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ask me!

Hi. i am dr v. jones of the Commonwealth of terran Individualists, lkocated in the sunny pacific!

as you might have een from our webpage, we are a wonderful little country...orur main currency is the hug 9which explains our people's high satisfaction with a taxation rate -- 51 per cent- that would be outlandish in other countries -- and our national animal, which is the tree!

we are an unlikely nation of anarchists with almost no laws...we believe in a sort of ideal of 'an it harm none, do as thou wilt' and it has helped our nation thrive for lo, these many (22) days.

Today is our official State Holiday (although evey day is holy in the balmy and tropical and oh, so climatologically relaxing Comonwealth of terran Individualists), Jennifer Mccarthy's birthday!

we will celebrate as we do every day, but since i have the day off as the Chair of International relations, i thought i would help out the assembled and field questiopns about the CTI's political structure, which is no - socilaist anarchism!
I know, it says on the lead in page Democratic Socialist...we view that as a typo or a computer glitch or perhaps just a lack of understanding. but we are not socialists, rater rwe are free floating democrats.

we need few laws aside from what is in our Charter. 'do what you please as long is no one is hurt.' and i in my capacity as Chair of International relations would like to take this moment to answer any questions about anarchism that those assemble might have!

best to you,
dr v. jones
CTI International Relations

1. General is out of character.

2. An Anarchist 'Nation' is a contradiction in terms.

welcome conceptualists.
1. General is out of character.
what are you forcing me?)

2. An Anarchist 'Nation' is a contradiction in terms.
so?> contradictions exist.

just because something is dualistic, paradoxical or contradictory doesn't mean it isn't there.

but non anarchists almost always fail to have any understanding of anarchism. this is why they are called non-anarchist

hey -- isn't this thread called 'ask an anarchist' and not 'tell an anarchist'

best to you,
dr v jones
cmnwelth terran individualists.

welcome conceptualists.
1. General is out of character.
what are you forcing me?)

How can I, I have no idea where you live, and no power, therefore no leverage.

However, I have no desire to force you to answer a particular, just trying to be helpful and friendly.

2. An Anarchist 'Nation' is a contradiction in terms.
so?> contradictions exist

just because something is dualistic, paradoxical or contradictory doesn't mean it isn't there.

but non anarchists almost always fail to have any understanding of anarchism. this is why they are called non-anarchist

hey -- isn't this thread called 'ask an anarchist' and not 'tell an anarchist'

best to you,
dr v jones
cmnwelth terran individualists.
1. I am an Anarchist (you didn't expect to be the only one did you ;) )

I'll leave it there as I need to leave

What are your expectations of an anarchist nation?

and what do you think the crime rate will be without any order?

without any order?

you mean without any human imposed order, right?

we believe in a natural order of things that has always made man made impositins of forced order a joke and often not the funniest.
that is the epistemological error of the European Rennaisance -- imposing an order on a world that a universe that already has a smooth order - as smoove as day following night and the change of seasons. i don;'t expect there to be need to impose any orddr on a nation composed of people who all agree about what anarchism is. and that's not impossible either.


i will say it again -- and i will also say that a person who calls themself an anarchist and them asks leading questions designe to provoke a response -- well i hoep they liked the response.

i think that of course among peopel who wanted to loive in such a place imposition of laws would be unneccesary. those who take a dim view of human nature will say that laws are necessary and even go out of their way to egg others on -- to make it seem right. at least it has happened in thepast -- which is why we do not condione socialism.

anarchism -- or no government -- is the best form of government. and the Terran Individulaists Commonwealth is a Democratic anarchist society -- the idea being that when there are conflicts we talk until there is resolution.

in a nation that is NOT anarchist like the United States -- full of cycnics who have closed theirminds to thebloody struggle that started their country -- anarchists often have to be creative and even secretive to have their fun without having a statist rigorous and rigid doctrines forced upon them for their own good.

in such a manner police states create their own necessity and perhaps will for sopme time before they beocmne obsolete except as signppost of the past and what not to ever do again for balanced social living.

You know the Origin of the United States, right? bloody cruel and litereally atrociaous. people get deeply indoctrinated and even i hear tell that hey nmeed really rough psyops and propaganda to maintain people's belief in that country. who would want to live there?

it's also not about 'rebellion' which is the mentality that fake anarchists and socialists use to maintain their ongoing [permanent revolution states, their proletarian slave states. the so called proletarian is a slave and used by the enginbes of Socialism to prop up the boss caste. it's no fun but a lot of them -- most in fact, are decieved.

in a society where people agree consensually (ooh, ahh...consensueal) to the percepts of anarchism they will naturally create ways to find agreement and social harmony.

this is in part why the Commonwealth of Terran Independance emphasises humanity -- to drain racist goals from their power to decieve and milead we emophasise our exiustance a schilden of one earth, of one race, terrans, even if some of us are pale pinkish and others are berry brown and every shade inbetweemnm we are all Terrans, joined together for the common wealth and mutual goals of autonomy and the ability to live freely.


other nations have military police states and perhaps wpould not understand us. but we invite them to try. we anarchists believe that our way of living is pragmatic and sensibvle and good for human beings, and so we tend to distinguish ourselves from socialists -- who are known to be connected to totalitarians from the percepts of their stated philosophy -- on the left -- and from capitalists on the right who also depend on military industrail police statism and an overemp[phasis on unrewarding and joy draining labour to maintain their grip on power. In the Commonwealth people do what they want to and need to do.

did you notice what our currency was?

thanks! it was great to hear from you.

best,
dr v jones
Commonwealth of Terran individualists, International Realtions Chair

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for more insight into the chornic and perhaps insoluble problems
of the failing "Constitutional Republic" model now favored by most other countries please click here

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/118363.php

What are your expectations of an anarchist nation?

and what do you think the crime rate will be without any order?

i think that the crime rate will be very close to exactly zero.

and when there are crimes you can bet your bippy, hippy, that anarchodemocrats will be able to talk things out before too long. no manifesto necessary! no police state. so there are ferer people being stressed into working at jobs they hate.


our system works more towards nurturing people into finding the vocation that suits their temperment the best. if there's no one to do a task we look for ways to render that task obsolete rather than creating a slave caste. we reject all forms of caste - related occupational oppression completely.


best.
dr v jones
comonwealth of independent terrans, international relations chair

and what do you think the crime rate will be without any order?

law != order

Anarchists are (generally) opposed to the first, but not the latter.

nahh, you're wrog! (not in character.0 the laws of men are not to be confused with LOGOS which is the true order of things. governments without question only reprress and limit freedom -- this includes socialist governments (thos ekilled by stalin and hitler and icarcerated by Castro can't voice their disagreement.)

now gravity and light appear to pbey laws. that is the true order off the universe and many an anarchist has worn dark glasses to bend that law -- or painted windows black or simply drawn blinds to go back to sleep and evade Government.

so anyway nyaah.

Anarchy is an impossible government system. End of story.

ur terribly high aren't you?

I wonder if this "ask a ......" thread will spawn

so anyway fuck this game. whatever that means to you.

i mean fuck winning at it -- and fuck losing.
and fuck matster of orion, Fuck Avernum 1 through 12...and fuck NationStates. really...fuck computer games. It's FUN.



aren't games supposed to be fun?or is this a bunch of nerds squinting hard tryting to feel like big men so they can go drink bitter beer and hate themselves?

go for it or better yet --why not just jack out and jack off?(you probably will anyway...)

FUCK THIS GAME!
that's...why i stuck around; to actually stick a metaphysical, figurative, virtual filthy black BOOT into the actual ASS of this game. for fun.

you know...for "anarchy".

The Issue

The recent popularity of a science-fiction TV show has prompted calls for Terran Individualists to develop its own space program.
The Debate

1. "Don't tell me space colonies wouldn't be cool," says excited fifth-grade teacher Fleur Summers, still wearing big Spock ears from his last convention. "Think of how they would galvanize the national population! And there would also be some kind of scientific benefit, probably."
[Accept]

2. "The project certainly is feasible, but very expensive," says Terran Individualists Space Agency Head Colin Winters. "We could make it less of a burden on the taxpayers if we sought funding from private industry -- advertisements on the side of our rockets, selling contracts to the Arms Manufacturing industry, that kind of thing."
[Accept]

3. "If God had meant Man to fly, he would have given us solid rocket boosters instead of legs," says religious type Bill Rubin. "We should not be looking to the stars, but rather inside our own hearts. That's why we should abandon this so-called space program, and instead make the teaching of religion mandatory in all schools."
[Accept]

The Government Position

The government has yet to formalize a position on this issue.

If you wish, you may simply dismiss this issue.

This game is such unmoderated wildness -- great1 like -- i can do what i want within the peramerters. kick me out if you don't like it...

yes, definitely, dismiss the issue. our currency is the "hug', which is when you open your arms and love someone with your torso,. sometimes long time. oh yeah. so let them try and hug their way to venus. according to Seka and Tracey Lords it is NOT impossible. (am i playing yet?)the fun of anarchist philosophy applied for honesty and not to bend over for the reaming butt-plug of socialism is to appluy it later -- rationally -- a la heinlein -- in the actual world -- in discussions, journalism and of course at hardcore shows. with real giorls. you guys squinting at the screens -- you have SEEN real girls before. right?

they are the nicely bumpy things that smell better than you??

hmmm??

anyway -- the point is government BLOZE and takes away freedom via lies and tells people they can;'t live w9ithout it.

the equivalent is me getting a gun and putting on a red shirt and walking up to you and saying "tell me i am wearing a yellow shirt.'

being honest like most people you refuse or disagree. whereupon i, being s capitalist or socialist pig and a cop for the State -- shoot you in the fat part of your leg. :mp5:then i say "tell me I am wearing a yellow shirt."

i do it over and over again until you are dead. then i leave and find someone else. i start again. maybe my shirt is purple with a big exclaimation point on it i walk up to someone else and say 'tell me i am wering a yellow shirt with mickey mous on it." being a basic honest person you disagree. so i shoot you:mp5: in the fat part of your thigh. and then i say...

"i said, 'tell me I am wearing a yellow shirt with a mickey mouse on it!' or i will KILL you with my (military/industrail complex/death squad/trained killers for hire/proud patriots duped by the crap i have had my droogs tell them) gun."

capitalist and socialist governments do this and have always done nothing but this, ever since the people at mohenjo-daro said OH NO as the Aryan hordes came over the hill to make THEIR lives suck...capitalists and siclaists lie to get what they want -- which is others to trounce and dominate...ever since Constantine left mary magdalene on the cutting room floor so that the prince of peace could be on the bumper stickers of all the cars that RAN PEOPLE DOWN honked their horns and said "You're Christian now...bye-bye!" as they left with their young daughters...ever since alexander the great paraded all over the known world like a hairy legged Satyr straight out of history books or the last season of Frazier (apologies to David Hyde-Peirce, a man whose work i admire)...capitalists and socialists part of teh same statebuilder scam LIE to get WORLD POWWER so honestly i remain astanchly anarchist -- which means not a socialist -- they lied and copted anarchism like white man coopted the blues -- bb king and emma gold man could tell you about that much.



Government ONLY takes away personal freedom by deadly force and says "we were right to do this."

in the United State a bunch of bloody rebels enslaved some rather okay people, killed a bunch of indigeonous folk and made sure women felt like helpless slaves without a man.

Then they made doing what they did ILLEGAL and called it REBELLION. and oddly the only ones to try were people who were a sick combination of loyalists to the old crown (look at the Confederate U. S. flag -- a testament to loyalty to Britain) and the same disgusting sale of human flesh that marked the world slaver aspirations of the origianl Illuminists who started the united States of america --this is WHAT HAPPENED and eight year olds know this.

best part is -- eight year olds in OTHER COUNTRIES know this so they don't have to TURN THEIR BRAINS OFF and ape some kind of loyalty -- like the Jingoist Americans who say My country right aere wrong and then scratch their heads wondering why they can't make ends meet and then rush right off to vote in a NEW liar.

This is what anarchy means -- it is the socialist dupes who coopted it for their Bolshevick long con who claim anarchism can't be defined -- it means NO LEADER -- it means autonomous.

people who haveinternalized the state think that's impossible -- it is impossible in their heads -- but no king, pharoah, president, leader of any type has ever made the sun rise or set, turned gravity off and none ever will.

people are born free. anarchism is sanity persnified -- as people insanely march to the beat of a deadly drummer and go to the desert to kill strangers because Bush is a great leader. it's that sort of sanity -- the kind of sanity that realises that Biush and cheney are MEN -- no better than anyone else.
Dick Cheny's not better than anytone at all. that being said he is not worse either -- anarchism LAUGHS at delusions of heirarchy in the world -- because they are delusions. Cheney is just a pervertd old man who used to show his dick to little kids -- hestopped because they were scared.

oh you didn't know that, oh, sorry. so how many experience points do i get for this? where's the magic store, i want a plus two intern who fondles me as i "legislate."

oh yeah, right./

"mom i can't come out now! i'm legislating!"

i know you're tossing off, tommy.


basically this game rocks. lets TP the UN!

Anarchy is an impossible government system. End of story.

that is objectively correct. anarchy equals = no government.

now if you are not an anarchist youhave free will not to acknowledge anarchism or be an anarchist. you are allowed by FREE WILL which is sacred to believe in what you choose to believe in. anarchists reject government in all its forms -- which makes anarcho socialists utter liars. it isn't a form of government -- just like juggling is not a form of clay sculpture. it is a political philosophy -- that being said it is quite real and no where near as dangerous as government -- left or right.

fyi politically outside room 101 i am a lapsed democrat -- 8if the Unite dstates goiv't gives me a decent candidate who is obviously not a liar like clayface then i will vote democratic again. but you r correct -- anarchy is not a government system.

it is a rational human reaction to tyranny in all of its forms. and it will be long after al the screaming and shooting has CEASED FOREVER.

Anarchy is an impossible government system. End of story.

that isn't a question. which means that you lose double jeopardy. how much did you wager?

How will you keep the capitalists down without a state?

we will set up a different set of production and consumption relations, based explicitly on democraticly run workplaces and social ownership.

how will you keep the state from just becoming a new boss with an absolute monopoly on everything?

By combining socialism and capitalism with a democratic government. It's most likely the best system of all.

By combining socialism and capitalism with a democratic government. It's most likely the best system of all.

define your terms. do you mean some form of social ownership of the means of production but with a market based system of distribution and wage labor, or do you mean regular capitalism (private ownership of the means of production and wage labor) and the welfare state?

You can't have an anarchist nation where no one will harm eachother, cause then the Soviets would overrun the nation and steal all the monkeys.


Save the monkeys, down with Anarchy.

define your terms. do you mean some form of social ownership of the means of production but with a market based system of distribution and wage labor, or do you mean regular capitalism (private ownership of the means of production and wage labor) and the welfare state?
Social ownership of industries like water, power, and the like, but private ownership of industries such as retail. Plus welfare. Essentially, this system would be in place till we could get to a system where money can be eliminated completely.

I ask why you bother?

Also, I would ask you to bone up on your typing skills. It would be easier to espouse your opinions if people could read them.

Slender Goddess

I ask why you bother?

Also, I would ask you to bone up on your typing skills. It would be easier to espouse your opinions if people could read them.

Slender Goddess


*smacks with a monkey butt*

Don't worry about children games, SAVE THE MONKEYS!!!!

we will set up a different set of production and consumption relations, based explicitly on democraticly run workplaces and social ownership.

how will you keep the state from just becoming a new boss with an absolute monopoly on everything?

Democratically run workplaces and social ownership of the means of production are good things. But that doesn't answer the question of how do you keep the capitalists from regrouping and reestablishing the old order.

Just look at the hissy fit thrown by the Venezuelan capitalists at Chavez's rather mild populist reforms. An anarchist revolution like you are talking about would provoke a negative reaction infitely more severe and require a very long struggle. Furthermore even if you did conquer the domestic capitalists you would have to contend with the capitalist classes of the other countries encircling and invading you, which would require a state until the revolution is spread internationally. The destruction of the state is a good goal but its end can't come immediately or even soon.

How do you keep the state from becoming a new boss is a tough question an a reason I got disillusioned with Marxism. I think a lot of it had to do with the exteme backwardseness of the USSR's economy, democracy doesn't tend to flourish in poverty stricken peasent societies. It would be much easier to set a socialist state in an advanced society like in the EU or the US. You definitely need a far greater degree of democracy as well, and to have leaders recallable by the people. BTW The Bureaucrats in the USSR were not really a class though in the economic sense, they ran factories and industries but they did not own them, meaning they could not sell them, pass them own to their heirs etc.

The problem is that if Anarchists ever really took power, then by principle, they'd have to dissolve their own government.

Upon that, in a lawless society, but one with order, there is still the possibility of anyone slowly taking a little power by the people though the lack of a system, making a small army, and forming a Tyranny.

Upon that, in a lawless society, but one with order, there is still the possibility of anyone slowly taking a little power by the people though the lack of a system, making a small army, and forming a Tyranny.
How could there be order but no system?

in a society where people agree consensually (ooh, ahh...consensueal) to the percepts of anarchism they will naturally create ways to find agreement and social harmony.
How will you prepare for the possibility of people not agreeing consensually?

The problem is that if Anarchists ever really took power, then by principle, they'd have to dissolve their own government.

Upon that, in a lawless society, but one with order, there is still the possibility of anyone slowly taking a little power by the people though the lack of a system, making a small army, and forming a Tyranny.
yeah, but (out of character) -- anarchists by logic cwouldn't do any taking ober of governemnts. that's the socialists. the bolshevists who lie and say they are anarchists.

they woudl -- and have takjen over governments and put in new ones. which by logic isn't anarchy 9seeing you aren't that stupid)

they are faux anarchists -- the sort who give rise to the term "poseur" -- they aren't anarchists at all. like the kids who tell cops 'you can't do that" they haven't thought it through.

anarchism isn't for people who can't think things through.

have you heard of the great Kings of anarchism? thinking, fucking, working (this computer's working0 slacking, fucking, i said that twice, shirking -- yeah, shirking definitely...

How will you prepare for the possibility of people not agreeing consensually?
why prepare for it?

deal with it when it happens.

but if people want to get along they'll find a method...means...way...structure...the anarchotaoists understand this implicitly and thus strive for harmony, explining our flag, one golden star on a red field.

why prepare for it? part of life is learnning how to resolve conflicts. unevolved capitalist and socialist powerstructures resolve conflicts by the m/ic way of conquest -- the violence that ios the refuce of people who have given up on the heart and the brain.

once again, anarchism is NOT for those who aren't prepared to think and use the real human facultis -- creativity, intellugence compassion et al.

there is ALWAYS a way. people say there is nop other way usuall;y so they can do what they feel like and stop on others free will. a bunch of people who agree even superficially that free will is most importamnt could feasibly work throug hany difficulty -- leaving others far away on mainlads to squabble and not get along.

socialism and capitalism need bullying armies, confority and the sacrifice of individual will to maintain their dominatoir powe4rstructures.

i cite the great riane eisler's books on ethnology anthropolgy rfiminism and world history as proof that his system not simply could work, but with zen or comnteomplation does work -- is proven to work in temprary autonomoius zones or tazs all over the world right now. the taz architecture of harmonic coexistance is a proven method of human getting along and will keep beoing so -- despite denials of those who have judged with their limited exoerience that it cannot... it is the caveman mmind that judges and fears and wishes to destroy what it cannot understand.

it is the not much more evolved and proven arrogant "post rennaisance" mind that attempts to dominate and own what it covets.

the anarchist sees through this.

neither pessimistic nor optimistic yet both -- the anarchist realises that getting along makes sense -- and that -- unlike the futile and rebellious nihilist socialist -- sees a need to find a way to stay out of the way of the system than fight a losing battle against overwhelming odds. there have always and will always be rational anarchists.

we may take over the world just becaue it is easier and makes more sense. i don't have to sell it -- it's bullet proof logic.


hence the CTI is a philosophical schola/conclave retreat where mmystical thought arit and observation are practicedd and encouraged. having a military is pointless to us, it is evolved humanity that has seen the futility of war, as the saints and mystics have said =forever.

this is the perennial philosophy that canot be disproven because it is so utterly true and remains so -- the philosophy espoused by Bodhidarma and the philosopher and lecturer yeshua Ben josef, among others.

thank you.

How could there be order but no system?
i sense a knowing ness in your line of questioning...but there's always room for jello.

natural order. sun moon and stars. elements seasons. bearth death and by necessity rebith. the order sucnh as te NWO is foolish unevolved man's imposition of false order on a universe that already has one. like assyria assurbanipal and sumeria, it can't last and won't

mayfly philosophy that pases like a dream.

I ask why you bother?

Also, I would ask you to bone up on your typing skills. It would be easier to espouse your opinions if people could read them.

Slender Goddess
you ask why I bother? cause i'm not a Nihilist -- i believe in doing things rather than doing nothing. i can die later and then do nothing. and i do apologize for bad tying, sometimes getting the feelings is more important than errors.

but i'll go back and check.

Oi, Anarchist, what do you think of socialism/communism?

we will set up a different set of production and consumption relations, based explicitly on democraticly run workplaces and social ownership.

how will you keep the state from just becoming a new boss with an absolute monopoly on everything?
by refuting notorious soviet double think at every turn.

by laughing the face of ovbious tate building capistlstr tool soviets who only seek to codominate with teh capitalists. you aren't really welcome on this thread but say what you like/

as a mystcial community we recognize thet thesocviet idea of permanent revolution and caste division is the same as the vedic horror that overtook mohenjo darro and harappoa in 1400 bc. in other words, we are living on this island to GET AWAY FROM WHAT YOU REPRESENT with your delusions about free sovciet. socialism is slaveryy -- you manipulate people to do work that isn't necessary and goad them into becoming yoruwar pigs. then the permanet carrot is on thepermanent stick and no one ever gets free. you are invited to not participate in thisor any other CTI threads.

capitalism is overt --we know that's slavery. but siocialism pretends that it is an opposite and still enslaves people -- plus deludes people into thinking that they will get some sort of liberation. it never comes and all you want is "tomorrow DIE WELT.' we'll cope by not liking you and showing it., go conquer someone else.

Oi, Anarchist, what do you think of socialism/communism?
oi shred.

now you know

SHARP/ARA

Oi, Anarchist, what do you think of Marx's vision of the socialist state withering away into communism...where there would be no state. i.e Communism and anarchy are one and the same, ultimately

How will you keep the capitalists down without a state?
we won't.

capitalism is its own rot. but free will is logical. they have the free will to live that way. the most an honest anarchist can do is tell them we don't agree and refuse to participate as much as is possible. fascism makes thathard but fascism is both left AND right as we know from mussolini and bush, non?

but we don't take pride in anything we simply stay away from them. it;s utterly garbage to pretend to be anarchist and then tell people "you can't do" so and so. it flies in the face of free will.

keep the capitalists down you swallowed that permanent revolution scam didn't you?

they did that to make people fiull of hate and also to take them away from real anarchism. but some see throug hit like emma goldman. others still go on recuiting for the Red Army Internazionale -- they cal themselves anarchists but they HATE anarchy -- being desirous to rule. its;simple understanding despite all the double think and mind games in a world. sincere anarchists learn to see throug hit.

they don'y isnsist on making the whole world teh way they want it1 that's totalitarianism, the seed of fascism.

and that is what made the racist socialists so deceptive and gain so much power. i know racist socialists now and they pretend to be anarchists but people of color don't feel comfortable or welcome in the littel anarchist coffee house they collectivized in teh 90s. scaring away all tehcool anarchists.

it was a collectivist putsch if i get my words right exactly like fiddler on the roof when colectivists colected jewish farms beause they had an army and wanted the land.

Oi, Anarchist, what do you think of Marx's vision of the socialist state withering away into communism...where there would be no state. i.e Communism and anarchy are one and the same, ultimately
i don't agree.

marx was a tool of long range planners. the whole bolshevik ideal is subject to intense question. i see it a s atol pf miltary conquyest and world domination. I more think of george orwell who abandined the fifth internationalistsonce he figured out what they were on about.

whcih you may yourself...when you think about it. but racists and socialsts go together very well. they lie all the time, casually thusing raicst slurs...the Aryan attitude appealed to hitler because of his self hatred -- i reject Bolsevism in all its forms and think any self respecting anarchist should to. the children in teh sweatshops all over the world - athe Cubans who fear castros cops don;t speak out against their leader cause they don't wanna die.

they don't pretend it's anarchy thogh. they have, like aleader and stuff.

racist socialists are no good! and they become racists because moreoften than not they look at people of color as "fuel" for the world state they would build. totalitarianism remeber ?

teh process of lying and slahdering to get what they want has been used by statists from Plato on -- real anarchists would never fall for it. look at all the Bolshevist leaders in the world Putin, Jong-Il - castro -- hwo can you call that anarchism? anarchism means leaderless.


that being said, i'd live communially. but forcing people to do scut work is lame - that smacks of work forams forced labor and the like. people could put thir heads togetherand figure out how to live relaxedly, lazily for pleasrue not pain..but the idea that there has to be a bunch off hard back bnreaking work is the conditioned state internalized mind of the vanquished human being -- and usually they are peopel vanquished bgy the left wing or right wing military idnustrial machine.

i'd live in a commune though. but who would give or take orders?

i think the whole Bolshevist strategy is about taking over the world and i don't like it.i acknowedge it but wherever you see it you see the disenfranchised masses -- and their smiling l;eaders weilding military power that KILLSand that is like, well no fun.
anarchists live for pleasure

Ok I'm not getting an answer to that...

So how about instead of all this mumbo jumbo theory you'd explain how in an anarchist world law and order would be maintained, public services would be organised and delivered, what kind of education system there would be, etc?

Sorry about that last post, I can now see your reply! Taa :-)

i don't agree.

marx was a tool of long range planners. the whole bolshevik ideal is subject to intense question. i see it a s atol pf miltary conquyest and world domination. I more think of george orwell who abandined the fifth internationalistsonce he figured out what they were on about.


Have you read any Marx? I think you should before criticising him and blaming him for the failings of the Bolsheviks, Cubans etc?

this is what i mean./ socialism is a mind gam that promises freedom. it will never give it. instead, shit work and bent backs anbdbosses who smile and had their offices over to themost pcmpetitve and cold blooded.
capiatlsim -- the same. plus shiut products and slave labor -- wal mart going to china to hire women who work in the worst conditions for seven cents a FCUKING day -- and then those chealy made under harssh conditoions goods are sold at wal mart and they are sold under big banners that outright lie and say MADE WITH PRIDE IN THEUSEA -- and this is theschizophrenia -walmart is living a huge multistage ATLAS PROGRAM LIE

and so are sopcialists and anarchists. the whole connection fo tehBush family's eugenics and psychotronics program from Prescott Bush - famous traitor against the United States, a nation i pity as they trust moronic an d deceptive leaders with intentions that made Ginzberg weep publicly and LOUDLY -- to george w. bush a man who hates his job and wants out -- it;s oo bloody obvious.

america and china are JOYLESS TRILLIONS.

that's not joy living doing slave labor while the governemt freely experiments on the masses1

that's kowtowing to those who would smile and kill you if you didn't. america's no better -- it;s just stretched out. why are the african amreicans ane mexican americans populating jails? they ware slave lobro -- and alot of those jail memeber srepresnet humab beings with the dic=ginity to see -- even if deisenfrancihsed...that slavery is wrong/

and capitalism and it;s invention, bolshevism are SLAVERY.
narechists won't play. it;s not rebelling to use common fucking sense and not be a slave to what the governemt says lying about. they are killers. they say what they wnat to so they can make the fucking body counts rise.


































































damn. i think i heard a SHOT

Have you read any Marx? I think you should before criticising him and blaming him for the failings of the Bolsheviks, Cubans etc?
i thin i should do what o FEEL like doing. which is be free.

i am sorry that socialist and capitalist armies KILLfor power and controol. if they didn't i would join. but i don't like it when people die, like soft little babies. it bothers me and goes along with socialism and capitalism/

i don't see the differec betwen the tow. i think i am menat tosee a differce that isn't really there so that i can jon the fight on one side or the other. thus the masses are decieved. the masses aren't asse though -- and eventually something happens unpredictable called "evolution" and all of a sudden there are rigid minded statists from the left and right and a whole bunch of peole who have discovered so ething nerw. wonder what it'sll be?

i'm anarchist. iresistance is where it's at for me. i really am sorry for beinga rudeboiy but that;s where i am Bush, like loves the devil ythefalse god of profit and Hitler kind of was posessed./ Hiteler was a socialist -- so until i hear of socialists doing as much good as Hitlerdid eveil - won't polay by their RIGID SYSTEM OF RULES.

Have you read any Marx? I think you should before criticising him and blaming him for the failings of the Bolsheviks, Cubans etc?
or what? you'll shoot me?

Oi, Anarchist, what do you think of Marx's vision of the socialist state withering away into communism...where there would be no state. i.e Communism and anarchy are one and the same, ultimately

i think it's aclever lie.

i think there would be a state -- i hope to god it doesn't go tat way. there'd be a state anbd people making sure peopel worked. i know what Orwell was on about - a world where viewscreens predominate and free choice in love is almost unheard of. like, uh, what are YOU doing staring at ascreen instead of making love.

i am resisting world government..i don't know what YOUR excuse is.

infohack

How do you define anarchy?

or what? you'll shoot me?

No, but it might improve you and your 'free will'.

And you'd be able to make stronger arguments.

ii am sorry that socialist and capitalist armies KILLfor power and controol. if they didn't i would join. but i don't like it when people die, like soft little babies.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooook

i think it's aclever lie.

i think there would be a state -- i hope to god it doesn't go tat way. there'd be a state anbd people making sure peopel worked. i know what Orwell was on about - a world where viewscreens predominate and free choice in love is almost unheard of. like, uh, what are YOU doing staring at ascreen instead of making love.

i am resisting world government..i don't know what YOUR excuse is.

infohack

Are you drunk? Or high or something? Because you're coming across as a bit of a nutter I have to tell you!

why prepare for it?

deal with it when it happens.

but if people want to get along they'll find a method...means...way...structure...
Yes, but doesn't it make more sense to come up with a method, means, way, structure first, before people start to disagree?

Yes, but doesn't it make more sense to come up with a method, means, way, structure first, before people start to disagree?
probably not -- doing that inhibits the invention of new ideas. that's the anifesto thinking -- everything's planned for and so peole get lazty brains and are susceptible to being decieved. doing it hat way allows for people to innovate -- come up with new inovative ways of copping and asuures for freedom of choice. if people are gonna become dminaative and bbossy they weren't anarchist -- real anarchists should be able to spot thos esorts of people...

it gets obvious when people just say they are anarchists so that hey can boss others bout.real anarchists value thei, uh, Slack, to borrow a phrase from teh fringes of zen..

speaking of this -- you got to get me straight -- ai associate pretty much all socialists withHitler. and stalin. i have hard of no socialist doing as much good a stheose two did eveil -- when i think of Bolshevism i think of tyhem, i think pof poigroms and the KGB. when they have atand out liek Mother Teresa or Diana, who went out of her way to do humanitraian (and i don't mean tasting people) missions -- then i will trsu them. til them i don;t want anything to do with them except to direct them quck ways to get away from me and stop uh, cluttering a nice thread that is not about pervasive statist left wing tyranny disgused as freidnly questions. that;s how they ruined r8iussia and germnmany andnorth india and where ever else those who insist on clas war go. i have heard enough from Left Statist -- tomorrow the world and they are stil ltrying to get it -- in other words i don't need to read Marx - oi read 1984 and WE ARE ALL LIVING IT RIGHT NOW.

sorry.

thank you for vising the CTI. plese go back to your home country and take Trostkky's stinking corpse with you. we need to contemplate peace in the shadow of varna.

we're not aryans. aryans are racist and insist on clas war and domination -- like Hitler. we don't want it -- we equatre this anarchism with true sanity and a centered aopporach as opposed to Bush's anarcho capitalism or the anarchosocialism of the nazi punks, which the real jello biafra understands.

How do you define anarchy?
uncompromising resistance to any and all forms of governemt and tyranny. withouyt question.

uncompromising acknowledgement and belief in free will in humanbeings all the time.

love for humanity, love for autonomy., utter derisive lack of regard for tyranny and all fomsd of slavery ncluding capitalism and socialism.

cookes. frinch fries. utter and total complete contempt for ALL FORMS OF RACISM: SEXISM: AGEISM. contempt. it can be guarded or held back contempt but ESPECIALLY for chauvanism -- no respect at all.

basically being free and allowing other to be free as lonbg as they aren't fucking with you and i LOVE that you saked. thanks.

alternate answer -- true human sanity -- human maturity, evolved human intellect and emotion. real humanity.

the logical terminus of human evolution, from which humanity rsies from teh dreck of race wars and economic tyranny into the greatness it is destined for as a cereation in God's image.

taoist understanding.

that isn't a question. which means that you lose double jeopardy. how much did you wager?
fuck the free soviets!

ask them first, make sure it's cool then FUCK EM!

maybe alittle lube will help. some nice music, maybe incense, you are on your wway to positivbe anarchist cohabitation.
anarchism is GOD. anarchy RULES - how do you like that. anarchism makes NO SESNE to non anarchists and their in is its supreme power. anarchists are always free and already free which is why we skip the permanet revolution -- we would rather fuck.

and let;s not forget the Great Kings of Anarchism - one of which is fucking.
thinking is another. sucking happens...

and also we owe a debt to anarchist zen philosopher Kerry Thorneley who pointed out the great skill of swallowing. the dilemna.

totalitarian socialists bent on world domination pretend tro be nbored by this ideology philosophy. actually they HATE it because totalitarians are almost always tyrannical and dsire to riule everything. they lack themental dynamism, teh freeness of will and mind necessary for real anarchist plemic -- anarchist mind to them is a sharp edge they can cut themseces on if they aren;t careful. to others -- those who have not sold out to Fifteh IOnterantaionslist deception and conspiratorial "buullshit" says an ESP squatter -- anarchism is a relaxing and invigorating nice comfortable fuck.

and that's always good. especially with anarchists whoi are the best lovesr. (socialists are timid- capitalists are selfish.)

see you gotta have the BRINS on to b anarchist. people who rely on governemt to think for them -- left or right -- have lazy gummed up branworx. they can't think too well without calling for teh state -- they don't know how to get along with nature -- themslevs -- others -- they think they need the state. Marx called this Internalization of teh state -- and Marx was agreat capitalist and writer. he was no anarchist though. he would have maybe laughed at the notion -- unless he was -- as is conjectured - determined to suckert would be anarchists into accepting bolshevism to weaken the goals of anarchists to be free. anarchists do what they do for love -- others get together based on mutual hatrreds which is why the need war machines.



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chip:

noticed the work you have been doing re: the New World Order and their long range conspiracy.

Not bad.

the worst you could do would be nothing -- or lying and pretending it weren't real, like so many people.

some tips if i may:

people tend to stay in denial about this even if they know.

this is the arguably some of the worst stuff that there is -- and so people even who seem interested tend to go into a sort of brain freeze. like they ate too much ice cream too quickly.

other symptoms of people paralyzed with fear -- not the turncoats who are nihilistically participating with the Con but the really paralyzed with terror people - are turning on those who would be able to help them because they fear the New World Order. the Illuminati maintain their secretive presence because they rely on terror -- because they are basically not as scary as they want people to THINK that they are. the fear that people who don't know about them can generate in their own minds is a lot more effective than any threats they could make -- so the calmness and simple insitent telling the truth angle is a good one. being worried is asusual only human -- and of course the nazi angle is to dehumanize the groups they have chosen for victimization.


don't waste another five minutes on teh holocaustal SubGeniuses because the majority of them are philosophical nihilists who really don't care. you know what separates the Holocaustal SubGeniuses form teh KKK and the other hate groups? the klan wash more often and more carefully. that's pretrty much it -- techurch has become a hate gropu stango is cool but don'
ty waste your time with the rest of teh Holocaustals. we all know that when papa Joe mama showes up wi8th his Nazi regalia it's because...he's a nazi and he thinks that The Church was the best place for him to show off how hate fiilled he really was. FDon't waste another scond trying to get throug hto them - a hate gropu is ahate group. once again , with few exceptions The DISCORDIANS ARE THE GOOD GUYS which is why the sneering old geeks hate them so much. waste NO TIME attempting to get through to the Holocaustal SubGeniuses -- they are proud of their hate and that sort of energy will only destry itself. leaving in some time aperfecltly fine chuch --in the mean time don't waste another second o them. they are like a shiny toilet bowl made of gold. stick ti porcelain -- their hate is no more righetosu than any other hate. remember the nazis though they were a surerior race too. notice that tehJokes on HoS aren't that funny any more -- and the fear they showed of tehCon is the big giveaway. people who brag that much about having so much "slack" to beat the con wouldn't have bee so afraid of the OBVIOUSLY Illumionated election.

waste not any more time on them. they hate Themselves and Want To Die, and ulioke Kurt Cobaiun aren't gonbna write any pretty songs about it. the people you will be able to trust wil lbe those who divorce themselves from the hate filled Holocaustal side. A lot will be duumb conceited and proud, and everyone knows nerds are social retards no matter how good they are at tape collages. Gain Great Success And Popularity By BLOWING THEM OFF.

(did you remeber to change your Abnormality Potential? Let's put the kick ass adventure back in religion -- and not be on teh asshole side when it gets to be fun.)
something i thought about today -- the Nazis incluidng the Bush family in the 1939-45 war targeted Jews. In the current conflict they target Muslims.

it doiesn't take a rocket scientist if you'll pardon the allusion to Operation Paperclip -- to see which they will go after next -- which explains why Bush is utterly deceitful about being such a Born again Christian (they don't approve of killing at all -- born again Christians are truly loving and compassionate people -- as in are anti war) while they go to worship Moloch in Bohemian Grove with thri fellows in teh Brotherhood of Evil. You Help thos eChristains in your Ministry and after tythey get opver their stiff necked disbelief - they WILL appreciate it with love and the love is worth more than the money no matter what SyBgenbius Malkavians lie about it. Remeber -- No SubGenius Will Ever Be Able To Buy Love -- and they replace that weak point by upping the statndard on hate.

Pretty cool that they paid to find out what they really thought, huh? "Bob" smoked that money already.

pathetic, but that's what teh discordians are for -- toi catch teh GOOD people who see throug hteh Cin instead of Joining It. they are SlackCon, now, blow them off.


keep laying on the infowars and prisonplanet angle. jones is no art bell but he is an honest man explaining a serious message for practical chump change. more and more people are getting the idea that the Nazi coup actually has happened -- those who shake off the denial will be, as has been the case, the ones who will tell others. and as always, fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
it excites the cat.

keep up the good work.

The SubGenius

ps merry christmas. i mean after all -- the world ended -- how many times are they gonn keep having the same boring end of th world drill? who wants to have lousy sex with some geek girl in devil honrs? leave them to their shitter.

when are the anarchists really going to get organized?

I think the thing with anarchists is they see what a f***ed up place the world is and the terrible things human beings do to each other, so they adopt an ideology that distances them absolutely from the real world. Calling themselves 'anarchists' and refusing to have anything to do with standard political systems/beliefs absolves them of the guilt of being part of a society they hate so much. I'm not trying to be offensive to anarchists - but that's just my opinion.

So this guy walks into an Anarchist restaurant, and the waitress says, "Can I take your disorder?"

when are the anarchists really going to get organized?
They already are ;)

So this guy walks into an Anarchist restaurant, and the waitress says, "Can I take your disorder?"
Why do Anarchist drink herbal tea?

Because proper tea is theft.

:)

Why do Anarchist drink herbal tea?

Because proper tea is theft.

:)
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Yes, but doesn't it make more sense to come up with a method, means, way, structure first, before people start to disagree?

you're not really jello biafra are you.


i have to put you on IGNORE because poseurs SUCK

assume the position. i mean come on.

i was hasled by some HOT cops this summer. i mean HOT. if they weren't cops i would have...well maybe not anyway hi.

this from another interested person

Republic

the key idea is that republic as it stands now is NOT democracy and most people believe it is.

republicans are taking advantage of the understanding gap -- and when i say republicans i include those democrats like kerry who are republican in every way except the way they register -- as americans learned when they asked Vermonters about Howard deans' history as a Liberal.


as conservative as the day is long.so people need to create democracy. this will remain the objective yardstick -- and i am neithr prud nor ashamed to say it;s this way --democracy will be created by americans who take responsibility for the legislative proecess -- down to details -- who have no intention o RULING.administrators are meant to administrate and be warders and stewards of resources.


Bush is a ruler, he rules -- i.e. he says 'do it this way ' and they do it that way. due process is ignored . checks and balances to reulers like him are challenges to get things done and think around them. people are decieved when they think the curent state of American Federal Infrastructure is democractic. theseeds are there. the barriers will be those who are rigidly afraid of change -- who KNOW, like John Warner R-Tenn bragged as Clinton ws being crucified, that the United States was not a democracy but a constitutional republic.

the Framers did this to make provision for SLAVERY -- and there it all is. the first constitutional congress almost ended in upheaval because it was obviosu to some of the first Americans that it was undemocratic to not allow women the vote or to consider an african 3/5 of a person for elelctoral purposes.the flawed electoral system is flawed because of these gaps in teh foundation of the American System.

i am an anarchist.

I will watch and pint things out and i deeply and objectively understand political science -- and the political science fiction that comes out of most candidates and incumbents mouths when they talk about the free fucking world that costs money and lives.

I am anarchist and will remain so.

but i know as an anarchist that as forms of government go, from the extreme of socialist monarchism in Britain and japan to the Communist dictatorship of Cuyba to the constitutional republic of the United Spac e- se hwo different governemts can be -- the closest thing that I know of to a real Democratic system in the world is tiny Taiwan, and i am almost afraid to mention it.recently Taiwan held a referemndum orf certain key issues facing the system there.

most Americans don't know what a referendum is -- what it is is a key tool of democracy to gague and do the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.when i say to you by of and of rthe people in t maybe sounds stale becaue LIARS have said it to decive people in the name of constitutional republic or even worse in the na,e of suickereing people inti socialist set ups.

socialists feign boredom when this point is made bcause of course they seek total dimination andd as we know like Hitler and Stalin they will lie to get it.people who want change will work for real -- objective democracy. reform is oimplict here as it would be very different from what has stood. it has to be different. and fuck yoda. he's a puppet of republican interests. (that was a joke. merry christmas.---