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Moral

Fodmodmadtol
30-10-2004, 22:58
The single rule of todays game is this; Define what your view of Morals are without bringing up-

1) Religion

2) Nature

3) Politics

If your Moral code is based on any of those three, try to have an Open mind next time you have a discussion about Morals and Ethics. For now, you're not allowed to include them. The vast population of Athiests on this board will have no problem, yet I fear that the more Devout [ Politcally and Religiously ] will be irked. In your own personal view, what is Ehitcal? What is Moral? Why does it matter?

Play nice.
Sdaeriji
30-10-2004, 23:02
I have no morals. What should I do?
Fodmodmadtol
30-10-2004, 23:05
I have no morals. What should I do?
Rejoice in the savageness that is Humanity. We're all Nutters, but some people like Rose Colored glasses.
La Terra di Liberta
30-10-2004, 23:07
I have no morals. What should I do?




I am goat, so I don't have the ability to comprehend what is right and wrong and hence have no morals either.
BastardSword
30-10-2004, 23:12
The single rule of todays game is this; Define what your view of Morals are without bringing up-

1) Religion

2) Nature

3) Politics

If your Moral code is based on any of those three, try to have an Open mind next time you have a discussion about Morals and Ethics. For now, you're not allowed to include them. The vast population of Athiests on this board will have no problem, yet I fear that the more Devout [ Politcally and Religiously ] will be irked. In your own personal view, what is Ehitcal? What is Moral? Why does it matter?

Play nice.

Kant's Moral theory summarizes my beliefs on morals.

Basically its not the conclusions but the intent in your actions that determine whether they are good or bad.
You can't control conclusions but you can control your intentions and actions.

Now to go further: Your actions must be thought of universally. They als ocan't be contractary.
You should never use people!
Be honest because to lie is self-defeating when once ponders fact that it can't be universal. When you lie you need the other person to believe you to maqke it worlk. If everyone lied then there would be no belief in another's word and thus no lies possible.

No, stealing because no one seriously wants someone to steal from them.(maybe crazy people...hmm)

Ethical is when your actions are to be recommended or not recommended by others. Its not banned by looked down or up upon the actions.

Morals are whether its right or wrong to do a action. For example: One of mine is Pre-martial hanky panky(I like that nickname for Fornification) is wrong. That is wrong because it causes unwanted pregnancies, shame for some, unwed mothers, can be against families wishes, and more.
Very few reasons beyond emotional that can be given for it being okay.


Morals mater because we all need to learn to treat others the best we can without using them. The world and society would be a beter place if one did.

Now to go to your taboo topics:
1) Religion: Well my morals are at one with Heavenly Fathers because I was born with a moral compass that taught me right from wrong. My parents know little in that department so its good that I had the compass. Yes, we had same faith but theres a difference between having a faith and being one.

But I just like to share that.
Letila
30-10-2004, 23:19
My moral code is based on two basic premises:

–Humans have free will.

–Humans want to be loved and respected and don't want to be hated or injured.

From those, I conclude that a moral action is motivated by love and kindness and an immoral action is motivated by hate and malice. Forgiveness is key since free will gives us the ability to make better choices next time. This makes killing especially wrong since it is both unwanted and denies opportunity to change one's ways.

Morality is a basic concept like size or emotion that can't really be broken down into anything more basic. It is a property of an action, though not an object since it can't choose.

Morality matters because moral actions will benefit humanity as a whole whereas immoral ones will harm it as a whole.
Refused Party Program
30-10-2004, 23:22
Teaching pigeons to play Devil's advocate is fundamentally wrong.
Mikeswill
30-10-2004, 23:25
My moral code is simply Love.
Act on the basis of Love as opposed to Fear
And everything follows
There exists no complication
Life is either Love or Fear
And Love Conquers Fear
Dorstfeld
30-10-2004, 23:38
Treat other people the way you want to be treated by them...

... unless you're into BDSM.
The Mycon
30-10-2004, 23:51
"Do not hurt others unneccesarily. Hurting oneself is not immoral, but probably stupid."
Galliam
30-10-2004, 23:56
Mine are simple.

1. Me first
2. Die with toys
3. If you win great
4. Dont kill or rape anybody, anything else is fair game
5. Fight hard and you wont get mugged

that's about it.
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
31-10-2004, 00:04
My philosophy is simple. Don't bother me, and I'll leave you alone. Just note that I am easily bothered.
Superpower07
31-10-2004, 00:07
-snip-
Basically you advocate "Love and Peace!"

And I advocate it too
Alinania
31-10-2004, 00:12
Treat other people the way you want to be treated by them...

... unless you're into BDSM.
...especially if you're into bdsm ;)
Ashmoria
31-10-2004, 00:14
what do you have against people getting their morals from their religious upbringing?


anyway i am 47 years old and my morals are based on what gives me the best life.

i wouldnt consider murder, cheating, stealing, stabbing people in the back, lying about them whatever else people dont do because its immoral. these things are stupid to do, ruin your relationships (esp that murder thing) and make you lose your self respect

im frugal, i dont want what i cant have, i dont expect to get happiness from stuff. at the same time im not particularly charitable with my money or time. i support my own extended family as much as i can but seldom help out strangers who are not in immediate right-in-front-of-me need.

i feel its best to have a positive outlook on life, i dont dwell on mistakes of the past or seek vengance for those who have done me wrong. i have learned to let things go.
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
31-10-2004, 00:14
–Humans want to be loved and respected and don't want to be hated or injured.
Try telling that to a dominatrix :)
There are some people who are masochists and actually enjoy pain you know
Faithfull-freedom
31-10-2004, 00:15
No formalities.
No labels
Peace
Love one another, understand one another and accept one another.
Everything you do is voluntarily out of good will and good expectations.
No such thing as being forced to do something you do not want to do.
Capable of accepting guidance
Give more than you recieve
Believe in yourself
Do what you love
Follow your heart
Seek grace
Be fearless
Volunteer time
Understand more and judge much less
Question conformity
Have a sense of humor
Be real by being yourself
Enjoy every breath you take
Help the helpless
Letila
31-10-2004, 00:16
Try telling that to a dominatrix
There are some people who are masochists and actually enjoy pain you know

I personally believe that is an anomaly caused by the harmful psychological effects of coersion and hierarchy.
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
31-10-2004, 00:20
I personally believe that is an anomaly caused by the harmful psychological effects of coersion and hierarchy.
Or maybe it starts with them just enjoying a good spanking and it evolves from there. Other than that I would have to agree with you to a certain extent.
Alinania
31-10-2004, 00:21
No formalities.
No labels
Peace
Love one another, understand one another and accept one another.
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.
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Help the helpless
wow. if half of us would follow even half of what you listed, this world would be such a better place.
Superpower07
31-10-2004, 01:31
If we could all live in "Love and peace!"
Tactical Grace
31-10-2004, 01:40
My morality is of the existentialist sort, that there is no absolute morality and that an individual is the sum of one's actions. Thus my moral compass is spinning and I am adrift...but no such constant is really necessary, as my actions will eventually determine who I am. There are all sorts of people in the world, of course, but I do not presume to judge them. Unless it's obvious they're bastards, hehehe.
Phaiakia
31-10-2004, 01:45
From those, I conclude that a moral action is motivated by love and kindness and an immoral action is motivated by hate and malice. Forgiveness is key since free will gives us the ability to make better choices next time. This makes killing especially wrong since it is both unwanted and denies opportunity to change one's ways.


Is it morally wrong to kill to save another? Or do you have to stand by and watch the other person be killed because to kill is wrong. Or is it morally worse to watch someone be killed and do nothing about it.



The problem with stating morals, is that many actions that are on the face of it immoral, can be turned into moral actions. Morals are not absolute, they are relative. Relative in relation to justifications and in relation to cultural differences.

In the end, you have to go down to the basics. Motivation and intent.

Is your intent to do good? Well, how do you define good? Can it be good if you know that one of the consequences may be bad? Or if you take a chance knowing that there is a 50% likelihood of bad occurring instead? How about a 5% likelihood? Why is it different?

Personally, everything I do and say is motivated by respect for others.
So my actions tend to coincide with what is generally considered morally right, because morally wrong actions are mutually exclusive of respect for those that are affected.
Chellis
31-10-2004, 01:47
I don't have any moral code. My desicions are simply based on what will produce the results that help me most, or help my cause most, whatever it is.
Peopleandstuff
31-10-2004, 02:38
You cant define morality without reference to nature. Why shouldnt you hit people? Because a fact of nature is pain. If it were not for nature endowing us with the capacity to feel pain, many 'immoral' acts wouldnt be immoral because they just wouldnt matter.