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I was called a pussy tonight by someone when I proclaimed that I would be voting for Kerry. I thought that he was joking, but he quickly made it evident that he was not joking.

My question is, are conservatives that serious about this, he clearly proved himself a jackass, but do the conservatives on here truly consider liberals pussies? And would you be willing to fight over it?

All along I thought it was just silly banter, but now I'm not sure.

Yeah, pussy, voting your conscience. That's so girly, standing up for your beliefs. The manly thing to do is fall into line and be a puppet.

I was called a pussy tonight by someone when I proclaimed that I would be voting for Kerry. I thought that he was joking, but he quickly made it evident that he was not joking.

My question is, are conservatives that serious about this, he clearly proved himself a jackass, but do the conservatives on here truly consider liberals pussies? And would you be willing to fight over it?

All along I thought it was just silly banter, but now I'm not sure.
Don't take one man's ravings as an indication of all conservatives. Just as all liberals aren't the wimps he was trying to make you out to be, all conservatives aren't the asshats that person made himself out to be.

To bring a quote out from the Daily Show..... between Bush and Not Bush, Not Bush would win.... and it is likely that Not Bush would even be able to beat Kerry were he to run against Kerry.

I've noticed that most people who insult anti-war protesters or believers or pacifists or whatnot...these people are usually the least likily to actually sign up for any military service :p

This guy sure seemed ready for a fight.

I wouldn't mind if we sent him to the front lines.

My question is, are conservatives that serious about this, he clearly proved himself a jackass, but do the conservatives on here truly consider liberals pussies? And would you be willing to fight over it?

Well, the Republican party has spent most of the past decade characterising liberals as weak and effeminate, so it's not surprising that he thinks this.

P.S. conservative =/= Republican

Hey, be glad you voted... how many people out there don't.

Granted I wouldn't have said who I voted for... of course if pressured, I would have said one of four answers.

1) The same person you did.
2) The other guy
3) none of your business.
4) Major Glory and his running mate, the Infragable Gronk.

I was called a pussy tonight by someone when I proclaimed that I would be voting for Kerry. I thought that he was joking, but he quickly made it evident that he was not joking.

My question is, are conservatives that serious about this, he clearly proved himself a jackass, but do the conservatives on here truly consider liberals pussies? And would you be willing to fight over it?

All along I thought it was just silly banter, but now I'm not sure.

That's funny, don't they believe in democracy or it is democracy for conservatism (= authoritianism). :p

I think ppl are more and more voting for an image, not for issues. If you vote for the republicans, you vote for being 'the tough guy', the patriot, the one that dislikes central government. Not for the issues of the republican party. A vote for the democrats is a vote for an intellectual, progressive image.
If the election was only about issues, ppl wouldnt get so emotional. It's their own personality that's being disputed.

How do we know you aren't a pussy?

I think ppl are more and more voting for an image, not for issues. If you vote for the republicans, you vote for being 'the tough guy', the patriot, the one that dislikes central government. Not for the issues of the republican party. A vote for the democrats is a vote for an intellectual, progressive image.
If the election was only about issues, ppl wouldnt get so emotional. It's their own personality that's being disputed.
I think it's really more like

Republican: "Uhh, liberals suck, ALWAYS vote Republican!"
Democrat: "OMG teh Republicons are EVIL! Vote Not Bush!"

"conservative" is an interesting label because it has in fact come to mean a couple of different things.

Classic conservatism is the school of thought which proposes that nothing should change too quickly, and that the trappings of government should remain static. These are generally the old guys who own country estates and manservants (or if you're across the pond, they're generally the shotgun wielding maniacs on ranches). These are probably the sorts of people who call you a pussy if you vote democrat.

However, the term "conservative" is often used as a label for philosophies which might be considered more "libertarian". People of this group tend to be fiercly anti-taxation, and strong supporters of civil rights and the right to privacy. We're pro private enterprise, pro-capitalism, and sure, you might label us conservative, but we're not the belligerent, blunt assholes who call you a pussy.

In a previous discussion about why the Nam vets hate Kerry I tried to explain the view of vets as I am a Nam vet. I was called "crazy" "hateful old man" "jackass" "motherf***er" "idiot" " "liar" "monster" "ignorant" (as to what went on in Nam) and was even accused of "lying my ass off" about my service. The person who started the thread even demanded that people who didn't agree with his/her views get off the thread. When I provided numerous links to transcripts I was told the source sites were partisan and not acceptable. Guess it didn't occur to this person that pro-Kerry sites wouldn't have information that proves him to be a liar and traitor.

Is this tactic a weopon of conservatives only? Hardly. Try arguing the conservative side and watch the jackals come in for a kill.

I'm having a debate in my history class monday on who should be elected. Here are the results for our election:

Kerry: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Bush: ++++++++++++++
Badnarik: + <- That was my vote, bitch!

It's gonna get crazy, this debate.

But it seems like conservatives voting for Bush have a slightly higher average intelligence than many Kerry supporters (or at least in my class).

At least they both have it better than me, the *only* libertarian in the class

The bad apples of the conservatives are called "neo-conservatives" akin to "neo-fascists".

The bad apples of the conservatives are called "neo-conservatives" akin to "neo-fascists".

And the bad apples of the liberals are called John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. If we followed their plans we would have a socialist government with Michael Moore as chief advisor. <shudder>

And the bad apples of the liberals are called John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. If we followed their plans we would have a socialist government with Michael Moore as chief advisor. <shudder>
John Kerry actually isnt all that liberal. He's just intelligent (something Bush is not) and sees things from a different side than Bush (namely from the POV of the middle class, instead of the ultra-rich).

The bad apples of the conservatives are called "neo-conservatives" akin to "neo-fascists".
The "Neo-Con's" aren't really connected to "traditional" consevatism at all, it's more to do with following the ideas of a chap named Leo Stauss. Their agenda is completely different from what might be defined as traditional conservatism.

Strauss and proponents despised what they saw as the decay of values, and offered what they felt as a solution. They thought that If a common enemy was observed, then society could pull itself together and patch it's differences creating a stronger whole.

Chiefly to do then, with fabricating an enemy, and using this to attemt to gain the moral high-ground and a sense of greater purpouse. Anyone who has been watching The Power of Nightmares (BBC2 UK) will know what I mean.

And the bad apples of the liberals are called John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. If we followed their plans we would have a socialist government with Michael Moore as chief advisor. <shudder>
Oh noooo! Socialists! We should hang them all!

I'm not giving MY money so the POOR won't be too poor and everyone can get into a decent hospital.

Socialism = teh sux :gundge:

How do we know you aren't a pussy?

I don't think pussy's type very well lol

Well, I'm just asking; what if that guy was right? Maybe you are a puss. We wouldn't know that. I'm guessing that because you are on a message board posting how this has upset you - then you probably are a pussy - so there's no room to argue with the guy. You're a puss and you are voting for Kerry. Big deal, a lot of pussies are voting for Kerry.

Oh noooo! Socialists! We should hang them all!

I'm not giving MY money so the POOR won't be too poor and everyone can get into a decent hospital.

Socialism = teh sux :gundge:

In this country we are now into the 4th generation of families that have lived on the welfare system. They are not motivated to get educations and join the workforce because they know that they can draw a government check every month and the more kids they have the bigger the check is. I know that I could never have provided for my kids on what the welfare system allots per person but a lot of them seem to and have money left over for nonessential items. Our welfare system also provides medical care, housing, utilities, transportation expenses, education, and counseling. Welfare has become a career in the US. What happened to the idea that it was to help you through the rough spots until you could take care of yourself? We have jobs that Americans refuse to fill so immigrants take them. I have a few million candidates for those jobs.

A common claim is that not all Americans have health care. That is false. Everyone has access to quality health care. Not everyone has the ability to afford health insurance. Why is it so expensive? Take a look towards John Edwards and other trial lawyers who have made a very lucrative living ($500,000,000 for Edwards) suing our health care providers. Even the most frivilous suits require that doctors and insurance companies hire more high-paid lawyers to defend themselves.

John Kerry actually isnt all that liberal. He's just intelligent (something Bush is not) and sees things from a different side than Bush (namely from the POV of the middle class, instead of the ultra-rich).

You must have missed the recent reports on this. Military IQ tests administered to both of the candidates showed that Bush was more intelligent than Kerry. As for seeing from the POV of the middle class, have you seen their tax returns? The Bushs paid 34% and the Kerrys paid 12% on a much higher income. Just looking at their lifestyles and the people they run around with shows that the Bushs are much more in tune with the middle class. They actually have friends that don't own their own Gulfstream!
If you go by what Kerry says, you're being duped. Economists, even the one who won the Nobel, point out that Kerry's new taxes on the "rich" will only cover about 20% of the entitlements he is promising. Where do you think the rest of the money will from? His senate voting record will tell you where. Or maybe his big promises are just more smoke and mirrors. If you want to see how Kerry's plans will work, look at the Carter presidency. Dismal is a kind word to describe it.

Voting for Kerry doesn't make a pussy per se.
But democrats ARE 60% more likely to be metrosexual pussies on average.
Think about it.
Pro abortion, less out of true belief than to simply to keep women voting for them. (and let's face it, a pro-lifer just isn't getting laid in democratic circles)
Anti-gun, because they're just not nescessary. They'd never need one since they would roll over like trained poodles to an over-zealous government, even if it were right-wing. The women and blacks would be more likely to rise up in violent opposition than the white men of the party.
Anti-war, because in most cases, their professor told them it was bad. They crave to live or (re-live) the Vietnam protest glory days. 60's hippie wannabes. Make love, not war....phhht! The opposition to the war on terror is more about reliving the 60's than about substance for a significant portion of them.
Democratic Union Steel Workers? Probably not pussies.
Democratic College student/protestors? Pussies to a man, sorry.

I was called a pussy tonight by someone when I proclaimed that I would be voting for Kerry. I thought that he was joking, but he quickly made it evident that he was not joking.

My question is, are conservatives that serious about this, he clearly proved himself a jackass, but do the conservatives on here truly consider liberals pussies? And would you be willing to fight over it?

All along I thought it was just silly banter, but now I'm not sure.

Yes, yes we are.

I do consider them to be left wing pussies yes. I tell most my friends that say they like for Kerry the others that I don't say that to just like Kerry because they don't want to cross party lines so I just call them stupid.

My question is, are conservatives that serious about this, he clearly proved himself a jackass, but do the conservatives on here truly consider liberals pussies? And would you be willing to fight over it?What you call Liberal in the US would just about count as right-wing over here! Parties as far to the right as the Republicans would attract the extremist label in the UK.

So Democrat = Girly
Republican = Manly?

My gawd... you American nutjobs got issues.

So Democrat = Girly
Republican = Manly?

My gawd... you American nutjobs got issues.

First part I agree with for the most part there is a few exceptions as with anything. But I think you Europeans left wingers have issues because you ARE to civilized and that lead to bad things because YOUR OWN countrymen(and women) should be more important than someone elses country.

First part I agree with for the most part there is a few exceptions as with anything. But I think you Europeans left wingers have issues because you ARE to civilized and that lead to bad things because YOUR OWN countrymen(and women) should be more important than someone elses country.
Our own countrymen are important. But we chose not to act jingoistic anymore. It ended in 2 world wars and millions of deaths. No thanks. Had enough of this. However, the U.S. of A. now doing the same shit we did a century and 60 years ago is BAD!!!

well if pussy (such an evocative term) means "voting like a woman"
way more women than men are voting for kerry. so i guess he's right

there was an editorial in the newspaper last week wishing that we could deny men the vote for just a few years so we could get some stuff DONE. without the (stereotypical) male vote dragging us down we would HAVE good schools, we would HAVE universal health care, we would have ALL those things that men think are impossible.

sigh

Our own countrymen are important. But we chose not to act jingoistic anymore. It ended in 2 world wars and millions of deaths. No thanks. Had enough of this. However, the U.S. of A. now doing the same shit we did a century and 60 years ago is BAD!!!

I think of the lives of my own countrymen being MANY MANY MANY more times important than other countrys people but I don't think there is anything wrong with British people loving Britain the most or German People loving Germany the most, I just thinks its normal but there will always be the wacko nuts that want to be a one world government and pacifists but I hope to god that doesn't happen before I die.

There are a lot of crazies on both side of the fence that are hurting their parties. Moore and Coulter are a good example.

Don't dismiss either the right or the left because of one guy.

I hate Michael Moore,

It isn't a documentary if you sell it you stupid f***ing dumbs**t
i just wanna get a rifle and :sniper: ,
then run up to him then :mp5: ,
and hit his head on the wall like this :headbang:

Our own countrymen are important. But we chose not to act jingoistic anymore. It ended in 2 world wars and millions of deaths. No thanks. Had enough of this. However, the U.S. of A. now doing the same shit we did a century and 60 years ago is BAD!!!

Actually the US is doing the same thing it was 60 years ago; cleaning up Europe's mess. The conflict in the Middle East which has spawned today's war is in large part directly related to Europe's colonization of the region.

in fact, since african americans vote approximately 95% democratic maybe you should invite him to make that same pussy comment to one of those great big militant-looking black guys.

And I guess the U.S. supporting Saddam and the Afghan mujahadeen (which included Osama bin Laden) in the 1980s had nothing to do with it at all?

And I guess the U.S. supporting Saddam and the Afghan mujahadeen (which included Osama bin Laden) in the 1980s had nothing to do with it at all?

Relatively little in the scheme of things; the seeds had already been sown at that point. The US support of Saddam and the Afgan rebels was merely making the best of a situation already turned rotten by European meddling. Specifically, the US wanted to prevent Iranian or Iraqi hegemony in the region, thus we aided the weaker side (Saddam). Of course had it been reversed we would have aided Iran just as readily. In Afghanistan we sought to further weaken the Soviets, who were at the time the single greatest threat to America and the rest of the free world. Surely you've heard the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend?"

You know that deep down inside conservatives are afraid of losing power,the big end of the stick as it were.So to the person concerned don't be intimidated by this con-swerving big conservative dick he's just a frightened little boy,very much like like the leader he so espouses.Your Liberal-minded pal Eric from Ehricia.*By the way all Liberals are more than welcome to visit my peaceful Nation in the YoungWorld.

I was called a pussy tonight by someone when I proclaimed that I would be voting for Kerry. I thought that he was joking, but he quickly made it evident that he was not joking.

My question is, are conservatives that serious about this, he clearly proved himself a jackass, but do the conservatives on here truly consider liberals pussies? And would you be willing to fight over it?

All along I thought it was just silly banter, but now I'm not sure.

Dude,

It's not just conservatives. As a "big stick" libertarian I get called a "heartless bastard" or "child killer" by many a liberal because I don't support socialized medicine. I am admittedly a Bush voter, but I've gotten in arguments with dudes who shriek out "Fuck Kerry" about civility. Same goes for liberals, who insult me in ways similar to the above , as well as other things.

Truthfully, it isn't a liberal-conservative thing. It is just the way people are. No matter your political philosophy, there are vast quantities of morons out there who are willing to insult you. If you are able to brush it off and ignore it you are of a higher personal caliber than the insulters. If you can treat them with respect, you are a Human Being of the finest sort. This advice goes to all, liberal, conservative, libertarian or populist.

The wise and wonderful Andrew

ps I don't think liberals are pussys. and conservatives aren't nazis.

well if pussy (such an evocative term) means "voting like a woman"
way more women than men are voting for kerry. so i guess he's right

there was an editorial in the newspaper last week wishing that we could deny men the vote for just a few years so we could get some stuff DONE. without the (stereotypical) male vote dragging us down we would HAVE good schools, we would HAVE universal health care, we would have ALL those things that men think are impossible.

sigh

Everyone, everyone, everyone has a right to vote. The opinions of men are equally valid as the opinions of women. This "getting stuff done" attitude panders to one ideology, but all ideologies are equally valid. To get a good common middle (in Madisonian terms, the 'Public Weal') you must have all viewpoints represented, not just a liberal or conservative, or men or women, or black or white.

Fine, men violated women's rights for a long time, denying them the ballot and all, but I wasn't alive then. My grandfather wasn't alive then, my great-grandfather wasn't a voter then. I had nothing to do with it.

If you are going to call me a chauvanistic fascist pig, then go ahead. I guess if believing that all opinions are valid makes me that, I plead guilty.

I'm throwing my hat in the ring for the first time on any of the chats, so here goes.
I am a republican (and for the record, I am far from manly), but it doesn't mean I only vote for that party, that is my right. I plan to vote for Bush, but in our Senate race, I will be voting for a democrate, in that case, I feel he is the better man for the job. I feel an American is foolish to believe he (or she) has to only vote within party lines. That is not how the system is set up, it is set up for voters to vote for whom they feel is best for the job.

Both canidates say they are for the middle class and "understand the plite of the working poor". Give me a personal break. There is no way on earth that they can possibly understand.
I am very fortunate to have a wonderful husband and am considered middle class. That was not always the case. It takes alot of hard work just to be in the middle.
What I would like to see is this...
Select, at random, two different families which are comprised of a single parent with three children. Families that are considered the "working poor". Send the parent on a two month paid vacation (Kerry has a variety of homes, maybe send them to one of them or to Camp David).
Then place one canidate in each parent's place. They would have to work that person's job, collect that person's pay, pay that person's bills on that pay. They would also have full responsibility for the children and receive NO ASSISTANCE FROM ANY OUTSIDE SOURCES.
It would have to be at least two months, anything less would be too easy, you can't understand the mistakes you made the month before unless you have to pay the price of those mistakes the next month.
When they have done this, then let them tell me they understand. Not only would they maybe start to have insight on the problems these people have economically, but they would have had to deal with childcare and educational issues.
I am not a "liberal", I like to think I am more "middle o the road". I don't think the government should take us to raise. But if someone is going to constantly tout they know about something, they need prove to me that they do. Don't sit there in one of your five lavish homes with your wife's millions and say you get it. That is ridiculous.
And in reference to blaming America or Europe or any other area for the problems in the middle east, get real. I like to think I am not sorely inept in my history, maybe there is a time I don't know about, but as far as I know there have always been problems in the middle east. In what era has there ever been peace? Granted, the rest of the world may have gotten themselves involved whether right or wrong, but the rest of the world is not the reason for all the problems.

Okay, I've had my say. Figure I'll get blasted pretty good, but whatever.

well if pussy (such an evocative term) means "voting like a woman"
way more women than men are voting for kerry. so i guess he's right

there was an editorial in the newspaper last week wishing that we could deny men the vote for just a few years so we could get some stuff DONE. without the (stereotypical) male vote dragging us down we would HAVE good schools, we would HAVE universal health care, we would have ALL those things that men think are impossible.

sigh
I read a poli sci thesis a few years ago written by a friend. His premis was that the downfall of American society could be tied directly to giving women the right to vote.
We wouldn't have welfare, the employment rate would be it's highest ever, the economy would be strong, healthcare costs would be well within reason, crime rates would be slashed of what they are today. Schools would be what they are supposed to be, institutions of learning.

'Splain, Lucy!

Yeah, pussy, voting your conscience. That's so girly, standing up for your beliefs. The manly thing to do is fall into line and be a puppet.
And maybe he votes Republican for his own beliefs? Of course, it's so much easier for you to just think that anyone who doesn't vote your way is a puppet, eh? I guess people who voted for Clinton back in '96 were all puppets too?

I've noticed that most people who insult anti-war protesters or believers or pacifists or whatnot...these people are usually the least likily to actually sign up for any military service :p
I insult them and I was in the military. :)

lets be real..no one really likes kerry except for diehard liberals..the rest of the people who will be voting for him on tuesday simply hate bush. like me.

I consider myself middle of the road as well.
there are conservatives I can talk to and those i can't. same for Liberals.
It's the difference between Listening to NPR's 'all things considered' and Rush Limbagh. if yu can think beyond 'Ditto' we can probably exchange ideas.
That's probably why i believe the way for more than just 2 parties should be expidited, not choked off by the Republicans and Democrats. I haven't vote for either of them yet.

I read a poli sci thesis a few years ago written by a friend. His premis was that the downfall of American society could be tied directly to giving women the right to vote.
We wouldn't have welfare, the employment rate would be it's highest ever, the economy would be strong, healthcare costs would be well within reason, crime rates would be slashed of what they are today. Schools would be what they are supposed to be, institutions of learning.
Ever hear the term "behind every good man stands a woman"? Do you seriously think that no man who had the right to vote when women weren't allowed, never married a woman who had any kind of brain? Do you honestly think that they never had conversations where viewpoints were discussed? That's like saying that Hillary never ever spoke to Bill (even if rarely) about literally anything. There has always been a female influence over men, just like there has always been a male influence over females.
I am the mother of 6 boys and have a husband. I far from rule their thoughts, but I certainly have no problem letting my opinion be known, just like they have no problem letting me know what they think. There are actually times that we sway to the other's thinking. So just because, at one time, we were a "male dominated society" doesn't mean females didn't have a thought or two about the way things were being run.
Besides, if the males wanted to still have females and survive, they had to give us the right to vote. I know if I couldn't give my opinion, I sure wouldn't be cooking, cleaning or want to live up to my duties as a woman or as a person. I would feel if I couldn't express myself I would be less than a human and that the constitution would be a sham.
Ooops, an opinionated female.

What I would like to see is this...
Select, at random, two different families which are comprised of a single parent with three children. Families that are considered the "working poor". Send the parent on a two month paid vacation (Kerry has a variety of homes, maybe send them to one of them or to Camp David).
Then place one canidate in each parent's place. They would have to work that person's job, collect that person's pay, pay that person's bills on that pay. They would also have full responsibility for the children and receive NO ASSISTANCE FROM ANY OUTSIDE SOURCES.
It would have to be at least two months, anything less would be too easy, you can't understand the mistakes you made the month before unless you have to pay the price of those mistakes the next month.
When they have done this, then let them tell me they understand. Not only would they maybe start to have insight on the problems these people have economically, but they would have had to deal with childcare and educational issues.
I am not a "liberal", I like to think I am more "middle o the road". I don't think the government should take us to raise. But if someone is going to constantly tout they know about something, they need prove to me that they do. Don't sit there in one of your five lavish homes with your wife's millions and say you get it. That is ridiculous.
Okay, I've had my say. Figure I'll get blasted pretty good, but whatever.

there is only one thing wrong with your plan

EVERYONE WOULD BE DEAD WITHIN A WEEK!

no way in hell either man could handle the reality of living at the bottom.

I consider myself middle of the road as well.
there are conservatives I can talk to and those i can't. same for Liberals.
It's the difference between Listening to NPR's 'all things considered' and Rush Limbagh. if yu can think beyond 'Ditto' we can probably exchange ideas.
That's probably why i believe the way for more than just 2 parties should be expidited, not choked off by the Republicans and Democrats. I haven't vote for either of them yet.

I think it is a shame you haven't let your vote count. I realize you may not feel completely comfortable with the choices and it would be great to have a vote for "none of the above", but we all need to be counted.
We would probably have better choices if it weren't for the **** the canidates families have to go through from slander and digging up old skeletons that have rotted with time (your great great grandmother once did this and that so you are not fit... Fifty-two years ago you jay walked, so you are not fit...). Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could just vote for someone because of the leadership ability and their thoughts on right from wrong? Unfortunately, the best leader would probably never run, because the best leader is probably also the leader of a family he cares about and how can you be a good leader and place your loved ones in a hellish situation?

Everyone, everyone, everyone has a right to vote. The opinions of men are equally valid as the opinions of women. This "getting stuff done" attitude panders to one ideology, but all ideologies are equally valid. To get a good common middle (in Madisonian terms, the 'Public Weal') you must have all viewpoints represented, not just a liberal or conservative, or men or women, or black or white.

Fine, men violated women's rights for a long time, denying them the ballot and all, but I wasn't alive then. My grandfather wasn't alive then, my great-grandfather wasn't a voter then. I had nothing to do with it.

If you are going to call me a chauvanistic fascist pig, then go ahead. I guess if believing that all opinions are valid makes me that, I plead guilty.
nooo im not gonna call you names. yeahhhh everyone should have the right to vote. thats why this guy was wishing it could be done just for a little while. its not a serious proposal

but
I read a poli sci thesis a few years ago written by a friend. His premis was that the downfall of American society could be tied directly to giving women the right to vote.
We wouldn't have welfare, the employment rate would be it's highest ever, the economy would be strong, healthcare costs would be well within reason, crime rates would be slashed of what they are today. Schools would be what they are supposed to be, institutions of learning.
you look at other countries and how they have all this great stuff like good schools, free university, universal health care. then one day you look ^^UP^^ and realize just why we dont have them here.

and it makes you wish things that arent really right.

So Democrat = Girly
Republican = Manly?

My gawd... you American nutjobs got issues.

Seriously! And me being an American, this is saying something. Although this is my first time posting, and you may not consider my opinion worthy, I'll state it anyway.

I think what all are you of saying is basically summed up in the quoted passage; what do Democrats have to do with being girly? (The same goes for Republicans, and being manly.) Sure, I'm a girl. I admit it. But what the heck does being anti-war, and for abortion have to do with being "girly"? I think this also ties in to what the general "girly-girl" is like, and the "macho" ideals.

Yes, I'm anti-war, and yes, I'm for abortion/women's choice. Although (I forget who exactly posted this) Kerry MAY be doing this to get women's votes, I doubt it. Everything seems to be viewed on political strategy by people...I think it just has to do with Kerry's ideals. I don't see how being Democratic (or Democratic-supporting) makes you girly. I just don't.

And one more thing; I don't see how Kerry being pro-women's choice makes him a bad Catholic (or is it Christian?). Although this whole post is coming from a half Atheist, half Catholic (Its kinda my own religion...I believe in a God, but not in Jesus, and Mary, et cetera. Oh, but I do believe in angels.) The church shouldn't have said anything about it. Kerry's beliefs should have nothing to do with "good" Catholic or Christianism.

Again, all of this is coming from a twelve year old girl in New Jersey that just felt like stating her opinion for the first time on this forum. Bye now. :p

there is only one thing wrong with your plan

EVERYONE WOULD BE DEAD WITHIN A WEEK!

no way in hell either man could handle the reality of living at the bottom.

Exactly my point. Although I think it would take longer than a week. The kids could act like real humans that long. After about a month, even the best kid's horns couldn't help but push out.
I think they should have to handle a two year old (but only if they are in the middle of potty training), a 11 or 12 year old (preferably a male with puberty, of course a female with puberty could be a real hoot also, but maybe too cruel) and a seventeen year old, HA, HA, boy would that be a riot!
Ya' gotta' love 'em. I don't understand why my hair isn't gray yet.

To Sekihou Tai

"Again, all of this is coming from a twelve year old girl in New Jersey that just felt like stating her opinion for the first time on this forum."

I mean my comments as no insult to you. As I stated earlier, I'm the mother of 6 boys. I love them all dearly, but there are certain times in growing up that are a trial for the child and the parents.

I think it is a shame you haven't let your vote count. I realize you may not feel completely comfortable with the choices and it would be great to have a vote for "none of the above", but we all need to be counted.
We would probably have better choices if it weren't for the **** the canidates families have to go through from slander and digging up old skeletons that have rotted with time (your great great grandmother once did this and that so you are not fit... Fifty-two years ago you jay walked, so you are not fit...). Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could just vote for someone because of the leadership ability and their thoughts on right from wrong? Unfortunately, the best leader would probably never run, because the best leader is probably also the leader of a family he cares about and how can you be a good leader and place your loved ones in a hellish situation?
irish, let me welcome you to the general forum. i sure hope you dont get flamed off the site, you are a breath of reason that we sorely need.

And one more thing; I don't see how Kerry being pro-women's choice makes him a bad Catholic (or is it Christian?). Although this whole post is coming from a half Atheist, half Catholic (Its kinda my own religion...I believe in a God, but not in Jesus, and Mary, et cetera. Oh, but I do believe in angels.) The church shouldn't have said anything about it. Kerry's beliefs should have nothing to do with "good" Catholic or Christianism.
Catholics are Christian. If you read the official Catholic stance or the Pope's comments on abortion you'd understand. I don't understand why you don't think the churhc should have said anything about it. To them, abortion is another thing that the world needs to be rid of, like the death penalty or euthanasia.

Exactly my point. Although I think it would take longer than a week. The kids could act like real humans that long. After about a month, even the best kid's horns couldn't help but push out.
I think they should have to handle a two year old (but only if they are in the middle of potty training), a 11 or 12 year old (preferably a male with puberty, of course a female with puberty could be a real hoot also, but maybe too cruel) and a seventeen year old, HA, HA, boy would that be a riot!
Ya' gotta' love 'em. I don't understand why my hair isn't gray yet.


Yes, that would be a laugh...in fact, I think I could fit the role of a twelve year old girl pretty well...send me to go live with Kerry!!!! I'll drive him insane for all of you. -grows horns-

Catholics are Christian. If you read the official Catholic stance or the Pope's comments on abortion you'd understand. I don't understand why you don't think the churhc should have said anything about it. To them, abortion is another thing that the world needs to be rid of, like the death penalty or euthanasia.

Yeah? Well, people are always saying "I'm not Catholic, I'm Christian!" or vice versa. Guess there isn't a difference...thanks for clarifying.

And I simply don't think the church should have gotten involved, since there's a general seperation of church and state. Sure, this has nothing to do with states, but it is politics!

Exactly my point. Although I think it would take longer than a week. The kids could act like real humans that long. After about a month, even the best kid's horns couldn't help but push out.
I think they should have to handle a two year old (but only if they are in the middle of potty training), a 11 or 12 year old (preferably a male with puberty, of course a female with puberty could be a real hoot also, but maybe too cruel) and a seventeen year old, HA, HA, boy would that be a riot!
Ya' gotta' love 'em. I don't understand why my hair isn't gray yet.
oh good lord why not have them work out universal field theory at the same time??
hahahaha
i had to watch my nephew's 2 year old for a couple hours the other day. i was EXHAUSTED at the end and the kid was well behaved!

To Sekihou Tai

"Again, all of this is coming from a twelve year old girl in New Jersey that just felt like stating her opinion for the first time on this forum."

I mean my comments as no insult to you. As I stated earlier, I'm the mother of 6 boys. I love them all dearly, but there are certain times in growing up that are a trial for the child and the parents.

No, no offense taken!!! I know what I'm like, and I know I can be a pain in the -cough- arse -cough- to my beloved (questionable? Na, just kidding.) parents.

Yes, that would be a laugh...in fact, I think I could fit the role of a twelve year old girl pretty well...send me to go live with Kerry!!!! I'll drive him insane for all of you. -grows horns-

Okay, you're cool. I think you are probably a pretty good kid.

nooo im not gonna call you names. yeahhhh everyone should have the right to vote. thats why this guy was wishing it could be done just for a little while. its not a serious proposal

but

you look at other countries and how they have all this great stuff like good schools, free university, universal health care. then one day you look ^^UP^^ and realize just why we dont have them here.

and it makes you wish things that arent really right.
lol I was just playing devils advocate countering your post about denying men the right to vote.

Gander/Goose sort of thing, don't ya know.

Okay, you're cool. I think you are probably a pretty good kid.

-grin- I *usually* am. Usually...now, where's the adoption contract?

irish, let me welcome you to the general forum. i sure hope you dont get flamed off the site, you are a breath of reason that we sorely need.
Thank you!
I think I better get off this site for now, I don't want to get "flamed off"!

Yeah? Well, people are always saying "I'm not Catholic, I'm Christian!" or vice versa. Guess there isn't a difference...thanks for clarifying.

And I simply don't think the church should have gotten involved, since there's a general seperation of church and state. Sure, this has nothing to do with states, but it is politics!
There is a difference. Its like squares and rectangles. Catholics are Christians but Christians don't have to be Catholic.

And the Church has held its stance on abortion long before the US even existed. Back in 1588 Sixtus V put out a canon that imposed the penalty of excommunication for abortion. Abortion became a political issue long after the church was involved in it.

There is a difference. Its like squares and rectangles. Catholics are Christians but Christians don't have to be Catholic.

And the Church has held its stance on abortion long before the US even existed. Back in 1588 Sixtus V put out a canon that imposed the penalty of excommunication for abortion. Abortion became a political issue long after the church was involved in it.

I knew there was SOME kind of difference...thanks, again, for clarifying.

And yes, the church has always been against abortion...I personally don't think there's much life in a fetus two months old. I can see why abortion would be cruel at six months and later, because...well, it IS a life-form at that age.

-grin- I *usually* am. Usually...now, where's the adoption contract?
Oops, you must have missed the comment I made about having ALL BOYS. I'm the only queen in this castle (that I know about)! We are going to keep it that way for awhile! I finally am at the point where they getting old enough to LEAVE the nest. Only part-timers (future grandkids, that I can spoil and send home to get even with my kids) allowed at this point.

lol I was just playing devils advocate countering your post about denying men the right to vote.

Gander/Goose sort of thing, don't ya know.
oh i hope i didnt offend you, im just in a wicked good mood this morning so im tweaking people.
im going on vacation tomorrow!

In this country we are now into the 4th generation of families that have lived on the welfare system.....Welfare has become a career in the US. What happened to the idea that it was to help you through the rough spots until you could take care of yourself?
I agree with this. That's the sort of welfare system (the latter sentence) that should be in place. What I don't understand is why you vote for politicians that choose to cut the welfare system entirely.

And the bad apples of the liberals are called John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. If we followed their plans we would have a socialist government with Michael Moore as chief advisor. <shudder>
Funny joke.

not

well if pussy (such an evocative term) means "voting like a woman"
way more women than men are voting for kerry. so i guess he's right

there was an editorial in the newspaper last week wishing that we could deny men the vote for just a few years so we could get some stuff DONE. without the (stereotypical) male vote dragging us down we would HAVE good schools, we would HAVE universal health care, we would have ALL those things that men think are impossible.
Well, the modern Republican platform is about 70% testosterone-based, so it's not surprising! ;)

I am admittedly a Bush voter, but I've gotten in arguments with dudes who shriek out "Fuck Kerry" about civility.
Why vote Bush? He's against the free market and Milton Friedman is against him.

Voting for Kerry doesn't make a pussy per se.
But democrats ARE 60% more likely to be metrosexual pussies on average.
Think about it.
Pro abortion, less out of true belief than to simply to keep women voting for them. (and let's face it, a pro-lifer just isn't getting laid in democratic circles)
Anti-gun, because they're just not nescessary. They'd never need one since they would roll over like trained poodles to an over-zealous government, even if it were right-wing. The women and blacks would be more likely to rise up in violent opposition than the white men of the party.
Anti-war, because in most cases, their professor told them it was bad. They crave to live or (re-live) the Vietnam protest glory days. 60's hippie wannabes. Make love, not war....phhht! The opposition to the war on terror is more about reliving the 60's than about substance for a significant portion of them.
Democratic Union Steel Workers? Probably not pussies.
Democratic College student/protestors? Pussies to a man, sorry.
How do you know that pro-choice isn't a true belief? Maybe they believe in freedom?

No, conservatives roll over to the government, while lefties protest on the streets.

Many anti-Iraq-war protestor weren't even alive in the 60s. They're standing up for their beliefs, so they're not pussies.

Oops, you must have missed the comment I made about having ALL BOYS. I'm the only queen in this castle (that I know about)! We are going to keep it that way for awhile! I finally am at the point where they getting old enough to LEAVE the nest. Only part-timers (future grandkids, that I can spoil and send home to get even with my kids) allowed at this point.

Being queen is good! Geez, six boys...have fun spoiling your future grandkids!!! I never had anyone to spoil me...I feel denied the rights to ultimate spoilage...

I agree with this. That's the sort of welfare system (the latter sentence) that should be in place. What I don't understand is why you vote for politicians that choose to cut the welfare system entirely.


Funny joke.

not


Well, the modern Republican platform is about 70% testosterone-based, so it's not surprising! ;)


Why vote Bush? He's against the free market and Milton Friedman is against him.


How do you know that pro-choice isn't a true belief? Maybe they believe in freedom?

No, conservatives roll over to the government, while lefties protest on the streets.

Many anti-Iraq-war protestor weren't even alive in the 60s. They're standing up for their beliefs, so they're not pussies.

Go siljhouettes! And yes, 70% of Republicans do seem rather testosterone-driven, don't they! I also think pro-choice IS a true belief; it certainly is for me.

lets be real..no one really likes kerry except for diehard liberals..the rest of the people who will be voting for him on tuesday simply hate bush. like me.
I think Kerry actually appeals more to the conservative/moderate Democrats than the liberal left.

I think Kerry actually appeals more to the conservative/moderate Democrats than the liberal left.

Hm...well, its true I don't think America could survive four more years of Bush, but I do like Kerry for his ideals. Not as much as I hate Bush, though.

Go siljhouettes! And yes, 70% of Republicans do seem rather testosterone-driven, don't they!
Yeah, it's all "America should do whatever the hell we want! Fuck the world and libruls!" I'm not American so this kind of jingoism scares the hell out of me. The US appears to be rapidly growing a radical nationalist movement that could turn fascist if Bush is re-elected.

Yeah, it's all "America should do whatever the hell we want! Fuck the world and libruls!" I'm not American so this kind of jingoism scares the hell out of me. The US appears to be rapidly growing a radical nationalist movement that could turn fascist if Bush is re-elected.


-gives you the medal of...foreign intelligence- Thank you!

Yes, America could turn fasicst if Bush comes back for four more years. He's ignored the UN, and almost any allies, driving them all away. We are alone in Iraq, hated by all, and in complete chaos.

I think it is a shame you haven't let your vote count. I realize you may not feel completely comfortable with the choices and it would be great to have a vote for "none of the above", but we all need to be counted.
We would probably have better choices if it weren't for the **** the canidates families have to go through from slander and digging up old skeletons that have rotted with time (your great great grandmother once did this and that so you are not fit... Fifty-two years ago you jay walked, so you are not fit...). Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could just vote for someone because of the leadership ability and their thoughts on right from wrong? Unfortunately, the best leader would probably never run, because the best leader is probably also the leader of a family he cares about and how can you be a good leader and place your loved ones in a hellish situation?

I beg to differ.
My vote does count.
If I was to suggest that people who voted "not bush" or "Not Kerry' were wasting their vote, I would be scoffed at. because we're trained to think it must be a Republican or Democrat. Sure, one of those 2 is going to win this election, and not because they have been so uprigth honest and capable, but because most people "think" that's their choice. Nader only gets coverage because he's blamed for Gore's loss in 2000. His platform isn't covered. (by the way, Gore lost his home state! that's pathetic.) Anybody heard anything about the green party on the news this year?
in one of these elections a reform party, green party or some other party i can agree with may get 5% of the vote again and be eligible for presidential election campaign funds and actually be able to get a message out to the country.
Change only comes with thinking differently. the same old 'bought by large donors' ideas gets us more of the same. The same bogus campaign financing laws; the same ballot access laws; the same uninspired, half-hearted ideas, because the same big donors put money in both campaign coffers.
What good is the Federal election committee if it is made up of 3 republicans and 3 democrats. The fox is guarding the hen house.
If you don't like your choices, i submit, you are wasting your vote by using it to perpetuate the same choices.

I beg to differ.
My vote does count.
If I was to suggest that people who voted "not bush" or "Not Kerry' were wasting their vote, I would be scoffed at. because we're trained to think it must be a Republican or Democrat. Sure, one of those 2 is going to win this election, and not because they have been so uprigth honest and capable, but because most people "think" that's their choice. Nader only gets coverage because he's blamed for Gore's loss in 2000. His platform isn't covered. (by the way, Gore lost his home state! that's pathetic.) Anybody heard anything about the green party on the news this year?
in one of these elections a reform party, green party or some other party i can agree with may get 5% of the vote again and be eligible for presidential election campaign funds and actually be able to get a message out to the country.
Change only comes with thinking differently. the same old 'bought by large donors' ideas gets us more of the same. The same bogus campaign financing laws; the same ballot access laws; the same uninspired, half-hearted ideas, because the same big donors put money in both campaign coffers.
What good is the Federal election committee if it is made up of 3 republicans and 3 democrats. The fox is guarding the hen house.
If you don't like your choices, i submit, you are wasting your vote by using it to perpetuate the same choices.

Sorry to disagree, but I think all of us should vote, regardless. There has to be something about either candidate you agree with. Every voice should be heard. Every voice should count. Every vote should count.

Well, the Republican party has spent most of the past decade characterising liberals as weak and effeminate, so it's not surprising that he thinks this.

P.S. conservative =/= Republican

ergo Republican =/= Retarded Jackass

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ergo Republican =/= Retarded Jackass

-dies laughing- Well, thats one side you can take.
Quick question...was ergo a typo? If not, what does it mean?

Sorry to disagree, but I think all of us should vote, regardless. There has to be something about either candidate you agree with. Every voice should be heard. Every voice should count. Every vote should count.


OH! But i do vote. I haven't missed so much as a local school board vote in 22 years.

OH! But i do vote. I haven't missed so much as a local school board vote in 22 years.

Well, I wasn't directing the "you should all vote" to you precisely...it was directed to people in general.

And congratulations on your 22 year record. :eek:

who are the "girly men"

>> Military Service...
>>
>> Democrats
>> * Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
>> * David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
>> * Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
>> * Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan.
>> 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
>> * Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
>> * Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
>> * John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze
>> Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts.
>> * Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
>> * Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star &Bronze Star,
>> Vietnam.
>> * Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
>> * Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
>> * Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
>> * Fritz Hollings: Army of ficer in WWII; Bronze Star
>> and seven campaign ribbons.
>> * Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam,
>> DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier`s Medal.
>> * Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple
>> Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
>> * Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
>> * Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in
>> Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
>> * Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
>> * Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
>> * Chuck Robb: Vietnam
>> * Howell Heflin: Silver Star
>> * George McGovern: Silver Star &DFC during WWII.
>> * Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments.
>> Entered draft but received #311.
>> * Jimmy Carter: Annapolis graduate, skippered nuke sub, seven years
>> in
>> the Navy.
>> * Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
>> * John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18
>> Clusters.
>> * Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.
>> Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
the 'girly men'

>> Republicans
>> * Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
>> * Tom Delay: did not serve.
>> * Roy Blunt: did not serve.
>> * Bill Frist: did not serve.
>> * Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
>> * Rick Santorum: did not serve.
>> * Trent Lott: did not serve.
> >> * Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by
> >> marriage.
> >> * John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
> >> * Jeb Bush: did not serve.
>> * Karl Rove: did not serve.
>> * Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man
>> who attacked Cleland`s patriotism.
>> * Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
>> * Vin Weber: did not serve.
>> * Richard Perle: did not serve.
>> * Douglas Feith: did not serve.
>> * Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
>> * Richard Shelby: did not serve.
>> * Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
>> * Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
>> * Christopher Cox: did not serve.
>> * Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
>> * Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
>> * George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year
>> National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could
>> campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate;
> >> failed to show up for required medical exam,
>> disappeared from duty.
>> * Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role
>> making movies.
>> * B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in
>> Korea.
>> * Phil Gramm: did not serve.
>> * John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit,
>> Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
>> * Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
>> * John M. McHugh: did n ot serve.
>> * JC Watts: did not serve.
>> * Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued
>> playing in the NFL for 8 years.
>> * Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
> > * Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
>> * George Pataki: did not serve.
>> * Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
>> * John Engler: did not serve.
>> * Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
>> * Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
>>
>> Pundits &Preachers
>> * Sean Hannity: did not serve.
>> * Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a `pilonidal cyst.`)
>> * Bill O`Reilly: did not serve.
>> * Michael Savage: did not serve.
>> * George Will: did not serve.
>> * Chris Matthews: did not serve.
>> * Paul Gigot: did not serve.
>> * Bill Bennett: did not serve.
>> * Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
>> * John Wayne: did not serve.
>> * Bill Kristol: did not serve.
>> * Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
>> * Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
>> * Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
>> * Ralph Reed: did not serve.
>> * Michael Medved: did not serve.
>> * Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
>> * Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don`t
>> shoot back.)

We already had the cherrypicked list yesterday. Do the counting yourself, more Republicans than Democrats have served in the military in both the House and Senate, although by a very small margin in the Senate.

http://www.fra.org/leg-center-2/108th-congress/military-members.html

Well, I wasn't directing the "you should all vote" to you precisely...it was directed to people in general.

And congratulations on your 22 year record. :eek:




thank you.

If you don't like your choices, i submit, you are wasting your vote by using it to perpetuate the same choices.
i utterly agree with you
if you dont like either major candidate (or dont hate one so much more than the other that you will vote "not him" ) the you should STILL vote

those 3rd party votes ARE noticed by the big 2. they ARE noticed by the press. if enough people voted ..... oh lets say GREEN.... then not only would the green party qualify for federal money next time around but the big 2 would start wondering if they dont need to start supporting more 'green' causes.

its a very powerful statement when an american can drag his ass down to the polls just to vote for someone he knows wont win.

i utterly agree with you
if you dont like either major candidate (or dont hate one so much more than the other that you will vote "not him" ) the you should STILL vote

those 3rd party votes ARE noticed by the big 2. they ARE noticed by the press. if enough people voted ..... oh lets say GREEN.... then not only would the green party qualify for federal money next time around but the big 2 would start wondering if they dont need to start supporting more 'green' causes.

its a very powerful statement when an american can drag his ass down to the polls just to vote for someone he knows wont win.


(To the last paragraph): Yeah, it says alot about the person's ideals.

[QUOTE=Kwangistar]We already had the cherrypicked list yesterday. Do the counting yourself, more Republicans than Democrats have served in the military in both the House and Senate, although by a very small margin in the Senate.



that doesn't make Democrats 'girly men' though

that doesn't make Democrats 'girly men' though
It dosen't. It makes your list not worth reading.

-gives you the medal of...foreign intelligence- Thank you!

Yes, America could turn fasicst if Bush comes back for four more years. He's ignored the UN, and almost any allies, driving them all away. We are alone in Iraq, hated by all, and in complete chaos.

And this is how Bush acts when he knows he has to run for re-election. Imagine what a loonie he'll turn into if he knows that he doesn't need to worry about our votes again.

Voting for Kerry doesn't make a pussy per se.
But democrats ARE 60% more likely to be metrosexual pussies on average...

...Democratic Union Steel Workers? Probably not pussies.
Democratic College student/protestors? Pussies to a man, sorry.

As a college Democrat, this is the sort of ignorant stupidity that makes me wish that we still had duelling as a form of civil justice. It would only be appropriate in certain cases such as anyone trying to bring the other person's character into a debate, legal or public. In situations like that you should be allowed to challenge them to a duel and you can't be prosecuted if you kill them. It would apply to all cases now covered by slander or libel. The challenged party can either offer an apology and pay the challenger off (proving themselves to be the coward) or they gotta "step up." Republicans wouldn't be so quick to accuse people of not having virtues that aren't demonstrable if they knew that they could be called upon to demonstrate them themselves.

Let's give it a try. I predict that by the end of the year Bill o'Reily, Sean Hannity, and half of the Republican Congressmen will be dead. Not that they'd be inferior duelists, hell as the challenged party they'd probably get choice of weapons nine times out of ten, but they'd have to be lucky each time. They throw around a lot of inflammatory speech that they've written legislation against responding to.

With CNN's recent polls in battle ground states I have Bush up 281 to 257. Kerry must win Flordia or the combo of Wisconsin and Minnesota to win the election, but if he doesn't manage to do that the day Bush grows a mustache (dictator trademark) is the day i get the hell out of here.

(To the last paragraph): Yeah, it says alot about the person's ideals.

That's not all it does. It tells the candidate who is most like, but still completly unlike, the third party candidate that he will pick up more votes if he moves a little more in his parties direction. Unfortunatly most right wingers don't pay attention to the prohibition party, the ultra-Christian "Constitution Party," or the America First party. If they did then I would be perfectly happy to have left wing splinter groups, unfortunatly all they do now is split up progressives and give regressives a free ride.

"How do we know you aren't a pussy?"

I may or may not be a pussy, that is all relative. Maybe someday we will meet and find out. However, my being a pussy has absolutely nothing to do with who I vote for. In fact somebody who stands up for their beliefs as much as I do takes a great deal of offense to someone calling me a pussy

"ergo Republican =/= Retarded Jackass"

Way to go, moron. I come on here trying to get people to realize that name calling and generalizations should not be used when discussing politics and values, and you tarnish my side of the argument, too. Fucking Brilliant. How about we call a few more republicans stupid, that should accomplish a lot.

And posting lists about who served in the military proves nothing as there are alot of jackasses who have served in the military, and a lot of noble, strong men who didn't. My dad's father served in the Air Force through two wars, and my mom's father was a farmer and family man that never served in the military. Which one is the stronger man, I don't know, but military service has nothing to do with either's character. This list is just another example of people using politics to define people as weak or strong, and doesn't belong in a civilized discussion.

Hm...well, its true I don't think America could survive four more years of Bush, but I do like Kerry for his ideals. Not as much as I hate Bush, though.

Alright, somebody who doesn't bring up the lesser of two evils, I also am voting for Kerry because I like his ideals.

I think the fact so many democrats say they don't like Kerry but are voting for him anyway is a key reason why we get labeled pussies.

Look at these sites:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/02/02_400.html
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/24130/story.htm

If you like what you see, support Kerry, don't call him the lesser of two evils, and maybe then some conservatives will believe we have a backbone.

Nah, that was just a brainwashed Republican. ^^ Democrats aren't pussies, they just believe different things that the Republicans do.

nooo im not gonna call you names. yeahhhh everyone should have the right to vote. thats why this guy was wishing it could be done just for a little while. its not a serious proposal


Really, hmm, that's the first time I haven't gotten that from someone who's brought that topic up.




you look at other countries and how they have all this great stuff like good schools, free university, universal health care. then one day you look ^^UP^^ and realize just why we dont have them here.

and it makes you wish things that arent really right.

It depends upon your point of view, because I don't see universal healthcare and free Uni as that good of things (and I go to a Uni, Ohio State to be exact). These things are *nice* but not good. Just like it's *nice* to have no swearing in public, but not good. It's *nice* to not have a police force or military, but it isn't good because chaos would ensue.

And seeing as I am a product of the US public education system, I don't find it to be in all that much trouble, there are problems with some teachers, but not with the system.

Really, hmm, that's the first time I haven't gotten that from someone who's brought that topic up.




It depends upon your point of view, because I don't see universal healthcare and free Uni as that good of things (and I go to a Uni, Ohio State to be exact). These things are *nice* but not good. Just like it's *nice* to have no swearing in public, but not good. It's *nice* to not have a police force or military, but it isn't good because chaos would ensue.

And seeing as I am a product of the US public education system, I don't find it to be in all that much trouble, there are problems with some teachers, but not with the system.

I disagree. Its good to have univerdal healthcare, not just nice.
Its not good or nice to be done with military.
Its good to have no swearing in public. Keeps people from being pricks and makes them be using reason when speaking.

I'm voting for Kerry because I like his ideals. I can hardly believe there are those that are voting for him to spite Bush. Sure Bush scares me with his lies and getting away with it but that ismn't a good enough reason to spite him. You should learn to like your candidate. After all, he will be the President for 4 years!

Being a pussy would be weird, so which woman are you attached to?

Yeah they're serious. They're seriously intimidated by the fact that someone could have a different point of view, so they try to discourage as many democrats from voting as possible. If the RNC is doing that in their fashion, if follows that this is how intimidation manifests on a personal level. They're bullies and they are afraid of our vote, afraid of minorities and afraid of having a real debate.

-gives you the medal of...foreign intelligence- Thank you!

Yes, America could turn fasicst if Bush comes back for four more years. He's ignored the UN, and almost any allies, driving them all away. We are alone in Iraq, hated by all, and in complete chaos.
Thanks for the medal. Let me clarify. I don't think that Bush will ever be a dictator. But I think that after four more years of him, a sizeable chunk of the US population will be ready for a nationalist, fascist dictator.

We already had the cherrypicked list yesterday. Do the counting yourself, more Republicans than Democrats have served in the military in both the House and Senate, although by a very small margin in the Senate.

http://www.fra.org/leg-center-2/108th-congress/military-members.html
I'm not American, but it never ceases to amaze me how 'war records' are such a big issue over there. If a politician (UK) attempted to play on his war record over here, It'd likely do him far more harm than good.