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Most americans would be pwned after about 30 seconds of combat in Iraq. If there is a draft, I won't enlist, but if there is no draft, I'll enlist. I don't want to be next to any draftee in combat.

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Most americans would be pwned after about 30 seconds of combat in Iraq. If there is a draft, I won't enlist, but if there is no draft, I'll enlist. I don't want to be next to any draftee in combat.

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Kahta, I live near you.

The Americans that would be drafted will mostly be nerds and idiots (I'm more nerd) and would get killed in milliseconds. It takes guts and good training and most of all, desire to fight to be a good soldier.

I'm not enlisting. Iraq is not for me, my friend. I would do well in combat, probably because my father teaches me all his Aghan War secrets.

We all realize that we are NOT in any immediate danger of a draft... right?

I though kerry wanted to reinstate the Draft though? He keeps on talking about how there is no choice given the manpower shortage.

Well then if you want to avoid the draft then you'd better not vote democrat!

Look who is behind the bills that mention the draft.. Democrats ALL!

Kerry has a plan to conscript (non-military) the youth of America, check out his "first 100 days" (of socialist tyrananny IMHO!)

The Republicans are not brilliant but they voting for them will help keep what is left of individual rights in America from the coerced collectivists who have emerged like a cancer in the democrat party. :gundge:

i cant tell whether the website is trying to do.
Where does it stand? Is it for the draft or against it? I am confused.

Well then if you want to avoid the draft then you'd better not vote democrat!

Look who is behind the bills that mention the draft.. Democrats ALL!

Kerry has a plan to conscript (non-military) the youth of America, check out his "first 100 days" (of socialist tyrananny IMHO!)

The Republicans are not brilliant but they voting for them will help keep what is left of individual rights in America from the coerced collectivists who have emerged like a cancer in the democrat party. :gundge:


the democrats put forth the draft bill, knowing it wont get passed, because they want to scare people into voting against bush. good plan, IMO.

Ahh guys.

If you dogged Kerry, he enlisted.

An ex-chancellor of Berkeley was drafted and he went to Nam with the S.E.A.L.s

My buddy was drafted and he did two tours with the Rangers.

You can't judge how a person will fight because they were drafted or not.

i cant tell whether the website is trying to do.
Where does it stand? Is it for the draft or against it? I am confused.

this website tries to stay non-partisan
people are for and against a draft (mostly against)
because crackpot democrats are trying to scre people from bush when they, democrats created the bill
they are really f*cked up

the democrats put forth the draft bill, knowing it wont get passed, because they want to scare people into voting against bush. good plan, IMO.

So the republicans should put forward a bill confiscating private property to scare people into voting republican?

I think the authors of the draft bill, rangel in particular, were serious about it.

Well then if you want to avoid the draft then you'd better not vote democrat!

Look who is behind the bills that mention the draft.. Democrats ALL!

Kerry has a plan to conscript (non-military) the youth of America, check out his "first 100 days" (of socialist tyrananny IMHO!)

The Republicans are not brilliant but they voting for them will help keep what is left of individual rights in America from the coerced collectivists who have emerged like a cancer in the democrat party. :gundge:

It was proposed by a republican in the south.

the democrats put forth the draft bill, knowing it wont get passed, because they want to scare people into voting against bush. good plan, IMO.

A very good, effective plan. Low, slimy... but that's to be expected. It's politics.

for one who doesn't want to help their country. and another thing if Kerry says Bush can't keep from reinstating the draft then how will Kerry be able to avoid it? :confused:

the democrats put forth the draft bill, knowing it wont get passed, because they want to scare people into voting against bush. good plan, IMO.

Precisely. It's a scare tactic, and a damn good one at that. It scares the less informed voters into thinking that Congress is freaking out and trying to draft people, where in fact Congress is just fiddling with itself :p

Kerry wants to increase the Army's numbers by 40,000, not reinstate the draft. I don't know where you're getting that 'fact' but it's misinformation at best.

Edit/PS. If there's a draft, haul ass and go to a recruiter if you are afraid your number is going to come up. You get (a little) more freedom to choose what you do.

It was proposed by a republican in the south.

Do you have evidence of that? Every single source I've ever seen or heard says it was a Democrat.

Do you have evidence of that? Every single source I've ever seen or heard says it was a Democrat.
From New York no less...

It was proposed by a republican in the south.


Charles Rangel (D-NY) is hardly a southern republican.

for one who doesn't want to help their country. and another thing if Kerry says Bush can't keep from reinstating the draft then how will Kerry be able to avoid it? :confused:

That was entirely incoherent.

From what I got out of it: Involuntary servitude with possibly lethal consequences is not my idea of helping the country.

And I totally did not get the second part.

Even though it was only democrats that support it? Sounds like political suicide. God willing, they (the Dems that support it) won't be re-elected.

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Most americans would be pwned after about 30 seconds of combat in Iraq. If there is a draft, I won't enlist, but if there is no draft, I'll enlist. I don't want to be next to any draftee in combat.

http://www.enjoythedraft.com/

The picture = teh funny
The website = teh funny

I give you 9 thumbs up.

Yeah...thats an awesome quote in the pic :D

The website is b*llshit though

Drafting time?

But wait - I don't have AutoCAD or MicroStation on my comp! Lol j/k

We all realize that we are NOT in any immediate danger of a draft... right?

Nope.
This comes up about once a week here. It's shown to be wrong. Then the issue dissappears for a week. And then it pops right back up with the exact same arguments.
Obviously the scare tactics of "my opponent will be forced to re-introduce conscription" are working.
:rolleyes:

Nope.
This comes up about once a week here. It's shown to be wrong. Then the issue dissappears for a week. And then it pops right back up with the exact same arguments.
Obviously the scare tactics of "my opponent will be forced to re-introduce conscription" are working.
:rolleyes:

I agree, apparently the exact details of all previous conscription acts in American history are a mystery to a lot of people, especially in this thread.

It was proposed by a republican in the south.
You got the part about the South right, but it was a Democrat, Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (D-SC) who sponsored the bill in the Senate.

Sorry, no partial credit.

Ahh guys.

If you dogged Kerry, he enlisted.

An ex-chancellor of Berkeley was drafted and he went to Nam with the S.E.A.L.s

My buddy was drafted and he did two tours with the Rangers.

You can't judge how a person will fight because they were drafted or not.

Kerry enlisted in the naval RESERVES because he did not want to be drafted into the ARMY where his chances of dying were considerably higher. Unfortunately for him 1) his unit got mobilized 2) the cake walk he was given upon arrival in Vietnam(patrol boat) went from the safest job to the most dangerous. Kerry did not enlist because he wanted to a be a career military person.

I am not sure exactly what all Naval personel do, but in time of war and draft, enlisting in the Navy sounds like a good option when fighting against a country that has no navy.

edit: severe typo. Survival chances were considerably higher in the NAVY NOT the ARMY. I dont know how that one slipped through.

edit2: this is true for swift boat vets prior to the docterine change where they were required to do river patrol duty.

It was proposed by a republican in the south.

When did Charly Rangel become a Republican from the South?

It is entirely possible that I am missing some salient facts, but I think you are just pulling crap out of your ass.

Even though it was only democrats that support it? Sounds like political suicide. God willing, they (the Dems that support it) won't be re-elected.

Rangel will be re elected. Some voters dont care what their pols do as long as the gravy train keeps flowing.

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Kerry enlisted in the naval RESERVES because he did not want to be drafted into the ARMY where his chances of dying were considerably higher. Unfortunately for him 1) his unit got mobilized 2) the cake walk he was given upon arrival in Vietnam(patrol boat) went from the safest job to the most dangerous. Kerry did not enlist because he wanted to a be a career military person.

I am not sure exactly what all Naval personel do, but in time of war and draft, enlisting in the Navy sounds like a good option when fighting against a country that has no navy.

Actually, my dad was in the Vietnam War for several years, he said that he joined the navy because he had a better chance of survival than a G.I...He was sent on a PT boat and was sent up major rivers in engaging soldiers and capturing boats that were smuggling weapons into North Vietnam.......He wasn't out on a carrier or destroyer, he was 200 to 600 meters from the actual fighting....Someone on his boat was actually shot in the stomach during the Tet Offensive.....In his words, "I joined the navy to get away from Vietnam, but they still managed to **** me over"....

Actually, my dad was in the Vietnam War for several years, he said that he joined the navy because he had a better chance of survival than a G.I...He was sent on a PT boat and was sent up major rivers in engaging soldiers and capturing boats that were smuggling weapons into North Vietnam.......He wasn't out on a carrier or destroyer, he was 200 to 600 meters from the actual fighting....Someone on his boat was actually shot in the stomach during the Tet Offensive.....In his words, "I joined the navy to get away from Vietnam, but they still managed to **** me over"....

The docterine concerning swift boats changed after Kerry had made his choices about which branch he wanted to join and what he wanted to do in that branch.

But YES, your father's logic mirrors that of Kerry's. It was an unpopular war and there is no blame to be assigned(except for the draft dodgers who went to Canada and such because some other American had to fill the job they wouldnt take responsibility for).

Every survivor of that war deserves our respect. I just get pissed off when the dems call Kerry a war hero while in same sentance condemn Bush for a coward when they made exactly the same choices. The only differances in their military careers(like your fathers) stems from events outside their control.

edit: after re reading my original post, I realize why you posted.

What I meant to say was that his chances of survival in the NAVY was HIGHER than if he had been drafted and was in the ARMY. my mistake for such a typo