NationStates Jolt Archive

Kerry has done fantastically. He's polling inside the margin, and you won't find an expert from either side who predicts this race will be anything but a tossup. And when he won Iowa, we'd never heard of him. And before that, we saw seven democrats stand up, and we sighed and started looking at 2008. Now I know he wasn't every Democrat's first choice, and that's fair enough. He wasn't the most decisive, charming or liberal of the options during the primaries. But this guy has fought in one of the bloodiest election campaigns in living memory. He's missed a post-convention bounce, he's been attacked by the religious right, the NRA and Vietnam veterans on alternate days, he's even been attacked FOR being a Vietnam veteran, and with Karl Rove's sleaze machine and a media run by open supporters of his opponent... and look how far he's got. There's gotta be some kind of magic behind that. Win or lose tommorow, the boy done good. This is a man, and a campaign, that Democrats can be proud of.

I'm praying that he wins. God knows he deserves to.

Isn't it notoriously difficult to uproot the incumbent in the American voting system? I hope Bush doesn't get a second term. May pretzels take him!

Actually, he was quite well known before the primaries. He was a senator for three plus terms. He was also fairly notorious in the early seventies.

Actually, he was quite well known before the primaries. He was a senator for three plus terms. He was also fairly notorious in the early seventies.
*shrugs* I'd never heard of him at the time.

*shrugs* I'd never heard of him at the time.

Primary voters are usually the more partisan - they had heard of him, certainly. ;)

As for Kerry, I'll be certain to toast to him and wish him well in his retirement tomorrow night, and make sure to be cordial to my pro-Kerry colleagues, in keeping with the no-Gloating agreement. ;)

Isn't it notoriously difficult to uproot the incumbent in the American voting system? I hope Bush doesn't get a second term. May pretzels take him!

Hey, one term was good enough for daddy, it should be good enough for junior.

Of course you can say the same to Bush. Govenor of Texas against Vice President of an immensly popular president who really had no policy problems and yet Bush won. Also amazing.

Yeah Kerry has done really well. I am greedy though, (crosses fingers) win win win.

Actually, he was quite well known before the primaries. He was a senator for three plus terms. He was also fairly notorious in the early seventies.

*shrugs* I'd never heard of him at the time.
dude you didnt exist in the seventies so thats hardly surprisin;)

*shrugs* I'd never heard of him at the time.

Well, then you don't know very much about the US then.

Of course you can say the same to Bush. Govenor of Texas against Vice President of an immensly popular president who really had no policy problems and yet Bush won. Also amazing.

Yeah Kerry has done really well. I am greedy though, (crosses fingers) win win win.


not amazing... disgustng... its not to hard to win when you cheat.

Well, then you don't know very much about the US then.
Yeah, cos I'd not heard of one particular senator from Massachusetts, I'm completely ignorant :rolleyes:

It's a tossup election so I just tossed a coin. Heads up indicated Bush would win. That is my prediction, because my nickel said so.

not amazing... disgustng... its not to hard to win when you cheat.
So how did Gore lose in 2000?

So how did Gore lose in 2000?

...he was cheated out of it.

...he was cheated out of it.
So when Gore supporters bussed people to the polls and gave them friend chicken to vote "for whoever they wanted" that wasn't cheating?

So how did Gore lose in 2000?
That may actually have been the worst attempt at turnaround I've ever seen.

So when Gore supporters bussed people to the polls and gave them friend chicken to vote "for whoever they wanted" that wasn't cheating?
You know what? The election is tommorow, I don't have to answer these lazy, baseless accusations anymore.

And anyway, stay on topic.

So how did Gore lose in 2000?
That question dosen't make sense, you have to ask them how Bush cheated, at which point they offer something about a voter list scrub that wasn't applied in 20% of the Florida counties.

Yeah, cos I'd not heard of one particular senator from Massachusetts, I'm completely ignorant :rolleyes:


About US politics you obviously are.

After Liebermann he was probably the most recognizable of all the primary candidates. Kerry has been prominent in US national politics since the early seventies. Most notably for his opposition to Gulf War I, in 1991, where he was one of the few democrats to vote against it.

Your argument that Kerry was an unknown is like me saying. Wow look at Gordon Brown becoming prime-minister. Up until last week I'd never heard of him. Didn't he do good. :rolleyes:

Vote Bush! After all, you don't swap Horsemen in the middle of the Apocalypse!

Vote Bush! After all, you don't swap Horsemen in the middle of the Apocalypse!
I've heard that one before, its a good one.

About US politics you obviously are.

After Liebermann he was probably the most recognizable of all the primary candidates. Kerry has been prominent in US national politics since the early seventies. Most notably for his opposition to Gulf War I, in 1991, where he was one of the few democrats to vote against it.

Your argument that Kerry was an unknown is like me saying. Wow look at Gordon Brown becoming prime-minister. Up until last week I'd never heard of him. Didn't he do good. :rolleyes:
So, he rose to prominance... before I was born, and was an opponent to a thing that happened... when I was four.

I don't think your analogy is quite up to scratch.

Anyhow, before the primaries, Dean was set to sweep the board and Clark looked like a good bet for serious competion or VP, or that was my read of the landscape anyway. Certainly no-one was talking about Kerry on this site. But what the hell, feel free to paint me whatever way you like.

Well if no-one was talking about him on this site then he was obviously an unknown.

And actually, before the serious campaigning in the primaries began, Liebermann was the favorite after Gore declined to run. Dean became unexpectedly popular because of his anti-war stance, no one really saw that coming until it happened.

You really don't know anything about US politics do you?

Edit: I suppose you have heard of Ken Clarke, even though the bulk of his political career achievements are from before when you were born?

Vote Bush! After all, you don't swap Horsemen in the middle of the Apocalypse!

But the horse is drowning, we need a new one.

Congratulations to Senator Kerry as Spoffin says the boy done good.
Even more congratulations to President Bush who appears to have done even better :D

Kerry obviously didn't do that good.

My happy winner thread was locked :(