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Ask a young gay man

Matokogothicka
30-10-2004, 17:55
I'm openly gay in CA, and in the senior year of high school. I came out in freshman year.

Now, before this becomes an antigay flamefest/liberal-conservative war, I'll just say this: honest inquiry from someone who has antigay beliefs is fine. I will simply ignore insults and flaming.

For background:
-I came out in a small, conservative town in WA
-moved to CA between sophomore and junior years
-grew up in CA
-liberal
-I am fairly versed in "gay culture" stuff (clothing, terminology, major subcultures, literature, rights issues, and so on), being near enough to San Francisco for regular visits. I don't claim to be an authority, but I know more than most of the humans on this earth about this subject.

Don't be afraid to ask what's on your mind, I seek only to be informative. You won't be insulted for being curious (not by me, anyway).
Gigatron
30-10-2004, 18:04
Do you think people like us should have exactly the same rights as heterosexuals? (e.g. marriage, child adoption, tax benefits, inheritance, etc.).
Matokogothicka
30-10-2004, 18:09
Do you think people like us should have exactly the same rights as heterosexuals? (e.g. marriage, child adoption, tax benefits, inheritance, etc.).

Absolutely I do. The only real differences between gay and straight folks are a few genes and the standard life experience we have during puberty. There may be some others, but I'm no psychologist...

The experiences we have make a huge difference, though. I finally sought a gay therapist, because my straight-but-gay-knowledgeable therapist just didn't know what it's like. She couldn't - she's straight, and so hasn't had even remotely similar experiences around sexuality.
CSW
30-10-2004, 18:24
Nice UWF.
United White Front
30-10-2004, 18:29
Go back to iran, get out of our country you taliban.
towel band i think not
New Granada
30-10-2004, 18:31
towel band i think not


You ditty name about being a white supremist doesnt fool me, you are pure fundementalist taliban in everything you say.

So go back to Iran Mullah United bin White Front

And also, if you get near any public transportation, I will report you to the FBI and DHS.
Novvs Atlantis
30-10-2004, 18:32
Did you choose to be homosexual or do you think you were born homosexual?
United White Front
30-10-2004, 18:34
You ditty name about being a white supremist doesnt fool me, you are pure fundementalist taliban in everything you say.

So go back to Iran Mullah United bin White Front

And also, if you get near any public transportation, I will report you to the FBI and DHS.
ypur wierd i've had fbi background checks before
i'm in the public service of the us military
Matokogothicka
30-10-2004, 18:40
Did you choose to be homosexual or do you think you were born homosexual?

At puberty, when my friends started drooling over girls, I just wasn't interested in them. Then, I started noticing guys... I certainly don't feel that I have, or have ever had, any say in the matter of my sexuality. Believe me, I would rather not be the target of hate. Not to say I'm not proud to be gay - it's just difficult, that's all.
Pacitalia
30-10-2004, 18:42
ypur wierd i've had fbi background checks before
i'm in the public service of the us military

Just. Shut. Up. Now.

Leave it, you guys.
Kanabia
30-10-2004, 18:44
Would you actually get turned on if you saw a pornographic image featuring a woman?

(you knew it was coming :p)
Siljhouettes
30-10-2004, 18:49
Ask a young gay man
What music do you like?

Do you think people like us should have exactly the same rights as heterosexuals? (e.g. marriage, child adoption, tax benefits, inheritance, etc.).
I never understand why there is such a large number of people who would say "no".
Jasceem
30-10-2004, 18:49
Absolutely I do. The only real differences between gay and straight folks are a few genes and the standard life experience we have during puberty. There may be some others, but I'm no psychologist...

The experiences we have make a huge difference, though. I finally sought a gay therapist, because my straight-but-gay-knowledgeable therapist just didn't know what it's like. She couldn't - she's straight, and so hasn't had even remotely similar experiences around sexuality.

But do you think it would be fair to the child that you adopt, you have to think about other people that these desicions would affect.
Gigatron
30-10-2004, 18:59
But do you think it would be fair to the child that you adopt, you have to think about other people that these desicions would affect.
So the still existing discrimination against gays and gay couples should be reason enough to bar gay couples from adoption? Is it not the duty of society to shed it's prejudices and face the facts, namely that a child grows up just as well in a family with 2 men/women as it does in a heterosexual family? Why should the prejudices of some people be used to bar people from equal treatment in front of the law? This is exactly the same argumentation that led to the holocaust or prevented jews in the 1940s in Germany to have the same rights in front of the law. They were "unworthy" and people should consider the consequences of giving unworthy and not even human individuals the same treatment as everyone else. I'm sorry but the "the kids would be discriminated against if people find out" mentality is bad.
Gigatron
30-10-2004, 19:06
http://www.thomasrobb.com/Clip5.ram you need realplayer
Got a question: Did the permission of inter-racial marriages, open the path for man-animal marriages or polygamy or other forms of "marriage"?
The Mindset
30-10-2004, 19:16
Are you single? :P
Matokogothicka
30-10-2004, 19:16
Would you actually get turned on if you saw a pornographic image featuring a woman?

(you knew it was coming :p)

I have been, very occasionally. I'm slightly bi, but then, most people are. I'm certainly not bi enough to engage in a straight relationship, though.
Matokogothicka
30-10-2004, 19:17
Are you single? :P

Totally and completely :D
Matokogothicka
30-10-2004, 19:24
But do you think it would be fair to the child that you adopt, you have to think about other people that these desicions would affect.

Parenting-wise, yes, I do. Sure, children need male and female role models, but I'm not convinced they have to be parents. For example, I lived for several years with my aunt and uncle, and quickly began to regard them as my parents. Even though I lived with them for less than three years, they helped me to change my own life, and became my role models at a time when my biological parents were unable to do so.

Another thing to consider is how this argument affects single parents. I know plenty of healthy, happy kids who are being raised exclusively by their mother or father.

A female role model is needed, sure, and when I have kids, you bet I'm going to make sure they have good female role models. They could be counselors, teachers, best friend's mom... one of my friends, even. While a mother would be ideal, I don't think it's entirely necessary to raise a healthy child.
Matokogothicka
30-10-2004, 19:29
What music do you like?


It depends entirely on my mood. I have a large collection, ranging from Swedish, Norse, Japanese and American death metal all the way to the Beatles. I listen the most to Japanese rock, symphonic metal, psy-trance, industrial and grunge.
Jeffastan
30-10-2004, 19:37
-I am fairly versed in "gay culture" stuff (clothing, terminology, major subcultures, literature, rights issues, and so on)

Two questions:

Relating to this information, which group invented 'huggles' the gay culture, or furries?

Do you think being in a monogamous relationship, by definition, makes someone either gay or straight, as opposed to bi? I only ask because this tends to confuse me, you are to stick with that person, who can clearly only be one sex or the other.
Indiru
30-10-2004, 19:55
Is it possible to "turn one straight"? It's not fair that all the hot ones are gay guys. IT'S NOT FAIR I SAY!
Matokogothicka
30-10-2004, 19:56
Two questions:

Relating to this information, which group invented 'huggles' the gay culture, or furries?

Do you think being in a monogamous relationship, by definition, makes someone either gay or straight, as opposed to bi? I only ask because this tends to confuse me, you are to stick with that person, who can clearly only be one sex or the other.

Hmm... franky I've no idea who huggled first. I've been part of both cultures at various times, so it could have come from either as far as I know - or both at once! There are a lot of gay furries out there.

Bi simply means that you can go either way. Many bi individuals are in long-term relationships. Also, keep in mind that within the LGBT community, gender definitions are slowly eroding. There are many transsexuals and transgendered folks in SF, as well as people who are in some transition state anatomically - sometimes permanently. This raises many questions - is a woman who identifies emotionally as male and dresses, acts, and is known as male a man? Half-man? Is a man who identifies as female and goes through hormonal therapy and surgery female? How about hormonal therapy, but no surgery? It's a confusing world out there, that's for sure :headbang:
Matokogothicka
30-10-2004, 20:02
Is it possible to "turn one straight"? It's not fair that all the hot ones are gay guys. IT'S NOT FAIR I SAY!

Though there are some psychologists even now who claim to be able to change sexuality, this idea has long been rejected by the psychological and therapeutic mainstream. As for "all the hot ones are gay guys," here's the best explanation I've found:

Men are generally more concrete and visual, women more relational and emotional. Gay men are no different than straight men in this respect - where women look at least partially for a good personality and caring heart, men are focused much more so on a hot body and good sex. Therefore, gay men generally tend to take better care of themselves than straight men, in order to attract mates and to "keep up with the competition." Conversely, lesbians tend to dress and preen in a more utilitarian fashion.
Commie-Pinko Scum
30-10-2004, 20:59
I'm playing devil's advocate here...

What is the "purpose" behind gay culture? That is to say, is the "camp" phenomenon used purely to shock reactionary elements in society?
The Mindset
30-10-2004, 21:03
I am also gay, but I am not "camp." However, my boyfriend is, so I can speak from direct experience. I believe it's his way of proving to the world that he doesn't give two shits about how they treat him, or how they think about him. You might as well ask "what is the purpose in punks?" What is the purpose in any "trademark" for any class of society? Camp men are what distinguish the gay society, and camp men are usually camp because they know this.
Commie-Pinko Scum
30-10-2004, 21:05
I am also gay, but I am not "camp." However, my boyfriend is, so I can speak from direct experience. I believe it's his way of proving to the world that he doesn't give two shits about how they treat him, or how they think about him. You might as well ask "what is the purpose in punks?" What is the purpose in any "trademark" for any class of society? Camp men are what distinguish the gay society, and camp men are usually camp because they know this.

Good point :)
New Fuglies
30-10-2004, 21:08
Do you often feel like strangling Christians? I do! :D
CRACKPIE
30-10-2004, 21:11
http://www.thomasrobb.com/Clip5.ram you need realplayer
oh...jesus christ...why did i click on it?
La Terra di Liberta
30-10-2004, 21:38
Honestly, if God gives a damn about peoples sexual orientation, then he has no life. There are plenty of hertosexual people who commit rape, make child porn, etc but that doesn't mean they are better than a homosexual who lives a pretty average life and have a partner from the same gender. Ok but back to the point of the thread, is there any gay person over the coarse of history whom you have really admired for what they have done/accomplished in their life?
Queer Republicans
30-10-2004, 21:51
But do you think it would be fair to the child that you adopt, you have to think about other people that these desicions would affect.

Absoloutely! I completely and 100% agree with you. Okay, marriage is fine between two men or two women, but I am totally against gay partners having children. One of my best friend's dad is homosexual and dresses in drag and I'm one of the only people she's told. She was completely embarassed and nearly cried happy tears when I told her, "That's awesome!" I mean, one cannot be so selfish as to say, "Oh, I want kids, but I don't care about their feelings or the suffering they will have to go through." Think of the torment that has afflicted you your whole life and now think of putting a child through that. ...And when we are talking about a homosexual male creating life with a woman (By whichever means) that's even worse. It is scientifically accepted that homosexuality is a mutation in DNA and therefore it can be passed on within a family. Why in God's (Allah's, Budha's, or Zeus's) name would anyone want their child to be homosexual? It is a completely horrible thing to live with and enough children commit suicide because of it already. Don't put an innocent child through that.
Gigatron
30-10-2004, 22:05
Absoloutely! I completely and 100% agree with you. Okay, marriage is fine between two men or two women, but I am totally against gay partners having children. One of my best friend's dad is homosexual and dresses in drag and I'm one of the only people she's told. She was completely embarassed and nearly cried happy tears when I told her, "That's awesome!" I mean, one cannot be so selfish as to say, "Oh, I want kids, but I don't care about their feelings or the suffering they will have to go through." Think of the torment that has afflicted you your whole life and now think of putting a child through that. ...And when we are talking about a homosexual male creating life with a woman (By whichever means) that's even worse. It is scientifically accepted that homosexuality is a mutation in DNA and therefore it can be passed on within a family. Why in God's (Allah's, Budha's, or Zeus's) name would anyone want their child to be homosexual? It is a completely horrible thing to live with and enough children commit suicide because of it already. Don't put an innocent child through that.
Just a correction: people who are gay commit suicide (if at all) due to the pressure society puts on them and the failure of parents to properly care for their kids - gay or not. It's the ignorance and intolerance of society that leads to suicide, not the fact that people are gay. Being gay is perfectly acceptable - but the society and environment people have to live in, can lead to such pressure that it becomes unbearable for them to endure life like that. If everyone would be understanding and not stick their nose where it does not belong, people could live happier lives and not care what other people think about them.
CRACKPIE
30-10-2004, 22:05
Absoloutely! I completely and 100% agree with you. Okay, marriage is fine between two men or two women, but I am totally against gay partners having children. One of my best friend's dad is homosexual and dresses in drag and I'm one of the only people she's told. She was completely embarassed and nearly cried happy tears when I told her, "That's awesome!" I mean, one cannot be so selfish as to say, "Oh, I want kids, but I don't care about their feelings or the suffering they will have to go through." Think of the torment that has afflicted you your whole life and now think of putting a child through that. ...And when we are talking about a homosexual male creating life with a woman (By whichever means) that's even worse. It is scientifically accepted that homosexuality is a mutation in DNA and therefore it can be passed on within a family. Why in God's (Allah's, Budha's, or Zeus's) name would anyone want their child to be homosexual? It is a completely horrible thing to live with and enough children commit suicide because of it already. Don't put an innocent child through that.


tsk tsk...republicans *burns yet another cheney effigy*
Bottle
30-10-2004, 22:08
It is scientifically accepted that homosexuality is a mutation in DNA and therefore it can be passed on within a family.
actually, it has been conclusively established that homosexuality is NOT 100% genetic, and that environmental impacts can actually have more of an effect, depending on the individual.

READ A BOOK, HOMOPHOBES.
Queer Republicans
30-10-2004, 22:11
Just a correction: people who are gay commit suicide (if at all) due to the pressure society puts on them and the failure of parents to properly care for their kids - gay or not. It's the ignorance and intolerance of society that leads to suicide, not the fact that people are gay. Being gay is perfectly acceptable - but the society and environment people have to live in, can lead to such pressure that it becomes unbearable for them to endure life like that. If everyone would be understanding and not stick their nose where it does not belong, people could live happier lives and not care what other people think about them.

Nonetheless the homosexuality and the hatred of society is what drives them to suicide. It's not just society. As a homosexual Republican, living in a Republican suburb of Milwaukee, I feel hatred everyday coming from my peers. So society definately plays a role, but they wouldn't be haters if I wasn't gay.

As for the parenting thing... Yeah, no. I have wonderful parents who as of recently have accepted me as homosexual. Why then am I constantly emo? Because I'm gay, not because I was brought up bad.
Queer Republicans
30-10-2004, 22:13
actually, it has been conclusively established that homosexuality is NOT 100% genetic, and that environmental impacts can actually have more of an effect, depending on the individual.

READ A BOOK, HOMOPHOBES.

A- I'm not homophobe.
B- I'm not wrong.

Homosexuality is not environmental. At all. How can an environment affect sexual preference?
La Terra di Liberta
30-10-2004, 22:13
Nonetheless the homosexuality and the hatred of society is what drives them to suicide. It's not just society. As a homosexual Republican, living in a Republican suburb of Milwaukee, I feel hatred everyday coming from my peers. So society definately plays a role, but they wouldn't be haters if I wasn't gay.

As for the parenting thing... Yeah, no. I have wonderful parents who as of recently have accepted me as homosexual. Why then am I constantly emo? Because I'm gay, not because I was brought up bad.



Why are you a Republican? Honestly, I'm a Conservative (not homophobic) but in general, the anti gay rhetoric is pretty harsh from some of the people I know.
Queer Republicans
30-10-2004, 22:16
I'm a Republican because I stand for every Republican issue, other than gay marriage. But I'm definately not voting Democrat for one issue.
Bottle
30-10-2004, 22:17
A- I'm not homophobe.
B- I'm not wrong.

Homosexuality is not environmental. At all. How can an environment affect sexual preference?

sorry, you are utterly wrong. studies of identical twins conclusively prove that homosexuality cannot be 100% genetic. period. people with IDENTICAL DNA only have about 70% concordance in sexual preference. now, that is higher than people with non-identical DNA, supporting that there is a genetic COMPONENT to sexuality, but if sexuality were determined 100% by genetics then identical twins would show 100% concordance. they don't. furthermore, identical twins reared in the same family have higher concordance than identical twins reared in different families, adding even more weight to the notion that one's environment impacts the way in which one's sexuality is expressed.

seriously, do some background reading before you spout off about this stuff. don't just regurgitate what other homophobes have told you...learn for yourself. the facts are there for all to read. i recommend the JSTOR search engine, personally, but there are many others (like PsychInfo) that will also work very well.
CRACKPIE
30-10-2004, 22:20
A- I'm not homophobe.
B- I'm not wrong.

Homosexuality is not environmental. At all. How can an environment affect sexual preference?


lets look at it mathematically.
Chine, because of it child-limitation laws, has a percentage of men substantially higher than that of most other countries.
Now, what we need is a study of homosexuality in china, seee if its higher than in the u.s
CRACKPIE
30-10-2004, 22:22
Nonetheless the homosexuality and the hatred of society is what drives them to suicide. It's not just society. As a homosexual Republican, living in a Republican suburb of Milwaukee, I feel hatred everyday coming from my peers. So society definately plays a role, but they wouldn't be haters if I wasn't gay.

As for the parenting thing... Yeah, no. I have wonderful parents who as of recently have accepted me as homosexual. Why then am I constantly emo? Because I'm gay, not because I was brought up bad.
well,lets see...MOVE, DUMBASS! Its like I sudenly put up a a tent on a kkk meeting.
Queer Republicans
30-10-2004, 22:22
Homophobe - Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.

What a joke. I neither fear nor hate homosexuals. I am one. I just don't believe that letting homosexuals raise children is right.

And environment still has nothing to do with sexual preference. Maybe I'm wrong here though because your definition of environment is unclear. A child is not deemed homosexual because the way he is brought up or experiences life. That's like saying that a person can turn from homosexual to heterosexual.
La Terra di Liberta
30-10-2004, 22:23
I'm a Republican because I stand for every Republican issue, other than gay marriage. But I'm definately not voting Democrat for one issue.



Hmmm, I'd only vote for the Republicans if McCain was running, I hate Bush and the fact I live in Canada doesn't help.
Queer Republicans
30-10-2004, 22:24
well,lets see...MOVE, DUMBASS! Its like I sudenly put up a a tent on a kkk meeting.

Ooooh, how about I move to Hollywood where there are pot smoking hippies in the street who think the slaughtering of babies is right and war is bad. That sounds peachy.
Queer Republicans
30-10-2004, 22:25
Lol! You know what's funny? I don't even know you people and you are getting me worked up. It is time for me to go make a lemon meringue pie.

Adios.
The Gongites
30-10-2004, 22:32
When people find out you are gay in real life, do they ask you increassingly personal questions and sometimes go into politics or how "I think gay people are ok AS LONG AS THEY DON'yT HIT ON ME" bullshit?
Matokogothicka
30-10-2004, 22:32
Do you often feel like strangling Christians? I do! :D
...people who use the Bible for "justification" for their hate, yeah...
Matokogothicka
30-10-2004, 22:35
When people find out you are gay in real life, do they ask you increassingly personal questions and sometimes go into politics or how "I think gay people are ok AS LONG AS THEY DON'yT HIT ON ME" bullshit?

Adults don't do that stuff to me much, but in WA it happened a lot. It also happens at high school. I get asked sometimes, "so do you give or recieve?" or "so have you actually fcked a guy?" That kinda pisses me off. Would they like it if I asked them needling details about THEIR sex life?
The Gongites
30-10-2004, 22:38
I am in high school too, so I hears that often. Damn bastards are obsessed, habe to ask the same questions once a week, they do. Turn the whole damn study hall into an interview with a porn star, when I need to get my homework done.
Matokogothicka
30-10-2004, 22:41
I'm playing devil's advocate here...

What is the "purpose" behind gay culture? That is to say, is the "camp" phenomenon used purely to shock reactionary elements in society?

To some extent, yes. However, the equation gay culture = camp just doesn't add up. The purpose behind gay culture? I'd say it's to have a place where we belong, and where we don't have to "dress straight," butch up, and keep secrets. There's also the matter of finding a boy... How else will you find somone to spend the rest of your life with/screw and leave/romp with/bind up in chains?

Another thing - I think that the impression of gay men being "femme" is due mainly to straight society hyping up the masculine element in men. Gay men are not so subject to this, and so are more balanced. As a result, gay culture seems "femme" by comparison to construction worker/cowboy/rapper-style masculine popular identity.
Kybernetia
30-10-2004, 22:49
What do you think is the reason for homosexuality in general? Genetic or psychological (mis)development?
Greater Alvashi
30-10-2004, 23:06
A- I'm not homophobe.
B- I'm not wrong.

Homosexuality is not environmental. At all. How can an environment affect sexual preference?

The same way it can affect ones favorite color, food preferences, or personallity, I suppose.
Jeffastan
31-10-2004, 04:57
And environment still has nothing to do with sexual preference. Maybe I'm wrong here though because your definition of environment is unclear. A child is not deemed homosexual because the way he is brought up or experiences life. That's like saying that a person can turn from homosexual to heterosexual.

A person can turn from gay to bi to straight, or whatever. I've seen this VERY often, especially among the young and confused. Whatever label you have is what you deem yourself, not what others call you. Enviroment = ANYTHING that is not hereditary. Honestly, you can seperate two indentical twins, raise one in a homophobic family, and one in the rainbow district of San Fran, and they may well not be the same orientation.

As for a famous homosexual asked by someone? Tchaicovsky was thought to be gay. Also, many famous Greeks were bi.
HadesRulesMuch
31-10-2004, 05:03
The only real differences between gay and straight folks are a few genes
This part I would have to challenge. I have not heard of a study yet, that claimed they had found a genetic difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals, that wasn't subsequently debunked. However, as I see it being a matter of choice, and more specifically, your choice, I would say that despite my christian background and continued faith, it is still your choice to do as you please. I may see it as being wrong, according to my faith, but I honestly can't expect to make you change, so I won't try.

By the way, the whole "I had no choice" argument doesn't do you any good. It really makes it sound worse. You see, claiming a genetic discrepancy is responsible merely makes it sound like you were born with a defect. If you are gay, and don't mind admitting it, then stand up for your choice. Say "That's right, I'm gay and I'm not ashamed, because its what I want." I would rrespect you more for that than simply some genetic claim.
Shaed
31-10-2004, 05:47
Are people as incredibly rude to you in person as they appear to be online, or do the behave like actual human beings in real life?
Kanabia
31-10-2004, 09:40
I have been, very occasionally. I'm slightly bi, but then, most people are. I'm certainly not bi enough to engage in a straight relationship, though.

Hmm, thanks for clearing that up. I've wondered for a while.

One of my best friends is bi, but i've never actually asked a "completely" gay person.
Sheilanagig
31-10-2004, 09:56
I'm openly gay in CA, and in the senior year of high school. I came out in freshman year.

Now, before this becomes an antigay flamefest/liberal-conservative war, I'll just say this: honest inquiry from someone who has antigay beliefs is fine. I will simply ignore insults and flaming.

For background:
-I came out in a small, conservative town in WA
-moved to CA between sophomore and junior years
-grew up in CA
-liberal
-I am fairly versed in "gay culture" stuff (clothing, terminology, major subcultures, literature, rights issues, and so on), being near enough to San Francisco for regular visits. I don't claim to be an authority, but I know more than most of the humans on this earth about this subject.

Don't be afraid to ask what's on your mind, I seek only to be informative. You won't be insulted for being curious (not by me, anyway).


Is it a culture, or is it just a sexual preference? I guess what I mean is, why do so many gay men have to flounce around and lisp, just to prove they're gay? Couldn't they just talk and walk and behave like anyone else you'd ever meet, not having to validate their sexual preference as if it were really a culture?

Oh, and this isn't meant to be mean or anything, but why do gay men generally have a collectively atrocious taste in music?
Chodolo
31-10-2004, 10:00
This part I would have to challenge. I have not heard of a study yet, that claimed they had found a genetic difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals, that wasn't subsequently debunked. However, as I see it being a matter of choice, and more specifically, your choice, I would say that despite my christian background and continued faith, it is still your choice to do as you please. I may see it as being wrong, according to my faith, but I honestly can't expect to make you change, so I won't try.

By the way, the whole "I had no choice" argument doesn't do you any good. It really makes it sound worse. You see, claiming a genetic discrepancy is responsible merely makes it sound like you were born with a defect. If you are gay, and don't mind admitting it, then stand up for your choice. Say "That's right, I'm gay and I'm not ashamed, because its what I want." I would rrespect you more for that than simply some genetic claim.
Again, for the last time, if you argue homosexuality is a choice, then heterosexuality must also be a choice.
Preebles
31-10-2004, 10:15
I'm not sure if you've been asked, but how do you deal with the discrimination and stuff? And how does it affect you?
Peopleandstuff
31-10-2004, 10:41
I'd like to ask about the whole coming out business. Did you struggle for long, did other's suspect, how did people react, how did you go about 'coming out' and what did you consider when deciding (ie reasons that most influenced you not to come out and what finally made up your mind)....as you can see I have taken you at your word regarding not being shy to ask.

Also I have to say highschool is really young, and 10 years ago it would have been very rare for any highschooler (who actually knew enough about the issues to identify themselves as homosexual) to admit to homosexuality. In your opinion do you think that is still the case and you are an exception, or do you think that there has been some progress in society that makes refusing to hide one's sexuality more tenable than in previous generations?
Robesia
31-10-2004, 14:37
Is it a culture, or is it just a sexual preference? I guess what I mean is, why do so many gay men have to flounce around and lisp, just to prove they're gay? Couldn't they just talk and walk and behave like anyone else you'd ever meet, not having to validate their sexual preference as if it were really a culture?

Oh, and this isn't meant to be mean or anything, but why do gay men generally have a collectively atrocious taste in music?

*Ahem* I'll take this one. I'm gay, currently have a boyfriend. I listen to Megadeth and Metallica, as well as general classic rock from Led Zeppelin to Lynard Skynard. I don't think I have an atrocious taste in music, though you may be thinking of the 'rave' portion of the gay culture, which straight people have their share of. Or you may be thinking of the Cher stereotype.

On top of that, I don't act at all like the stereotypical gay person. I do not purposefully wag my ass behind me like a girl, I do not wear purple, pink, or any 'girly' colours, and I have a deep and 'manly' voice that my boyfriend loves, and do nothing to make it sound girly or lispy. My boyfriend has a more femme voice, but it's natural, he doesn't 'make' it like that with nasal and lispy noises. I see no reason to speak and act like that, as those types are generally the people that keep up old stereotypes, as well. I find most of those stereotypes disgusting, like Jack from Will and Grace. I sneer everytime I see him on TV, as well as damn near every guy on Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Queer as Folk isn't quite as bad though, even though I don't watch it.
Kanabia
31-10-2004, 15:59
Is it a culture, or is it just a sexual preference? I guess what I mean is, why do so many gay men have to flounce around and lisp, just to prove they're gay?

My theory is that they (not all) need a way to attract other gays...

After all, how can you know just by looks?
Right-Wing America
31-10-2004, 16:14
I'm openly gay in CA, and in the senior year of high school. I came out in freshman year.

Now, before this becomes an antigay flamefest/liberal-conservative war, I'll just say this: honest inquiry from someone who has antigay beliefs is fine. I will simply ignore insults and flaming.

For background:
-I came out in a small, conservative town in WA
-moved to CA between sophomore and junior years
-grew up in CA
-liberal
-I am fairly versed in "gay culture" stuff (clothing, terminology, major subcultures, literature, rights issues, and so on), being near enough to San Francisco for regular visits. I don't claim to be an authority, but I know more than most of the humans on this earth about this subject.

Don't be afraid to ask what's on your mind, I seek only to be informative. You won't be insulted for being curious (not by me, anyway).


Why on earth do you have to have so many frikkin parades that simply celebrate your sexual prefrence?? I dont even see the point of having ONE parade just because of that reason but when you people stage so many one has to wonder why.

P.S: Whens the last time you saw a "straight" day parade?
Sdaeriji
31-10-2004, 16:23
Why on earth do you have to have so many frikkin parades that simply celebrate your sexual prefrence?? I dont even see the point of having ONE parade just because of that reason but when you people stage so many one has to wonder why.

P.S: Whens the last time you saw a "straight" day parade?

Because of the same reason we don't have "White History Month" or a masculinist movement. General life is a straight day parade.
Sheilanagig
01-11-2004, 05:29
*Ahem* I'll take this one. I'm gay, currently have a boyfriend. I listen to Megadeth and Metallica, as well as general classic rock from Led Zeppelin to Lynard Skynard. I don't think I have an atrocious taste in music, though you may be thinking of the 'rave' portion of the gay culture, which straight people have their share of. Or you may be thinking of the Cher stereotype.

On top of that, I don't act at all like the stereotypical gay person. I do not purposefully wag my ass behind me like a girl, I do not wear purple, pink, or any 'girly' colours, and I have a deep and 'manly' voice that my boyfriend loves, and do nothing to make it sound girly or lispy. My boyfriend has a more femme voice, but it's natural, he doesn't 'make' it like that with nasal and lispy noises. I see no reason to speak and act like that, as those types are generally the people that keep up old stereotypes, as well. I find most of those stereotypes disgusting, like Jack from Will and Grace. I sneer everytime I see him on TV, as well as damn near every guy on Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Queer as Folk isn't quite as bad though, even though I don't watch it.

I say the bit about musical taste because every gay man I've ever known has listened to things like The Indigo Girls or KD Lang, or Madonna, or Cher. In fact, I once inherited a CD collection from a gay man, and it was full of the stuff. That and boy bands.

I don't like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, simply because they do that whole screeching, bitchy act, which I wouldn't take from a woman. I guess I'm just going by what I've seen.
New Genoa
01-11-2004, 06:08
Can you name some terminology?
Syndra
01-11-2004, 06:51
Do you believe in using the pink triangles and rainbows in symbology for gayness? Don't they really make gay people and us straight supports just seem more like FRRREAKS?
Sheilanagig
01-11-2004, 14:44
Do you believe in using the pink triangles and rainbows in symbology for gayness? Don't they really make gay people and us straight supports just seem more like FRRREAKS?

Well, I think it would help if gay people, and everyone else, for that matter, would just be themselves. It would go a long way toward acceptance and tolerance. Of course, that means that everyone else would have to meet them halfway, and give them a chance.