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He's staked his whole credibility on helping to defeat Bush. What will he do?

Make a movie about how he stole the 2000 and 2004 elections.

Kill himself..hopefully.

He's staked his whole credibility on helping to defeat Bush. What will he do?
Maybe you forgot how much crap he gave Clinton? Or maybe back when he was doing that you didn't care....

EDIT: OR maybe, just maybe-I shot my mouth off without reading the thread title correctly.......

He'll keep at it. Bush winnning doesn't invalidate him...(and here comes the 'he invalidates himself' routines...)

Whatever it is I gaurantee it involves consuming vast quantities of donuts and chocolate syrup.

Hot dogs too, probably.

I'd bet nachos with cheese sauce will be included in the tally as well

He's staked his whole credibility on helping to defeat Bush. What will he do?
Evidentl, keep collaborating with UBL. :D

Hopefully he'll join George Soros and move out of the US.

He's staked his whole credibility on helping to defeat Bush. What will he do?

:D

I think I'll add Moore in as an addendum to my non-gloating pledge:

________
Non-Gloating Pledge

Condition Subsequent:

Outrageous behavior/publicity stunt by Michael Moore or similar celebrity shall stand as grounds for immediate nullification of Non-Gloating pledge on grounds of Objective Impossibility of Performance.
________

;)

I'd bet nachos with cheese sauce will be included in the tally as well

One thing's for cetain, he will continue to get fatter.

He's staked his whole credibility on helping to defeat Bush. What will he do?
The same things he's been doing these past 4 years.

i'm sorry, but what crap on Clinton... during those years he targeted big businesses and politcians but which ones were targeted on Clinton the way F-9/11 was targeting Bush?

One thing's for cetain, he will continue to get fatter.
Yeah, until he collapses in on himself, creating a black hole.

Yeah, until he collapses in on himself, creating a black hole.

That would totally suck.

That would totally suck.

Black hole = suck = brilliant.

HAHAHAHA

Black holes do tend to do that.

((or is it more PC to say "melanin-enritched hole"? I can never keep up these days.))

Michael Moore has no credibility.....But I think he will make some "documentary" about how the elections were rigged.

Michael Moore has no credibility.....But I think he will make some "documentary" about how the elections were rigged.

He never did though.

Even Bravo fired him.

He never did though.

Even Bravo fired him.

I agree..Michael moore hasn't had credibility since he learned to talk

Well, he'll be in the doughnut shop, and the radio will be on, and he'll hear "George W. Bush gets a second term, he has won the election!" and Moore will choke on his maple bar, and cum all over the guy behind the counter, because he gets to make more movies and make millions more!

Well, he'll be in the doughnut shop, and the radio will be on, and he'll hear "George W. Bush gets a second term, he has won the election!" and Moore will choke on his maple bar, and cum all over the guy behind the counter, because he gets to make more movies and make millions more!

"Thanks for that image Johnny"
:headbang:
Mommy make the image go awwwwaaaaayyyy! :(

I agree..Michael moore hasn't had credibility since he learned to talk

The amazing thing was, they fired him before they were bought out by people who though it would be a good idea to actually have viewers. He was fired by people who seemed to believe that the point of owning a tv channel was to make it so bad no-one would ever watch. No inside the actors studio crap back in those days. And yet even though Moore made the most awful TV show ever, they still fired him. So you can only conclude he's an even bigger butthole in person.

I for one hope that his morbid obesity causes a premature fatal heart attack.

The same things he's been doing these past 4 years.

I think you're right. Moore needs Bush to be re-elected more than people realize. If Kerry became president, Moore, having supported him so vocally, would have no obvious target.

I think you're right. Moore needs Bush to be re-elected more than people realize. If Kerry became president, Moore, having supported him so vocally, would have no obvious target.
He'll take after Mcdonalds and other reasteraunts for making him swollen.

I think you're right. Moore needs Bush to be re-elected more than people realize. If Kerry became president, Moore, having supported him so vocally, would have no obvious target.

He's already planning to go after the private healthcare industry. Its in pre-production now.

He's already planning to go after the private healthcare industry. Its in pre-production now.
Is he going to expose Edwards complicity for the sad state of the American medical system?

Don't people tend to eat a lot when they're depressed? And considering Michael Moore's size...oh, boy. Talk about a candidate for a heart attack.

Is he going to expose Edwards complicity for the sad state of the American medical system?

No you silly. Moore loves trial lawyers. He plans to blame: insurance companies, pharmaceutcal companies, Doctors, Nurses and Republican's (for not supporting Hillary Care).

No you silly. Moore loves trial lawyers. He plans to blame: insurance companies, pharmaceutcal companies, Doctors, Nurses and Republican's (for not supporting Hillary Care). :D

People,

You seriously don't understand what Moore has done for your country do you? Do American's realize how many people don't like them? How many countries are against them?

It's not only the French, it's the Canadians, the Italians, the Kiwi's, the Krauts and even, believe it or not, some Aussies (I am speaking very generally here, there is obviously not 100% like or dislike of any country).. You guys have done so many bad things for the world - all in the name of freedom and liberty. You've never had a homeland war, but you invade more countries than anyone else. Terrorism has been around in other countries for decades, but as soon as it happens to you - the whole world has to conform.

Michael Moore illustrates to the world that you guys - yanks - are no full of themselves like we percieve them, that they are not the superior race, rather they are full of stupid poor people who are greatly opressed... but also shows the good and decent side of American behaviour.

He shows the world it isn't the people but the government that makes the world such a dangerous place... No one like to look into the mirror and see an ugly face but unfortunately, I think Moore has done more positive things for your country than bad... at least internationally.

It's hard to believe that you guys are mocking him.. you know, what he says is only words unless they're true.

God Save The Queen of The Commonwealth.

Michael Moore also twists facts, creates new truths by omission, selective editing and double speak... kinda like the BBC News.

We know how people feel about us, we also know that America is targetted by radical groups every day. One day everyone's "Help us America"... then when we send help, "look - Americans are imposing their will on us." TONS of perfectly good grain are rotting in wherehouses in Africa. There are people starving right outside the doors, why? Because the African Government doesn't want "altered" grain in their country... reguardless of the fact that Americans eat it every day. No they feel that America is trying to poison their people. Who do those starving people blame... America, Why? Because their Government doesn't have the balls to tell their people why they cannot get the grain... they leave it to the American Embassy to explain why.

He is a fat turdbag.

He treats people abominably.

Besides, just because we ridicule him does not mean we don't like him personally... I just don't like how he passes his work as "true documentaries."

Besides, just because we ridicule him does not mean we don't like him personally... I just don't like how he passes his work as "true documentaries."

Actually I don't like him personally.

My cable box is stuck on the Bravo channel, so I've actually watched his TV show "The awful truth."

He should pay for that. I hope he chokes on a Donut.

Actually I don't like him personally.

My cable box is stuck on the Bravo channel, so I've actually watched his TV show "The awful truth."

He should pay for that. I hope he chokes on a Donut.


Correction Decus, apparently some people don't like him personnally. :D

We know how people feel about us, we also know that America is targetted by radical groups every day. One day everyone's "Help us America"... then when we send help, "look - Americans are imposing their will on us." TONS of perfectly good grain are rotting in wherehouses in Africa. There are people starving right outside the doors, why? Because the African Government doesn't want "altered" grain in their country... reguardless of the fact that Americans eat it every day. No they feel that America is trying to poison their people. Who do those starving people blame... America, Why? Because their Government doesn't have the balls to tell their people why they cannot get the grain... they leave it to the American Embassy to explain why.

I don't believe for one moment that this isn't true... but explain to me why the Department of Defence has store of medical equipment in their warehouses in Kuwait that was sent to them by the UN for hospitals etc. but has been banned by the US because the defibliaters could - big could - be used as equipment in creating warfare equipment?

Explain why the cancer rate has tripled since the invasion of Iraq - primarily due to Uranium poisoning - conincidently the US uses uranium tipped shells in some of their armoury...

Explain why the US placed sanctions over Iraq which stopped foreign food getting into the country until they started to pump out oil for the US.. Food for Oil program...?

It's not black and white people.. and this is the reason for your rep. Michael Moore is a necessary gem among a dirty heap of stones.

I don't believe for one moment that this isn't true... but explain to me why the Department of Defence has store of medical equipment in their warehouses in Kuwait that was sent to them by the UN for hospitals etc. but has been banned by the US because the defibliaters could - big could - be used as equipment in creating warfare equipment?

Explain why the cancer rate has tripled since the invasion of Iraq - primarily due to Uranium poisoning - conincidently the US uses uranium tipped shells in some of their armoury...

Explain why the US placed sanctions over Iraq which stopped foreign food getting into the country until they started to pump out oil for the US.. Food for Oil program...?

It's not black and white people.. and this is the reason for your rep. Michael Moore is a necessary gem among a dirty heap of stones.


What has all that got to do with the fat turdbag. This country is full of people who report stuff like that everyday. He's not the only one.

Plus fattys problem is that he interweaves so many lies with the facts you don't know what's true and what's not with his stuff. He serves no purpose and, in any event, is tremendously fat. (Plus he hates crippled people).

He should donate some of his food pile to the starving.

Funny really...the insult people most often throw at Moore is that he's "fat". How incredibly mature. Occasionally people try and undermine the motives behind his arguments. Has anyone considered actually analysing his arguments themselves?

If Bush wins, Moore will keep at it. If Kerry wins, I'll expect Moore will keep at it - he's a journalist, his job is to criticise the government and pick at its faults. In most countries, this is normal. Strangely enough, any critical journalist in the US seems to come under massive fire.

Funny really...the insult people most often throw at Moore is that he's "fat". How incredibly mature. Occasionally people try and undermine the motives behind his arguments. Has anyone considered actually analysing his arguments themselves?

Because he is fat. Very fat.

And what arguments? He never makes any arguments. He just slaps shit together in a biased way. I challenge you to tell me what his argument was in bowling for columbine, other than white people are racist and like guns, which he never really supports. For some reason belly boy seems to think that a five minute cartoon is competant evidence.

Plus he does hate crippled people. It's disgusting.

If Bush wins, Moore will keep at it. If Kerry wins, I'll expect Moore will keep at it - he's a journalist, his job is to criticise the government and pick at its faults. In most countries, this is normal. Strangely enough, any critical journalist in the US seems to come under massive fire.


Of course he'l' keep at it. I said so above didn't I? It's healthcare next.

But seriously, his style is moronic.

As I said Decus, we know how other countries view us... Michael Moore just makes money off of those views.

Here are some links... by the way. some of them are from London. Moore a gem?... I guess you're right. :rolleyes:

http://www.9types.com/movieboard/messages/13597.html

http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031016b.html

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

Excellent websites. But they a remiss in not critizing his fatness.

I don't blame him for being overweight... I am too. :D

I don't make fun of any overweight people other than Moore. I make fun of moore for it, because that's exactly what he would do to overweight people it he was thin.

Hey, I'm not stopping you... after all, I've seen the guy and he is a porker.

True, true.

Like I said I hope he chokes on a donut.

OMG OMG OGM!!!@@~@!@

MICHAEL MOORE IS FAT??!?!??!

SHIT!

HE MUST BE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING?!?!@@@@@

People, seriously. Read "Downsize This". He absolutely rips Clinton. Not as much as Bush, granted, but then again alot of people preferred him. Let the man have his opinions for Christ's sake.

Oh and Limbaugh is (or was?) fat, too but that doesn't have any bearing on the validity his opinions.

OMG OMG OGM!!!@@~@!@

MICHAEL MOORE IS FAT??!?!??!

SHIT!

HE MUST BE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING?!?!@@@@@

People, seriously. Read "Downsize This". He absolutely rips Clinton. Not as much as Bush, granted, but then again alot of people preferred him. Let the man have his opinions for Christ's sake.

Oh and Limbaugh is (or was?) fat, too but that doesn't have any bearing on the validity his opinions.

You forgot that Micheal Moore hates crippled people too. And I don't say that he shouldn't have opinions, he just shouldn't pretend they are fact. He is a lying hypocrit.

I don't like limbaugh either. For much the same reason. I hope they both choke on donuts.

What's this facination with Death by Doughnuts???

I protest Moore not of his weight, but the fact that he will distorte the truth and sell it as facts. Reguardless of who gets hurt.

You forgot that Micheal Moore hates crippled people too. And I don't say that he shouldn't have opinions, he just shouldn't pretend they are fact. He is a lying hypocrit.

I don't like limbaugh either. For much the same reason. I hope they both choke on donuts.

Where does it say he hates crippled people?

I won't deny he misleads like anybody who wants to further an agenda (most people) but I've yet to find an outright lie.

And where's his hypocrisy?

What's this facination with Death by Doughnuts???

I protest Moore not of his weight, but the fact that he will distorte the truth and sell it as facts. Reguardless of who gets hurt.

Just seems like an apt expression. I'm fine with him being hit by a truck or having a piano dropped on him.

Why are so many people put-off by Michael Moore expressing his opinions? We have to listen to the right-wing propaganda all the time; it's nice to hear the other slant once in a while. ...By the way, to answer the original question, it's obvious, he'll keep making movies and books.

Where does it say he hates crippled people?

I won't deny he misleads like anybody who wants to further an agenda (most people) but I've yet to find an outright lie.

And where's his hypocrisy?

He tells outriught lies all the time. Like the time he "purchased ammo" in wal mart.

Also the wheelchair kid he hangs out with and calls his "friend" in bowling for colombine was on TV, and he said that moore was all nice during the filming and claimed he was the kids friend. But after it was over he refused to take the kids calls and never answered his letters, Now why would you do something like that unless you hated someone, and in this case the someone is crippled. Ergo he hates cripples people. QED.

Why are so many people put-off by Michael Moore expressing his opinions? We have to listen to the right-wing propaganda all the time; it's nice to hear the other slant once in a while. ...By the way, to answer the original question, it's obvious, he'll keep making movies and books.

Oh, you have CBS news as well, and nightline, and This week, and The Washington Post, and The New York Times, and The Boston Globe, and CNN, and The LA Times, and MSNBC, and PBS news. and the BBC............

c'mon. its not like you'd miss Moore that much,

He tells outriught lies all the time. Like the time he "purchased ammo" in wal mart.

Also the wheelchair kid he hangs out with and calls his "friend" in bowling for colombine was on TV, and he said that moore was all nice during the filming and claimed he was the kids friend. But after it was over he refused to take the kids calls and never answered his letters, Now why would you do something like that unless you hated someone, and in this case the someone is crippled. Ergo he hates cripples people. QED.

He did purchase ammo in wal-mart, didn't he? And what are your sources for the other claims?

...I won't deny he misleads like anybody who wants to further an agenda (most people) but I've yet to find an outright lie.

And where's his hypocrisy?

check out post #40. there are links to people who studied his films and found inconsistances, editing and fabrication.

and CoteSelig. there is a difference between telling everyone your opinion (and perhaps backing it up with facts) and telling everyone that your opinions are facts and backing them up with "creative editing."

He did purchase ammo in wal-mart, didn't he? And what are your sources for the other claims?


What sources, I saw it on TV. If I was a movie impressario like moore I'd "reenact" it for the camera's and then post it on the internet - see post 40 - but i'm not so I can't.

But its true. I'm sure if you google the kids name, which I can't remember you find the story.

Like i said he hates crippled people.

What sources, I saw it on TV. If I was a movie impressario like moore I'd "reenact" it for the camera's and then post it on the internet - see post 40 - but i'm not so I can't.

But its true. I'm sure if you google the kids name, which I can't remember you find the story.

Like i said he hates crippled people.

*shrugs* all I'm saying is that man has his opinions, as do other people. Either you subscribe to some, or all of them or you don't. Simple as that. I'm not denying it's propaganda but it's just an opinion. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

*shrugs* all I'm saying is that man has his opinions, as do other people. Either you subscribe to some, or all of them or you don't. Simple as that. I'm not denying it's propaganda but it's just an opinion. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

Opinions which he presents as fact.

Look bottom line is he should be posting here, that's about his level, not being lauded as a great journalist and documentary maker.

And if he had an ounce of integrity he would see its gone to far and admit the fictions. But he won't cause all he cares about is money - and food.

*shrugs* all I'm saying is that man has his opinions, as do other people. Either you subscribe to some, or all of them or you don't. Simple as that. I'm not denying it's propaganda but it's just an opinion. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

that's my sticking point... you admit it's propaganda, he insists that it's the TRUTH. He will fight anyone and do his best to keep people from realizing that it's propaganda and lies.

I don't and won't deny his opinions but he doen't claim that their opinions but fact-backed truth.

that's my sticking point... you admit it's propaganda, he insists that it's the TRUTH. He will fight anyone and do his best to keep people from realizing that it's propaganda and lies.

I don't and won't deny his opinions but he doen't claim that their opinions but fact-backed truth.

Hear Hear!

Also the wheelchair kid he hangs out with and calls his "friend" in bowling for colombine was on TV, and he said that moore was all nice during the filming and claimed he was the kids friend. But after it was over he refused to take the kids calls and never answered his letters, Now why would you do something like that unless you hated someone, and in this case the someone is crippled. Ergo he hates cripples people. QED.

This is fallacious. (Post hoc ergo propter hoc, I think.)

Even accepting that Mr. Moore hates the boy, which, as I'm sure most people can see, is dubious, it does not follow from

Michael Moore hates a crippled boy

that

Michael Moore hates a boy BECAUSE he is crippled

Duh.

This is fallacious. (Post hoc ergo propter hoc, I think.)

Even accepting that Mr. Moore hates the boy, which, as I'm sure most people can see, is dubious, it does not follow from

Michael Moore hates a crippled boy

that

Michael Moore hates a boy BECAUSE he is crippled

Duh.


Would you accept that he's rude then?

Because he is fat. Very fat.

And what arguments? He never makes any arguments. He just slaps shit together in a biased way. I challenge you to tell me what his argument was in bowling for columbine, other than white people are racist and like guns, which he never really supports. For some reason belly boy seems to think that a five minute cartoon is competant evidence.

Plus he does hate crippled people. It's disgusting.




Of course he'l' keep at it. I said so above didn't I? It's healthcare next.

But seriously, his style is moronic.


To be honest i think Americans are getting a bit fired up over fat guy called Michael. He's a political animal and as such he puts his own slant on all his arguments, its what he believes and its his job. He's no different than a million other journos who have left or right bias.
As for Bowling for Columbine, the whole point was NOT that white people are racist and like guns. It was WHY are so many white people racist and like guns? His theory was Americans are scared, historically, and their fear of criminals, communists or (nowadays) terrorists makes them very insecure. Could be true, might not be...
Anyway, as long as Fox news is allowed to bullshit as much as it like, Mike can too. Doesnt make him right, but thats not the point is it. He'll continue to make movies/TV shows blasting people he doesnt like...hes not good at anything else.

If the story about his ignoring the kid is true, then yeah, that's really rude.
If. I'd like to see some substantiation.

To be honest, I don't know much about the guy, I've never seen any of his films (a gross oversight, I'm sure).

I'm just a hawk for logical fallacies.

This is fallacious. (Post hoc ergo propter hoc, I think.)

Even accepting that Mr. Moore hates the boy, which, as I'm sure most people can see, is dubious, it does not follow from

Michael Moore hates a crippled boy

that

Michael Moore hates a boy BECAUSE he is crippled

Duh.

Actually I think it is the fallacy of the undistributed middle, but its a long time since I took logic. (I was a freshman as I recall).

Post hoc propter hoc, is a implies c, b implies c, therfore a implies b. (I think).

Anyway its my argument is exactly like the ones moore uses. i.e. look at the bad man with a gun, therefore all men with guns are bad, why else would he blame charlton heston for the death of a young girl he'd never met, eh?

BTW, Charlton Heston was highly active in the civil rights movement. He's done more for this country than a thousand michael moores. They way people applaud moore for his ambush interview is ignorant and disgusting.

at least no-one's trying to argue that he is an idiot because he is fat and eats nachos and cheese. Rudimentary idiocy at its finest, that argument was

I had it down as

after therefore because of.
You're probably right. Apologies.

All this business of him choking on a doughnut, do people really want him dead for criticising the govnt.?

All this business of him choking on a doughnut, do people really want him dead for criticising the govnt.?
In all seriousness dude its just some light hearted humourous imagery of a noted porker choking to death on a donut- it would be much funnier if Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh choked to death on each others cocks- but donuts are funny too. I dont think any of the people making jokes seriously wish either of these fat lying sacks of shit any harm.

[QUOTE=Catholic Germany]Make a movie about how he stole the 2000 and 2004 elections.[/Q

Whinge moan carp and hopefully kill himself :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :sniper:

All this business of him choking on a doughnut, do people really want him dead for criticising the govnt.?
No, but him choking would be sweet justice.

Oh, you have CBS news as well, and nightline, and This week, and The Washington Post, and The New York Times, and The Boston Globe, and CNN, and The LA Times, and MSNBC, and PBS news. and the BBC............

c'mon. its not like you'd miss Moore that much,
Oh yeah, "everyone but FOX has a liberal bias." Cut that shit. You just attack them for not having a right-wing bias.

I'm not really certain about the others but I know for a fact the BBC is not biased. Could you give examples? And exposing government lies doesn't count as "bias" - it's good journalism.

that's my sticking point... you admit it's propaganda, he insists that it's the TRUTH. He will fight anyone and do his best to keep people from realizing that it's propaganda and lies.
Actually, I read a piece by hi on his website back in August. He was replying to the charges in the press that Fahrenheit 9/11 was propaganda. He said that yes, his film is propaganda, but that the press rarely calls out the government for their propaganda.

He doesn't deny that it's propaganda, he denies that he's lying, which isn't the same. Propaganda is simply politically biased information, and the most effective propaganda doesn't lie, but leaves out certain facts.

I love how there's so much hate aimed at Moore.

I mean, really, people...isn't that what he's TRYING to do?

Ok, he's rude. And he's fat. The difference between him and right wing counterparts is, he's not VIOLENT. He's more goofy then anything else.

And you know what? I didn't hear all the spew about him when he did Bowling. Not once. But he dares to criticize the president, and suddenly every right winger's thong shrinks to 3 sizes too small.

Actually, I read a piece by hi on his website back in August. He was replying to the charges in the press that Fahrenheit 9/11 was propaganda. He said that yes, his film is propaganda, but that the press rarely calls out the government for their propaganda.

He doesn't deny that it's propaganda, he denies that he's lying, which isn't the same. Propaganda is simply politically biased information, and the most effective propaganda doesn't lie, but leaves out certain facts.

except that for Bowling... he accepted the Oscar for Best Documentary.

Ah, http://www.bowlingfortruth.com
I've read this site many times, and time and time again I become more convinced of how useless it is. A couple of excerpts, followed by my comments:
“Christopher Hitchens:
The same "let's have it both ways" opportunism infects his treatment of another very serious subject, namely domestic counterterrorist policy. From being accused of overlooking too many warnings—not exactly an original point—the administration is now lavishly taunted for issuing too many. (Would there not have been "fear" if the harbingers of 9/11 had been taken seriously?) We are shown some American civilians who have had absurd encounters with idiotic "security" staff. (Have you ever met anyone who can't tell such a story?) Then we are immediately shown underfunded police departments that don't have the means or the manpower to do any stop-and-search: a power suddenly demanded by Moore on their behalf that we know by definition would at least lead to some ridiculous interrogations. Finally, Moore complains that there isn't enough intrusion and confiscation at airports and says that it is appalling that every air traveler is not forcibly relieved of all matches and lighters. (Cue mood music for sinister influence of Big Tobacco.) So—he wants even more pocket-rummaging by airport officials? Uh, no, not exactly. But by this stage, who's counting? Moore is having it three ways and asserting everything and nothing. Again—simply not serious.”

Okay… so Moore talks about how the counter-terrorism policies are contradictory (Which was the point of the segment referred to), and that must mean that he’s contradicting himself…. Yeah, right. I fail to see how the man’s pointing out of the fact that the behaviour of “Idiotic “security” staff” (Why exactly Security is quotation marks is beyond me, and yes, I do know many people who don’t have such a story) doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense when you consider that the airlines don’t have a problem with people taking lighters on planes can be taken to mean that Moore is the one who’s trying to have it both ways. He (Moore) does not at any point state that more power should be given to underfunded police forces or that people should be searched more thoroughly… that assertion is merely inferred by this writer. All Moore was saying was: The policy contradicts itself, isn’t that silly? Now, on to my next trivial point!

Here’s another:
“There's more. Poor people often volunteer to join the army, and some of them are duskier than others. Betcha didn't know that. Back in Flint, Mich., Moore feels on safe ground. There are no martyred rabbits this time. Instead, it's the poor and black who shoulder the packs and rifles and march away. I won't dwell on the fact that black Americans have fought for almost a century and a half, from insisting on their right to join the U.S. Army and fight in the Civil War to the right to have a desegregated Army that set the pace for post-1945 civil rights. I'll merely ask this: In the film, Moore says loudly and repeatedly that not enough troops were sent to garrison Afghanistan and Iraq. (This is now a favorite cleverness of those who were, in the first place, against sending any soldiers at all.) Well, where does he think those needful heroes and heroines would have come from? Does he favor a draft—the most statist and oppressive solution? Does he think that only hapless and gullible proles sign up for the Marines? Does he think—as he seems to suggest—that parents can "send" their children, as he stupidly asks elected members of Congress to do? Would he have abandoned Gettysburg because the Union allowed civilians to pay proxies to serve in their place? Would he have supported the antidraft (and very antiblack) riots against Lincoln in New York? After a point, one realizes that it's a waste of time asking him questions of this sort. It would be too much like taking him seriously. He'll just try anything once and see if it floats or flies or gets a cheer.”

Okay… so first off the writer here argues that Moore hasn’t revealed much by saying that poor, black people volunteer for the military. Well, I guess he should have just assumed the entire audience was already thinking, “Gee, you fat bastard, aren’t a lot of poor black people in the army? Maybe you should talk about how they’re being taken advantage of.”, and skipped the introduction of this fact. This is followed by the writer dwelling on a number of points (which he says he won’t dwell on) about black people wanting to serve their country in the past (assuming of course that a war fought for those black folks’ freedom from slavery and a war against Nazis are analogous to a war fought against a dictator on the other side of the world… but that point is debatable one way or the other) and then moving on to his knockout punch: “In the film, Moore says loudly and repeatedly that not enough troops were sent to garrison Afghanistan and Iraq.” Now, maybe I wasn’t paying as good attention to what the film said as this guy was, but I thought Moore was trying to say that the fact not enough troops were sent was evidence of the fact that Bush wasn’t as eager to fight terrorism as he said he was. He never said “send more troops” at all (except for his harassing of senators, which was, admittedly, silly). Not to mention other spots where this site points out facts that were already stated in Moore’s film. For example: The presidency travels with the President. President Bush said that in the film, but bowlingfortruth.com seems to think pointing it out helps to support their expose of Moore’s lies. Another point: Osama bin Laden is estranged from his family. Moore states this that this is often said, and then acts to refute it by showing an excerpt from a Larry King interview. Now, the site doesn’t, to the best of my knowledge, attempt to discredit anything that is said in that interview, but merely states the original point about bin Laden and his family. (If anything I've said about the site is inaccurate, it may be out of date, because I'd read those points not specifically quoted a couple months ago.)

All of this having been said, the site manages to point out a handful of useful facts, but I don’t need a website to tell me that Moore’s manipulative. Take Bowling for Columbine, for example. His confrontation with Charleton Heston accomplishes…. What? He’s already gone about arguing that guns aren’t really to blame, but it’s the fear that is pervasive in American society…. Alright, so why attack the NRA? If it’s the media’s fault, why put the photo of a little girl on Heston’s property? Oh yeah, to get applause.

Kill himself..hopefully.

If he doesnt do it himself an angry republican will :)

If he doesnt do it himself an angry republican will :)
Why bother, he will eat himself to death soon enough, and repent on his deathbed, like any good lefty.

he could be Dan Rather's successor at CBS they have the same standard of objectivity.

Why bother, he will eat himself to death soon enough, and repent on his deathbed, like any good lefty.
Of course. Everyone with a left wing political opinion repents at his deathbed... like Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Trotsky, Tommy Douglas, Lester B. Pearson.... Or maybe they all eat themselves to death. But Tommy Douglas only weighed around 140 pounds... hmm. Nope, I can't make any sense of your post.

Maybe he will finally come out of the closet....I can see it now, he'll be on queer eye for the straight guy, and then out comes the emotional outpouring of how he is gay. he'll probably keep eating because of depression, and stay home and watch oprah all day, eating the proverbial bon bons....if bon bons can even be proverbial. anyhow, he will be out of public view for the most part, only resurfacing occasionally in the media to be made fun of.

..in relation to the fact that Mr. Moore broke Canadian Law. During the recent federal elections in Canada, Mr. Moore came into Canada and began to encourage voters, in a public manner, to not vote for a particular candidate based on certain "facts" Mr. Moore provided, which were in fact uninformed opinions of what said candidate actually had in mind, and what the effects of said actions would have had on the Canadian people.

The fact is, Mr. Moore's misinterpretations, assumptions and slippery slopes aside, that Mr. Moore broke Canadian Law. The Canada Election Act clearly forbids any foreign citizen from coming into Canada and attempting to unduly influence the country's election process. However, when the issue was raised by Canadian Citizens to Parliament, it was ignored.

Its kind of silly of me, I know--but I guess I'm just perturbed that the man is SO well liked by *some* people here in Canada that he can do something ILLEGAL and get off scot free. And yet, these people still call themselves "educated". *scoff*

..in relation to the fact that Mr. Moore broke Canadian Law. During the recent federal elections in Canada, Mr. Moore came into Canada and began to encourage voters, in a public manner, to not vote for a particular candidate based on certain "facts" Mr. Moore provided, which were in fact uninformed opinions of what said candidate actually had in mind, and what the effects of said actions would have had on the Canadian people.

The fact is, Mr. Moore's misinterpretations, assumptions and slippery slopes aside, that Mr. Moore broke Canadian Law. The Canada Election Act clearly forbids any foreign citizen from coming into Canada and attempting to unduly influence the country's election process. However, when the issue was raised by Canadian Citizens to Parliament, it was ignored.

Its kind of silly of me, I know--but I guess I'm just perturbed that the man is SO well liked by *some* people here in Canada that he can do something ILLEGAL and get off scot free. And yet, these people still call themselves "educated". *scoff*

How many foreigners have been charged under that particular law? Specifically the part stating foreign citizens cannot attempt to influence voters. Try to find one example: I assure you you will not. Wanna know why? Because it's a stupid law, and if it ever went to court, it would be struck down for violating Freedom of Expression. However, the law restricts the amount of money that individuals can spend in campaign donations, in an attempt to prevent certain wealthy groups from buying an election (and, once the election is won, a government). Of course, if the law was struck down, these wealthy groups would not be so restricted anymore... hypothetically, of course. Well, that's just my "Uneducated" opinion on it. Hell, if Charleton Heston wanted to come up and condemn the Liberals for gun registration, there's no reason why he shouldn't either. Let everyone talk about Canada. Our politics could use some more attention.

Make a few more movies about Bush, of course. In fact, I think he secretly wants Bush to win, because if Kerry wins, he'll destroy Moore's livelihood, and give rise to a right-wing version of him. After all, political documentary makers tend to come from the side of dissent.

Probably drop to his knees, scream, then go on a panicking rampage until he drops dead of a heart attack.

Pretty much the same as me, except that it will be my friends slapping me that stops my rampage because I'm not fat enough or old enough to have a heart attack.

He's staked his whole credibility on helping to defeat Bush. What will he do?

He'll get even richer with 4 more years of Bush material to make movies with!

Redskins lost, Bush is going down any way! :)

..in relation to the fact that Mr. Moore broke Canadian Law. During the recent federal elections in Canada, Mr. Moore came into Canada and began to encourage voters, in a public manner, to not vote for a particular candidate based on certain "facts" Mr. Moore provided, which were in fact uninformed opinions of what said candidate actually had in mind, and what the effects of said actions would have had on the Canadian people.

The fact is, Mr. Moore's misinterpretations, assumptions and slippery slopes aside, that Mr. Moore broke Canadian Law. The Canada Election Act clearly forbids any foreign citizen from coming into Canada and attempting to unduly influence the country's election process. However, when the issue was raised by Canadian Citizens to Parliament, it was ignored.

Its kind of silly of me, I know--but I guess I'm just perturbed that the man is SO well liked by *some* people here in Canada that he can do something ILLEGAL and get off scot free. And yet, these people still call themselves "educated". *scoff*
Perhaps it's just a matter of how you have phrased things, but from what you describe, there's no cause of action here.

To be honest if much of what I have read on sites criticising Moore is representitive of the general critism levelled at Moore, the problem isnt Moore, it is a combination of a lack of critical interpreting skills (amongst consumers) and current media trends. What Moore does is by no means uncommon or out of the ordinary in modern media, so if people are struggling to seperate substance from spin, fact from opinion, fallacious representations from honestly presented truth/lies etc, they either need to wise up, get a clue and demand media standards/methodologies more appropriate to their critical reasoning abilities, or wise up, get a clue and a working knowledge of critical interpretation...

he will move to Europe..

If Bush wins, Michael Moore will be deeply disappointed of the American people, and go to Europe. In Europe, he will make a lot of friends, because here a lot of people are cynical too about the Bush administration.
And because in Europe you don't get world-famous that quickly, he will be forgotten and die a lonely death.

If Bush wins, Michael Moore will be deeply disappointed of the American people, and go to Europe. In Europe, he will make a lot of friends, because here a lot of people are cynical too about the Bush administration.
And because in Europe you don't get world-famous that quickly, he will be forgotten and die a lonely death.

he is very famouse in europe.. he won't be forgotten i tell you...

and "a lot" of european not liking bush is a big understatement! :eek:

Of course. Everyone with a left wing political opinion repents at his deathbed... like Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Trotsky, Tommy Douglas, Lester B. Pearson.... Or maybe they all eat themselves to death. But Tommy Douglas only weighed around 140 pounds... hmm. Nope, I can't make any sense of your post.

As far as I know, Trotsky didn't die on a deathbed. He was assassinated with an ice pick.

Ho ho ho ;)

he will move to Europe..

If he does, I'll throw a Bon Voyage party! :D

As far as I know, Trotsky didn't die on a deathbed. He was assassinated with an ice pick.

Ho ho ho ;)
He took a day to die and I don't think he was standing after getting an ice pick in the skull.
Ho ho ho HO ;)

The name of the boy in Bowling was Mark Taylor. A Google search of Mark Taylor and "Bowling for Columbine" brings up numerous articles about Taylors distaste for Moore.

The following is an section from one of them...

-"I am completely against him (Moore). He screwed me over,” said Mark Taylor, who with Richard Castaldo was featured in the Kmart segment that resulted in the removal of bullets from the retailer’s shelves nationwide.

“He completely used us to make a buck.”

Taylor contends Moore wasn’t upfront about his intentions when the three visited Kmart’s headquarters in Troy, Mich. Taylor said he was led to believe the visit would involve a talk with the chairman about enforcing policies on selling ammunition to youth and improving gun safety.

Even with bullets still lodged in his body from the April 1999 shooting, Taylor remains supportive of gun ownership. Moore made it appear the opposite, Taylor said.

“I had no idea what Moore’s agenda was. And he had an agenda. He had it all planned out, completely,” Taylor said. “I believe that every American has the right to have a gun. We should have the right to protect ourselves."-

The name of the boy in Bowling was Mark Taylor. A Google search of Mark Taylor and "Bowling for Columbine" brings up numerous articles about Taylors distaste for Moore.

The following is an section from one of them...

-"I am completely against him (Moore). He screwed me over,” said Mark Taylor, who with Richard Castaldo was featured in the Kmart segment that resulted in the removal of bullets from the retailer’s shelves nationwide.

“He completely used us to make a buck.”

Taylor contends Moore wasn’t upfront about his intentions when the three visited Kmart’s headquarters in Troy, Mich. Taylor said he was led to believe the visit would involve a talk with the chairman about enforcing policies on selling ammunition to youth and improving gun safety.

Even with bullets still lodged in his body from the April 1999 shooting, Taylor remains supportive of gun ownership. Moore made it appear the opposite, Taylor said.

“I had no idea what Moore’s agenda was. And he had an agenda. He had it all planned out, completely,” Taylor said. “I believe that every American has the right to have a gun. We should have the right to protect ourselves."-


Like I said, Micheal Moore hates crippled people.

The name of the boy in Bowling was Mark Taylor. A Google search of Mark Taylor and "Bowling for Columbine" brings up numerous articles about Taylors distaste for Moore.

The following is an section from one of them...

-"I am completely against him (Moore). He screwed me over,” said Mark Taylor, who with Richard Castaldo was featured in the Kmart segment that resulted in the removal of bullets from the retailer’s shelves nationwide.

“He completely used us to make a buck.”

Taylor contends Moore wasn’t upfront about his intentions when the three visited Kmart’s headquarters in Troy, Mich. Taylor said he was led to believe the visit would involve a talk with the chairman about enforcing policies on selling ammunition to youth and improving gun safety.

Even with bullets still lodged in his body from the April 1999 shooting, Taylor remains supportive of gun ownership. Moore made it appear the opposite, Taylor said.

“I had no idea what Moore’s agenda was. And he had an agenda. He had it all planned out, completely,” Taylor said. “I believe that every American has the right to have a gun. We should have the right to protect ourselves."-

Nah, Micheal Moore will say that he did tell the kid his agenda... of course he used the Thermian Language so if the kid didn't understand him, then it's Bush's fault that our educational system is in such a wreak and so narrow minded that it doesn't teach other languages!