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It's gonna happen, no matter who wins on Nov. 2, threats of litigation aside, the winning partisans are going to gloat, threads will be started, people will be called fools and morons, results will be posted with things like "eat it" and such...there will be gloating.

If I where honest with myself I would have to say that I'm looking forward to, on some level, gloating should the person I want to win does. But I'm not swift enough to be even nearly the first, and likely by the time I'll get to it it will have become obnoxious and unbearable, even if I agree with the celebrators.

So I came up with this way to pre-emptively save the dignity of those who are interested, the Post-Election Non-Goating pact. Those who check in the public poll "Yes" will agree that if thier candidate wins they will not gloat, no excessive 'celebration.' Nothing of course is holding you to that other than your credibility, but if you weren't concerned about that you wouldn't have agreed to the pact.

Since Zogby indicated that a disturbing number of people on both sides are not ready to accept the legitimacy of the other candidates presidancy, you certainly can defend your candidate and argue his virtues. However, this is just to agree that the argument won't be "That's the decision, eat it!!! Wooo [potilical party] ALL THE WAY-the rest of you, out of the country..." and the like.

Since it is really non-binding feel free to add your own articles to the pact as you see fit. People can quote the articles and accept them at thier will. What say you? Shall we harbor a little glowing piece of our dignity?

I won't gloat if Bush wins. So I say yes this is a good idea.

So what about those of us who maintain that it matters not who wins, you're fucked either way? :D

Sweet, I got a responder before I was even done with the poll. Faith in Humanity 1, pessimism 0 so far.

tag.

Half of the people who post here saying they wont gloat will gloat

So what about those of us who maintain that it matters not who wins, you're fucked either way? :D
Theoritically you could not gloat when things end up fucked. That'd be a tough bill, but if you think you could handle it....

tag.

Half of the people who post here saying they wont gloat will gloat
First pessimist and now watch dog. That's cool, makes the integrity thing stick a little.

Theoritically you could not gloat when things end up fucked. That'd be a tough bill, but if you think you could handle it....

Only if you weren't fucked beforehand.

Is there any chance this applies to me, since I'm voting Badnarik?

Only if you weren't fucked beforehand.
Granted, but people who things are fucked anyway are prone to gloat at any sign that verifies their view, so it would be to not gloat at every instance that demonstrates that we're fucked. Which would severely handicap you, which makes it a tough one for you. If you think you could handle it it would certainly heighten peoples esteem of you...

Granted, but people who things are fucked anyway are prone to gloat at any sign that verifies their view, so it would be to not gloat at every instance that demonstrates that we're fucked. Which would severely handicap you, which makes it a tough one for you. If you think you could handle it it would certainly heighten peoples esteem of you...

You're just trying to discourage me from gloating. :D

Not sure if I have a right to gloat...I am a Kerry supporter but am convinced Bush will win decisively, if not in a total landslide...

Is there any chance this applies to me, since I'm voting Badnarik?
I think you'd end up in Refused Part Program's problem, which would then need an amendment which would be something like:

"I agree not to gloat everytime the candidate who wins does something stupid with 'My candidate would have been better. See what you did, retards?' or something to that effect."

Probably better worded, though.

EDIT: Wow, leave out one word and the whole thing changes...

Not sure if I have a right to gloat...I am a Kerry supporter but am convinced Bush will win decisively, if not in a total landslide...
Chin up bucky, I don't think a landslide from either is likely, even less for Bush.

I think you'd end up in Refused Part Program's problem, which would then need an amendment which would be something like:

"I agree to gloat everytime the candidate who wins does something stupid with 'My candidate would have been better. See what you did, retards?' or something to that effect."

Probably better worded, though.

Being an Anarchist, my candidate is no candidate.

Well, yeah-yours(RFP) would need modifying. I honestly don't know how you'd get by without gloating about things being bad, but you could give it a whirl-a pillar of the positivity of your ideal instead of the nattering-nay-bob-of-negativity that attacks the dominant ideal...

...or not...

Chin up bucky, I don't think a landslide from either is likely, even less for Bush.

Not from what I see one www.electoral-vote.com. They have Bush with 280 electoral votes, and that's without Florida, which is in his pocket. That's a total of 307, and if he pulls off wins in PA and NH (close for Kerry) and New Jersey (tied) then he gets 347, which is about as much of a landslide as either candidate has a chance at. By my count, Kerry only gets 191 EVs in that scenario, a margin of 156 EVs.

What's the fun if I can't gloat?
I once gloated for 8 years
as the only person willing to admit
to voting for Clinton.
Too bad we can't bring old Bill back
He was much more entertaining

is it gloating if i do the happy dance?

Not from what I see one www.electoral-vote.com. They have Bush with 280 electoral votes, and that's without Florida, which is in his pocket. That's a total of 307, and if he pulls off wins in PA and NH (close for Kerry) and New Jersey (tied) then he gets 347, which is about as much of a landslide as either candidate has a chance at. By my count, Kerry only gets 191 EVs in that scenario, a margin of 156 EVs.
They weren't right last time. And polling has gotten harder since.

Well, yeah-yours(RFP) would need modifying. I honestly don't know how you'd get by without gloating about things being bad, but you could give it a whirl-a pillar of the positivity of your ideal instead of the nattering-nay-bob-of-negativity that attacks the dominant ideal...

...or not...

I see straight through all this! You'll never shut me up! NEVER! :D

This is a nice thread but you all know the usual partisan asshole suspects (many of whom arent even US citizens) are gonna gloat//bitch whine, no matter what happens.
Nonetheless props to Cannot think of a name for starting this thread :)

This is a nice thread but you all know the usual partisan asshole suspects (many of whom arent even US citizens) are gonna gloat//bitch whine, no matter what happens.
Nonetheless props to Cannot think of a name for starting this thread :)
Thank you, and you're right. This is just a way to shelter the rational and be able to point when the gloating backlash comes and say "Not us, we've got dignity."

But, yeah-I don't expect Munkebrain or MKULTRA to agree to this anytime soon.

Faith in humanity 6, Pessimism 4.

Try and keep this going if y'all can-I have to go take care of some biddy-ness. I'll bump it back when I'm done.

I see straight through all this! You'll never shut me up! NEVER! :D
Curses, foiled again! :D

So what about those of us who maintain that it matters not who wins, you're fucked either way? :D
We have the satisfaction of knowing that we were right, no matter what.

This isn't a mere sporting event. This is arguably the most important presidential race in forty years. It is for the heart & soul of America and what it will be for the next generation.

If Kerry wins I'll do a little jig, and then be like, wow it really doesn't affect me in Australia lol

I took the Pledge about a week ago and haven't forgotten about it, so I'm in. I'll gloat in silence, browsing some of the more partisan liberal forums that I read occasionally for entertainment. ;)

Also, responding to whoever it was, I don't expect a landslide, even as a (reasonably) optimistic Bush supporter. If Bush pulls a modest landslide (50-60 EV), it will be by swinging states like Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconsin by a few percentage points, in addition to his solid and likely win states, which right now look to give him the 285 or so that was mentioned earlier. New Jersey and Hawaii are nice dreams, but even I'm not expecting those 19 in our column. ;) So don't fret.

(Nothing wrong with a little pre-election gloating, eh? :p )

This isn't a mere sporting event. This is arguably the most important presidential race in forty years. It is for the heart & soul of America and what it will be for the next generation.

Yup. We need a good 20+ years of Chief Justice Scalia. ;)

Since Zogby indicated that a disturbing number of people on both sides are not ready to accept the legitimacy of the other candidates presidancy
Can I see this article? Did it give more details? Would they be unwilling to accept the legitimacy of the other candidates presidency just because he's "the other candidate"?

I hereby promise not to engage in any gloating. Actually, such a promise is pretty much unnecessary. I'm voting Libertarian, you see...

I would like to say I wouldn't, but it hard to say what I will do when and if the time comes that the one I hope wins, wins. So, I remain undecided. ;)

I would like to say I wouldn't, but it hard to say what I will do when and if the time comes that the one I hope wins, wins. So, I remain undecided. ;)

Flip-flopper!!!11!

Oh, sorry. I got caught up in the whole political atmosphere... ;)

I'm sick of the political morass this forum has become in the last months. The less gloating, the better, and then we can move on to the blissful irrelevance of yesteryears.

The only thing I will gloat upon is to my roommate, if my election map prediction is exactly correct. Let's keep sheer obnoxiousness for its own sake off the forums.

I promise not to gloat HERE. As for my real (as opposed to virtual) life gloating will be absolutely required...

It's gonna happen, no matter who wins on Nov. 2, threats of litigation aside, the winning partisans are going to gloat, threads will be started, people will be called fools and morons, results will be posted with things like "eat it" and such...there will be gloating.

If I where honest with myself I would have to say that I'm looking forward to, on some level, gloating should the person I want to win does. But I'm not swift enough to be even nearly the first, and likely by the time I'll get to it it will have become obnoxious and unbearable, even if I agree with the celebrators.

So I came up with this way to pre-emptively save the dignity of those who are interested, the Post-Election Non-Goating pact. Those who check in the public poll "Yes" will agree that if thier candidate wins they will not gloat, no excessive 'celebration.' Nothing of course is holding you to that other than your credibility, but if you weren't concerned about that you wouldn't have agreed to the pact.

Since Zogby indicated that a disturbing number of people on both sides are not ready to accept the legitimacy of the other candidates presidancy, you certainly can defend your candidate and argue his virtues. However, this is just to agree that the argument won't be "That's the decision, eat it!!! Wooo [potilical party] ALL THE WAY-the rest of you, out of the country..." and the like.

Since it is really non-binding feel free to add your own articles to the pact as you see fit. People can quote the articles and accept them at thier will. What say you? Shall we harbor a little glowing piece of our dignity?
I agree to not gloat unless Nader wins.

This isn't a mere sporting event. This is arguably the most important presidential race in forty years. It is for the heart & soul of America and what it will be for the next generation.
I agree. Not sure what you where adressing, but I do agree.

I promise not to gloat HERE. As for my real (as opposed to virtual) life gloating will be absolutely required...
Real world gloating is its own thing.

They weren't right last time. And polling has gotten harder since.

No one predicted last time. But I am predicting a Bush victory for a few reasons:

--If I predicted a win for Kerry, Bush would win, and then I would have to eat my shoe.
--I am convinced Bush is a better cheater than Kerry.
--Kerry could have barbecued Bush on so many things (Vietnam, the WMDs, the 377 tons of explosives) and has chosen, for the most part, not to.
--Bush hasn't made a statement on the magnitude of "Read my lips: No New Taxes!" like his father did that he reneged on. Clinton cooked Bush Sr. over an open flame for that one. Kerry hasn't gotten that opportunity.
--Kerry is losing or close in states he should be winning handily.

I am sure i will think of other reasons, but for now, I will go back to whatever it is I wasn't doing.

I promise not to gloat when Kerry wins the Presidency and I will even go one step further.....I will start a thread entitled "Canuck's Comfort Cafe" where disillusioned and shocked Bush supporters can go to "let it go".

If Kerry wins, I will gloat. :D

Believe it or not, I won't gloat.

I will probably not gloat immediately, however when confronted with a post typical of the last four years, I will have to renege on that. :)

Bump for the day crowd.

I won't gloat, because really I'd like it if Green one. But they, uh, won't.

However, if asked, I will express my relief of four none-Bush years :p

Can I see this article? Did it give more details? Would they be unwilling to accept the legitimacy of the other candidates presidency just because he's "the other candidate"?
Putting off answering a question to disguise a BUMP

It was in an interview on the Daily Show. If you go to Comedy Central.com you probably could find a clip. It was just a passing comment but I found it most ominous.

I won't gloat, that's obnoxious. :mad:

Last chance for dignity, last chance for self respect. (actually it's not last call yet, I'll do that a little later tonight....)

I won't gloat, because my candidate won't win. Honestly, even if Badnarik miraculously won, I think I'd be too relieved at not having to go through four years under Bush or Kerry to gloat.

I won't gloat, because my candidate won't win. Honestly, even if Badnarik miraculously won, I think I'd be too relieved at not having to go through four years under Bush or Kerry to gloat.

Even if third party supporters agreed not to gloat in the pact, if thier candidate won I think we would all have to let you out of it. You'd have every right to gloat since no one, not even yourselves, would have saw that coming.

One more shot, for decency's sake.

Face it. Whoever wins, it is going to be a gloat fest, followed by four years of I told you so.

Face it. Whoever wins, it is going to be a gloat fest, followed by four years of I told you so.
Oh yeah, I acknowledged as much. There is no avoiding it. This is just a way for a few of us to public preserve our own dignity. Just because "everyone does it" doesn't mean "everyone has to do it."

Oh yeah, I acknowledged as much. There is no avoiding it. This is just a way for a few of us to public preserve our own dignity. Just because "everyone does it" doesn't mean "everyone has to do it."

Exactly. I, for one, have midterms Wednesday-Friday, followed by a weekend outta town.. so I think I will have gotten the gloat outta my system by the following Monday. ;) See, that means I can take the pledge with a good deal of confidence! :p

Oh yeah, I acknowledged as much. There is no avoiding it. This is just a way for a few of us to public preserve our own dignity. Just because "everyone does it" doesn't mean "everyone has to do it."

No, its pretty much obligatory, in fact. ;)

However, to maximize my enjoyment of the event, whoever wins tomorrow I shall claim that I ardently supported them all along and there was never any doubt of the result. As such I will feel like a winner. (Unless this whole thing ends up in litigation, in which case I shall claim I foresaw that too.) :)

last chance for real