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I dont know how many schools this has happened but it at my school has banned halloween from its area no class celebrations just "Fall" themed posters about AT walks it seems to me that conservitives have taken this way to far
Even the halloween participation and fun is down :(

well i think schools need less partying and more teaching

That isn't true for where I live. Our school even had a Halloween dance afterschool on Friday. I have heard of the whole "fall" party not a "Halloween" party issue. I really don't know what is so horrible about Halloween.

well i think schools need less partying and more teaching
Just like that elmentery school that banned recess

It's really sad when political correctness hits something as trivial as Halloween. I heard that one school district cancelled their halloween activities so not to offend the Wicken population.

When the news talked to the wickens they said that they thought halloween was great and the school should let the kids have their fun.

That isn't true for where I live. Our school even had a Halloween dance afterschool on Friday. I have heard of the whole "fall" party not a "Halloween" party issue. I really don't know what is so horrible about Halloween.
Nothing. Stupid people have a poor understanding of the difference between theory and practice. Halloween is about as Christian as a giant bunny that lays eggs.

I dont know how many schools this has happened but it at my school has banned halloween from its area no class celebrations just "Fall" themed posters about AT walks it seems to me that conservitives have taken this way to far
Even the halloween participation and fun is down :(


It's not just conservatives. I've read in several papers about many schools banning Halloween because it is offensive to Witches and practitioners of Wicca.

Nothing. Stupid people have a poor understanding of the difference between theory and practice. Halloween is about as Christian as a giant bunny that lays eggs.

Actually, not true. Last time I checked, trick-or-treating in costume was started by Christian ministers back in the 1950s to help deal with problems involving youths. The rest evolved from there. So, I would say Halloween is the most Christian of holidays, as Christianity has the most influence over its modern practices than anything other religion at this point.

Actually, not true. Last time I checked, trick-or-treating in costume was started by Christian ministers back in the 1950s to help deal with problems involving youths. The rest evolved from there. So, I would say Halloween is the most Christian of holidays, as Christianity has the most influence over its modern practices than anything other religion at this point.
It's not a Christian holiday, most Christians don't even like it. As a Christian, I think it should be removed, just because the idea is stupid, not because I think it panders to one religion or the other.

Nothing. Stupid people have a poor understanding of the difference between theory and practice. Halloween is about as Christian as a giant bunny that lays eggs.

It really has nothing to do with any religion. Way back in the old days when it was called "All Hallow's Eve" and was truly about witches and evil and stuff like that, is different. Nowadays it is about dressing up and getting free candy, it is completely harmless.

Actually, not true. Last time I checked, trick-or-treating in costume was started by Christian ministers back in the 1950s to help deal with problems involving youths. The rest evolved from there. So, I would say Halloween is the most Christian of holidays, as Christianity has the most influence over its modern practices than anything other religion at this point.

Halloween is the most Christian of holidays? Last time I checked, Christmas and Easter were pretty high up on the Christian holiday list.

Actually, not true. Last time I checked, trick-or-treating in costume was started by Christian ministers back in the 1950s to help deal with problems involving youths. The rest evolved from there. So, I would say Halloween is the most Christian of holidays, as Christianity has the most influence over its modern practices than anything other religion at this point.

Actually it's ablending of several cultures, including Wiccan. Trick or treating goes back further than the 1950's, may be wrong tho.

It's not a Christian holiday, most Christians don't even like it. As a Christian, I think it should be removed, just because the idea is stupid, not because I think it panders to one religion or the other.

Actually, it is a Christian holiday. The original holiday of Samhaen was renamed to the Eve of All Souls by the Catholic Church as part of a three-day holiday full of worship and prayer. Then it became All Hallow's Eve (hallow is a holy spirit), then Hallowe'en, now Halloween. Trick-or-Treating was started by Christian ministers in the U.S. in the 1950s in order to deal with Irish immigrant youths playing pranks and causing trouble on that day. This, in turn, is what created the market for candy, costumes, and decorations that the corporate form of America turned into the jumbled mess today. All of the pagan rituals involved with Halloween were separated into other holidays or dropped altogether. Thanksgiving involves, IIRC, one of those pagan rituals, an autumn feast.

Also is Halloween celebrated in any other countries other that the US?

Halloween is the most Christian of holidays? Last time I checked, Christmas and Easter were pretty high up on the Christian holiday list.

The egg in Easter is a symbol of fertility and the rabbit symbolizes a pagan goddess. Look it up. In fact, holding Christ's rise from the dead as being on Easter was probably only to accomodate the people the Church was trying to recruit at the time.

In Christmas, the only things truly Christian are Christ and the name. Even carolling, giving alms, attending church, the mistletoe, etc. are imported from paganism. In fact, the mistletoe is pretty much a pagan idea in general. However, Santa Clause is arguably Christian and arguably secular or pagan, so I do not include him for any side.

Actually it's ablending of several cultures, including Wiccan. Trick or treating goes back further than the 1950's, may be wrong tho.

Wicca didn't start until the 1950s and did not gain enough of a force to cause a cultural influence until the next decade, and even then it is not until the 1990s you see Wicca having any form of a measureable cultural influence.

A form of dressing up in costumes, begging for treats (alms), etc. existed centuries before Christianity. But the practice of Trick-or-Treating, as it is in America or anywhere else, did not come into existance until the 1950s.

Also is Halloween celebrated in any other countries other that the US?

It used to be celebrated everywhere the Catholic Church was, in a way. I'm not sure about many places anymore, but I do know the UK has it.

Whoever thinks Halloween is evil needs to get their brain checked by a neurologist.

When did halloween bcome commenly banned from schools in the US I think it started a few years back though i may be wrong

When did halloween bcome commenly banned from schools in the US I think it started a few years back though i may be wrong

The movement to ban it started back in the 80s by, ironically, the same groups of people who laid the foundations for it. It wasn't until the 90s, IIRC, that the first school considered banning it, and I think the mid 90s when the first school banned it. After that, it only went down hill. It's been primarily in the last 5 years the majority of the bannings, IIRC, have happened.

What also didn't help is a group of Wiccans, a group considered idiots by a large number of people in that religion, who started advocating it as portraying witches as evil and asking for a ban. That group is partly responsible as well, but the majority of the Wiccans I know still consider them idiots.

It's really sad when political correctness hits something as trivial as Halloween. I heard that one school district cancelled their halloween activities so not to offend the Wicken population.

When the news talked to the wickens they said that they thought halloween was great and the school should let the kids have their fun.

It's Wiccans. And I've never heard of a Wiccan who objected to Halloween. There are, however, plenty of Christians who think its a holiday for Devil Worshipers (which they probably consider Wiccans to be). They forget that is based on the Holiday All Hallow's Eve in which people used to dress up to scare away all the ghosts and demons so that the world would be pure on November 1. Why should it be you ask? Because that is All Saint's Day which is the day that the Saints come to inspect the Earth.

Probably people were using the Wiccans as PC scapegoats so it wouldn't look like it was themselves who had the problem with Halloween.

well i think schools need less partying and more teaching

you also think they need less black people as students and more black people as decorations on trees, so nobody takes you seriously, everyone hates you. Go away.

Also is Halloween celebrated in any other countries other that the US?

we hit it pretty hard when I lived in Colombia. we used to have parties, and kids too old to ask for candy ( 13, 14) but too young to go to any of the parties used to scare little kids out of their minds and take their candy. ah, those were the days.

Halloween is "celebrated" in Canada.

bY CELEBRATED i mean kids asking for candy, wrapping and egging houses, scaring each other

It's Wiccans. And I've never heard of a Wiccan who objected to Halloween. There are, however, plenty of Christians who think its a holiday for Devil Worshipers (which they probably consider Wiccans to be). They forget that is based on the Holiday All Hallow's Eve in which people used to dress up to scare away all the ghosts and demons so that the world would be pure on November 1. Why should it be you ask? Because that is All Saint's Day which is the day that the Saints come to inspect the Earth.

Probably people were using the Wiccans as PC scapegoats so it wouldn't look like it was themselves who had the problem with Halloween.

yes
many christian find "wiccans" devil worshipers beacuse i dunno... they happen to state it them selves?!
and secound of all the is no such thing as witch craft
what was called witch craft is called medicine and crazy people now

I thought wiccans were just a druid religon that worshiped elements not human sacrifice stuff and that devil worshiping was only satanists

I'm pretty sure halloween is just "that day when people dress up and buy pumpkin-themed party stuff" in England. I doubt anyone has tried to ban it.

I thought wiccans were just a druid religon that worshiped elements not human sacrifice stuff and that devil worshiping was only satanists

No, Wiccans worship Nature through a Goddess and a God. And, the Satanists part depends on which group you get. Not all Satanists actually worship Satan.

Wicca is a modern constructed religion, like the Church of Satan.

All of the major holdays are basically wiccan which became absorbed into major christian practise because they didnt have enough stuff to celebrate... even christmas was based upon 'yule' which took place at the end of the year, involving a red-dressed elder (sinter klaus the holly king). Certain people believe that Jesus was born in the summer, sometime around august.

They forget that is based on the Holiday All Hallow's Eve in which people used to dress up to scare away all the ghosts and demons so that the world would be pure on November 1.
Heheh, I think the demons'd be well scared by a kid in a plastic hat ;)

Whoever thinks Halloween is evil needs to get their brain checked by a neurologist.
preferably one with a drill and a degree in E.S.T.

preferably one with a drill and a degree in E.S.T.



Oh simply remove the brain and filled the head with paste.

No, Wiccans worship Nature through a Goddess and a God. And, the Satanists part depends on which group you get. Not all Satanists actually worship Satan.

Wicca is a modern constructed religion, like the Church of Satan.


wait.. did yu just say SATANists don't worship satan...
wtf
if they don't worship satan or anything they are something called an atheist

this whole banning holidays is getting rediculus, i'm an atheist myself and i still celebrate halloween, easter and christmas, i even get pissed off when people tell me not to say Merry Christmas becuase it "offends" them, or when a teacher says that i can't say that becuase it is uncorret now a days... All i have to say is f**k u, get a life if i want to say it i will, now go piss off and let me eat my candy in peace

Nothing. Stupid people have a poor understanding of the difference between theory and practice. Halloween is about as Christian as a giant bunny that lays eggs.

Halloween is a Catholic holiday to honor all of the saints. Hallows Eve means holy evening.
Of course the extortion and the costumes are all pagan.

wait.. did yu just say SATANists don't worship satan...
wtf
if they don't worship satan or anything they are something called an atheist

The name was chosen, IMHO, to primarily piss of Christians and to state their ideals. Personally, I find it funny. Check it out.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/

Halloween is a Catholic holiday to honor all of the saints. Hallows Eve means holy evening.
Of course the extortion and the costumes are all pagan.

Go back and read my posts on here. All of them. I'm not going to repeat myself.

get over it, just go out and get some candy

Oh simply remove the brain and filled the head with paste.
Tried that once didnt change much ;)

get over it, just go out and get some candy

That would be pathetic.

yes
many christian find "wiccans" devil worshipers beacuse i dunno... they happen to state it them selves?!


I'd like to find out how many Wiccans you've personally known. I'v met several and none of them state that they are devil worshippers. Wicca is a very broad religion, one that it is particularly difficult to define. So a Wiccan could be a "devil worshipper" in that they worship evil and perform "black magic" but they can also be as benign and kind as anyone else. So again, you can't say Wicca (or even most wiccans) is a devil-worshipping religion.


and secound of all the is no such thing as witch craft
what was called witch craft is called medicine and crazy people now

I didn't say there was. I said that I've never met a Wiccan who had a problem with Halloween--but I've met many Christians who do, mainly because they don't know hteir own history. Now granted, anecdotal evidence isn't very powerful, but this isn't that serious of a conversation.

And while I do not believe in witchcraft either (though I do believe greatly in the ability of meditation to do good for one's mind) the witchcraft practiced by many Wiccans could hardly be compared to modern medicine.

Heheh, I think the demons'd be well scared by a kid in a plastic hat ;)

Agreed, but that's not what its about anymore is it?

wait.. did yu just say SATANists don't worship satan...
wtf
if they don't worship satan or anything they are something called an atheist

I think s/he was referring to certain sect of "Satanists" who do not worship Satan, but they do try to appease him. The major belief of this group is Deist--God created the world and left it alone. Satan is the major power shaping the world and offerings, etc. are provided to him to appease him so he will leave mankind alone. The actual worshiping is still directed at God.

Halloween is a Catholic holiday to honor all of the saints. Hallows Eve means holy evening.
Of course the extortion and the costumes are all pagan.

Extortion has been around Christianity for ages :)

And the costumes were, at the very least, assimilated into Christianity when they began dressing up to ward off evil spirits for All Saints Day.

I think s/he was referring to certain sect of "Satanists" who do not worship Satan, but they do try to appease him. The major belief of this group is Deist--God created the world and left it alone. Satan is the major power shaping the world and offerings, etc. are provided to him to appease him so he will leave mankind alone. The actual worshiping is still directed at God.

No, that sect died out centuries ago, and they were Muslims IIRC. Unless there is a new one...

I'm talking about the Church of Satan.

That would be pathetic.

y would going out and getting some candy and forgetting your pitiful argument about HALLOWEEN... I REPEAT HALLOWEEN, be pathetic. Don't u have anything bbetter to do than argue about Wiccans, Christians and who knows who else. I think someone needs to start thinking for himself instead of hiding behind a god :mp5:

y would going out and getting some candy and forgetting your pitiful argument about HALLOWEEN... I REPEAT HALLOWEEN, be pathetic. Don't u have anything bbetter to do than argue about Wiccans, Christians and who knows who else. I think someone needs to start thinking for himself instead of hiding behind a god :mp5:

It would be parthetic because I'm in my early 20s.

And, you might want to actually be bothered to read what I was saying and check my information out instead of proving you haven't read any of it and posting some unfounded crap about me hiding behind my religious beliefs.

And my arguement about Halloween was a simple case of getting the information out there about a holiday I happen to enjoy and know the history of, having an intelligent discussion on a forum that is on topic for the day, while you have to waste my time by posting a suggestion that proves you have no clue who you are talking to and then posting this blathering reply full of unfounded prevarications about what I was talking about combined with words you obviously picked out at random from the posts. I can at least say I was attempting to further the cycle of knowledge, thus helping humanity by giving people something to think and argue about on an intellectual level, while the best I see you doing is trying to prevent such an attempt, and thus possibly help in some way to drag the species down into an asinine existence.

OMG How did you Find out. And just becuase you are 20ish doesn't mean u cant enjoy candy. I never said that halloween sucks or that u don't enjoy it, just putting my view that it is a fun holiday that shouldn't be shrowded in the "political correctness" fad that seems to be going on today. Unless someone says somthing really bad, i feel that it should be alowed to be said, I don't care if someone goes around saying Happy Kwanza or Happy Rromidan(pardon i am not muslim) so why should I not be aloud to say something as good feeling as Happy Halloween, or Merry Christmas.

OMG How did you Find out. And just becuase you are 20ish doesn't mean u cant enjoy candy. I never said that halloween sucks or that u don't enjoy it, just putting my view that it is a fun holiday that shouldn't be shrowded in the "political correctness" fad that seems to be going on today. Unless someone says somthing really bad, i feel that it should be alowed to be said, I don't care if someone goes around saying Happy Kwanza or Happy Rromidan(pardon i am not muslim) so why should I not be aloud to say something as good feeling as Happy Halloween, or Merry Christmas.

If you had read my posts, you would have seen I wasn't trying to do that. At all.

Whoever thinks Halloween is evil needs to get their brain checked by a neurologist.
I've got nothing wrong with candy directly; still, I think Halloween should be about scaring the crap out of yourself and traumatizing children :D

I dont know how many schools this has happened but it at my school has banned halloween from its area no class celebrations just "Fall" themed posters about AT walks it seems to me that conservitives have taken this way to far
Even the halloween participation and fun is down :(

yeah that happed in a primary school not far away for mine... but that's only cuz the headmistress is a b*tch..and retiring soon!

I've got nothing wrong with candy directly; still, I think Halloween should be about scaring the crap out of yourself and traumatizing children :D


Yes, well when people go out as kitties or bunnies, I doubt alot of people will be terrified of them.

sorry man,