NationStates Jolt Archive


murder?

Soviet Narco State
30-10-2004, 22:07
Has anybody actually killed anyone? Why did you do it? Did you hide the body or simply frame up a patsy? Perhaps you dissolved the corpse in sulphuric acid? Or maybe you chopped it up into little tiny pieces and fed it to an unsuspecting house guest in a bowl of clam chowder. Was it as fun as you had thought? Are the police on your trail right now? Do you think you will do it again?
Th Great Otaku
30-10-2004, 22:21
do you really think that you're gonna get some honest answers...or are you just being sarcastic?
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
30-10-2004, 22:36
I know how to induce Anaphylactic Shock on somebody who doesn't have any allergies. :)
The Gongites
30-10-2004, 22:40
Well, I once gave someone the rest of a poptart when I was sick, and they died later from cancer.
Macrosolid
30-10-2004, 22:43
Has anybody actually killed anyone? Why did you do it? Did you hide the body or simply frame up a patsy? Perhaps you dissolved the corpse in sulphuric acid? Or maybe you chopped it up into little tiny pieces and fed it to an unsuspecting house guest in a bowl of clam chowder. Was it as fun as you had thought? Are the police on your trail right now? Do you think you will do it again?

Looking for advice?
Soviet Narco State
30-10-2004, 22:45
do you really think that you're gonna get some honest answers...or are you just being sarcastic?
I am in law school. Just looking for potential clients when I get out. If I represent the next jeffery dahmer or charlie manson I'll be famous even if I lose.
The Sadistic Skinhead
30-10-2004, 23:15
I have almost killed someone with my bare hands i started to strangle them on the spot but someone was walking up ahead so i just threw them on the concrete and gave them permenant tissue damage in their back
Mikeswill
30-10-2004, 23:22
I have only killed myself
Only to find that I had
Killed the Wrong Person~
Ality

Kisses
Nemh
30-10-2004, 23:23
They calls me "The Turkey Killer"... :sniper:
Ravea
30-10-2004, 23:50
I'd dissolve the body in acid.
Alinania
31-10-2004, 00:08
why yes, i have killed several people. and i'm still on the run. probably will be for the rest of my life. oh well.
PS: don't tell the police i posted this, or they'll track me all the way to Nashville, Tennessee, where I am now.
Oops. I shouldn't have said that.
Tremalkier
31-10-2004, 00:15
Oh yeah man, all the time.

I killed Ben Afflecks career.

I killed the St. Louis Cardinals right before the WS.

That kind of thing, all the time.
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
31-10-2004, 00:16
I know how to induce Anaphylactic Shock on somebody who doesn't have any allergies. :)
And people won’t suspect foul play if done correctly under the right circumstances.
Backwatertin
31-10-2004, 00:19
im sorry i just have to say tht crabcake baba ganoush is THE best name i have seen yet
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
31-10-2004, 00:23
Oooooooooooooooooo
Can I gain your support for becoming Overlord now?
Backwatertin
31-10-2004, 00:28
you betcha
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
31-10-2004, 00:29
Mwahahahahahahahaha
:)
Soviet Narco State
31-10-2004, 00:32
I'd dissolve the body in acid.
I think that you have the right idea. Even if you get caught with no body there is no way a jury could convict you. I think if you want to be a really good murderer you probably have to start with hobos and prostitutes for practice and then work your way up to repectable citizens.
The White Hats
31-10-2004, 00:51
I think that you have the right idea. Even if you get caught with no body there is no way a jury could convict you. I think if you want to be a really good murderer you probably have to start with hobos and prostitutes for practice and then work your way up to repectable citizens.
There was a famous British murderer who applied the same reasoning and and got caught and convicted. (Hence his fame.) Partly because there's very few acids that will completely dissolve a human body. For example, sulphuric tends to leave a load of fat and other bits.

But even without that drawback, there's been plenty of murder convictions when the body was never found.
Phaiakia
31-10-2004, 01:01
I think that you have the right idea. Even if you get caught with no body there is no way a jury could convict you. I think if you want to be a really good murderer you probably have to start with hobos and prostitutes for practice and then work your way up to repectable citizens.

As stated above me, there are plenty of murder convictions regardless of bodies being found. If you seriously believe that jury verdicts are based solely on evidence, then you don't have enough cynicism to be a succesful litigator. Or you just havn't been at lawschool for long enough and havn't read/heard about enough flimsy cases.
Notquiteaplace
31-10-2004, 01:05
I know how to induce Anaphylactic Shock on somebody who doesn't have any allergies. :)
yeah, anyone will react to enough 'alien' (as in not yours, preferably not human) protein in their blood. Our biology teacher taught us that if you just injected food into your blood you'd die. Especially with a high protein content.

Just whisk an egg and load into a syringe....
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
31-10-2004, 01:11
yeah, anyone will react to enough 'alien' (as in not yours, preferably not human) protein in their blood. Our biology teacher taught us that if you just injected food into your blood you'd die. Especially with a high protein content.

Just whisk an egg and load into a syringe....
My biology teachers never said anything about that. I learned it from a porn.
:D
Roachsylvania
31-10-2004, 01:14
Just whisk an egg and load into a syringe....
That kills you? Ooooohhhhh shit...
Genaia
31-10-2004, 01:18
Has anybody actually killed anyone? Why did you do it? Did you hide the body or simply frame up a patsy? Perhaps you dissolved the corpse in sulphuric acid? Or maybe you chopped it up into little tiny pieces and fed it to an unsuspecting house guest in a bowl of clam chowder. Was it as fun as you had thought? Are the police on your trail right now? Do you think you will do it again?

If you're genuinely interested you ought to read crime and punishment - awesome novel.
Mikeswill
31-10-2004, 01:22
I think if you want to be a really good murderer you probably have to start with hobos and prostitutes for practice and then work your way up to repectable citizens.

You mean hobos and prostitutes aren't respectable?

I'm going to need to revamp my Cabinet.
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
31-10-2004, 01:25
As I have come to understand it you don’t need to inject the lethal amount. There is a sneaky way to induce it afterwards. Mwahahahahahahahahaha
Orange state
31-10-2004, 01:27
That kills you? Ooooohhhhh shit...

in theory (sorry switched nations there...)

You might need a largeish amount though...

Its a horrid way to go too....
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
31-10-2004, 01:27
You mean hobos and prostitutes aren't respectable?

I'm going to need to revamp my Cabinet.
Go with a dominatrix or two. Just make sure they don't try to dominate you as well.
Shaed
31-10-2004, 06:19
I think that you have the right idea. Even if you get caught with no body there is no way a jury could convict you. I think if you want to be a really good murderer you probably have to start with hobos and prostitutes for practice and then work your way up to repectable citizens.

Dissolving bodies is a bad idea.

Read about it darnit! Murder! Interesting! (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/haigh/index_1.html)

You can get convicted even if there's no body (common misconception, apparently, is that no body = no murder charge, but that's not true).

Acid also probably won't dissolve the bodies fast enough, since most serial killers tend to get out of control and feel the need to kill more and more frequently. You need to store large barrels of the acid for long periods of time (just dumping it wouldn't work, since the acid wouldn't have fully dissolved the bodies).

All in all, not a very smart method at all, unless you're just going for a one off murder.
Soviet Narco State
31-10-2004, 18:10
Dissolving bodies is a bad idea.

Read about it darnit! Murder! Interesting! (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/haigh/index_1.html)

You can get convicted even if there's no body (common misconception, apparently, is that no body = no murder charge, but that's not true).

Acid also probably won't dissolve the bodies fast enough, since most serial killers tend to get out of control and feel the need to kill more and more frequently. You need to store large barrels of the acid for long periods of time (just dumping it wouldn't work, since the acid wouldn't have fully dissolved the bodies).

All in all, not a very smart method at all, unless you're just going for a one off murder.

Hmm... So acid is not a good way to go? Well I be darned! My $30,0000 dollar a year law school has taught me nothing remotely as useful as this. My entire criminal law class was all theory, retibutive rationales for punishment vs. deterrence rationales etc.
I still think it would be very very hard to convict someone without a body though. To make out a prima facie case for murder you would have show that the defendant "caused the death of another person". Even if you found blood all over the place and the murder was caught holding a knife the murderer could just say that he stabbed the victim in the arm and he ran away. Without a body or a confession or maybe a video of him killing the victim I would think the most they could charge him with would be battery.
Actually I always thought that the best way to get rid of bodies would be to weight them down and toss them into the ocean. Their ain't no way anybody is going to find a body five miles out on the bottom of the ocean floor. It would be a lot less messy than the whole acid thing.
The True Right
31-10-2004, 18:24
Hmm... So acid is not a good way to go? Well I be darned! My $30,0000 dollar a year law school has taught me nothing remotely as useful as this. My entire criminal law class was all theory, retibutive rationales for punishment vs. deterrence rationales etc.
I still think it would be very very hard to convict someone without a body though. To make out a prima facie case for murder you would have show that the defendant "caused the death of another person". Even if you found blood all over the place and the murder was caught holding a knife the murderer could just say that he stabbed the victim in the arm and he ran away. Without a body or a confession or maybe a video of him killing the victim I would think the most they could charge him with would be battery.
Actually I always thought that the best way to get rid of bodies would be to weight them down and toss them into the ocean. Their ain't no way anybody is going to find a body five miles out on the bottom of the ocean floor. It would be a lot less messy than the whole acid thing.


If you put bodies in the ocean or lakes, be sure to slit them open from groin to rib cage. Due this so their bodies don't float up to the surface from decomposing gases. Be sure to go out further so it's really deep though.

Another good thing is to dismember the corpse into smaller pieces, then take the remains on a boat in shark infested waters. Then go chuming.

Throw the body into lava (first find a volcano). It'll be hot enough to destroy everything. If you don't have access to a volcano, try to sneak into a steel factory. Toss the body into a blast furnace. It should be hot enough to melt them down completely.

I never murdered anyone (esp those hookers found in the woods), I vow to never stop looking for the real killers and hunt them down.
Ashmoria
31-10-2004, 18:50
well i shot a man in reno, just to watch him die....



y'all are so young, anyone know what thats from?
Soviet Narco State
31-10-2004, 18:51
If you put bodies in the ocean or lakes, be sure to slit them open from groin to rib cage. Due this so their bodies don't float up to the surface from decomposing gases. Be sure to go out further so it's really deep though.

Another good thing is to dismember the corpse into smaller pieces, then take the remains on a boat in shark infested waters. Then go chuming.

Throw the body into lava (first find a volcano). It'll be hot enough to destroy everything. If you don't have access to a volcano, try to sneak into a steel factory. Toss the body into a blast furnace. It should be hot enough to melt them down completely.

I never murdered anyone (esp those hookers found in the woods), I vow to never stop looking for the real killers and hunt them down.

Ah more sage advice! I always thought that burning corpses sounded like a kind of bad idea though since everytime I see a horrible fire on the news they always identify the victim by the dental records. I don't know the melting point of tooth enamel but it must be really high. You would probably have to pick through the ashes and look for the teeth and then smash them with a sledge hammer or flush them down the toliet or something.
Backwatertin
31-10-2004, 21:31
well i shot a man in reno, just to watch him die....



y'all are so young, anyone know what thats from?

hahahaha i have no idea
Marxlan
31-10-2004, 21:42
Killed anyone? No...
But I really hurt someone's feelings once.

Name the film, anyone?
Petrine Primacy
31-10-2004, 22:02
Ronin

Good DeNiro movie.
Phaiakia
31-10-2004, 23:16
Hmm... So acid is not a good way to go? Well I be darned! My $30,0000 dollar a year law school has taught me nothing remotely as useful as this. My entire criminal law class was all theory, retibutive rationales for punishment vs. deterrence rationales etc.
I still think it would be very very hard to convict someone without a body though. To make out a prima facie case for murder you would have show that the defendant "caused the death of another person". Even if you found blood all over the place and the murder was caught holding a knife the murderer could just say that he stabbed the victim in the arm and he ran away. Without a body or a confession or maybe a video of him killing the victim I would think the most they could charge him with would be battery.
Actually I always thought that the best way to get rid of bodies would be to weight them down and toss them into the ocean. Their ain't no way anybody is going to find a body five miles out on the bottom of the ocean floor. It would be a lot less messy than the whole acid thing.

Theory is all good and well, but you should demand some practical learning.
Murder charges occur without bodies often and convictions also follow. It just means you'd need fairly strong circumstantial evidence or alot of it to get past the judge finding that there is no case. Once that's done, all you need to do is play with the jury.

If they can charge battery why not murder? You have the same problem. Without the concrete evidence how can you say that the accused actually battered the victim?


A few years back we had a guy convicted of murdering two people over New Years. Their bodies have never been found, they were likely to have been dumped at sea as the case was that he killed them on his boat in Marlbourough Sounds. Personally, as a law student at the time, I did not feel that the case should ever have gone to court. But he was charged and even convicted. Here the media definitely played a huge part. As much as we law types would like to think that juries solely regard the evidence in a case, this is simply not the case. It is only human nature to make judgements based on prejudices and gut reactions. This is why we have the appeals systems and judges to ensure there is no miscarriage of justice. For instance when a conviction can be quashed because a reasonable jury could never have convicted. Unfortunately the idea of the reasonable man or the reasonable jury is simply a legal construct.
Backwatertin
01-11-2004, 02:57
Theory is all good and well, but you should demand some practical learning.
Murder charges occur without bodies often and convictions also follow. It just means you'd need fairly strong circumstantial evidence or alot of it to get past the judge finding that there is no case. Once that's done, all you need to do is play with the jury.

If they can charge battery why not murder? You have the same problem. Without the concrete evidence how can you say that the accused actually battered the victim?


A few years back we had a guy convicted of murdering two people over New Years. Their bodies have never been found, they were likely to have been dumped at sea as the case was that he killed them on his boat in Marlbourough Sounds. Personally, as a law student at the time, I did not feel that the case should ever have gone to court. But he was charged and even convicted. Here the media definitely played a huge part. As much as we law types would like to think that juries solely regard the evidence in a case, this is simply not the case. It is only human nature to make judgements based on prejudices and gut reactions. This is why we have the appeals systems and judges to ensure there is no miscarriage of justice. For instance when a conviction can be quashed because a reasonable jury could never have convicted. Unfortunately the idea of the reasonable man or the reasonable jury is simply a legal construct.

yeah what he said