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I have a question. I have been reading these threads and people talk about riots, and suppression of protests and Bush not turning the presidency over to kerry if kerry wins. People who say they are going to move to Europe if Bush wins, people who say they are going to hide there guns if Kerry wins. Am I the only sane person here who realizes that politics is civil and that none of these nighmare scenarios will come to pass?

No, the first sign of insanity is thinking you're the only sane one in a mad world.

They wont. Just nerds on a political forum ranting. They need lives. Go have some fun for once.

Hey, people riot over Football games. Why not political races? Also are we forgetting about "Free Speech Zone"?

Hey, people riot over Football games. Why not political races? Also are we forgetting about "Free Speech Zone"?

Violence is when Free Speech Zone crosses to the Disturbing the Peace Zone.

No, the first sign of insanity is thinking you're the only sane one in a mad world.

wait... I think I'm insane in a sane world... does that make me sane?


Btw, can someone help clip these sleeves to my back... thank you.

Violence is when Free Speech Zone crosses to the Disturbing the Peace Zone.

No what I ment is that Bush Admin decides to establish a "free speech zone" for protesters, and the problem with these zones is that they are so out of the way that no one can hear them.

I'm on AIM with someone I know from back home, and he is claiming that the police pulled him over and gave him a speeding ticket because he is on Bush's black list...Jesus....

And in the other thread where Unfree Peoples said that the fact that the Bush Admin. isn't a torture regime is debateable...

I have a question. I have been reading these threads and people talk about riots, and suppression of protests and Bush not turning the presidency over to kerry if kerry wins. People who say they are going to move to Europe if Bush wins, people who say they are going to hide there guns if Kerry wins. Am I the only sane person here who realizes that politics is civil and that none of these nighmare scenarios will come to pass?

Yes, you are the only one.

If you do not believe that Bush=Hitler or Kerry=Stalin, you do not belong here. Unless you have some unbelievably racist views or whacky religious ideas.

Hey, people riot over Football games. Why not political races? Also are we forgetting about "Free Speech Zone"?

That's because (sadly enough) far more Americans concern themselves with football than with politiics.

*weeps upon the tomb of sanity*

No what I ment is that Bush Admin decides to establish a "free speech zone" for protesters, and the problem with these zones is that they are so out of the way that no one can hear them.

I went to a Bush rally. No one wants to hear them.

I'm on AIM with someone I know from back home, and he is claiming that the police pulled him over and gave him a speeding ticket because he is on Bush's black list...Jesus....

And in the other thread where Unfree Peoples said that the fact that the Bush Admin. isn't a torture regime is debateable...
It's called racial profiling, is it not? It certianly does exist, (even if the guy's white). And my name doesn't have an 's' on the end. :(

*weeps upon the tomb of sanity*

*watches for a moment. Places arm around Andaluciae's shoulder and whispers*

Sanity was a great man... he did great things... his legacy will live on. But so must you. Come, rejoin the world with us... it's not so bad, perhaps you will get used to it...

Thats because Karl Rove has this dumb strategy of only allowing avowed bush supporters to attend rallies. I see that he really cares about undecided voters...

Racial Profiling isnt' torture. Torture tends to involve causing pain for someone in large quantities to change their mind or extract info from them...

and sorry about spelling your name wrong, i might be more coherent if I weren't so damn tired...

*watches for a moment. Places arm around Andaluciae's shoulder and whispers*

Sanity was a great man... he did great things... his legacy will live on. But so must you. Come, rejoin the world with us... it's not so bad, perhaps you will get used to it...

*looks up, tears in eyes, starts wailing*

Why though? Why? He was such a good friend. Why!

Racial Profiling isnt' torture. Torture tends to involve causing pain for someone in large quantities to change their mind or extract info from them... Torture can be as simple as "something causing pain or anguish", which the Bush administration certainly manages to do, both domestically and abroad.

and sorry about spelling your name wrong, i might be more coherent if I weren't so damn tired...Heh, s'ok, I'm exhausted myself and saying things I'll probably deny tomorrow.

I have a question. I have been reading these threads and people talk about riots, and suppression of protests and Bush not turning the presidency over to kerry if kerry wins. People who say they are going to move to Europe if Bush wins, people who say they are going to hide there guns if Kerry wins. Am I the only sane person here who realizes that politics is civil and that none of these nighmare scenarios will come to pass?
Ignore them, they are nutters, last election they were rambling on about Bush starting a war before he finished his first term..... :p ;) :D

And in the other thread where Unfree Peoples said that the fact that the Bush Admin. isn't a torture regime is debateable...

i'd consider the fact that we keep catching them shipping people off to countries known for their human rights abuses for 'questioning', and the fact that we have caught them torturing multiple people (with at least a dozen or so deaths from it) in multiple us run camps in multiple countries, and the fact that we have the memo where the whitehouse claimed legal justification for torture to be something of a giveaway in this matter. don't you?

bush = hitler, no. american politics dominated by something very much like fascism, absolutely.

Am I actually going to move to Canada if Bush wins? No. Will I make sure I can at a moment's notice. Yes, actually I will.

Seriously, if you don't believe this administration does some pretty illegal/unconsitutional/non-American-politics-style stuff, do a little research.
1. Barring voters in predominantly African-American counties in Florida in 2000.
2. The Patriot Act. Oh wow. They've rendered judicial oversight over stuff like warrants almost completely void. And that's just the beginning. For a while they were talking about writing into Patriot II provisions to strip citizenship from terror suspects so they wouldn't be protected by the constitution. I'm not making this shit up.
3. Holding thousands of "terror suspects" (I quote because they never have to explain why they're considered suspects. It's totally arbitrary.) in jails without charges, trial, legal representation, timetable for release or warrant.
4. Declaring the Geneva Convention null and void re: prisoners captured in Afghanistan (most of whom have been shown to be of little or no intelligence value and NOT affiliated with Al-Qaeda, yet letting them out of Guantanamo sure seems to be taking an awfully long time.)
5. Perpetually changing the justification for why we went to war in Iraq. Makes me think they don't believe themselves--aka, they're lying.

Seriously, this administration is not behaving legally.

Just for the paranoid people, you do realize that all the Patriot Act did was extend drug charge capabilities already in existence to Terrorism charges?

Just for the paranoid people, you do realize that all the Patriot Act did was extend drug charge capabilities already in existence to Terrorism charges?

Missive from the Commonwealth of terran individualists:

the way conspiracies work is: people who deny that there is a conspiracy are their tools.

they deny over and over again tha there is a conspiracy.

they seek to make people who have discovered evidence of conspiracy doubtful of their own sanity.

but what they end up actually proving is their own determination to deny their actuality of groups doing other than what they admit -- mass8ive denials including for example -- prescot bush, the gradfather of the amerinan president george, was found guilty of giving millions to the National Socialist Germans at the height of fighting -- becoming more of a benedict arnold perhaps than any American since bendict arnold. the profits accrued form these trades with nazis by Bush enabled his son and grandson to finagle richly in the beltwar powerbroker scene and angle their way into the white house.

this is the sort of true actual history that 'debunkers' banally deny and go out of their way to make those who find the facts feel uncomfortable as bearers and sharers of true information.

that's just the way debunkers are.

denial is the way conspiracies remain secret.

oh, yeah, that's how they do it. also the trick is to imply to the person who has intuited or gleaned thetruth that they must s9omehwo be insane for not accepting the generally agreed to story. sometimes it works because debunkers re often most skilled at attacking people who know what going on --

thus a secret conspiracy remians a secret -- sometimes. but of course if those who are conspiring are actually conspiring and denying that they are doing so --

George HW Bush for example was teh CIA director who advised Dick Nixon to resign. i won;t provide proof because it's true, it's historical fact -- but a debunker might want to confuse the issue --0because debunkers re playing either conciously or subconsciously collusin in the fatc. i imagin ethe debunkers here will just blow off what i have to say -- because it is true -- and go on saying bla bla bla conspiracy theorists are all insane.


that's cool. as the various tricks of conpriacy inexorably becaome the stuff of day to day conversation it is the dummy debunkers who say kibosh to everything actually going down who will become the real social paraiahs, as people begin to realise tha they have been suckered and these debunkers have been assiting in the deception by making it seem as if people who found out what was true were liars or insane.


best,
dr v jones
Commonwealth of terran Individualists international relations chair.

this is a little funner than simcity

Just for the paranoid people, you do realize that all the Patriot Act did was extend drug charge capabilities already in existence to Terrorism charges?

that is both factually false (as in, it contains some entirely novel bits to destroy freedom and doesn't merely expand upon earlier destruction) and also is not an argument in favor of the patriot act. after all, those earlier laws regarding 'drug crimes' and 'terrorism' themselves smelled rather strongly from their police-state leanings.

That's because (sadly enough) far more Americans concern themselves with football than with politiics.

Especially as its such a crap sport. ;)

i blame Michale Moore. that guy has NO authority to criticise anyone, even bush. He's a git.