NationStates Jolt Archive

A very good case against the "lesser of two evils" argument, from a conservative, no less! Clicky: http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin163.htm


Senator Kerry voted against the ACLU more often than he voted for them. Clicky: http://archive.aclu.org/vote-guide/Kerry_J.html
He did not vote to condemn the Abu Gharib prisoner abuse. Clicky: http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3399&can_id=S0421103
He voted for NAFTA. He voted to send troops to Iraq. Clicky: http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/voting.htm


President Bush = bad conservative! Even according to Ron Reagan, the former Prez's son. Clicky: http://www.esquire.com/cgi-bin/printtool/print.cgi?pages=5&filename=%2Ffeatures%2Farticles%2F2004%2F040729_mfe_reagan.html&x=55&y=7


Conclusion: The Democratic Party and the Republican Party have not produced any viable candidates for the presidency. Howard Dean and retired General Wes Clark, the most promising of the Democratic candidates, were attacked and blasted for their progressive views. John McCain, the only Republican worth voting for that has a chance of getting elected, decided not to run (unfortunately).

Therefore: Vote for a minor party. Show your contempt for the practices of the two major parties for giving us such poor candidates. For the Presidential election, vote for Nader, Cobb, Badnarink, etc, rather than the lesser of two evils. Please vote for the candidates for state and local elections, even for Congress, as you see fit, but please -- don't vote for one of the Presidential candidates unless you can truly say, "I believe in ______." Because otherwise, what's the point?

Most Dems I talk to can't say anything good about Kerry; they can only talk bad about Bush, and say, "That's why I'm voting for Kerry." As for Bush, many Republicans and conservatives I know don't believe his big government and big spending policies are very conservative at all (he's spent more than Clinton, for example). They don't want to vote for Bush, but cannot bring themselves to vote for Kerry.

Vote for a third-party candidate.

Then, call your congressional representatives and tell them to stand up to the president -- the president is only equal in power to Congress, not more powerful. Congress has done a very poor job of reigning in the current administration.

Don't vote for Kerry or Bush!

www.votenader.org - Vote Nader!
www.lp.org - Vote Badnarink!

Go Badnarik

just goes to show, you've got your liberal pussies and your right-wing nutjobs>
:confused: :sniper:
don't you love America?

Two problems. Most of the people I know who support Kerry actually support Kerry for his ideas and more rational way of going about doing things. They also dislike Bush immensely.

2nd, the parties didn't "give" us these candidates. The voters chose them in the primaries.

You shouldnt say, dont vote for Kerry or Bush because they are bad. You should say vote for Cobb or Nader or Badnarik (sp?) because they are better.

Personally I think this is basically stupid anyway. Bush and Kerry arent exactly moderate candidate and the Third Party Candidates are much more extreme. What we really need is a moderate party. Maybe AM/PM Party. Americans for Moderates/ Party of Moderates. Trying to think of a cool acronym.

So, you're just going to let all the simpletons choose who will be the President of the country in which you're a citizen? You're basically saying you don't care who they pick, you're not going to put a vote in? Man, you're stupid.

Vote for Kerry for God's sakes !

You're better off not voting than voting for Michael Peroutka or David Cobb or Michael Badnarik. The only thing they have in common is that they hate the 2 major parties. And I think that most people can find a way to fit themselves into the Democratic or Republican parties. Given that America's government is not set up like European parliaments, there's really no use to vote for the Reform Party.

just goes to show, you've got your liberal pussies and your right-wing nutjobs>
:confused: :sniper:
don't you love America?
That covers about everybody except for the confused centrists and anarchic Libertarians

You're better off not voting than voting for Michael Peroutka or David Cobb or Michael Badnarik. The only thing they have in common is that they hate the 2 major parties. And I think that most people can find a way to fit themselves into the Democratic or Republican parties. Given that America's government is not set up like European parliaments, there's really no use to vote for the Reform Party.
Like I said we need a moderate party. I agree with some of what the Reform Party says. We should have more debates etc. The real problem is that those undecided voters probably are not too interested in politics.

You shouldnt say, dont vote for Kerry or Bush because they are bad. You should say vote for Cobb or Nader or Badnarik (sp?) because they are better.

Personally I think this is basically stupid anyway. Bush and Kerry arent exactly moderate candidate and the Third Party Candidates are much more extreme. What we really need is a moderate party. Maybe AM/PM Party. Americans for Moderates/ Party of Moderates. Trying to think of a cool acronym.

What platform would a moderate party run on? Contrasts are what appeal to voters.

That covers about everybody except for the confused centrists and anarchic Libertarians

Those both would vote Democrat ~ moderate.

Why do we have a thread asking people to not fulfill their duties as a citizen?

LOCK REQUEST

Bush has my vote. Roll on!

Those both would vote Democrat ~ moderate.

Not true. As a libertarian, I would rather vote Republican at times (smaller government, free economy, no gun control). And I would say a lot of third-party voters might be pissed of with the Democrats for not having their candidates on the ballot.

Well, your article on Bush is written by Ron Reagan, who, even being Ronald Reagan's son, is a die hard liberal. You'll have to do better than that.

I say do away with this "election" and "democratic republic" insanity and just appoint me as your dictator. Not only am I a moderate, but I'm under 18, and therefore still know everything.

Vote for a future! Vote Kerry!

Originally Posted by Stephistan
Vote for a future! Vote Kerry!

So, you're saying that one man from Texas has the power to increase the rate of entropy in the Universe to the point where time itself ceases to exist?
Sweet!

Note: I'm aware that Pres. Bush was not born in Texas, but true Texans come from all over the world.

Fight the future! Vote for the two parties!

Fight for a new future! Fight to protect democracy! But don't vote for third-party. Vote the lesser of two evils, NOT who you believe who deserves to be president. OK??

:headbang: ok people lets think about this. Bush and kerry both are below avreage candidates. Bush ho \wever is better. U know what u are going to get with him. Kerry u don't. Too many plans :sniper: not enough explanations. Unless u wathced f 9/11 and believed it u have to agree with me. Americans should not take a chance like that at this time :confused:

As things are, I would vote for Kerry. However, in order to truly capture the consent of America, three drastic changes must be made in our voting system.

1)Approval Voting System. This system allows each voter to pick as many candidates as they can live with (ie, I would vote for everyone but Bush). The candidate with the most approvals would be given the applied position.

2)Ban the Electoral System. This system prevents each voter from having equal representation, and is not true democracy.

3)Campaign Finance Reform. Only pro-business candidates have a chance, the way things are now. For more info, check out http://whitehouseforsale.org/

all the people i know who support kerry say he would be better cause he promises things but i think how is he gonna do them he can't say make this guy a job now unfortunally :mad: and a girl in my class says he will make a bigger shopping mall ha how is he gonna do that i say boo to kerry

bush is a little better than kerry but neither one is the best

i think if kerry gets elected i think this country is going to the ground. see what kind of sad leader we have to choose from :headbang:

i just remembered another kerry says he'll stop terrorists how is he gonna know when the strike :sniper: if someone could do that many lifes would be saved



four more years for bush

:gundge: :eek: how can u like kerry his stupid. His a liar it is not possible to trust him. He flip flops :confused: on the major issues. Most of the time he is on the wrong side of the line. Please explain to me:) why vote for him. I mean if u are a terrorist woudn't u be more scared of bush? :D

terrorists should be afraid of bush

Unless you actually agree with his stand on the issues, which at this point is "I'm not them", do not vote for Nader. Unlike 2000, when voting for him actually did a 3rd party, the Greens, some good, this year he does no one any good if you vote for him. If you want to vote for a 3rd party candidate, make it one that does some good. Vote for 3rd parties that will benefit from the increase in funds and potential for being included in the debates. At this point a vote for Nader is pointless, because he obviously won't win and he won't do any 3rd parties any good.

i have only been paying attinion to kerry and bush

BOTTOM LINE DUBYA IS THE BETTER MAN FOR THE JOB AT THIS TIME?
btw there should be a poll wich asks people weather they think we are at real war.