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Those bastards were the reason why Germany was put on a harsh peace treaty in 1919(Versailles Treaty) they put all the blame for the war on germans even though it was the serbians who drew the first blood in the ww1 conflict as well as forcing the germans to pay a heavy war debt which put the german economy in ruin which contributed to all the poverty in the nation which resulted in the Nazi Party's rise to power. So in my opinion the german invasion of france in 1940 was completly justified. The French gave a harsh peace treaty to germany out of spite which in turn ruined the lives of millions of people in central europe and as a result got an ass whopping in 1940(i see nothing wrong with that whatsoever) now i know some might say "but the germans committed attrocities in france blah blah blah" well i say tough shit, if they werent such bastards to the germans in 1919 then nothing would have happened to them in 1940.

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Those bastards were the reason why Germany was put on a harsh peace treaty in 1919(Versailles Treaty) they put all the blame for the war on germans even though it was the serbians who drew the first blood in the ww1 conflict as well as forcing the germans to pay a heavy war debt which put the german economy in ruin which contributed to all the poverty in the nation which resulted in the Nazi Party's rise to power. So in my opinion the german invasion of france in 1940 was completly justified. The French gave a harsh peace treaty to germany out of spite which in turn ruined the lives of millions of people in central europe and as a result got an ass whopping in 1940(i see nothing wrong with that whatsoever) now i know some might say "but the germans committed attrocities in france blah blah blah" well i say tough shit, if they werent such bastards to the germans in 1919 then nothing would have happened to them in 1940.

It's a well established fact that Germans are evil. Now, if I were you, I would worry more about readmission to the human race for the Germans, than whether or not France got what it deserved.

It's a well established fact that Germans are evil. Now, if I were you, I would worry more about readmission to the human race for the Germans, than whether or not France got what it deserved.
But...but...Germany gave us Hamburger's! And above-average automobiles!

Well, the French wanted revenge, and obviously picked on the wrong people, but the reason they were overrun in World War II wasn't the Treaty of Versailles. They built up the Maginot Line to block Germany's traditional attack through Belgium via the mainland. Germany simply went around it and invaded. The French are not exactly great strategists, and the Maginot line is one of several strategic errors in French history.

It wasn't as insane as their use of élan, though. The concept of élan was that the French would come to battle in bright blue coats with red pants and awe the Germans with their battle spirit, rendering them unable to fight. The only way the Germans could possibly have been unable to fight was if they were laughing too hard to fight, in the words of a friend of mine.

I don't feel sorry for the French either. Neither did Roosevelt, Churchill, Patton, Montgomery, etc.
Where am I going with this? The French got what they deserved. Their tactics, weapons, and commanders were all subpar. De Gaulle was considered by the rest of the allies to be a pompous bastahd.
And that was the third time in sixty years that they had been overrun by the Germans.

But...but...Germany gave us Hamburger's! And above-average automobiles!

Actually no. Not hamburgers. That's Russian. It just became popularized in hamburg.

As to their autos, it's a mixed bag.

They did give us WWI, WWII and the holocaust, so go ahead and feel bad if you want.

I don't feel sorry for the French either. Neither did Roosevelt, Churchill, Patton, Montgomery, etc.
Where am I going with this? The French got what they deserved. Their tactics, weapons, and commanders were all subpar. De Gaulle was considered by the rest of the allies to be a pompous bastahd.
And that was the third time in sixty years that they had been overrun by the Germans.

Churchill did feel bad for the French, as did Patton etc.

No-one liked DeGaulle however. Sometimes the french premier can be an ass. Doesn't mean that the french got what they deserved.

But...but...Germany gave us Hamburger's! And above-average automobiles!

Hot dogs, too.

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Haha, it´s funny to hear americans talking about the ww2, because they never ever had it in their land.
I´m a german and no, im not evil. I know of versailles and this stuff, leading to a regime of the nazis. But....
that justifies nothing. This don´t justifies a war, this don´t justifies killing of so many frenchs.
Btw: the versailles stuff was already stopped before Hitler became the power.

Eh hungary guy.. You put the argument as if Germany was a 'casualty' of WW1, as if they didnt want the war anyway. Let's go back to 1914: Before the Austro-Hungarian empire declared war on Serbia, they recieved a 'carte blanche' from Germany. That means that Germany would support the Austro-Hungarians whatever war they would start. Without that backing WW1 couldnt have started: The Austro-Hungarian empire wouldnt even try to go alone against Serbia and it's allies Russia and France. So in fact Germany had a major role in starting WW1.

Secondly, the Versailles treaty was not unjust. The heavy war debt was meant to prevent Germany from ever being able to start a war again (if you don't agree that Germany started WW1, look at the text above). Wouldnt you want that kind of guarantee if a country has attacked you several times before?

The French gave a harsh peace treaty to germany out of spite which in turn ruined the lives of millions of people in central europe and as a result got an ass whopping in 1940

You can't possibly accuse the French of ruining the lives of central european ppl. Where's the causality between France imposing war debt, and Germany (with Hungary as ally by the way) attacking central europe??

The idea that Germany had a right to attack other countries because of the Versailles treaty was one of Hitlers main arguments. Don't fall for it, like those poor sheep did in 1933.

To some extent we have to say what's done is done... However,

If France and England had attacked Germany to from the west when Poland was being invaded (and/or did not give up Czechoslovakia) then they could have finished the war within a year.

Germany had moved all their big guns to the east knowing they could rely on France sticking to its static defenses, and it worked. A two front war would have put Germany in a tough spot early on.

However, while the French did treat Germany much too harshly in the treaty of Versaille (Germany got shafted) they did this more out of fear than hatred, they wanted to prevent Germany from having the ability to attack.

However, if Stalin had not allied with Hitler to divy up Poland, and had he not trusted Hitler so much the war would have also most likely ended quicker. In fact there might not have been a war.

However, who knows what could have happened there are a lot of what ifs, and the truth of the matter is any of these what ifs could have made things in the world worse, believe it or not.

Oh yeah to make it clear what my stance is.

Germany was not entirely at fault for WWI.

Germany was entirely at fault for WWII, although if the Allies had responded better it may have never happened. Not only that there is no way you can excuse German exesses, they went out of there way to kill civillians.

Those bastards were the reason why Germany was put on a harsh peace treaty in 1919(Versailles Treaty) they put all the blame for the war on germans even though it was the serbians who drew the first blood in the ww1 conflict as well as forcing the germans to pay a heavy war debt which put the german economy in ruin which contributed to all the poverty in the nation which resulted in the Nazi Party's rise to power. So in my opinion the german invasion of france in 1940 was completly justified. The French gave a harsh peace treaty to germany out of spite which in turn ruined the lives of millions of people in central europe and as a result got an ass whopping in 1940(i see nothing wrong with that whatsoever) now i know some might say "but the germans committed attrocities in france blah blah blah" well i say tough shit, if they werent such bastards to the germans in 1919 then nothing would have happened to them in 1940.
You must remember that in WW1 1.3 million French people were killed and large parts of northern France were completely destroyed. It's not surprising that they wanted to impose a harsh treaty. I agree that destroying the German economy was a terrible thing to do, and France was without compassion or foresight, and very stubborn up until the 1930s.

Also remember that a lot of French people wanted to give the Germans a harsh treaty in revenge for the harsh treaty of 1871 when Germany defeated France in Bismark's war.

You can't dismiss international political problems with "uhh tough shit". Typical American.

Churchill did feel bad for the French, as did Patton etc.

No-one liked DeGaulle however. Sometimes the french premier can be an ass. Doesn't mean that the french got what they deserved.
Yeah, De Gaulle was totally pompous. I nominated him for "ost Arrogant Person in History" in that thread.

Are you sure Patton felt sorry for the French? He hated them, he felt sorry for the Nazis. He always said that America fought on the wrong side in WW2. The Fascist.

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