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...when they're so obviously unfair, violent, pointless and wrong? Anyone who can think at all realizes hatred is bad, let alone for something as ridiculous as skin colour or racial purity. Who cares? I mean how can that matter in the slightest? Please explain to me what could possibly be 'gained' by any of it.

...when they're so obviously unfair, violent, pointless and wrong? Anyone who can think at all realizes hatred is bad, let alone for something as ridiculous as skin colour or racial purity. Who cares? I mean how can that matter in the slightest?


Racists are stupid people, they are not intelligent and not educated.

Racists are stupid people, they are not intelligent and not educated.
You know, I have met a couple of 'educated' ones, though. Ina all other regards they seemed to have some awareness, hell, one was even an avid musical historian; but then there was the "I hate everyone different than me
' part that seemed to fly right in the face of the rest of him. (Not many female racists, either... hhmmm?)

Racism, like other discrimination, is by nature irrational. Why is this irrational prejudice there? Who knows. I'm not a psychologist, but here are some guesses.

They believe that their way of life/job/culture is threatened by some "other."
They are insecure in their own identity.

Racism, like other discrimination, is by nature irrational. Why is this irrational prejudice there? Who knows. I'm not a psychologist, but here are some guesses.

They believe that their way of life/job/culture is threatened by some "other."
They are insecure in their own identity.
It's completely rational. People always fear difference. Racism exists because people feel the need to classify things, other races end up in the unknown category.

You know, I have met a couple of 'educated' ones, though. Ina all other regards they seemed to have some awareness, hell, one was even an avid musical historian; but then there was the "I hate everyone different than me
' part that seemed to fly right in the face of the rest of him. (Not many female racists, either... hhmmm?)

It is unfortunate that the educations these individuals recieved didnt take 8(

Devil's Advocate

There are differences between races that go deeper than skin color. Minorities will often readily admit this. Some studies show(1) that black people are, on average, genetically inferior (in terms of intelligence, primarily). It follows, then both that (A): given two seemingly-similar people, one white, one black, the black man is statistically more likely to be less suited for any task requiring intellect and (B): were all black people killed, the gene pool would be improved by lack of such a bad influence. So it is not that "racists" hate black people (and people of other minorities), they act only out of realism, and/or ambition for what the human race can become.


(1) Herrnstein, Richard and Murray, Charles. The Bell Curve. The Free Press, 1994.

[/Devil's Advocate]

Do I agree with racists? Of course not. However, I think that some racists have grounds for their beliefs that cannot be dismissed without some consideration.

It's completely rational. People always fear difference. Racism exists because people feel the need to classify things, other races end up in the unknown category.

I don't fear people who are different. Does that make me irrational?

And here we go: Should we feel the need to put people into neat little boxes anyway? (Anyone, feel free to tackle this question)

I don't fear people who are different. Does that make me irrational?

And here we go: Should we feel the need to put people into neat little boxes anyway? (Anyone, feel free to tackle this question)
No, it's just more typical of humans to distrust things they don't understand. You prefer eating foods you've tasted, sitting in chairs you've sat in, talking to people you've met, etc.

No, it's just more typical of humans to distrust things they don't understand. You prefer eating foods you've tasted, sitting in chairs you've sat in, talking to people you've met, etc.


I genuinely prefer eating food i've never tried before.

I genuinely prefer eating food i've never tried before.
Yes, but one exception does not a rule make. Statistically, when people go to a restaurant, they'll order something most similar to what they've most eaten.

[QUOTE=Igwanarno]Devil's Advocate
(1) Herrnstein, Richard and Murray, Charles. The Bell Curve. The Free Press, 1994.QUOTE]

Realize too, this book was published years before the genome was cracked open to reveal that all races are virtually identical on that scale.

I have a group of people that I call "The Enemy". These are those bigoted, slimy people who come up to you and start talking racist/sexist/bigoted rubbish to you in a confidential, conspiratorial tone of voice, as if they think that secretly you agree with them, you're just too chickenshit to come out and say so openly.

I can't stand it when I run into one. I can't understand why they think I'm one of their own.

My theory is that they honestly don't believe that there's anything wrong with their beliefs. In other words, it's a kind of mental illness.

I have a group of people that I call "The Enemy". These are those bigoted, slimy people who come up to you and start talking racist/sexist/bigoted rubbish to you in a confidential, conspiratorial tone of voice, as if they think that secretly you agree with them, you're just too chickenshit to come out and say so openly.

I can't stand it when I run into one. I can't understand why they think I'm one of their own.

My theory is that they honestly don't believe that there's anything wrong with their beliefs. In other words, it's a kind of mental illness.
/devil's advocate
If one race was inherently inferior, then their beliefs would be correct, and therefore you would be the one mentally ill. They believe that there are racial differences, you do not. The evidence is on their side: the highest earners are consistently white or asian, the highest test scores are consistently white or asian, the highest promoted people in a company are consistently white or asian, etc. /da

[QUOTE=Preebles]I don't fear people who are different. Does that make me irrational?QUOTE]

There are a couple of logical flaws in this deduction that basically make it incorrect to make. Just because a is c doesn't mean that -a cannot be c as well.

I have a group of people that I call "The Enemy". These are those bigoted, slimy people who come up to you and start talking racist/sexist/bigoted rubbish to you in a confidential, conspiratorial tone of voice, as if they think that secretly you agree with them, you're just too chickenshit to come out and say so openly.

I can't stand it when I run into one. I can't understand why they think I'm one of their own.

Are you white? :p My boyfriend gets that all that all the time too. He's white, so other people think it's ok to bitch about "Asians" or whatever in front of him.

And I too enjoy trying new foods.

Realize too, this book [The Bell Curve] was published years before the genome was cracked open to reveal that all races are virtually identical on that scale.

[Devil's Advocate] What can you possibly mean by that? Perhaps different races share 99.99% the same DNA, but there are clearly genetic differences. You aren't going to tell me that my skin is pale and hair light because of my upbringing. So unless scientists have identified the intelligence gene, or catalogued every single gene that differs between races and its function, "cracking open the genome" has no bearing on this argument. [/Devil's Advocate]

/devil's advocate
If one race was inherently inferior, then their beliefs would be correct, and therefore you would be the one mentally ill. They believe that there are racial differences, you do not. The evidence is on their side: the highest earners are consistently white or asian, the highest test scores are consistently white or asian, the highest promoted people in a company are consistently white or asian, etc. /da

Just because the patients are running the asylum doesn't make them sane.

And there are other differences racially; blacks tend to have larger builds, and retain more fat than whites, for example. There are differences between the races, on average, but that doesn't make one superior to another.

Just because the patients are running the asylum doesn't make them sane.
The point was that your argument doesn't hold up if there are differences between races. It's not a mental illness if they're right and you're wrong. The problem with racists is that they assume all people who belong to group X are Y, without evaluating individuals.

The point was that your argument doesn't hold up if there are differences between races. It's not a mental illness if they're right and you're wrong. The problem with racists is that they assume all people who belong to group X are Y, without evaluating individuals.

The point is, that argument doesn't hold up if there are differences between individuals. One person may have a tendency to fail at math or a talent for musical composition. That doesn't make them superior to the person who is very good with languages but can't keep their house clean.

I'd say most of the racists out there are trying to make all people who share the same skin color into the same person. Maybe because my skin is the same color as theirs, they think I'm the same as them. The same kind of person. I'd call that a mental illness, or maybe some kind of widely held neurological disorder. It doesn't seem to stop at race, though. It's like a tendency to over-generalization with paranoia..

[Devil's Advocate] What can you possibly mean by that? Perhaps different races share 99.99% the same DNA, but there are clearly genetic differences. You aren't going to tell me that my skin is pale and hair light because of my upbringing. So unless scientists have identified the intelligence gene, or catalogued every single gene that differs between races and its function, "cracking open the genome" has no bearing on this argument. [/Devil's Advocate]

Touche'

And there are other differences racially; blacks tend to have larger builds, and retain more fat than whites, for example. There are differences between the races, on average, but that doesn't make one superior to another.

So, you're saying that the races are different, but equal. Hmm. Or, if we turn to a dictionary to find a synonym to rephrase, your claim is that the races are "separate but equal." Why does that phrase sound familiar. . .?

So, you're saying that the races are different, but equal. Hmm. Or, if we turn to a dictionary to find a synonym to rephrase, your claim is that the races are "separate but equal." Why does that phrase sound familiar. .
I'm sure I've read somewhere that there are greater genetic differences within a particular race than between human "races."

So, you're saying that the races are different, but equal. Hmm. Or, if we turn to a dictionary to find a synonym to rephrase, your claim is that the races are "separate but equal." Why does that phrase sound familiar. . .?
I won't lie, I do believe that averages of various measurements exist between races. That's just reality. However, the smartest person I've ever known was Black, the fastest runner I know is white, and my friend who is worst at DDR is Asian. So I don't really don't think about what someone is "supposed" to be like, since by and large I get along with everyone, regardless of race or gender.

/devil's advocate
They believe that there are racial differences, you do not.

But more to the point: they believe that because there are racial differences, this makes some race(s) superior to others acrossed the board, thus makes it alright to treat the believed to be 'sub'races in ways that make them apparently regarded as even below some animals.

Sometimes I think the people I think of as the enemy use the "I'm joking", or the "devil's advocate" thing to test the water. Most of the time it's pretty plain how they really feel about it.

Well, I agree somehow with Igwanaro in the gene pool improvement. But then again, the white racists are irrational not because they want to "improve" the gene pool, but because they don't realize that all races can improve it. Of course, black people are less likely to do it, since they are not as smart as whites, or asians. But if white racists really want to improve the gene pool, not only they should let (in their views) live the smart black people, but they should encourage jews to breed, since jews are the smartest group, even smarter than the white people (that are not jews) and asians. That would really improve the gene pool. (In questions of smarts).

Yet, if we don't want to offend black people, or deprive them from being free to reproduce, maybe we should learn how to control genes really soon... That way we can artificially improve everyone's genes, and not have to worry about who to let breed (and who not to let).

Well, I agree somehow with Igwanaro in the gene pool improvement. But then again, the white racists are irrational not because they want to "improve" the gene pool, but because they don't realize that all races can improve it. Of course, black people are less likely to do it, since they are not as smart as whites, or asians. But if white racists really want to improve the gene pool, not only they should let (in their views) live the smart black people, but they should encourage jews to breed, since jews are the smartest group, even smarter than the white people (that are not jews) and asians. That would really improve the gene pool. (In questions of smarts).

Yet, if we don't want to offend black people, or deprive them from being free to reproduce, maybe we should learn how to control genes really soon... That way we can artificially improve everyone's genes, and not have to worry about who to let breed (and who not to let).

And....some of them just come out and say it. *sigh*

But more to the point: they believe that because there are racial differences, this makes some race(s) superior to others acrossed the board, thus makes it alright to treat the believed to be 'sub'races in ways that make them apparently regarded as even below some animals.
And that is wrong. And that's why this topic exists.

To answer the original queston about Rascists views, Everyone thinks their opinions are the right ones. even if they are slanted, or biased.

The difference between people are genetics, but those genetics are shaped by their environments. However, I feel, those differences are not enough to keep people apart. So what if one group of people can run faster or farther... so what if another group of people are smarter... it's how we as a people use our talents and skills. To end racisim, we need to remove all the things that keep us apart. Unfortunately, IMHO, that includes all thoses programs geared for specific Minorites. Keep reminding people of the differences, and racism will always be present.

My $.02

Racists believe their views are correct for the same reason everyone else believes their views are correct. People are stubborn and go with whatever belief makes the most sense to them...or whatever their parents or church indoctrinated them with, or whatever gets them more political power, etc. I know why I believe what i believe. Racists know why they believe what they believe...well, they should anyway. If they don't, it may be a form of mental illness or sheer incompetence.

Perhaps it's the result of too much racial purity. Their families suspected that nobody was as pure as they were, so they married only within it....

Inbred people have a tendency toward mental illness, y'know.

Inbred people have a tendency toward mental illness, y'know.
Also achondroplasia, polydactyly, haemophilia etc etc

Of course, black people are less likely to do it, since they are not as smart as whites, or asians.

Are the statistics on which this assertion is made proven to represent genetics, or could it have something (if it's actual) to do with environment and oppression?

Also achondroplasia, polydactyly, haemophilia etc etc

This doesn't mean that all inbred people will display every symptom, kiddies. I use as an example, the Rothschilds. They might be mentally ill, but they don't have six fingers to a hand. The russian imperial family had mental illness and haemophilia, but no extra fingers...mental illness seems to be more prevalent consistently than the physical signs of terminal inbreeding.

You can't use six fingers as an easy reference to pick out racists.

Inbred people have a tendency toward mental illness, y'know.

Just a note of interest on the side... Did you know that a brother and sister are far less likely to have a child with defects than a couple of cousins reproducing? It's because a brother and sister don't share parents who are physically related themselves, whereas cousins share one.

You can't use six fingers as an easy reference to pick out racists.
Awww. :p
And besides, not all inbred people are racists. Although if people are racist for long enough, all racist people will be very inbred. :p

Sometimes I think the people I think of as the enemy use the "I'm joking", or the "devil's advocate" thing to test the water. Most of the time it's pretty plain how they really feel about it.

Since I feel this may have been addressed to me, I'll respond.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

I won't lie, I've often been concerned that I'm somewhat racist. It makes me feel really bad. I put a fair bit of effort into not being racist. I believe that hate-mongering is a terrible thing, but I must admit (and everyone here who doesn't believe my arguments adequately refuted) that some racists have good arguments. It's an issue I struggle with.

Racists believe their views are correct for the same reason everyone else believes their views are correct.
This is a good argument for the quantum 'gooiness' of 'reality': A buddhist monk and a nazi skinhead can both exist in the same world and constantly experience things that support their personal world views always everyday.

Just a note of interest on the side... Did you know that a brother and sister are far less likely to have a child with defects than a couple of cousins reproducing? It's because a brother and sister don't share parents who are physically related themselves, whereas cousins share one.

That's interesting, because while most families who interbreed (and the medieval church) frown on brothers/sisters/fathers/daughters having children together, cousins are marginally acceptable.

Still, if it goes on within an extended family for long enough, it will result in a concentrated gene pool, with the bad traits amplified as much as any desireable ones. The Amish communities are an example of this. There are rare diseases which are now rearing their ugly heads among their children. Genetic ones.

I think this is the best argument against racism. Concentrating genes means including those not desired as much as those which are, and that's on a completely arbitrary set of standards. There is such a thing as swinging too far in a direction and ending up worse off. If anything, it would be a better thing for people to encourage genetic diversity. It could be the key to mankind's continuation as a species.

some racists have good arguments. It's an issue I struggle with.

A good argument on the surface doesn't mean a good argument into the core. Dig into them from different angles from which they are presented and they can quickly collapse under logic.

This is a good argument for the quantum 'gooiness' of 'reality': A buddhist monk and a nazi skinhead can both exist in the same world and constantly experience things that support their personal world views always everyday.

I more attribute it to socialization and varying viewpoints...two people can see the exact same thing and come up with exactly oppposite interpretations of it. This is why there is debate. I see government-run health care as a necessity, as I believe it's a government's job to take care of its people; another person may see it as government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. It happens all the time, just to varying degrees.

Since I feel this may have been addressed to me, I'll respond.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

I won't lie, I've often been concerned that I'm somewhat racist. It makes me feel really bad. I put a fair bit of effort into not being racist. I believe that hate-mongering is a terrible thing, but I must admit (and everyone here who doesn't believe my arguments adequately refuted) that some racists have good arguments. It's an issue I struggle with.

At least you think about it. You attempt to weigh the evidence. I wasn't calling you a racist. I was simply saying that in my experience, there have been racists who play devil's advocate to test your reaction, to see if you share their views.

I think this is the best argument against racism. Concentrating genes means including those not desired as much as those which are, and that's on a completely arbitrary set of standards. There is such a thing as swinging too far in a direction and ending up worse off. If anything, it would be a better thing for people to encourage genetic diversity. It could be the key to mankind's continuation as a species.

He** yes... You know, I've actually never considered this nuance. It makes great sense. Thanks for the insight.

...when they're so obviously unfair, violent, pointless and wrong? Anyone who can think at all realizes hatred is bad, let alone for something as ridiculous as skin colour or racial purity. Who cares? I mean how can that matter in the slightest? Please explain to me what could possibly be 'gained' by any of it.

They are brainwashed by other racist to belive that they are the best race. And that the other races are out to get them due to jelousy(SP?). Then they brain wash the next gen. and it goes on and on.

They are brainwashed by other racist to belive that they are the best race. And that the other races are out to get them due to jelousy(SP?). Then they brain wash the next gen. and it goes on and on.

I think it's the hallmark of a bigot to buy their self-worth at the expense of someone else through generalization. It gets mutated as it goes down the generations, but I think that the self-worth thing lies at the core of it.

I am not playing the Devil's Advocate here, but I am nonetheless questioning you.

you see it as OBVIOUSLY irrational, but I see it as fairly consistent with structures and nature of the Political Right. Therefore I am quite alarmed to the claim that racism can be reputed by its OBVIOUS, or OBJECTIVE traites. I think one needs to EXPERIENCE or to have EMPATHY of the experience of an oppressed or discriminated-against racial individual or racial group in order to appreciate the ethics of liberation and to embrace Humanity abover racial distinctions. Without such EXPERIENCE, any claim to OBVIOUS wisdom or OBJECTIVE cosmopolitanism or political correctness is quite hypocritical.

The political right, today the dominant political order and mainstream zeitgeist of North America, cannot convincingly claim that it has much empathy toward the racially discriminated, although its subscribers are of different skin colors, different faith and ethnic backgrounds.

The SYSTEM is itself racist and all its enlightened claims are useless.

I think it's the hallmark of a bigot to buy their self-worth at the expense of someone else through generalization.

You think coolly. (is that a word?)

Just a note of interest on the side... Did you know that a brother and sister are far less likely to have a child with defects than a couple of cousins reproducing? It's because a brother and sister don't share parents who are physically related themselves, whereas cousins share one.

I don't follow.

Cousins (first cousins, never removed) have one parent each who shares roughly half his/her genetic material with the other parent. Thus cousins share roughly 1/8 of their genetic material.
Siblings have one parent each (in the case of half-siblings) who is the same person. Full siblings share roughly 1/2 their genetic material.

I fail to see how the cross between two people whose parents are related is more likely to have problems than the cross between two people whose parents are the same.

I think one needs to EXPERIENCE or to have EMPATHY of the experience of an oppressed or discriminated-against racial individual or racial group in order to appreciate the ethics of liberation and to embrace Humanity abover racial distinctions. Without such EXPERIENCE, any claim to OBVIOUS wisdom or OBJECTIVE cosmopolitanism or political correctness is quite hypocritical.

Not sure who this is directed towards, but you seem to be confident they are not a member of a minority group. How so?

Racism, like other discrimination, is by nature irrational. Why is this irrational prejudice there? Who knows. I'm not a psychologist, but here are some guesses.

They believe that their way of life/job/culture is threatened by some "other."
They are insecure in their own identity.

I think you got somthing there. Because they always say things like, "Those (Insert racist name) are taking over. They are out breeading us. They are causing all the crime. If we don't stop inter-racial marriages there will not be a white race in the future."
And my two favarites, stated by the same person. "The mexicans are lazy and living off welfare." And then the same retard will say. "The mexican are coming in our country and taking all the jobs."
HOW THE HELL ARE THEY TAKING ALL OUR JOBS IF THEY ARE SO LAZY!?!

I don't follow.

Cousins (first cousins, never removed) have one parent each who shares roughly half his/her genetic material with the other parent. Thus cousins share roughly 1/8 of their genetic material.
Siblings have one parent each (in the case of half-siblings) who is the same person. Full siblings share roughly 1/2 their genetic material.

I fail to see how the cross between two people whose parents are related is more likely to have problems than the cross between two people whose parents are the same.

Sibling's parents are both from two different gene pools (both sets of Grams and gramps are not related at all, thus mom and dad are not). Cousins have one set of grams and gramps rather than two, see? So this actually makes them more genetically similar. The math is more complex than you are implying.

***OFFICIAL INTERNET DISCLAIMER OF SARCASM***
To answer to the relative remark of inferiority as espoused by the Devil's Advocate in here... I would state that statisticaly left-handed people are more prevalent in intellectual roles and less suceptible to genetic diseases and cancer... and therefore, given this fact, right-handed people should be exterminated on a long term scale to weed out the imperfections of the right-handed on the human race as a whole... :D

*** Only Left-Handed people are in their Right-mind ***

A clarification (without sources, sadly - maybe I'll post some links and cite my sources in a later post) to something I've been hearing: Blacks aren't as intelligent as whites or asians. This view has, in the last 10 years, been proven to be flat out wrong. The "studies" that proved the entire asians and whites smarter than blacks thing were conducted in third-world countries where learning conditions were quite adverse, in addition to the researches being at least a little biased. In recent years, in fact, many things have begun to prove the opposite - black people, when raised in a developed country with adequete learning facilities actually caught on to new concepts and did better on IQ tests than the white people did (See Guns, Germs, and Steel ... Woohoo! A source!). Quite simply put, race has absolutely no bearing on intelligence. Some physical aspects, yes (Kenyans are in fact built to run on average), but intellectual capabilities? Nope. Quite commonly, the illusion that black people are "less intelligent" than whites and asians is actually based on stereotypes and societal influnces. Black people are more likely to live in poverty thanks to a lingering racist influence felt across the Western world (a white person, for instance, is more likely to be paid well based on the stereotype of blacks being stupid), and this (a lack of propper schooling) serves to reinforce the illusion of them being "less intelligent." Sorry, but the racist arguments against them simply fail there. Anyways, my $0.02.

if you want to "experience" what it's like not being apart of the Ethnic Majority, move to Hawaii... Statisically, there is no Ethnic Majority here. I've had classmates from the mainland look around and feel intimidated because they were the only Haoles (Mainlanders) in the classroom, and some were surprised when they were accepted as friends by Hawaiians, Asians, Filipinoes, and other ethicalities quickly and easily.

Sibling's parents are both from two different gene pools (both sets of Grams and gramps are not related at all, thus mom and dad are not). Cousins have one set of grams and gramps rather than two, see? So this actually makes them more genetically similar. The math is more complex than you are implying.

I'm having difficulty painting this picture, but the upshot is; cousins have fewer different grandparents then siblings do... They share a set that siblings don't...

and some were surprised when they were accepted as friends by Hawaiians, Asians, Filipinoes, and other ethicalities quickly and easily.

Unless, of course (and with due reason) you're a touristo.

humans fear differences-it's a survial technique now outdated but still prevalent. people disguise fear with hatred and wrath rather than curiosoty and tolerence. it's what society teaches you is right, even though it's wrong.

Nah! Truth be told, people here like Tourists... it's the Fanatics who support the Hawaiian Solverncy that you watch out for. Those that follow the Trask Sisters for example. They are the ones that don't realize that Hawaii's lifeblood is Tourists. Of course the criminal elements also prey on the Tourists as well but that's true in most major Tourists locations.

If you want to test that, come on over and ask around, you'll find all the great local (and cheap) eating places, bars and hidden treasures that the tour groups don't go to. Of course, use your common sense cuz it's hard to tell the cons from the honest guys.

I'm having difficulty painting this picture, but the upshot is; cousins have fewer different grandparents then siblings do... They share a set that siblings don't...

siblings share a total of four grandparents (a set of two), and have no different grandparents....

counsins share two grandparents (a single set) and each have two who are different ( a single set each)....

Most genetic anomolous inherantances come through the recessive passing of genes... and the simple fact of the matter is that siblings share more ressessive genes than cousins do, so the likelyhood of these ressessive genes present being passed as dominate is higher with siblings than with cousins...

In the end it becomes a matter of statistics and probability, rather than mere percentage..... the simple fact is, however, that two counsins have statistically less of a chance of similarity than two siblings... in relation to the grandparents, comparing siblings, you have a possible mix from four seperate sources, and with cousins a possible mix from six seperate sources.... the higher the number of initial sources, the less statistical probability of similarity.

I'm having difficulty painting this picture, but the upshot is; cousins have fewer different grandparents then siblings do... They share a set that siblings don't...

Okay, I'm still confused.
My brother and I have the same 4 grandparents. I'm pretty sure this is true of any set of full siblings.
My cousins on my mother's side and I share 2 grandparents (one set, my mother's parents), and likewise my father's side.
I can imagine how if my mother's sibling married my father's sibling and I married their offspring I would share all my grandparents with my cousin/spouse, but that would still be no worse than the situation between my siblings and me.

I've got some questions, and it has to do with the definition of race,

Is race how we're discussing it only implying to skin color, or actual ethnicity? Because eastern and western europeans might both be white, but they're very different. Also, the same could be said for reverse racism, where the minority lumps the opposite (oppressive) race together. Blacks for instance seem to have a predisposed...distrust for whites, at least from what i've seen.

Also, uses of ethnic slanders, such as N***a, is it okay for anyone to say it at all? Blacks? Whites? I would imagine blacks think it is only okay for them to say it, but if a white says it they are racist.

(An interesting point was brought up to me by one of my friends, objecting to an asian pride club. He stated, 'because it's a minority, it becomes okay to celebrate the culture right? But if I made a white pride club, I'd be called a racist white supremacist. Any thoughts on that?)

Also: Judiasm, race, or religion?

Judaism is a religion... Though if you pass through it historically it begins in the form of a nation (race) and religion as the Hebrews/Israelites..... The term Judaism is an adoptation developed under Roman occupied Judea (Which was just part of the historic kingdom of Israel).... At this point, after 2000+ years of proselytism in the middle-east, asia and europe... to consider it a "race" is a hard point to prove.

In all actuality, however, there is merely one race amongst us, the human race... scientifically... those with differing skin color, and such, are more akin to "a breed" rather than a race...

The last time it was actually possible to have true "racism" was when Homo Sapien Sapien, and Homo Sapien Neaderthalis were around at the same time and interacting.... which would have been a little more than 100,000+ years ago. At this stage, it is merely people trying to use minor differences of breeding between people, as a point of contention under the guise of "racial purity"

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