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The US currently supports dictatorships in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, Uzbeckistan and others. With this in mind, how can you claim the US is for freedom?

The US currently supports dictatorships in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, Uzbeckistan and others. With this in mind, how can you claim the US is for freedom?
The UK and France supported the rise of Nazi Germany. With this in mind, how can you say that any European's grandfather was not a Nazi sympthasizer?

The UK and France supported the rise of Nazi Germany. With this in mind, how can you say that any European's grandfather was not a Nazi sympthasizer?


Show me evidence to prove GB supported the nazsties!

The UN currently supports dictators in North Korea, Cuba, Kuwait, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and ethnic cleansing in multiple countries. Therefore, how can anyone hands be clean of blood? Also, I bet you support numerous immoral thing going on, whether intentionally or not.

The UK and France supported the rise of Nazi Germany. With this in mind, how can you say that any European's grandfather was not a Nazi sympthasizer?

Good point, though I'm talking about the US as a whole, not individuals who didn't necessary have a say in exactly what the government did.

The UK and France supported the rise of Nazi Germany. With this in mind, how can you say that any European's grandfather was not a Nazi sympthasizer?

France and Spain supported the revolt of the colonies in the Americas which led to the American Revolution and the eventual rise to power of the dictator Bush and his global terror network. Clearly the French and Spanish support El Supremo Bush in his bid for total world domination.

In reality, is the UN willing to help the US fight all these dictatorships? We choose our battles and we pick out the major tyrannical dictatorships. We dont endorse any of those countries, we challenge them whenever we can but new's flash, our country alone putting sanctions on these countries wont do crap to them, it'll just hurt our economy. So in truth, its not the US that endorses these countries, its the UN because in order to damage these dictatorships, we need international sanctions, but of course many of those dictatorships are part of the UN. "WHOOPS"

Show me evidence to prove GB supported the nazsties!
Ever heard of a man named Neville?

France and Spain supported the revolt of the colonies in the Americas which led to the American Revolution and the eventual rise to power of the dictator Bush and his global terror network. Clearly the French and Spanish support El Supremo Bush in his bid for total world domination.
Exactly. Down with stupid threads. I expected better of you Letila.

Letila, you already have a thread about this.

Ever heard of a man named Neville?

And you call that supporting Hitler do you? Twit.

The US currently supports dictatorships in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, Uzbeckistan and others. With this in mind, how can you claim the US is for freedom?

I can't and don't.

And you call that supporting Hitler do you? Twit.
Well, if tolerating the existence of Egypt is considered endorsing it, then by that logic appeasement should be the same as giving head.

Well, if tolerating the existence of Egypt is considered endorsing it, then by that logic appeasement should be the same as giving head.

I don't think you're using much logic at all. I have to tolerate the existance of rapists, doesn't mean I endorse or support them. Idiot.

Kerry wishes to continue supporting the oppressive dictatorships, but Bush has determined that they need to go.

... From that insight springs Bush's campaign to democratize the Middle East and his rejection of the old "realist" policy of tolerating oppressive regimes in the name of stability. "This approach brought little stability and much oppression," he has said, "so I have changed this policy."

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/10/28/radical_bush_vs_reactionary_kerry/


But then again, look at how much crap Bush got for trying to bust up the dictatorship in Iraq. Apparently the rest of the world is violently supportive of those dictatorships.

I don't think you're using much logic at all. I have to tolerate the existance of rapists, doesn't mean I endorse or support them. Idiot.
EXACTLY. The same thing could be said about the US.

EXACTLY. The same thing could be said about the US.

And?

And?
Are you really that dense? We don't support these dictatorships, we tolerate them.

EXACTLY. The same thing could be said about the US.
... and the rest of the world. We're not the only ones tolerating them, you know.

Letila, are you posting this shit again? Why?

So you listed a few more countries, big fucking deal! Get the fuck over it already!

How often do you post shit like this anyway?

Actually.....

During the Cold War we supported dictatorships in Latin America, you know, as long as they weren't under the Communist banner.

Actually.....

During the Cold War we supported dictatorships in Latin America, you know, as long as they weren't under the Communist banner.
And England and the colonies led a campaign to exterminate the Indians. The Germans tried to exterminate the Jews. No countries hands are clean, but you can't use the past to blame those in the present.

And England and the colonies led a campaign to exterminate the Indians. The Germans tried to exterminate the Jews. No countries hands are clean, but you can't use the past to blame those in the present.

But hey, that's the way the world is realpolitik, you gotta do what's best for the state.

The UK and France supported the rise of Nazi Germany. With this in mind, how can you say that any European's grandfather was not a Nazi sympthasizer?

You could make the point that any nation that turned up to the 1936 olympics obviously didn't care enough about what the Nazis were starting to do.

The UK and France supported the rise of Nazi Germany. With this in mind, how can you say that any European's grandfather was not a Nazi sympthasizer?
Two wrongs dont make a right. I think you will also find that Europe has learnt from some of its mistakes.

I find it funny that because we arent marching on a great crusade to exterminate all dictatorships, that the dictatorships we arent fighting we are all of a sudden endorsing because we arent beating them senseless. "OOOOH why arent you going to war with them, they are dictators!" How many people do you think we have in our country? We cant fight everywhere and anywhere, we fight where the terrorists are known to be hiding and where the worst of the worst of tyrants are (and without a doubt Saddam was the worst in our age).

We hear how terrorists were never in iraq before the war......yea sure whatever. We drew the battlelines away from our country, we are trying to free an oppressed people and making a coalition battleline for freedom and terrorism. We fight for the freedom of the iraqi and Afghan people while fighting against terrorism, hitting two birds with one stone. Terrorists are a limited organization, not a political government, not overly coordinated, a group here, a group there, now we fight them on a battlefront of our choosing and giving an oppressed people a "third" chance to claim their freedom they rightly deserve as any other human on earth.

How often do you post shit like this anyway?

Everyday. This is at least his third thread in the past month discussing this topic.

Two wrongs dont make a right. I think you will also find that Europe has learnt from some of its mistakes.
Except France still supports Saddam.

I find it funny
We hear how terrorists were never in iraq before the war......yea sure whatever. We drew the battlelines away from our country, we are trying to free an oppressed people and making a coalition battleline for freedom and terrorism. We fight for the freedom of the iraqi and Afghan people while fighting against terrorism, hitting two birds with one stone. Terrorists are a limited organization, not a political government, not overly coordinated, a group here, a group there, now we fight them on a battlefront of our choosing and giving an oppressed people a "third" chance to claim their freedom they rightly deserve as any other human on earth.

You want it both ways. 'Drawing the battle lines away' from you yet 'fighting for the freedom of Iraqis and Afghans'. Here's some news for you. They don't want us.
'terrorists were never in iraq before the war......yea sure whatever'. Well that sums up your knowledge of the situation. Thanks to Senor Bush, there are thousands more people dedicated against all thing American. When people finally decide to overthrow an evil regime, they will do it. Democracy of any worth is never imposed. We may well be grateful that the butcher Sadaam is gone but this was a personal war on behalf of the neo-cons. It certainly hasn't enhanced world peace or the future of it.

Except France still supports Saddam.
Saddam bought them off during the Food for Oil days. He was a gravy train for them, and they're very unhappy we spoiled their little cash cow.

And England and the colonies led a campaign to exterminate the Indians. The Germans tried to exterminate the Jews. No countries hands are clean, but you can't use the past to blame those in the present.

Oh no you don't. White Americans tried to wipe out indigenous Americans. You carry that burden of guilt alone.

Saddam bought them off during the Food for Oil days. He was a gravy train for them, and they're very unhappy we spoiled their little cash cow.

I seem to remember a certain Mister Rumsfeld being quite chummy with the bastard too.

I seem to remember a certain Mister Rumsfeld being quite chummy with the bastard too.

Correct. Look up 'Saddam Hussein' on Wikipedia's website, scroll down, and you'll find a picture of them shaking hands.

You want it both ways. 'Drawing the battle lines away' from you yet 'fighting for the freedom of Iraqis and Afghans'. Here's some news for you. They don't want us.
'terrorists were never in iraq before the war......yea sure whatever'. Well that sums up your knowledge of the situation. Thanks to Senor Bush, there are thousands more people dedicated against all thing American. When people finally decide to overthrow an evil regime, they will do it. Democracy of any worth is never imposed. We may well be grateful that the butcher Sadaam is gone but this was a personal war on behalf of the neo-cons. It certainly hasn't enhanced world peace or the future of it.

Peace doesnt come quickly, especially in places that were war-torn before we even got there. "If you want peace, prepare for war" quote from Sun Tzu and used by many thereafter. Iraqi's wanted freedom, unfortuntaely thousands of Iraqi freedom fighters were executed after the Gulf War when we left Saddam in power thanks to UN involvement. So i can see why they are a bit more timid to help us this time around. Afghanistan is extremely happy we are there, especially the women who were treated like dirt for centuries. First Afghan voter was a 19 year old women, thats freedom if you knew islamic tradition. Peace wont come without a fight, especially with extremists around, the world before was the calm before the storm, welcome to our world, we stirred up the hornets nest but now we can hit them where it hurts for once. In the past we took terrorists attacks trivially and denounced them, but never went further, we never took the offensive against them, now they are and they want to do as much damage before they go down.

I don't think you're using much logic at all. I have to tolerate the existance of rapists, doesn't mean I endorse or support them. Idiot. do you try to help them do the raping?...do you give them Weapons?...

Because America does try to help them(Pupet dictators)...by giving them money and weapons...

do you try to help them do the raping?...do you give them Weapons?...

Because America does try to help them(Pupet dictators)...by giving them money and weapons...

My point precisely.

1) unfortuntaely thousands of Iraqi freedom fighters were executed after the Gulf War when we left Saddam in power thanks to UN involvement.

2) welcome to our world, we stirred up the hornets nest but now we can hit them where it hurts for once. In the past we took terrorists attacks trivially and denounced them, but never went further, we never took the offensive against them, now they are and they want to do as much damage before they go down.

1) I think you'll find that those the US chooses to call insurgents, regard themselves as freedom fighters too. And the decision to incite the anti-Bathists and then dump them was a purely American series of acts. The UN had nothing to do with that.

2) Oh yes, a hornets nest has indeed been stirred up. But Senor Bush and his junta didn't plan for that, it was meant to be 'Thank you America, please stay and guide us to peace and democracy'. What actually came to pass was 'Thank you America, now will you please fuck off''.
"and they want to do as much damage before they go down"............see, that's where the Bush-fodder can't see the light for their heads up their nationalistic arses. The freedom fighters / terrorists ain't going nowhere buddy-boy. Thanks to the neo-con fascist, illegal invasion, these people are growing in numbers day by day. The Vietnam generation learned that you cannot impose your will anywhere with force. This dopey generation is insisting on learning all over again.

I found this website... And this is only a small part of this kind of thing. When measured alongside elected leaders assassinated it makes pretty shameful reading.
US-friendly dictators (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/dictators.html)