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*this is the kind of contempt Bush and his supporters have for freedom in America so it makes me laugh everytime I hear them claim to be bringing "freedom" to Iraq

In Oregon, three school teachers were recently removed from a Bush campaign event and threatened with arrest. Although the women had tickets for the events and were not engaged in any form of public protest, security guards approached them after seeing their t-shirts that read "Protect Our Civil Liberties." One of the teachers, Janet Voorhies, said, "I wanted to see if I would be able to make a statement that I feel is important, but not offensive, in a rally for my president."

Last month in Eugene Oregon, 54-year-old Perry Patterson was arrested and charged with criminal trespass after attending a campaign event by Vice President Dick Cheney. When Cheney told the crowd that President Bush has made the world safer, Patterson blurted out the word "No" and was arrested soon after.

And earlier this week police dragged out three protesters from a Bush campaign rally in Lancaster Penn. after the protesters shouted out that the president was a liar.

www.democracynow.org

Yeah, why should Bush do that... after all, only the Democrats should have protesters removed from their rallies and have them labeled nutcases and dangerous people by the media. Those who were removed from Clinton's rallies and speechs were far more dangerous than those at Bush's ones.

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well, this is the guy who endorsed dictatorship, "So long as I'm the dictator."

Yeah, why should Bush do that... after all, only the Democrats should have protesters removed from their rallies and have them labeled nutcases and dangerous people by the media. Those who were removed from Clinton's rallies and speechs were far more dangerous than those at Bush's ones.

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but no one ever got removed from dem rallys just for wearing tee shirts that said things

of course not... the media (which is anti-Bush and was Pro-Clinton) would never say that protesters removed from a Clinton rally was only wearing this or saying that... it's always "some troublemakers were removed" or "Anti-Clinton protesters got rowdy at..." after all, that makes Slick Willy look like he was actally threated by the "fanatics."

Also, it could be said that the police stopped them to prevent a conflict. Those wearing those shirts may find themselves in a confrontation that may turn violent. Wanna test the theory? try wear a "Fighting Whites" t-shirt or some racially suggestive slogan on a shirt to the next Rainbow Coalition meeting... chances are the police will stop you from entering because someone may take umbrage by smashing your face to a pulp.

*this is the kind of contempt Bush and his supporters have for freedom in America so it makes me laugh everytime I hear them claim to be bringing "freedom" to Iraq

In Oregon, three school teachers were recently removed from a Bush campaign event and threatened with arrest. Although the women had tickets for the events and were not engaged in any form of public protest, security guards approached them after seeing their t-shirts that read "Protect Our Civil Liberties." One of the teachers, Janet Voorhies, said, "I wanted to see if I would be able to make a statement that I feel is important, but not offensive, in a rally for my president."

Last month in Eugene Oregon, 54-year-old Perry Patterson was arrested and charged with criminal trespass after attending a campaign event by Vice President Dick Cheney. When Cheney told the crowd that President Bush has made the world safer, Patterson blurted out the word "No" and was arrested soon after.

And earlier this week police dragged out three protesters from a Bush campaign rally in Lancaster Penn. after the protesters shouted out that the president was a liar.

www.democracynow.org

Oh yay another copy paste off of democracy now that oh so unbiased source … seriously must you link EVERY article? Really wow.

And you are saying every bush supporter holds this point of view
“this is the kind of contempt Bush and his supporters have for freedom in America”

So every bush supporter has contempt for freedom in America … even the ones “duped” into following? or could there be any other possibility

Way to generalize

Both democrats and republicans are anti-american, none of them stand for the foundational principles of this nation.... choosing between them is about the same as choosing between the lighter versions of stalinism or fascism.

Make a real difference, get both of them out.


I'm an avowed Libertarian BTW.

/sarcasm


Any and all opposition against the emperor of the Divided Empire of America is unlawful and to be punished by incarceration in Guantanamo Bay and revoking of American citizenship, plus designation of the offender as "Enemy Combatant".


/sarcasm



Heil Adolf Bush!

www.democracynow.org

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Help... can't breathe... laughing and wheezing at same time... must breathe... ~dies and rises against as a vampire~

What?!? But I was saved!

~Sees the Angel of Death~

AoD: Look, I needed someone to beat some common sense into people, and you're the unlucky person who got picked. See you again in three thousand years. ~Fades away~

Damn it!

Seriously, try an unbiased source. I'm a Kerry supporter, but even I can tell you that source is as likely to be posting entirely factual and unspun news as Bush is to announce his conversion to Satanism, that Cheney is his gay lover, and he is officially disbanding the military.

but no one ever got removed from dem rallys just for wearing tee shirts that said things

You sure about that. Please go to a dem rally with a republican t-shirt see how long you last.

P.S: If possible have someone videotape your experience and post it here so all of us can watch in disbelief as rocks are thrown at you and liberals will be stomping the living life outta you ;)

try wear a "Fighting Whites" t-shirt or some racially suggestive slogan on a shirt to the next Rainbow Coalition meeting... chances are the police will stop you from entering because someone may take umbrage by smashing your face to a pulp.

It is not that wearing certain T-shirts may get you ejected from a rally, it is the specific incident that "Protect our civil liberties" qualifies as such a shirt at a Bush rally. That the notion of protecting civil liberties is offensive to Republican rank-and-file to the degree of violence potentially coming into play (and thus security guards ejecting such) is disturbing.

You sure about that. Please go to a dem rally with a republican t-shirt see how long you last.

P.S: If possible have someone videotape your experience and post it here so all of us can watch in disbelief as rocks are thrown at you and liberals will be stomping the living life outta you ;)

Actually, I did that. No one kicked me out. I got a few dirty looks, but those stopped when I yelled "Go Kerry!" They thought it ironic to see a person wearing a Republican shirt at a Democratic conference. However, I did recognize several Republicans there as well, so...

you yelled out "go kerry" end of story (they probably thought you were intoxicated and left you alone out of pity)

Um, George. (He's not good enough to deserve to be called "Mr. President." He can bite me.) Last time I checked, there hadn't been sedition laws since the FDR admin, or beforehand. Loser.

you yelled out "go kerry" end of story (they probably thought you were intoxicated and left you alone out of pity)

Considering the two hours I talked to several of them afterwards, they could tell I wasn't intoxed.

*this is the kind of contempt Bush and his supporters have for freedom in America so it makes me laugh everytime I hear them claim to be bringing "freedom" to Iraq

In Oregon, three school teachers were recently removed from a Bush campaign event and threatened with arrest. Although the women had tickets for the events and were not engaged in any form of public protest, security guards approached them after seeing their t-shirts that read "Protect Our Civil Liberties." One of the teachers, Janet Voorhies, said, "I wanted to see if I would be able to make a statement that I feel is important, but not offensive, in a rally for my president."

Last month in Eugene Oregon, 54-year-old Perry Patterson was arrested and charged with criminal trespass after attending a campaign event by Vice President Dick Cheney. When Cheney told the crowd that President Bush has made the world safer, Patterson blurted out the word "No" and was arrested soon after.

And earlier this week police dragged out three protesters from a Bush campaign rally in Lancaster Penn. after the protesters shouted out that the president was a liar.

www.democracynow.org


None of this was illegal . . .

It is not that wearing certain T-shirts may get you ejected from a rally, it is the specific incident that "Protect our civil liberties" qualifies as such a shirt at a Bush rally. That the notion of protecting civil liberties is offensive to Republican rank-and-file to the degree of violence potentially coming into play (and thus security guards ejecting such) is disturbing.


Actually the point I was making is this, you see the one mistake everyone makes is that GW Bush, Billy Clinton or any US President has direct control over the police and Secret Service. Wrong, they don't. If this happened where Bush could see AND hear, I think he (and most Presidents) would have stopped it and allowed those two people in. but since he didn't and there were two people wearing the same shirt... probably entering the same time... indicating a coordinated and organized attempt to rabble-rouse, the police took steps, the Secret Service would not have interferred because it's out of their jurisdiction... probably. They (the police) probably had two orders... 1) protect the President at all costs. and 2) ensure there are no incidents. Someone walking into an event with a shirt that some may deem provokative can be viewed as Flamebaiting (to use a forum term) and thus, a threat to a peaceful event. They could have walked in with "Save Healthcare" or "Leave Iraq" and the same thing probably would have happened because it would be viewed as deliberate baiting.

Considering the two hours I talked to several of them afterwards, they could tell I wasn't intoxed.

Yeah, but you Yelled "Go Kerry", showing your support for Kerry. Nothing wrong in being a Republican and supporting Kerry... now what if you didn't say anything and only mentioned that you were a BUSH SUPPORTER when you were asked... Different I betcha there would've been a different ending.

Yeah, but you Yelled "Go Kerry", showing your support for Kerry. Nothing wrong in being a Republican and supporting Kerry... now what if you didn't say anything and only mentioned that you were a BUSH SUPPORTER when you were asked... Different I betcha there would've been a different ending.

Being a Bush supporter and weaing a Republican t-shirt are not the same thing. I was merely answering your challenge about the t-shirt.

of course not... the media (which is anti-Bush and was Pro-Clinton) would never say that protesters removed from a Clinton rally was only wearing this or saying that... it's always "some troublemakers were removed" or "Anti-Clinton protesters got rowdy at..." after all, that makes Slick Willy look like he was actally threated by the "fanatics."

Also, it could be said that the police stopped them to prevent a conflict. Those wearing those shirts may find themselves in a confrontation that may turn violent. Wanna test the theory? try wear a "Fighting Whites" t-shirt or some racially suggestive slogan on a shirt to the next Rainbow Coalition meeting... chances are the police will stop you from entering because someone may take umbrage by smashing your face to a pulp.

So "Protect Our Freedoms" is a statement that will get someone beaten up, huh?

Actually the point I was making is this, you see the one mistake everyone makes is that GW Bush, Billy Clinton or any US President has direct control over the police and Secret Service. Wrong, they don't. If this happened where Bush could see AND hear, I think he (and most Presidents) would have stopped it and allowed those two people in. but since he didn't and there were two people wearing the same shirt... probably entering the same time... indicating a coordinated and organized attempt to rabble-rouse, the police took steps, the Secret Service would not have interferred because it's out of their jurisdiction... probably. They (the police) probably had two orders... 1) protect the President at all costs. and 2) ensure there are no incidents. Someone walking into an event with a shirt that some may deem provokative can be viewed as Flamebaiting (to use a forum term) and thus, a threat to a peaceful event. They could have walked in with "Save Healthcare" or "Leave Iraq" and the same thing probably would have happened because it would be viewed as deliberate baiting.

Actually, I said nothing about Bush himself; I assumed that the guards were acting to prevent anticipated incidents. The fact that the security guards would consider a "Protect Our Civil Liberties" shirt to be baiting is telling, however, as to the nature of the Bush supporters. That is what I said, and what you just replied there only serves to support my conclusion the more.

*this is the kind of contempt Bush and his supporters have for freedom in America so it makes me laugh everytime I hear them claim to be bringing "freedom" to Iraq

In Oregon, three school teachers were recently removed from a Bush campaign event and threatened with arrest. Although the women had tickets for the events and were not engaged in any form of public protest, security guards approached them after seeing their t-shirts that read "Protect Our Civil Liberties." One of the teachers, Janet Voorhies, said, "I wanted to see if I would be able to make a statement that I feel is important, but not offensive, in a rally for my president."

Last month in Eugene Oregon, 54-year-old Perry Patterson was arrested and charged with criminal trespass after attending a campaign event by Vice President Dick Cheney. When Cheney told the crowd that President Bush has made the world safer, Patterson blurted out the word "No" and was arrested soon after.

And earlier this week police dragged out three protesters from a Bush campaign rally in Lancaster Penn. after the protesters shouted out that the president was a liar.

www.democracynow.org
I really doubt that Kerry/Edward's people would like rude hecklers ether. How would you take it if Bush supporters started yelling "Flip Floper!!!" and heckling Kerry at his event (It is a diffrent thing if it is outside of the event area)

well, this is the guy who endorsed dictatorship, "So long as I'm the dictator."
Wow, I love how people take quotes wildly out of context...
CHRIS BLACK, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Frank, President- elect George W. Bush came to Capitol Hill today for the first time since the election intending to listen to congressional leaders, the bipartisan congressional leadership. But he also made it clear to them, in more than two and a half hours of meetings, that he intends to stand by his tax cut proposal and other planks in his campaign agenda.

GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH (R-TX), PRESIDENT-ELECT: I told all four that there were going to be some times where we don't agree with each other. But that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html

Note: I'm not a Bush supporter, in fact I'm voting for Kerry because I disagree with a lot of Bush's policy decisions (although Kerry's proposed polices are very similar to Bush's policies).

Being a Bush supporter and weaing a Republican t-shirt are not the same thing. I was merely answering your challenge about the t-shirt.

Wearing a Republican shirt at a Democrat rally isn't provoking... try wearing a "Stolen Honor" shirt and see if you get in. or on the flip side, a Farenheit 9/11 shirt to a Bush Rally, and don't SAY ANYTHING unless spoken to first.

Correct TJHairball you did not say Bush himself, but the first line of the First post in this topic was "*this is the kind of contempt Bush and his supporters have for freedom in America so it makes me laugh everytime I hear them claim to be bringing "freedom" to Iraq"

and you yourself said. "The fact that the security guards would consider a "Protect Our Civil Liberties" shirt to be baiting is telling, however, as to the nature of the Bush supporters." So are you calling the Police Bush Supporters because one or two officers considered that phrase baiting?

I really doubt that Kerry/Edward's people would like rude hecklers ether. How would you take it if Bush supporters started yelling "Flip Floper!!!" and heckling Kerry at his event (It is a diffrent thing if it is outside of the event area)




Thank you. just what I was trying to say... I'm too tired... think I'll sleep now.

Wearing a Republican shirt at a Democrat rally isn't provoking... try wearing a "Stolen Honor" shirt and see if you get in. or on the flip side, a Farenheit 9/11 shirt to a Bush Rally, and don't SAY ANYTHING unless spoken to first.

Advertising to "protect our freedom" isn't anti-Bush. He's claimed several times that is what he is out to do, so the shirts may have actually been in support for him. Just like if I wore a shirt that says "Protect Our Nation" to a Democratic convention, as Kerry have vowed to do that. Your examples are far more extreme than what was the actual scenario they are talking about, and are provoking.

Oh yay another copy paste off of democracy now that oh so unbiased source … seriously must you link EVERY article? Really wow.




It is actually prudent for a person not to fire off generalities here since this forum is likely the best one for common populace to cross reference a claim. It makes a lot of sense. It in fact quantifies an argument as compared to one or more than one relatively uninformed individual chanting off their "opinion" at some other individual or group of individuals. Aside from the people who, in their daily lives, happen to carry around all their references, people generally have to talk about their opinion and some personal experience on a subject and whomever is the listening/reactive/complimentary audience is has to take it on good faith that it is a sound situation for commerce.
I myself find it very important, given most of the obviously political slants of this forum, that a person can qualify their claims and substantiate a mature discussion of an issue.
Besides, a lot of people toss flak if you don't bother to provide links, especially to the more controversial "issues".

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Wow, I love how people take quotes wildly out of context...



In regards to the dictatorship question, the context was that Bush was talking about how the people in his administration didn't always agree on stuff and how he would make the decision and everyone would just have to deal with it. And then he said nothing was wrong with dictatorship as long as he was the dictator. There are several sources for that quote, on calendars and even an audio disc of it on BushSpeak: The Curious Wit and Wisdom of George W. Bush.
What isn't to understand about the context? He is still in favor of dictatorship, since he qualified his lack of democratic congress of a group of people who have considerably more sense wisdom and experience than himself in most political arenas. Not very much out of context at all, supplemented by action if he didn't have the sense to understand his own conveyance.

Dunno if someone else already mentioned this ...
i've never been to a rally for either Bush or Kerry since Alaska's populace is essentially irrelevant to their campaigns (we're dregs) although our electoral significance is a big deal (to us and a few others) right now, obviously.
I would think that if you go to a Bush rally, and it's one of his sign-on support rallies were you declare your alignment then it should be completely irrelevant what you wear since you're there under (signed) cooperation with Bush/admin principles. I would think with a signature there are legal issues to consider about it, else arresting someone in peaceable assembly is unconstitutional (surprise) ....and f*ck Bush and his and his admin's f*cked ideals for what they've already done the Constitution.
I don't think Kerry does that but i can't go out and find out for myself, reasonably. I've found a few articles, obviously ....

In regards to the dictatorship question, the context was that Bush was talking about how the people in his administration didn't always agree on stuff and how he would make the decision and everyone would just have to deal with it. And then he said nothing was wrong with dictatorship as long as he was the dictator. There are several sources for that quote, on calendars and even an audio disc of it on BushSpeak: The Curious Wit and Wisdom of George W. Bush.
What isn't to understand about the context? He is still in favor of dictatorship, since he qualified his lack of democratic congress of a group of people who have considerably more sense wisdom and experience than himself in most political arenas. Not very much out of context at all, supplemented by action if he didn't have the sense to understand his own conveyance.

Ye gods! Can the President not make a very clear joke!

Read the context (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html) again. President Bush says:
I told all four that there were going to be some times where we don't agree with each other. But that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
He is just making a light hearted comment that getting stuff passed would be easier if he was a dictator and didn't have to wrangle with politics. At no point does he say that any thing like: "I like Dictatorships!!!111 I want to be a dictator and turn America into a dictatorship 'cause I'm evil!!!!11111" Which you partisan people seem to hear.

Edit:
Also he was talking about meeting the Congressional leaders not his Administration like you claim.

Good ol' liberal www.democracynow.org

So are you calling the Police Bush Supporters because one or two officers considered that phrase baiting?
I'm not saying the police were Bush supporters; I am, however, saying that they thought the shirts would produce violent reactions in Bush supporters... which means, in other words, that their "expert" (professional) opinion on the matter is that at least certain Bush supporters are violently opposed to the preservation of civil liberties.