :p
not just not private... I mean, senior citizens use the pools too...
*shudder*

I think we're missing the larger point here people.

The japanese are having huge naked bathing tub parties, and they didn't invite us.

I mean, why leave us out. Aren't we friends.
umm, no . . . . my best friend is part japanese, he's been to japan, people are not all crazy like that

umm, no . . . . my best friend is part japanese, he's been to japan, people are not all crazy like that

What's crazy about a huge naked tub party? Sounds like fun.

When I was taking a tour of UC Santa Cruz, I found that the dorm I toured had co-ed restrooms. In fact, a girl walked in on me while I was urinating. I was shocked for a second, and then remembered that the bathrooms were co-ed, and I was like "oh." she said hi and I said hi back and it really wasn't any big deal.

I think we need to get more relaxed about nudity in this country (USA). The times I've been to Europe, I've found that they're way less up-tight about it there and nudity is less a thing of shame. So I wouldn't really have a problem with having mixed shower rooms. At first, it would be very tempting to look, but after a little while it would be perfectly normal.

What's crazy about a huge naked tub party? Sounds like fun.
They aren't all sexually excited over it . . .

It's not really that big of a deal... and not as if people are about to start behaving improperly in a changing room full of ... well, everybody.

I suspect that your local social conservatives will stay aghast at it, though, and keep petitioning until they've rid your community of the menace of people not conforming to Victorian ideals.

When I was taking a tour of UC Santa Cruz, I found that the dorm I toured had co-ed restrooms. In fact, a girl walked in on me while I was urinating. I was shocked for a second, and then remembered that the bathrooms were co-ed, and I was like "oh." she said hi and I said hi back and it really wasn't any big deal.

I think we need to get more relaxed about nudity in this country (USA). The times I've been to Europe, I've found that they're way less up-tight about it there and nudity is less a thing of shame. So I wouldn't really have a problem with having mixed shower rooms. At first, it would be very tempting to look, but after a little while it would be perfectly normal.
religion is a good thing. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all go for modesty. Do you think there's a pattern here? Obviously there's something wrong with this entire co-ed locker room thing

They aren't all sexually excited over it . . .

Who mentioned sex?

I was just thinking of huge naked bathing tub parties.

You've got a dirty mind. :)

i did not mean for it to be offensive, just to let u know. :rolleyes:

I know :p

Everyone has ignored my psot about religion. Guilty conscience?

Unfortunately I can only reinforce my statment with direct quotations, but I can only quote the Hadiths, I'll ask my friends later for stuff from the Torah and Bible.

' The prophet (PBUH) saw a man bathing naked in a public area, he said 'God loves modesty, so cover yourselves'

Everyone has ignored my psot about religion. Guilty conscience?

Unfortunately I can only reinforce my statment with direct quotations, but I can only quote the Hadiths, I'll ask my friends later for stuff from the Torah and Bible.

' The prophet (PBUH) saw a man bathing naked in a public area, he said 'God loves modesty, so cover yourselves'

No, it's because it doesn't apply. There are too many countries with large Christian populations that have co-ed bathrooms and dorms for it to matter.

Totally for it.

If we can't have co-ed showering rooms, maybe we should segregate all schools, workplaces, etc. We wouldn't want to see males looking at women with only shirts and pants on, right?

Recently, a community centre in my city has opened a unisex shower/change room.. It has been met with lots of comments, both good and bad. Personally, I don't see the good in this. It is wrong on many different levels, but what's your opinion?

Yes... you heard me right in case you're a little confused about this, men, women, children and teenagers all changing in the same room.

The essential role of this thread is to present a controversial issue which people will argue about... if it gets to sixteen pages, I'll be very happy, so please, be very thourough in your responses.

Sounds quite Japanese

As far as christian religion... anyone remember what Noah did when he finished unloading all the animals? He planted Grapes, Got Drunk, and passed out in the nude. One of his sons noticed, brought it up to his fellow brothers, and an older son covered Noah up as he slept. Noah woke up later, saw he was covered, and got so angry he cursed his YOUNGER son.

Now, this is from a time when God and Noah were pretty tight, them bein on speaking terms and all. So Nudity can't be all THAT bad (neither can public drunkeness aparently).

you silly little conservatives, there is no problem here, if someone has a problem with sharing a bathroom with a person of the opposite sex the problem lies within the person. If someone can share a basthroom why is there a problem with the opposite sex, it's not gonna be a sex romp, people are better than that, if there not there is a problem with your society

this changing room can be very gross, alot of old men and women may use it and its not always the best thing to be standing next to a naked old man or woman :eek: , siblings if they go at the same time may end up having to get changed the same time, i for one do not want to see my sisters get naked :eek: , thats just wrong. this also opens up for sexual predators to hang out in those rooms, with the invention of smaller and smaller camers will allow a sick minded old man watch a 16 year old girl get changed. people get arrested for that stuff everday and this will just allow them a larger chance to get away with it.

i must mention though that back in hs i wouldnt mind getting changed with some girls in my class :D

religion is a good thing.

I disagree.

Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all go for modesty. Do you think there's a pattern here?

Mm, that seems to be the extent of it. So no, not really.

Obviously there's something wrong with this entire co-ed locker room thing

Religions advocating modesty doesn't prove unisex locker rooms "wrong." Even if you think Judeo-Christian-Islamic religion right, it has to say something other than modesty to condemn the unisex locker room, because the people in the room will be just as naked as if they had single-sex locker rooms.

If we lived in a society that allowed people to walk around naked on a daily basis this wouldnt even be an issue, infact why even have a changing room?
just allow people to go into the community center and get changed where ever.

and if we allow them to get chnaged and naked anywhere why not let them have sex anywhere

Good grief. Mention nudity and all the hormones start flying.

You're forgetting, ladies, that you're going to get to stare at old-man balls and shrivled, useless pricks.

You're forgetting, guys, that you'll get to stare at the droopy, saggy grandmas.

Naked is not always nice. In fact, in the United States with the obesity problem, it's probably almost /never/ nice! Keep those clothes ON!

thats is what i was getting to mac
thanks for summing it up

religion is a good thing. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all go for modesty. Do you think there's a pattern here? Obviously there's something wrong with this entire co-ed locker room thing

Christianity, Islam, and Judaism aren't the only religions. I know of many that do not have such restrictive views concerning nudity and treat it as quite normal. Also, where lies the problem if the people involved aren't unhappy about it? None of the students I met at the UCSC campus had anything but positive things to say about having co-ed bathrooms.

religions you make up in order to rape any woman you want dont count

religions you make up in order to rape any woman you want dont count


What an ignorant, bigoted thing to say. So you think that any religion other than Christianity, Islam, and Judaism was made up in order to rape women? You are a fool in that case.

thats is what i was getting to mac
thanks for summing it up

Sorry, I missed it ;)

lol, so up tight today!

Just to let you all know christiananity is the only important religion to me. its the only religion i car about. that doesnt mean i hate everyone who doesnt beleive in what i believe but i dont know why i have to sacrifice my faiths because some other guy comes up with a religion that allows this or a parent is going to be so ignorant to the world and doesnt want to give their child a chance to decide for themselves and say god can not be mentioned in public.

(adding on to my last one) but it is ok to say there is no god in public

Just to let you all know christiananity is the only important religion to me. its the only religion i car about. that doesnt mean i hate everyone who doesnt beleive in what i believe but i dont know why i have to sacrifice my faiths because some other guy comes up with a religion that allows this or a parent is going to be so ignorant to the world and doesnt want to give their child a chance to decide for themselves and say god can not be mentioned in public.

Dude, you just described a lot of Christians in the U.S. (minus the no-say-god part). And before you comment, I'm Roman Catholic, so you should know it is bad when I can see it.

In all honestly, I have yet to find an area where one cannot speak about it. We have churches with public signs, entire networks devoted to the belief, bilboards and stores devoted to it, and who knows how much. And let's not forget the televised prayer of Bush awhile back. Talking about God in public is about as taboo as talking about air.

To be honest, you would be surprised how many people I meet who say they are Christian, but are not sure of what they believe, know nothing about the Bible, and only say it because their parents never tolerated any other option.

just a question how old are you? when was the last time you went to a public school? it is said in public but there are so many people trying to make it restricted.

I'm in my twenties, graduated from one about three years ago, and have a brother still in one. I visit his school once in awhile. He's in the Gospel choir.

just a question how old are you? when was the last time you went to a public school? it is said in public but there are so many people trying to make it restricted.

There's a difference between "in public" and "in a public school." There's also a difference between "saying God" and "setting aside time to pray to God."

I recently got out of a public school system, and the only people who ever discouraged me from talking about God in public were devout Christians who didn't want His name taken in vain.

Normally, I'd say go for it.

But over 30% of americans are obese.

So I'm thinking nooooooo.

It doesn't have to be. In many cultures, it's completely normal. In Japan, for instance, communal public baths are common.

ROTFLMGDAO

You don't know how wrong you are. These used to be the rule, over 150 years ago. The mixed public bath is gone. Even the mixed hot spring bath is an almost extinct rarity. A fair number of those that do exist are designed for male titillation (some even hire pretty young women for the express purpose of "enhancing" the experience).

Furthermore, they do have separate changing rooms and you are expected to cover yourself with a hand towel, thusly:
http://www.amateras.com/trip/japan/aso/SuzDoroyu240x180.jpg

(mods: I don't think that picture violates any rules. If it does, feel free to remove it.)

Also, more and more people wear bathing suits in mixed baths.

The only place where mixed bathing is still common is at home in the family bath.

actually is any1 in Japan?

Yes. I have lived here 13 years. I go to one of the two local public baths in my neighborhood maybe once or twice a year. Neither one is mixed. Nor were any of the public baths I have been to elsewhere. I have been to one mixed hot spring. Most of the bathers were elderly men. There were a couple of older women, and one young couple. All the "bits" were covered. Changing rooms were separate.


What for men, women, children and families.


Yes, all in the one bath. They get changed seperately, but bathe together in public baths.

As I said above, Kanabia has it about half right. There are no more public baths with mixed bathing, as far as I know. There are hot springs with mixed bathing, but not neccessarily naked.

There's a difference between "in public" and "in a public school." There's also a difference between "saying God" and "setting aside time to pray to God."

I recently got out of a public school system, and the only people who ever discouraged me from talking about God in public were devout Christians who didn't want His name taken in vain.

Public schools should be secular, that's it. That doesn't stop students of particular religions or whatever forming clubs and stuff, or talking about God or whatever, but the actual institutions should be free of any particular religious influence. What I mean is, one religion should not be favoured in the syllabus or in official school activities. For example, my school (public) woud have a carol service. I was like... what? Why aren;t we having Eid festivities or Diwali cermonies?

And on the same sex changerooms, it's not a huge deal, or rather it shouldn't be. People really need to become less hung up about the human body. Like the whole Janet Jackson nipplegate thing. I was like... wow.. a nipple... everyone has two...

Unisex showers :) :) :)

yes im a perv and aperantly im going to the fifth level of hell, the river stix, i wonder if botan will be there :) :) :)

Public schools should be secular, that's it. That doesn't stop students of particular religions or whatever forming clubs and stuff, or talking about God or whatever, but the actual institutions should be free of any particular religious influence. What I mean is, one religion should not be favoured in the syllabus or in official school activities. For example, my school (public) woud have a carol service. I was like... what? Why aren;t we having Eid festivities or Diwali cermonies?

And on the same sex changerooms, it's not a huge deal, or rather it shouldn't be. People really need to become less hung up about the human body. Like the whole Janet Jackson nipplegate thing. I was like... wow.. a nipple... everyone has two...

Totally agreed. I have no problem with people praying to their various deities on their own, wherever they are, but if a teacher or administrator leads the class/school in prayer to a particular god, when most of my friends do not share that religion (some of them have a different religion, some have none at all), that I have a problem with.

To unisex bathing. C'mon, we all know what everybody's equipment is, what's the big deal? Oh wow... nakedness, it's not as if we don't know what's there. I really don't think it would take that long for us to adjust to it. I think after a little while, maybe even just months, instead of thinking "naked person" we'd just think "person." As a society, I think we need to be more comfortable with the human body.

Despite my liberal views toward social issues, sexuality, nudity, and sexual education included, I have my apprehensions about public bathing (in general) let alone unisex bathrooms.

Call me "racist" or "prejudiced" all you want, but the issue of Japan and bathing (whether accurrate or not) brings to mind statistics/notorious cultural attitudes toward women [in various aspects, especially sex], which makes me wonder of the "beneficial" effects of public baths...
The ancient Greeks and Romans had those too, and look at how (likewise) their attitude toward sex and children developed...

In any event, I think that there are better ways to teach people to be more blase about sexuality and nudity. Obviously most people can control sexual urges et al, but I don't think I could handle being in a room with naked women without being *aroused* (by some of them). And given that there would also be naked men, the elderly, and children, I shudder ot imagine how that would affect me psychologically.

*Pardon my severity. I watched Battle Royale last night (again), and I'm reminded of how disgusted I am with this one aspect of Japan.

Well, on the one hand, my mind says that there is no particular problem with this. Naked is nothing more or less than lacking clothing, and I can see no real reason why friends would really need to worry.

That being said, I'm also aware that years of sexual repression can have an effect on a person, and that the body (or to be more accurate, parts of the body) might not necessarily agree with my analysis about the non-sexuality of the situation, leading to considerable humiliation on my part. So I'm kind of leery of the whole enterprise, in spite of my rational thought processes.

I hope y'all will forgive me if I made it a bit ambiguous. Didn't want to be too overt in my concerns.

Yes. I have lived here 13 years. I go to one of the two local public baths in my neighborhood maybe once or twice a year. Neither one is mixed. Nor were any of the public baths I have been to elsewhere. I have been to one mixed hot spring. Most of the bathers were elderly men. There were a couple of older women, and one young couple. All the "bits" were covered. Changing rooms were separate.



As I said above, Kanabia has it about half right. There are no more public baths with mixed bathing, as far as I know. There are hot springs with mixed bathing, but not neccessarily naked.

Bah, so there are no huge naked bathtub parties after all. :(

Bah, so there are no huge naked bathtub parties after all. :(

Nope.

This page (http://www.pref.aomori.jp/kokusai/seikatu/word/page3-e.html) and this one (http://www.traveldish.com/features/getgorgeous/deepwater.htm) have good info.

What country is the thread starter in? it would be weird to have a unisex shower room in a country (U.S.) that has banned topless bathing on public beachs.

Call me "racist" or "prejudiced" all you want, but the issue of Japan and bathing (whether accurrate or not) brings to mind statistics/notorious cultural attitudes toward women [in various aspects, especially sex], which makes me wonder of the "beneficial" effects of public baths...
The ancient Greeks and Romans had those too, and look at how (likewise) their attitude toward sex and children developed...
I don't believe their attitude towards sex developed from their bathing experiences. And baths at the time were more like bordels anyway (and women (as wives and other "normal" women) were actually banned from public baths).

But I have a lot of experiences on this matter. I live in Finland and here we have used to nudity. We don't have unisex showers or public unisex saunas (only one in Helsinki). Anyway we have to shower naked and go to sauna naked (only a small towel where to sit). If I go to sauna at someone's cottage, I usually go there with everyone else (unisex). Nudity while in sauna is not a sexual thing around here. Sometimes there's (usually female) someone who's a bit more shy and wears swimsuit or wraps a towel around her/him but believe me, when it's +70C you'll rather be naked.

I think that seeing a lot of naked bodies both young and old, male and female, ugly and beautiful makes it easier to accept your own body. It gives you a more realistic idea of human body than if the only naked, barely dressed bodies you see, belong to supermodels.

At my local YMCA I was in the showers recently, it was empty when I got in, then a guy came in and for some reason started showering right beside me. He asked if I wanted to party (I figured that he wanted some loving from the fact that he was at half mast so to speak). I said I don't go that way and walked out. Also my brother walked in the sauna once and caught 3 gay dudes having a ski party so to speak. I quit going there and now work out at a gold's gym.

so... being naked in the same room with a whole lot of members of the opposite sex is not sexual?

no.

At my local YMCA I was in the showers recently, it was empty when I got in, then a guy came in and for some reason started showering right beside me. He asked if I wanted to party (I figured that he wanted some loving from the fact that he was at half mast so to speak). I said I don't go that way and walked out. Also my brother walked in the sauna once and caught 3 gay dudes having a ski party so to speak. I quit going there and now work out at a gold's gym.

Its YMCA what do you expect?

you can find yourself surrounded with naked Japanese chicks and not get into trouble?
Damn! I picked the wrong Asian country to move to!

The posts about Homosexuals using the same changing rooms reminded me about a truly disgusting thing I found in the gym showers a few weeks ago:
An empty condom wrapper. I mean I go to the gym to work out, not to get chatted/felt up in the showers or steam room. Please, show a bit of patience and self-control!
My first thought was "Just great! My luck to join a gay gym!"
Ever since then, I've grown acutely paranoid about using the showers (let alone the Steam room!). There's two hooks (one high-up, one low-down) and I've now become obsessed with the idea (I hate myself sometimes for these weird notions that pop into my head) that there might be some sort of code in how and where you hang your towels (the gym supplies two towels evey time you workout). Maybe having them both on the top hook indicates availability, or maybe on the bottom hook, or alternate, or the big towel on top, or....
Well you get the drift. So my usually extremely long hot showers (I believe in making the most of my membership fees) have become, sadly, short quick ones.

well unisex showers may seem nasty now.. but remember nudity was not at all a problem and no one was embarrissed to be naked or go in unisex in the pre-chrisian years, greece, alround the roman empire, most of africa, mediterranian islands like crete, and even before such a sense of shame was developed everyone was practically naked! but today i don't think its appropriate really.. sadly.. damn shame.. but the homosexuals checking me out is a bit scary.. :p

Well, on the one hand, my mind says that there is no particular problem with this. Naked is nothing more or less than lacking clothing, and I can see no real reason why friends would really need to worry.

That being said, I'm also aware that years of sexual repression can have an effect on a person, and that the body (or to be more accurate, parts of the body) might not necessarily agree with my analysis about the non-sexuality of the situation, leading to considerable humiliation on my part. So I'm kind of leery of the whole enterprise, in spite of my rational thought processes.

I hope y'all will forgive me if I made it a bit ambiguous. Didn't want to be too overt in my concerns.

I'm Tex, and I approve this message. :)

I have no problems with women, men and children all changing/showering in one room. I'm gay and strangely enough, most of the men who I've seen in my life in locker rooms were sexually uninteresting. Firstly, it is not sexual if you see someone naked right away (nothing hidden = no sexual fantasies), and most people are not adonisses or wonderfully beautiful angels. Most are average, fat, hairy with flabby bellies and legs and chests and nothing remotely interesting on them. Of course, the odd beauty among the average joes does stand out and gets some more glances at certain body parts ;) But this does not mean that everyone rapes everyone else. Humans are "intelligent" because we have largely overcome our primal instincts and can control what we do.

ROTFLMGDAO

You don't know how wrong you are. These used to be the rule, over 150 years ago. The mixed public bath is gone. Even the mixed hot spring bath is an almost extinct rarity. A fair number of those that do exist are designed for male titillation (some even hire pretty young women for the express purpose of "enhancing" the experience).

Furthermore, they do have separate changing rooms and you are expected to cover yourself with a hand towel, thusly:
http://www.amateras.com/trip/japan/aso/SuzDoroyu240x180.jpg

(mods: I don't think that picture violates any rules. If it does, feel free to remove it.)

Also, more and more people wear bathing suits in mixed baths.

The only place where mixed bathing is still common is at home in the family bath.

Hm. I heard that from a Japanese friend.

Thanks for destroying my argument asshole. :mad: (lol)

NUDIE BITS ARE BAD!!!!

IF IT DANGLES, IT DESERVES TO BE MANGLED!!!!

NO PUBLIC CHANGEROOMS OMFG!!!!

Heh.

Normally, I'd say go for it.

But over 30% of americans are obese.

So I'm thinking nooooooo.
Yeah, I'll have to agree. Most overly obese Americans are scary enough when they 'attempt' to wear bath suits. Not that seeing nude obese people is any more scary than seeing obese people wearing speedos (Shudder). Still it is not the most pleasant thought in the world.

Yeah, I'll have to agree.
Perhaps the unisex shower idea should only be implemented in a place like Brazil.

I read somewhere that in Brazil, 1 of every 9 people is extremely attractive (and the rest is still pretty good lookin to boot)

and most people are not adonisses or wonderfully beautiful angels.

I am ;)

Yeah, I'll have to agree. Most overly obese Americans are scary enough when they 'attempt' to wear bath suits. Not that seeing nude obese people is any more scary than seeing obese people wearing speedos (Shudder). Still it is not the most pleasant thought in the world.
bathing with all those fatties will certainly help you keep to your diet though.

bathing with all those fatties will certainly help you keep to your diet though.
Hell it might make you anorexic! :D

I really don't mind either way, segregated or integrated. It sounds like the community centre was trying to save money, building one changing room rather than two.

And in which country is this Soddom and Gommorah located?
Iraq, right? Or is it Syria?

then every one of those men should be executed immediately.
What a psycho.

religion is a good thing. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all go for modesty. Do you think there's a pattern here? Obviously there's something wrong with this entire co-ed locker room thing
Many of us don't care what Christianity, Islam, and Judaism think.

I think we're missing the larger point here people.

The japanese are having huge naked bathing tub parties, and they didn't invite us.

I mean, why leave us out. Aren't we friends.
I think we know what to do.

Invade Japan!!!

but the homosexuals checking me out is a bit scary.. :p
Which happens anyway with the status quo.

Perhaps the unisex shower idea should only be implemented in a place like Brazil.

I read somewhere that in Brazil, 1 of every 9 people is extremely attractive (and the rest is still pretty good lookin to boot)
Who did this survey, and what were their criteria???

huh we have those all around here, that being Finland..

Who did this survey, and what were their criteria???
I remember reading it in a CNN article a year ago. And criteria?!?! It's Brazil for crying out loud!!!!

theres nothing wrong with them

you'll see the other sex naked sooner or later... it's probably beter that it's sooner

I don't really like the idea of that. I'm quite shy on being naked around other people. Being naked around girls would make me feel even more nervous. Plus I'm a Christian and the Bible is against that kind of stuff.

And in which country is this Soddom and Gommorah located?

Adam and Eve were naked together too remember, up until they got original sin from the apple and put clothes on. Therefore, surely that means clothes are a thing of sin?

Mikorlias of Imardeavia

Adam and Eve were naked together too remember, up until they got original sin from the apple and put clothes on. Therefore, surely that means clothes are a thing of sin?

Mikorlias of Imardeavia

If God had intended for people to wear clothes, He would have created them. Since He did not, they are obviously not part of His plan for us.

How about this issue: Say a guy gets an accidental erection whilst showering or other activities, what could be the ramifications of such an occurance in a unisex locker room? It is not unusual for accidental erections to occur.

How about this issue: Say a guy gets an accidental erection whilst showering or other activities, what could be the ramifications of such an occurance in a unisex locker room? It is not unusual for accidental erections to occur.

Well, it's only a problem if people made a problem of it.

Well, it's only a problem if people made a problem of it.


Well it could be quite embarassing as I am sort of big down there. I wouldn't want to poke any eyes out.

Well it could be quite embarassing as I am sort of big down there. I wouldn't want to poke any eyes out.

How considerate of you. :)

so... being naked in the same room with a whole lot of members of the opposite sex is not sexual?

No. There is nothing inherently sexual about nudity. Sexual is in intent and action. As such any state or lack of dress can be equally sexual or not. And I have yet to meet any person who views all -or even most members- of their preferred gender in a sexual light.

and all the people going on abou "Oh its too sexual" thats the whole reason that this room is being set up, so that you get used to it, so that nudity is not sexual, if we have children growing up seeing that nudity is acceptable in a non-sexual context than they is a good chance that they won't grow up into rapists and sexual predators

What if you want nudity to be sexual?

I don't really feel like being naked in front of every woman on the planet. For me being naked with someone of the other sex is an intimate thing.

How would showering in a room with the opposite sex reduce the occurance of rapists? Rapists don't rape because they see someone nude and immediately asusme it is sexual.

Why do we want mixed changing rooms? What do we gain?

Can you imagine high school trips to the swimming pool :( and primary/intermediate age!

Getting changed was dreaded enough with just the boys there (I was chubby at the time) I can't imagine the horror at having all the girls there too.

Would be even worse for the girls. 13-15 year old boys in a change room with all the girls...

Craig

Why do we want mixed changing rooms? What do we gain?

We stop people from being hung up about sex and sexuality?

How considerate of you. :)

Thank you (http://www.startupbiz.com/Services/Thumbs-up.gif)

Any of you ever seen the movie starship troopers?
That movie had uni-sex showers and it didn't seem to be a problem.

of course the planet was also being bombarded by meteors sent by a race of intelligent insects millions of light years away. So what is my point?


The majority of people in our culture simply will not stand for something as....
....open. Remember that, unfortunately, our roots are puritan in origin and not by choice I assure you.
However
If you are going to have uni-sex showers that is fine with me just remember to put a condom dispenser next to the soap dispenser (just in case)

I wouldn't mind it so much, although i'd hate to be the guy who pops an erection at the site of an attractive woman. That would be embarassing. :headbang:

Every time i've been naked around attractive women and had an erection the last thing i felt was embarresed

Remember that, unfortunately, our roots are puritan in origin and not by choice I assure you.Technically, its Greek in origin. And they had little problem with public nudity.

sorry bungeria
I was refering to the pilgrims who came here long after the greek philosophy of sex had given way to the christian idea of sin

I wouldn't mind it so much, although i'd hate to be the guy who pops an erection at the site of an attractive woman. That would be embarassing. :headbang:

Why? If anything, it should be a compliment.

Surely this is onbly seen as an issue in America, where puritanical views dominate issues on nudity and somehow link them to sexuality.

In Toronto, most community swimming pools have three change / shower rooms (male, female and mixed/family). This allows parents or large groups to use changerooms together and eliminates the embarrasing problem of a mother having to drag her 8 year old boy into the ladies changeroom. (Toronto also has a his= hers law that allows female toplessness wherever male toplessness is permitted, but that is another debate).

It has been proven time and again that an increase in exposure to casual nudity of a non-sexual nature is more beneficial to humans on a social context (and particularly children) than the separation on gender bases. Additionally, in today's society it can be difficult to define the gender of all the people in society. The best thing we can do is move toward the separation of nudity and sexuality by encouraging casual nudity. This will probably (within a generation or two) drastically reduce the incidence of child sexual predation by fixing a lot of the hangups people have. An examination of the incidence of sexual assaults and predation at nudist resorts shows a much lower rate of such violence than within the general population!

Peace through the unchaining liberation of humans from attire,
Ideologystan!

Being a member of the hung jury and having accidental erections is a cross I (http://moustache-database.freeservers.com/silverscreen/holmes.jpg) have to bear.

I may be one of only a few who can honestly say this but
I've been naked in public(semi-public) on numerous occasions and while i was quite comfortable with the situation others were not soo comfortable\
most people just aren't that open and accepting...of themselves

I'll tackle them individually...

I don't really like the idea of that. I'm quite shy on being naked around other people. Being naked around girls would make me feel even more nervous. Which is a valid, completely acceptible stance. Here's the thing: it's a community center, not a public school. You are not, in any way, forced to attend or participate in this. It's entirely up to you if you go or not, so your freedoms are protected.

Plus I'm a Christian and the Bible is against that kind of stuff. Upon this point, I call BS. I'm sure it could turn into a giant theological debate, but it's not going to, because much like bible thumpers, my mind is very clear on this, and no christian fairytales will change it:

To the best of my recollection (it's been some years, I'll admit a chance for inaccuracy), Adam & Eve didn't cover themselves until after the whole eating of the apple thing, the "sin" of acquiring knowledge (and the root of that whole 'ignorance is bliss' statement.. which apparently means being stupid and compliant is good according to the people in charge).. Now, some many years later, Our Buddy J.C. (whose middle name could be Herbert for all I know) gets nailed to a big wooden cross.. and we are told "Jesus died for our sins".

Well, if through 'Him' our sins are forgiven, then there is no shame, and no reason to require clothing (hell, you even have to remove your hat 'before the Lord', disrobing in his presence!) other than being prudes.

all i was doing was engaging in conversation
nothing more

Any of you ever seen the movie starship troopers?
That movie had uni-sex showers and it didn't seem to be a problem. True, and likely very easy to believe.. if you remain aware that the book, and I believe the movie, had them based in Brazil.. we just got a buncha whitebread actors on screen. Not that I mind.. Mmm.. Dina Meyer..

which one was dina meyer?

acctually it was Buenos aires
argentina

I'm somewhat worried about the children... wont someone please think of the children?

I thought the biggest problem was that some people may be thinking of the children.

To the OP:

No I do not see a problem with it. Though, it sounds more like tv than real life.

which one was dina meyer?

The fabulously hot red head.

hell yeah
she blew charlie sheen's wife out of the water
she should have survived instead

acctually it was Buenos aires
argentina

Technically, it was neither. The 'shower scene' occured when they were in basic training, which was outside of Buenos Aires, which got destroyed while they were there. I believe the BTF was somewhere in the US, but not sure, it could have been anywhere in the Federation, and it's been a long time since I read the book (and the movie doesn't say).

hell yeah
she blew charlie sheen's wife out of the water
she should have survived instead

If only...

Being naked is my natural state. I was born naked. I get naked at least once a day. I try to spend at least 20 minutes naked each day. Often this also coincides with my shower time. But sometimes I engage in extracurricular nakedness. ANd often it's for the entertainment and/or startlement of others.

Naked changing rooms, hell. I'd like to see an all naked gym. I think it would be entertaining as well as instructional. *nod*

Being naked is my natural state. I was born naked. I get naked at least once a day. I try to spend at least 20 minutes naked each day. Often this also coincides with my shower time. But sometimes I engage in extracurricular nakedness. ANd often it's for the entertainment and/or startlement of others.

Naked changing rooms, hell. I'd like to see an all naked gym. I think it would be entertaining as well as instructional. *nod*


I have to agree with lunatic
its just too bad that there are soo few of us

I don't see any problem with it. Again, other countries do have communal changing rooms. Now personally I wouldn't do this just because changing in front of a lot of strange men and women would be a little weird to me. After a while I would get used to it, but I am a little shy. As well, I do think there needs to be something done for the children but the others it is cool. If you don't like it or don't feel comfortable about it, don't go.

"You put a naked woman around a bunch of naked men,
and she's eventually going to be raped. Especially in a
Community Center."

Rape is not about sex, it's about violence.

"You put a naked woman around a bunch of naked men,
and she's eventually going to be raped. Especially in a
Community Center."

Rape is not about sex, it's about violence.


What is that supposed to mean?
men are inherently violent?
Since i am a man and not particularly violent
i must disagree with you

"You put a naked woman around a bunch of naked men,
and she's eventually going to be raped. Especially in a
Community Center."

Rape is not about sex, it's about violence.


NO i'm sorry i'm gonna have to go one step futher than disagreement
that is just plain dumb
did you even think about how that sounded before you wrote it

Technically, it was neither. The 'shower scene' occured when they were in basic training, which was outside of Buenos Aires, which got destroyed while they were there. I believe the BTF was somewhere in the US, but not sure, it could have been anywhere in the Federation, and it's been a long time since I read the book (and the movie doesn't say).

In the book, base camp was in the Colorado Rockies, IIRC.

That being said, you can't really compare Starship Troopers the book to Starship Troopers the movie. Paul Voerhoven can say whatever the hell he wants, but his movie was Starship Troopers in name only.

*shakes his head, remembering "Juan 'Johnny' Rico", a native Phillipino, played by Caspar Van Dien*

What is that supposed to mean?
men are inherently violent?
Since i am a man and not particularly violent
i must disagree with you

He didn't write the part in quotation marks. It's his way of quoting something from earlier in the thread. Page one, to be exact.

All he is doing is replying to it by saying that Rape is not about sex. It's about violence. Which is true.

So unless you're a rapist who does it for the sex, I don't think you have the right to disagree with him. Only male rapists are covered in his statement. Not all men in general.

He didn't write the part in quotation marks. It's his way of quoting something from earlier in the thread. Page one, to be exact.

All he is doing is replying to it by saying that Rape is not about sex. It's about violence. Which is true.

So unless you're a rapist who does it for the sex, I don't think you have the right to disagree with him. Only male rapists are covered in his statement. Not all men in general.


Oh, misunderstanding

Oh, misunderstanding

These things happen. YOur punishment is to be in a changing room with three naked men. ;)

i do belive that same-sex showers are wrong because of all the things that could happen to unwilling ppl. but the thing is i also think its not that bad of an idea because its not like if i were to walk in to that room and a guy would be changing i would just have rape him. one i wouldnt really want to, two how could u with all the ppl around someone would be bound to see and call the cops for public exposior and what-not, and three most ppl in this world arnt that sick.

These things happen. YOur punishment is to be in a changing room with three naked men. ;)

BEEN THERE DONE THAT
it called boarding school

"You put a naked woman around a bunch of naked men,
and she's eventually going to be raped. Especially in a
Community Center."

You put a naked woman around a bunch of monkeys forever and she'll eventually get raped. What the hell is your point?

i do belive that same-sex showers are wrong because of all the things that could happen to unwilling ppl. .. So you oppose the YMCA showers then, yes? Those are same-sex showers.

We're talkin about uni-sex, good citizen. The only thing I'm concerned about is the severe drop in self esteem that will accompany most males visits. They look around, even casually, and some of the less open-minded ladies will surely say something, or delivery an unpleasant look, which just demoralizes them completely. That's the only downside I see.

.. well, that and the 400lb hairy fat naked guy. (or worse.. his opposite gendered counterpart)

Now there's an image nobody needed.

Our local swimming baths (and a few others I've been to) has unisex changing rooms. With individual cubicles so no-one sees anyone else naked, same sex or other. Perhaps this is the kind of arrangement the original post was referrring to?

Rape is not about sex or nudity. Rape is about power/control, and the taking away of another persons power.

Nudity has nothing to do with sex, apart from you need to expose some of your bits in order to have sex.

Same sex changing rooms would not be for me, but that is only because of personal shyness and embarrassment.

One of my friends does naturist holidays. She reckons that there is nothing less sexy than a large group of people wandering around naked with bits and bobs drooping or dangling. The fact that everyone is naked puts them all in the same boat and it ceases to be anything of interest after a short while. Journalists have written articles along the same line. I have read a few of them, and the journalist were not keen to disrobe at the beginning, but once they did, they did not feel remotely sexy.
And as for the bible, well I am Roman Catholic and I dont EVER remember reading the bit where it says "dont take your clothes off in public"

True, but guys will be more tempted to do it, and it will be easier for them to.
I disagree. They would be in a room with both other men and other women. It would probably be harder for them to get away with, actually, because the other occupants of the room would stop them. It's also not like all the women in the changing room would be hot or young. Lots of middle aged moms and eldery women too.

Nudity is not inherently sexual. Personally, I don't think that public nudity should be taboo. It's ridiculous, the way that people veiw nudity in the states. The whole "think of the children" arguement against doesn't hold up. Kids don't have as much a sense for social taboo, so they wouldn't be embarrassed or scarred by the experience. They would just be more acclimated to the concept of nudity, instead of viewing it as an exclusively sexual thing.

Now, what about the perverts? Perverts who get off by seeing naked members of the opposite sex. Well, there's really not a whole hell of a lot you can do about that. So seeing your naked body gives them sexual thoughts. So what? Why do you care? You can't control what people think. So long as they don't do anything about it, and it seems unlikely that they would, how does it affect you? It also seems like it would be considered extremely impolite to ogle people or come on to them in a unisex shower. So why do you care? Are people really that uncomfortable with their own bodies?

I don't consider this any different from outdoor nudism.

I believe that unisex, for better or for worse, is the future. Unisex has been adopted a long time ago in many cultures (such as famous African tribes) without becoming too much of a problem.

Outdoor nudism is almost entirely positive. Outdoor nude beaches in, say, Scandinavia have proven that. Of course there are perverts, but there are perverts in mono-sex showers, too. Should they be abolished because you risk having a pedophile or a lesbian look at you? Nope.

"You put a naked woman around a bunch of naked men,
and she's eventually going to be raped. Especially in a
Community Center."
Yeah, one naked woman might be likely to be raped. I don't believe that anyone would rape someone in front of a whole shower room, but OK. But what about an amount of women with an equal amount of men -which is what this scenario is!-? Also, I find it extremely offensive that you think that just because I'm male, I'll eventually rape a woman just because she gets naked in front of me :mad: . If that wasn't what you meant.. apology rejected: Think before you post next time. If that was what you meant... well, have a bloody guess :rolleyes: .

It should of course be pressed, however, that going fully unisex is totally out of the question today. Seeing that there are people with certain issues (like myself), I'd prefer it if there were also one-person locker rooms/showers at the same installations. Or at least changing booths (apart from bathrooms directly attached to the shower ;) ).

Rape is not about sex, it's about violence.
Wrong. It's not about sex or violence. Having studied the subject, I can tell you it's about a feeling of power. Rapists rape because it gives them a feeling of power to attack someone that way.

True, but guys will be more tempted to do it, and it will be easier for them to.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Raping someone in a shower room in front of two dozen people? You must be out of your mind.. :rolleyes:

Here's an interesting tidbit: Nudity is only arousing when it's pornographic -that is, when it's meant to be arousing.

Here in Norway, IKEA (a successful International build-em-yourself furniture company) advertises using female "rear nudity". One of the posters features a view of a crop field from inside a car. Outside of the car, leaning towards it, is a girl naked from the waist and down. There's nothing threatening about the picture in any way and it's not considered pornographic. And although it sparked some debate, it's now everywhere advertisements normallly are. That includes three metres wide-two metres tall posters on walls.

Of course harrassment (spelling?) will happen! But hey.. that happens everywhere (ever had your ass pinched in public ;) ?). And it's far less likely that it'll happen in locker rooms and showers. I've never even heard of incidents like that.

The whole "think of the children" arguement against doesn't hold up.
Having grown up in a culture where bringing small children into the opposite sex's locker room and showers is part of life, I couldn't agree more. I've yet to see one piece of evidence that proves me wrong.

All opponents to "unisexism" ;) have one thing in common: You make rational arguments based on psychology. Fair enough, but when there is evidence that you're wrong, that overrides psychology.

And as for the bible, well I am Roman Catholic and I dont EVER remember reading the bit where it says "dont take your clothes off in public"
Quoted applauded by Yours Truly. :)

[Link] (http://www.museumsnett.no/vigelandmuseet/2parken/2d_broen/images/sinnataggen_stor.jpg) Famous Norwegian statue. Nudity portrayed in statues is very common in Scandinavia. However, if it arouses you, you belong to a very small minority.

[Link] (www.ikea.no) IKEA link mentioned above. Slogan: "Find a sofa that suits your butt". The browser I was trying to link to is accessible by clicking on the image in the bottom left. Also, a pop-up add will appear with the said content, so you should find what I meant to link to.

Disclaimer: Since this is a debate, and the content linked to is not pornographic, I posted it despite forum rules. However, I'd be happy to remove them myself if a moderator tells me to.

NO i'm sorry i'm gonna have to go one step futher than disagreement
that is just plain dumb
did you even think about how that sounded before you wrote it
actually, what he wrote is just plain RIGHT. rape is about power, aggression, and violence, and rarely has anything at all to do with sex. countless studies have proven that the attractiveness of a female has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on her likelihood of being raped, and that rapists virtually NEVER report being specifically attracted to the woman they attacked. they want to hurt, to demean, to dominate, and they simply choose to use their penises to do this...it's not about sex in the slightest, other than the fact that sex parts are used in the attack. saying that rape is about sex is like saying that a fistfight is about friendly hugging, simply because the same body parts are involved in a hug as are involved in a fight.

Sounds quite Japanese

As far as christian religion... anyone remember what Noah did when he finished unloading all the animals? He planted Grapes, Got Drunk, and passed out in the nude. One of his sons noticed, brought it up to his fellow brothers, and an older son covered Noah up as he slept. Noah woke up later, saw he was covered, and got so angry he cursed his YOUNGER son.

Now, this is from a time when God and Noah were pretty tight, them bein on speaking terms and all. So Nudity can't be all THAT bad (neither can public drunkeness aparently).
that's a matter for debate. I haven't heard any Jewish or Muslim stories involving the prophet Noah getting drunk.

"You put a naked woman around a bunch of naked men,
and she's eventually going to be raped. Especially in a
Community Center."

You put a naked woman around a bunch of monkeys forever and she'll eventually get raped. What the hell is your point?

Only if they don't have typewriters.

In which case they'll write a Shakespeare story. Propabilities are fun! ;)

See, I'm against it because I am uncomfortable about my body at times, having been quite self deprecative in the past.

That and...well, look, if we arn't even allowed to have Justice show a little nip, what makes you think THIS'LL pass?!

I remember reading it in a CNN article a year ago. And criteria?!?! It's Brazil for crying out loud!!!!
I don't know much about Brazil. Why are the people there so genetically blessed? Is it because of the high degree of racial mixing?

How about this issue: Say a guy gets an accidental erection whilst showering or other activities, what could be the ramifications of such an occurance in a unisex locker room?
Other than slight embarrassment, I don't think there would be any serious consequences.

I am for it. When I was a young kid, I was always shy and didn't like to ever have to change in public locker rooms. For some reason though that went away... now I'm more than happy to do whatever I feel like naked. Unisex facilities would encourage people to be more like the me nowadays and not shy or reserved about themselves, and their bodies.

there really isnt a problem, if you're not comfortable being in such a situation, they you have the right to go to another public restroom--such as the older ones.

Any of you ever seen the movie starship troopers?
That movie had uni-sex showers and it didn't seem to be a problem.

of course the planet was also being bombarded by meteors sent by a race of intelligent insects millions of light years away. So what is my point?

That people are less concerned with nudity when they're under attack from a race of intelligent insects/aliens? :D

Technically, its Greek in origin. And they had little problem with public nudity.
:confused:

Yeah that certainly clears up the whole thing with nude athletes in the original Olympic Games, partially nude statues, naked people on Greek vases..............

"You put a naked woman around a bunch of naked men,
and she's eventually going to be raped. Especially in a
Community Center."

You put a naked woman around a bunch of monkeys forever and she'll eventually get raped. What the hell is your point?

Obviously explaining it to you wouldn't help as you
lack the intelligence to understand blunt meaning.

Other than slight embarrassment, I don't think there would be any serious consequences.

Yeah, I'd just say "oopsy" and carry on with whatever I was doing.

Recently, a community centre in my city has opened a unisex shower/change room.. It has been met with lots of comments, both good and bad. Personally, I don't see the good in this. It is wrong on many different levels, but what's your opinion?

Yes... you heard me right in case you're a little confused about this, men, women, children and teenagers all changing in the same room.

The essential role of this thread is to present a controversial issue which people will argue about... if it gets to sixteen pages, I'll be very happy, so please, be very thourough in your responses.

Well, personally, I would NEVER use a "unisex" shower/change room. But if other people want to I'm not stopping them. The only problem I can see is if a guy who was not gay or a woman who was not lesbian going in there just to see the opposite gender without any clothing on, when I doubt that is the purpose.

Obviously explaining it to you wouldn't help as you
lack the intelligence to understand blunt meaning.
honeybunny, he understood you just fine. he was pointing out that you were drawing an illogical conclusion. if you need help understanding what people are saying then just ask and i'm sure there will be many kind folks willing to break down the discussion for you...there's no need to resort to insults to get attention.

Good Idea if and only if gender specific or whatever is PC is also offered. I think the major problem is that eentually some teenagers are going to fool around in there. Then what do you do?

Good Idea if and only if gender specific or whatever is PC is also offered. I think the major problem is that eentually some teenagers are going to fool around in there. Then what do you do?

fool around? in front of a bunch of other people? I doubt that would happen. Even if they did, oh well. Teenagers will always find places to fool around. Always have, always will.

Each to his/her own. I wouldn't use them, but, I think they should be able to construct a changeroom. And on several Islands up here (Gulf Islands in BC Canada) there are large hippie populations. It loses its novelty after, say, half an hour.

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good discussion, four more pages until this thread reaches sixteen... keep on discussing, all of you. Myself, I've gotten kind of bored with this thread...
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In which case they'll write a Shakespeare story. Propabilities are fun! ;)

Porn more likely.