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Personally I don't think there's a chance we will. With all the problems with voter fraud and such that has been popping up all over the country: dead people voting in Ohio, voter registrations letters disappearing in Florida, and the like going on all over the country I think it will be at least a week until we know who the real president, assuming there isn't any fraud involved with that last decision too. Anyhow, I'd like to know you're opinions on the matter seeing that we all seem to be discussing politics and the like the closer it gets to elections day. Btw, mispelling in option #3, I meant to write won not one.

Btw, mispelling in option #3, I meant to write won not one.It was option #4, but it's fixed now.

And I voted No. There's just too many things that could go wrong.

That very reason is why i voted that we'll never know. Both sides are using some of the nastiest dirty tricks available, theres going to be rampant cheating on both sides..and only god will know who actually should have won.

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I got tired of it, mmkay?

You know I think we should just give them two guns, 10 clips of bullets and 10 miles by 10 miles of woods, and whoever kills the other person first is the next President.

You know I think we should just give them two guns, 10 clips of bullets and 10 miles by 10 miles of woods, and whoever kills the other person first is the next President.
hey it's better than doing it with pieces of paper in the Senate and eggs outside the White House.

With zero percent of the precincts reported, I am now officially calling the election for Ralph Nader.

There, now we have a clear winner.

With zero percent of the precincts reported, I am now officially calling the election for Ralph Nader.

There, now we have a clear winner.


But wait, theres 5% for Kerry! Oh darn I guess that threw out Nader 1%! lol.

I think we'll know, because I don't think it's going to be close. I think the pollsters don't have a clue about this election, and only Zogby has the stones to say that the pollsters are bumbling around in the dark on this one.

I have to agree with incertonia, however, I think she think the wrong candidate is going to win. I think a lot of people who say they are going to vote for Kerry will get into the booth, and realize that with their safety on the line, Kerry can't get it done. Kerry can't get it done.

I have to agree with incertonia, however, I think she think the wrong candidate is going to win. I think a lot of people who say they are going to vote for Kerry will get into the booth, and realize that with their safety on the line, Kerry can't get it done. Kerry can't get it done.

and Bush is doing SUCH a great job, :rolleyes:

I have to agree with incertonia, however, I think she think the wrong candidate is going to win. I think a lot of people who say they are going to vote for Kerry will get into the booth, and realize that with their safety on the line, Kerry can't get it done. Kerry can't get it done.
I'm a he, just so you know.

And since traditionally undecided voters go for the challenger 2 or 3 to 1, I'm not so worried about it.

My prediction.
Bush will win by a 1% or less margin... again.
Gore and Clinton will call for a massive recount...
Hanging Chads will be counted...
Dimpled Chads will be counted...
Slightly Marked Chads will be counted...
Then someone will make the comment about how everything is now electronic so why are they counting chads...
then everyone will want CSI to come in and print all of the machines to see which buttons were pushed...
the programs will be examined line by line...
Voters will be confused...
and Kerry will be declared the winner... just in time for the 2008 election.

and Bush is doing SUCH a great job, :rolleyes:
Certainly got Osama on the run, hasn't he? What was it he said?
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

If its all screwed up again, we should make bush and kerry share the office, then put camera's in the whitehouse.

It would be like the worlds greatest reality show.

Certainly got Osama on the run, hasn't he?

and Ironically enough, his latest tape isn't inside a cave, its in a building and he does look nice. Probably took a while to set all of that up, more than one day at the most.

You know I think we should just give them two guns, 10 clips of bullets and 10 miles by 10 miles of woods, and whoever kills the other person first is the next President.
Far to much area, 1 by 1 is large enough, they'll never find each other in 64,000 acres of wood land.

As for the question of who will be president on Nov 3rd, well yes we will know -i t will be Bush unless he is assassinated in which case it will probably be Cheney. As for who will be sworn in as president next January, I expect it may go to the US Congress with various states electors being contested legally. Be a real pissar though if Bush wins the popular vote and Kerry wins the electoral vote (with court decisions, of course).

Far to much area, 1 by 1 is large enough, they'll never find each other in 64,000 acres of wood land.

As for the question of who will be president on Nov 3rd, well yes we will know -i t will be Bush unless he is assassinated in which case it will probably be Cheney. As for who will be sworn in as president next January, I expect it may go to the US Congress with various states electors being contested legally. Be a real pissar though if Bush wins the popular vote and Kerry wins the electoral vote (with court decisions, of course).

Yea your right. Maybe we should throw in some plywood buildings and shift-made forts?

I'm a he, just so you know.

I know that, and though you may not belive it, I don't know how that happened. All Apologies.

This race is not as close as the polls seem to indicate. The odd thing about American politics is that it is so superficial; the polls are designed to influence the upcoming election---not predict its outcome. This is why agencies such as Zogby adjust their internals from poll to poll; it is outcome oriented.

The punchline is that Zogby will claim---post-election---that they predicted the outcome; one that they helped bring about. The prophecy is self-fulfilling where American politics is concerned.

The best indicator of the likely result of any American election---especially at the state level---is the status of the economy. Look at employment rates, interest rates and the level of consumer consumption (particularly in the home purchase sector.) If levels of consumption and employment are high (i.e., home purchase rates increasing each quarter and above the prevailing interest rate,) the incumbent politicians are typically re-elected. If consumer confidence is down (i.e., national unemployment approaching high-single or even double digits, and new home purchases becoming stagnate or falling below the prevailing interest rate,) then voters will elect new representatives.

Don't let the hype about this being a "different" type of election due to 9/11 fool you; American political decision are always influenced by "fear mongering," (remember "the Red Scare" and "Willie Horton?") and always come down to a simple analysis of the economy.

Here's the prediction:

Republicans hold the House, but Democrats gain 5-10 seats.
Republicans hold the Senate by a single seat (they will lose Kentucky and Colorado, despite Bush victories in both states.)
Bush wins re-election (unfortunately) after pulling off a narrow victory in Ohio and despite losing Florida.

Anyone care to wager a few NS bucks on this outcome?

The election will not be as electorally close as the pundants believe. The swing states are mostly going to go to Kerry and he will win by a large margin. 300 electoral votes is not out of the question.

There will be no recounts or legal fighting because the election won't be close.

The election will not be as electorally close as the pundants believe. The swing states are mostly going to go to Kerry and he will win by a large margin. 300 electoral votes is not out of the question.

There will be no recounts or legal fighting because the election won't be close.

God I hope you are right.

This race is not as close as the polls seem to indicate. The odd thing about American politics is that it is so superficial; the polls are designed to influence the upcoming election---not predict its outcome. This is why agencies such as Zogby adjust their internals from poll to poll; it is outcome oriented.

The punchline is that Zogby will claim---post-election---that they predicted the outcome; one that they helped bring about. The prophecy is self-fulfilling where American politics is concerned.

The best indicator of the likely result of any American election---especially at the state level---is the status of the economy. Look at employment rates, interest rates and the level of consumer consumption (particularly in the home purchase sector.) If levels of consumption and employment are high (i.e., home purchase rates increasing each quarter and above the prevailing interest rate,) the incumbent politicians are typically re-elected. If consumer confidence is down (i.e., national unemployment approaching high-single or even double digits, and new home purchases becoming stagnate or falling below the prevailing interest rate,) then voters will elect new representatives.

Don't let the hype about this being a "different" type of election due to 9/11 fool you; American political decision are always influenced by "fear mongering," (remember "the Red Scare" and "Willie Horton?") and always come down to a simple analysis of the economy.

Here's the prediction:

Republicans hold the House, but Democrats gain 5-10 seats.
Republicans hold the Senate by a single seat (they will lose Kentucky and Colorado, despite Bush victories in both states.)
Bush wins re-election (unfortunately) after pulling off a narrow victory in Ohio and despite losing Florida.

Anyone care to wager a few NS bucks on this outcome?
In the Senate, I think the Democrats take it. We're in good shape to take seats in not only Kentucky and Colorado, but also in Alaska and Oklahoma. I think we'll hold S. Dakota, Florida, North Carolina and possibly South Carolina. We'll lose Georgia and potentially Louisiana.

The Times had an amusing piece about how if the vote's tied at 269 apiece, it all goes to the House and Senate for Prez and VP, respectively. If, then, the House deadlocks (dimly possible) and the Senate votes for Edwards (likely), Edwards would be both President and VP. So everyone, get ready for an Edwards presidency!

...Except not really.

And for the record, I don't think we'll ever know whether there was voting fraud sufficient to make the other guy win. With Diebold being a Bush Pioneer, the chances of fraud are disturbing. Especially since there's no way to monitor it. Oh yeah, and the voting rosters in Florida (the ones that disenfranchised thousands of primarily African-American voters because they had the same or similar names as felons) have NOT been corrected, even after four years. Interesting coincidence that Bush's brother is the governor of that state. Of course I'm not implying anything...

No way will we know who the next president, the day after the election.

It will be a repeat of 2000.

Already we've seen voter disenfranchisment in Florida.
Lawsuits will ensue.
Once again, Jeb Bush will illegally give Florida to his brother.

More lawsuits will ensue, and ultimately, the Supreme Court will have to to decide.


and everyone knows who they will give the job to.

Bush will once again, break the law, and corrupt the constitution, and become president.

Unless Kerry can win by a significant amount.
If its even close, Bush will cheat.

No way will we know who the next president, the day after the election.

It will be a repeat of 2000.

Already we've seen voter disenfranchisment in Florida.
Lawsuits will ensue.
Once again, Jeb Bush will illegally give Florida to his brother.

More lawsuits will ensue, and ultimately, the Supreme Court will have to to decide.


and everyone knows who they will give the job to.

Bush will once again, break the law, and corrupt the constitution, and become president.

Unless Kerry can win by a significant amount.
If its even close, Bush will cheat. :rolleyes: And this message brought to you by the very type of person who has turned AMerica into the most divided US since 1861.

You know I think we should just give them two guns, 10 clips of bullets and 10 miles by 10 miles of woods, and whoever kills the other person first is the next President.

Kerry would win, because nobody knows where he stands, so Bush would never find him. Besides, I don't think Bush is smart enough to fire a gun.

Kerry would win, because nobody knows where he stands, so Bush would never find him. Besides, I don't think Bush is smart enough to fire a gun.

Bush is from Texas, don't count on that.

If its all screwed up again, we should make bush and kerry share the office, then put camera's in the whitehouse.

It would be like the worlds greatest reality show.

Better than any of MTV's shit. :D

Better than any of MTV's shit. :D

Big Brother: Extreme White House.
Startng November 2nd
only in USA
Watch it or Watch out.

Bush is from Texas, don't count on that.

Im from california. It doesn't make me a mexican.

The CherenGenghisKhanate would like to annex your country, enslave your people in S&M fashion for the duration of a Christmas Season (Nov.26-Dec25) by offering you 300 million Altan Khan Bluds (circa. 700 million British Pounds). The country and people will duely return to your authority after 500 upper-class CherenGenghisids have spent their quality holiday season by enslaving your people in the same fashion our ancestors did the civilized peoples of Eurasia.
A CherenGenghisid work team, aka "The Dark Horde", will accompany our Heritage S&M high-profiled tourists to your country to ensure limited property damage.
We also offer all your women of economic means to pay their way out of being kidnapped as temporary CherenGenghisid comfort women.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=cherengenghiskhanate

:rolleyes: And this message brought to you by the very type of person who has turned AMerica into the most divided US since 1861.


Oh.

You must mean registered voters.

*doesn't give a rat's ass over who wins, because Badnarik has no chance*

Then again, maybe I'm just the 1st of many defecting to 3rd-parties

:rolleyes: And this message brought to you by the very type of person who has turned AMerica into the most divided US since 1861.
Any party that counts Tom DeLay and Rick Santorum among its leadership, and that has Rush Limbaugh as one of their loudest spokesmen (official or not) has no right to complain about a divided country. You guys are supposed to be the christians--take some advice from Jesus and remove the rafter from your own eye before trying to get the straw out of ours.

Any party that counts Tom DeLay and Rick Santorum among its leadership, and that has Rush Limbaugh as one of their loudest spokesmen (official or not) has no right to complain about a divided country. You guys are supposed to be the christians--take some advice from Jesus and remove the rafter from your own eye before trying to get the straw out of ours.
So says the man who counts among his party mates Byrd, Pelosi, Clinton and CLinton II: The Bitch strikes Back, Kennedy, Kerry, Moore, Rangle the draft pusher, and Ted Rall, the man who jokes about soldeirs dying. Clean up your act, man.

So says the man who counts among his party mates Byrd, Pelosi, Clinton and CLinton II: The Bitch strikes Back, Kennedy, Kerry, Moore, Rangle the draft pusher, and Ted Rall, the man who jokes about soldeirs dying. Clean up your act, man.
You know something? Every one of the political people you mentioned has a reputation for bipartisanship. Every one of them has worked with people across the aisle to get things done, at times against the wishes of their own party. We're not the bomb throwers. We're not Gingrich. We're not Grover "bipartisanship is date rape" Norquist. And if you want to talk about media types, the AM radio psychos you guys throw out there have far more reach than a moviemaker who comes out with a film every 3 or 4 years and a political cartoonist who is so over the top that most Democrats disavow him. So while we have our share of assholes in our party, they're not in the leadership. They're not calling the shots.

You know something? Every one of the political people you mentioned has a reputation for bipartisanship. Every one of them has worked with people across the aisle to get things done, at times against the wishes of their own party. We're not the bomb throwers. We're not Gingrich. We're not Grover "bipartisanship is date rape" Norquist. And if you want to talk about media types, the AM radio psychos you guys throw out there have far more reach than a moviemaker who comes out with a film every 3 or 4 years and a political cartoonist who is so over the top that most Democrats disavow him. So while we have our share of assholes in our party, they're not in the leadership. They're not calling the shots.Take your own advice, and clean up your own backyard before you look into mine. All you provide is excuses, dissembling, and vitriol. Come back and see me when you have more than "My guys are good, your guys suck".

Take your own advice, and clean up your own backyard before you look into mine. All you provide is excuses, dissembling, and vitriol. Come back and see me when you have more than "My guys are good, your guys suck".
Nice dismissal. His points were actually valid. How can you support a man who doesn't even think that the people have a right to privacy? (Rick Santorum, surely a fascist)

Take your own advice, and clean up your own backyard before you look into mine. All you provide is excuses, dissembling, and vitriol. Come back and see me when you have more than "My guys are good, your guys suck".
Hey man--like I said, we have assholes, but they're not in charge of our party. They're generally marginalized, and when they do stupid shit, we're usually among the first to call them out.

All the lawsuits have been filed in god-knows-how-many states already.

Regardless who "wins" November 2nd, the legal battles will rage for months, if not years.

We'll know by 2005, if that's any help.

Yeah, this election will probably be uglier than 2000. We may not know the outcome for quite some time. Thank you Democrats for setting such a precident by taking this to the courts in 2000.

I don't remember whether anyone mentioned this or not, but voter fraud is by no means a new thing. There has been voter fraud since there was voting in this country and if you google it you will find near a dozen well documented instances of voter fraud mentioned. Whats new are the massive lawsuits, which I view as a good thing, because it shows those who perpetrate voter fraud that it will no longer be tolerated. Then again, who's to say that those who are mounting these lawsuits do not perpetrate voter fraud themselves. Its just so easy to perpetrate voter fraud in this day and age since many of the voting machines are computerized. All you would have to do is change some code on a machine and it would always have a certain candidate win. Voter fraud goes across party lines and is absolutely immoral, but the question remains how to prevent it. Just the fact that our politicians participate in voter fraud says something of the politicians of our country I think (past and present).

In the Senate, I think the Democrats take it. We're in good shape to take seats in not only Kentucky and Colorado, but also in Alaska and Oklahoma. I think we'll hold S. Dakota, Florida, North Carolina and possibly South Carolina. We'll lose Georgia and potentially Louisiana.

Kentucky - umm, nope.
Colorado - Good call.
Alaska - Umm, nope!
Oklahoma - Umm, nope!
S. Dakota - Nope, that is is the big one!
Florida - Nope!
North Carolina - Nope!
South Carolina - Nope!
We'll lose Georgia and potentially Louisiana.
Good call.

Congrats on Obama crushing Keyes.