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Americans are anit British. All they can do is speak the usual, anti British rubbish that has been spewing forth from yankee mouths since the American War of Independence and it only reinforces my opinion that America, Americans and American culture are fundamentally anti British. Before I do begin I would like to make it clear that I am British and a full member of the Conservative Party. Thatshould stop any attempts to call me a socialist leftie. I have many examples to back this theory up so let us begin:

American Betrayal : Yes I know it happened in 1786 but in my opinion it is still relevant to today. This so called war against tyranny (ha!) began over a tiny amount of tax on tea. Americans already lived in a virtually tax free zone, far more tax free than Motherland Britain. And why did we place this tax on tea? So that we could pay for defences around the American colonies! Their so called "War of Liberty" on us was little more than a scam. The rich Americans, unhappy at this tiny bit of tax eating away at their already massive profits, roused the rabble using their false words. Replace "liberty" with "greed" and "freedom" with "slavery" and I think you have the jist of the American War of Independece. In films like the Patriot, the British are accused of massive war crimes. I can tell you now as a historian that the only war crimes during that entire war were inflicted by American rebels on loyal British citizens. As to an entire nation being united against Britain? Ha. One of third of all Americans were loyalist and they were forced to flee by the vindicative rebels after the war finished. The American War of Independece was not about liberty for all: it was about liberty for the fat, slave owning plantation owners and that is still the way that America runs today. My main point here is from the birth of their nation, the Americans have been fundamentally anti British. They stabbed their own motherland in the back and drove the knife in deep. For that they should NEVER be forgiven. The American nation is a nation of traitors. They murdered British soldiers and are therefore murders. They have British blood on their hands. This war set out the fundamental beliefs of America. Self interest is their fundamental belief and self interest has never been high on the British agenda.

World War Two: The American version of this war is like so: Europeans doomed to tyranny and oppression forever, heroic American GIs save the hopeless Europeans, hooray war ends. This can be seen in any number of their history books and their films (like Saving Private Ryan for example). That story is a lie. The reason America came into the war wasn't to preserve liberty and freedom, far from it. They were happy enough to let Europe go to hell so long as THEY werent attacked. The only reason they came into World War Two was to protect their own backsides when the Japanese attacked them at Pearl Harbour. Not at all like the British who entered to defend Polish liberites and the peace of Europe. Britain never had to go to war: it is doubtful that Hitler would have attacked us due to his deep respect for Britain and its Empire. Britain could have pulled out of he war at any time: the Germans were constantly offering us favourable terms of peace that would allow us to preserve most of our Empire. But no! Britain kept on fighting for what it believed in. We didn't fight out of self interest: our self interest was with peace. That shows the fundamental difference between Americans and British. Britain fight for principles, Americans fight for themselves. When they finally entered the war, a great deal of work was already done. Montgomery had won at Alamein in North Africa. The Battle of Britain was won. The Russians were beginning to push the Nazis back. The Americans did provide a large number of troops for D Day thats true but remember that 2 out of 5 beaches were British beaches and 1 of the others was a mixed Candanian/Britishg force. But do they get a mention in any of their Hollywood propaganda? NO. Were we to believe Private Ryan then we would believe that America won World War Two all by itself. Finally, America showed absolutely no interest in helping Europe even once it was in the war. During the last two years, it was of absolute importance to secure as much of Europe from the Communist powers to the east. Churchill (a man with 44 years experience in the European political scene) told the Americans that they had to capture many parts of Europe in order to prevent Communist tyranny. He was ignored by the arrogant Americans and so all of Central Europe was sacrificed just so the Americans could run off back home. Central Europe would spend the next 60 years under the tyrannical rule of Communism thanks to America. Had they listened to Churchill, then most of Germany would have been saved. In their own selfish rush, the Americans created the most dangerous politcal situation for 40 years, as Soviet Russia had the run of nearly all of Europe. One last final point here: Americans still claim that they won the war all by themselves. To claim this is to spit on every British, French, Canadian, Polish and Russian wargrave.

The British Empire: One point to start my ranting: the American Revolution was not "the funeral toll of the British Empire" as so many Yank historians believe. The British Empire went on for over 150 years after the American Revolution so I would hardly call it a funeral. The British Empire (contary to Yank propaganda) was actually the most liberal empire ever seen on the face of the earth (and I consider it far more liberal than the American Empire currently in creation). Slavery was non existent within the British Empire by 1850, having first been banned in 1806. Members of the colonies were not surpressed by the British Army as the British Army was too small to enact such a large scale act of oppression. With British technology and British money and British expertise, once backwards nations were turned into industrial power houses. In the space of a century, India turned from a squabbling bunch of princedoms into a united, advanced and well governed country with an intact education system, transport system, indutrial infrastructure and civil service, all of which were set up by the British Empire. India today is a super power thanks to the legacy left to them by the British. And all being said done it was better that the British (a liberal democracy) gained control of these places than the Japanses, Germans or Italians. But America saw this Empire as a threat and so took the first opportunity offered to it to destroy it. Using its global power status, it forced Britain out of the Empire, leaving the good work unfinished. The Americans forced the British out in such a rush that the British had to come up with implausible and unworkable plans for their departure. Once again America had acted out of self interest in the disguise of liberty.

American Cultural Invasion : Let me tell America what we don't want. We don't want you horrible, greasy fat food chains clogging our streets. We don't want your cheap, Hollywood propaganda films. We don't want your immoral television. We don't want a system of self interest in place of British social capitalism (a balance between socialism and capitalism, essentially a liberal state). In short we want our own cultures, free from American influence. The British Empire never went out to destroy cultures. In India, Christian missionaires were banned by the British and the Indian cultur was allowed to remain and flourish. Why have not the Welsh, Scottish or Irish cultures not disappeared? Because Britain is a tolerant nation. America is now using its super power status to invade our shores: not with troops but with their tainted and corrupt culture. To the people of Britain: say arse instead of ass, ensure you use the British pronuniciation of words. If you don't then you may as well kiss the stars and stripes and call President Bush your leader. America only seeks to destroy native cultures and replace them with its own, filled with MacDonalds and episodes of Friends.

Well I would adivse all to read this before the admin ban it. Free speech, my arse. Just remember that American culture is based on self interest. I do not like Europe but at least the French and Germans have honour. I would rather ally myself with Europe than with dishonest, selfish, corrupt, unprincipled, hateful, dishonourable, treacherous America.

Don't forget, it was Winston Churchill who deceived America and got us into the two World Wars.

Do you have one of those charming british smiles? YOu know, the ones that would make Ray Charles flinch?

:D

Five years, three if I marry an englishwoman.

I am an unrepentant anglophile and as an american citizen who was born and grew up in the US, I agree wholeheartedly with your accurate and insightful observations on the US and her character.

Don't forget, it was Winston Churchill who deceived America and got us into the two World Wars.

How precisely? He asked for American help when Britain (a supposed ally) was in direst need. I'm quite sure that America fully knew what it was getting into: after all American agents had been in Britain and Europe for some time. As for World War One, the American influence was minimal. Their troops (which only came after American ships had been sunk, another example of self interest) came in 1917, far too late to have any major influence on the end of the war.

Five years, three if I marry an englishwoman.

I am an unrepentant anglophile and as an american citizen who was born and grew up in the US, I agree wholeheartedly with your accurate and insightful observations on the US and her character.

Good man, although I'm unsure about the first bit of your post.

Good man, although I'm unsure about the first bit of your post.


How long I need to live in great britain to become a subject.

I think British Glory got dumped by a nice American girl.

Seriously though, don't worry. We'll bail your ass out of world war three too.

And for the record, only two good things ever came out of England. America, and Shaun of the Dead. Shaun of the Dead was a distant second.

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You need Level 1 Facts to receive credibility

Thank you for your stereotypes. I hope you learn more about me and my culture next time you try and attack me.

For the record, I believe the opposite of nearly everything you've said. And I'm an American teenager. Then again, I'm more politically aware than most fellow Americans...but still.


I understand that many of us Americans have a problem, and that we can be arrogant sometimes. But don't hold that on our accounts, it's the media's fault. The media screwed us over and it'll be a long time before we can become real world citizens again, if we ever will.

But you stooping down to their level is unacceptable and would totally backfire you in the future.

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American Cultural Invasion : Let me tell America what we don't want. We don't want you horrible, greasy fat food chains clogging our streets. We don't want your cheap, Hollywood propaganda films. We don't want your immoral television.

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Interesting use of the word "we". Guess there must be around 50 million or so foreigners knocking around these islands then.

or do you just dislike us because we were the first nation in the modern world to create a fair and just political system in spite of your king?

however i will admit that our political system is corrupting

How precisely? He asked for American help when Britain (a supposed ally) was in direst need. I'm quite sure that America fully knew what it was getting into: after all American agents had been in Britain and Europe for some time. As for World War One, the American influence was minimal. Their troops (which only came after American ships had been sunk, another example of self interest) came in 1917, far too late to have any major influence on the end of the war.

The Lusitania by Colin Simpson
Churchill's War by David Irving
The Churchill Legend by Francis Neilson
The Makers of War by Francis Neilson
The Tragedy of Europe, A Commentary on the Second World War, 1938-1945 by Francis Neilson

Dude, I am *not* anti-Brit!

In fact, I was hoping my dad was gonna take me along to London on his business trip next week since I have little school.

The British Empire never went out to destroy cultures. In India, Christian missionaires were banned by the British and the Indian cultur was allowed to remain and flourish. Why have not the Welsh, Scottish or Irish cultures not disappeared? Because Britain is a tolerant nation. America is now using its super power status to invade our shores: not with troops but with their tainted and corrupt culture.

Ah, look, an arrogant hypocrite! Aye your a hypocrite! Even if the Americans were murderers, they never "murdered" as many Brits as you did to my own country over a period of eight centuries! You British were tolerant?! Do you forget the Orangemen?! Ha! My own family was nearly wiped out for simply speaking against that inbred King of yours! Don't give me this "we were tolerant" bs! You banned our songs, our language, and for a long while, our right to an education, our religion! The only reason the Welsh, Scottish, and Irish cultures remain is because we damn well fought for our cultures to remain! We continued to sing our songs in basements, speak our language when we could, and not because you were "tolerant"!

Christ I'm rarely ever pissed at Brits until one pops up and says something like this....:headbang:

I did all that? Man, no wonder I'm so tired.

For now, I am supporting the thread starter. I'll watch how the topic does here in this U.S. American swamp. 200 years of U.S. "culture" are flooding the world and destroying what mankind achieved in thousands of years, the U.S. throw the cradle of mankind in disarray, old relics were lost in Iraq when the illegal invasion happened. Just more signs of the contempt, Americans feel for all cultures outside their own corrupt and worthless society.

or do you just dislike us because we were the first nation in the modern world to create a fair and just political system in spite of your king?

however i will admit that our political system is corrupting


You badly misunderstand the role of the english monarchy.

Also, our political system is not merely 'corrupting,' it is corrupt to the bone, fatally so.

u complian that the US steretypes u, yet u saying that alone seterotypes them. :headbang:

im not even amercan :D

or do you just dislike us because we were the first nation in the modern world to create a fair and just political system in spite of your king?

however i will admit that our political system is corrupting

British democracy predates yours by about, oh, say 400 years? Alright it wasnt a full democracy until 1868 but I think at that time the Americans were having a rather nasty war. About slavery, wasn't it? That Britain outlawed half a century earlier? By the way, the King lost his power in 1688 so that shuts you up

This post was lamer than Christopher Reeve.

American Cultural Invasion : Let me tell America what we don't want. We don't want you horrible, greasy fat food chains clogging our streets. We don't want your cheap, Hollywood propaganda films. We don't want your immoral television.

There's a very simple solution, then: Don't buy it. All of these things are in your country because there are people there who want them, and are willing to pay for them. Perhaps you don't want these things (honestly, neither do I), but don't presume to speak for your entire country.

Obviously enough British people enjoy our "greasy food", "Hollywood Propoganda", and "immoral television," to make these things profitable. They won't sell their crap if no one will buy it.

As for hating British people...um, no. Happen to know a few that are in school over here in the states. Some pretty good people actually.

British democracy predates yours by about, oh, say 400 years? Alright it wasnt a full democracy until 1868 but I think at that time the Americans were having a rather nasty war. About slavery, wasn't it?
Somewhat. It was mostly about states rights and the will of the South to secede from the Union as well as the social and economic rifts between the Northern and Southern states.

That Britain outlawed half a century earlier? Actually, quite a few AMERICAN colonies (or states if you turn like that) banned slavery before the British as a whole did so.

glad to hand out the facts wherever I go :)

Just more signs of the contempt, Americans feel for all cultures outside their own corrupt and worthless society.

A)America wasn't born bad; it didn't start to really go downhill until Wilson was elected;

B)Not all of us are like that. I have great respect for and interest in other cultures. I take great pride in my British heritage, and the influence of British law on American law. Likewise, I take great pride in my German, French, Welsh, Irish, and Danish background. I am fascinated by other cultures.

British democracy predates yours by about, oh, say 400 years? Alright it wasnt a full democracy until 1868 but I think at that time the Americans were having a rather nasty war. About slavery, wasn't it? That Britain outlawed half a century earlier? By the way, the King lost his power in 1688 so that shuts you up

Make that date for full democracy in the UK about half a century later, please. Or better yet, not achieved at all while half of our legislature is unelected.

Ah, look, an arrogant hypocrite! Aye your a hypocrite! Even if the Americans were murderers, they never "murdered" as many Brits as you did to my own country over a period of eight centuries! You British were tolerant?! Do you forget the Orangemen?! Ha! My own family was nearly wiped out for simply speaking against that inbred King of yours! Don't give me this "we were tolerant" bs! You banned our songs, our language, and for a long while, our right to an education, our religion! The only reason the Welsh, Scottish, and Irish cultures remain is because we damn well fought for our cultures to remain! We continued to sing our songs in basements, speak our language when we could, and not because you were "tolerant"!

Christ I'm rarely ever pissed at Brits until one pops up and says something like this....:headbang:

Ah an Irishman.
First allow me to apologise to you for my nation's mistakes in the past. Our judgement was never exactly at its best when defining the Irish problem. But may I say a few things:
1) A lot of Cromwell's actions in Ireland have been vastly exaggerated.
2) There were many British people who aided the Irish during the famine and provided money, food and jobs.
3) Ireland took up vast amounts of parliamentary time during the 19th Century (considering we had 1/3 of the world to manage, Ireland got a lot of time).
4) British action in Ireland was always clouded by paranoia: you are the back door and you were awlays rebelling for one reason or another.

Another point: Americans give money to IRA terrorists to blow up British citizens

Ah an Irishman.
First allow me to apologise to you for my nation's mistakes in the past. Our judgement was never exactly at its best when defining the Irish problem. But may I say a few things:
1) A lot of Cromwell's actions in Ireland have been vastly exaggerated.
2) There were many British people who aided the Irish during the famine and provided money, food and jobs.
3) Ireland took up vast amounts of parliamentary time during the 19th Century (considering we had 1/3 of the world to manage, Ireland got a lot of time).
4) British action in Ireland was always clouded by paranoia: you are the back door and you were awlays rebelling for one reason or another.

Another point: Americans give money to IRA terrorists to blow up British citizens
Dude, look at my post in the first page and tell me that your post isn't exactly like mine more or less.

or do you just dislike us because we were the first nation in the modern world to create a fair and just political system in spite of your king?


Fair political system? Fair political system. I may just laugh all evening at the even remotest idea that the American Political System is in any way fair.

1) How much does it cost to run as...anything? In the US you have to be a multimillionare (ok proberbly not exactly but still) to even enter the election. In the UK you have to pay £500 or there abouts to stand as an MP. In America you buy office. You dont win it. What exactly are the restrictions on spending in a campagin. Oh thats right, there are none (are there? I read this in a newspaper once, cant think how long ago or what paper)

2) What political system. Is anyone going to tell me hand on heart now that they understand how the system works. So the senete can do some things that the house of representives cant and vice versa and congress is? I dont know about you but the British system seems far simpler. I could be wrong here but is there someone who fully understands both to help me

3) Democracy? If you can punch a hole in a piece of card. Democrat or Republican. Those two words both mean similar things. Or to be more exact

Democrat = an advocate of democracy
Republican = an opponent of monarchy

As far as definitions go they are one and the same. And I cant figure out the idealogical basis behind either of them, left/right? what is it?

Ah an Irishman.
First allow me to apologise to you for my nation's mistakes in the past. Our judgement was never exactly at its best when defining the Irish problem. But may I say a few things:
1) A lot of Cromwell's actions in Ireland have been vastly exaggerated.
2) There were many British people who aided the Irish during the famine and provided money, food and jobs.
3) Ireland took up vast amounts of parliamentary time during the 19th Century (considering we had 1/3 of the world to manage, Ireland got a lot of time).
4) British action in Ireland was always clouded by paranoia: you are the back door and you were awlays rebelling for one reason or another.

Another point: Americans give money to IRA terrorists to blow up British citizens
And there are British citizens that give to the IRA. And French, German, Canadian, etc, etc, etc.

And there are British citizens that give to the IRA. And French, German, Canadian, etc, etc, etc.

And that clears America's already soiled name, how exactly?

Wow first post in off-topic forums... anyway.

1.I dont follow history in anytime before 1900 so I have no idea about the revolution.

2 I agree with you on ONE point... America did not win the war alone. But otherwise I disagree. If America had never joined the war (which it would have regardless of Pearl Harbour) Britain wouuld have NEVER gotten enough troops together to invade even Sicily. Without having to divert its strength Germany could have focused its soldiers on the Russians. Granted, Russia had more soldiers and (in some cases) better equipment, but the Germans were overall better soldiers... as shown by the enormous Russian losses even AFTER they had regained the initiative. The Germans could have then pushed back Russia and take Moscow. Another note on the fact that the US did not plan on entering the war. WRONG! Franklin was doing everything he could to help Britain without going to war. Congress, he knew, would NEVER give the authority to go to war without anything less than a obvious direct threat of the United States. He knew that eventually he would be drawn into war agianst Germany and Japan regardless of what happened. Thus if even if Pearl Harbor did not happen the US would have entered the war on the allies side.

3. A ton of disagreeable points there. It was the UN that got the British out of the Middle East, Ghandi that got them out of Indian Subcontinent, Not sure who who got them out of New Zealand and Australia. But regardless, a majority of EX-British colonies are part of the British Commonwealth and recognize the Queen of England as their Head of State. Isnt that enough for you?

4. Then why doesnt the entirety of Europe KICK THEM OUT!? If a majority of you dont like it then kick them out. I agree that we give to much freedom to large corporations, and that SOME of our culture is trash, but if you dont like it then you can KICK US OUT! If we use military might to enforce it then you definantly have a point but otherwise... you have no proof.

Fair political system? Fair political system. I may just laugh all evening at the even remotest idea that the American Political System is in any way fair.

1) How much does it cost to run as...anything? In the US you have to be a multimillionare (ok proberbly not exactly but still) to even enter the election. In the UK you have to pay £500 or there abouts to stand as an MP

Actually you just need a couple hundred signatures to get on the state ballot. Where the money factors in, is in getting your name known, not getting on the ballot.

Looks like someone's gotten ahold of one of our history books from the 1950s again and thinks we still learn that way.

Make that date for full democracy in the UK about half a century later, please. Or better yet, not achieved at all while half of our legislature is unelected.

Yes, but if both sections of the legislture were elected, then who would have more legitamcy?

And that clears America's already soiled name, how exactly?
I was simply pointing out that we're not the only country to have a few people that donate to terrorist organizations.

You know, trying to point out the errors in your sweeping generalizations that are making you look less and less like a worthwhile poster.

Yes, but if both sections of the legislture were elected, then who would have more legitamcy?
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How does not being elected make one more "legitimate"

Make that date for full democracy in the UK about half a century later, please. Or better yet, not achieved at all while half of our legislature is unelected.


If elections in the US, Afhganistan and Russia are to be taken as evidence, do not jump so heartily into thinking that just because elections are held a nation's government is truly democratic.

*yawns* Oh look, another Anti-American thread. :rolleyes: Good to see my bretheren are responding to your idiotic claims and also that non-Americans are sticking up for us too. Thanks. :)

"We are more than the wars of our fathers." -Switchfoot
Seems like people need to take this quote to heart. So many people bitching about things that happened before our time that we cannot change. If you don't like American things, do what America did to France after France vetoed those UN resolutions for Iraq: boycott France. Some will argue that we didn't boycott them, while it may not have been an official boycott, few people over here bought things they knew to be French. Then again, that would be following America's example. Can't do that. Ameriacns are arrogant imperialistic morons...

Looks like someone's gotten ahold of one of our history books from the 1950s again and thinks we still learn that way.

Actually a lot of my arguement is based on the arguemens of Dr. Niall Fergson, who recently published a book about the British Empire. He also did a TV series of Channel 4 on the Empire. At current British historians are beginning to view the Empire in a good light again as is the British media.

I'm not sure you hate America or its people per se, I'm guessing you hate the cultural invasion via our political encroachment and by our globalist corporate culture.

Believe me, we the people are pretty decent folk.

As for hating the British, nonsense. Some of us actually like British culture due to the fact that its more academic than our bland and banal pop culture, and you've got waaay better beer than the urine we call beer here.

Granted, Americans can be dimwitted about the world, what can you expect we get spoon fed media, and we are separated from the rest of the world via two oceans. So, world events really don't seem to effect us directly.

Your concept of Americans is stereotypical. Think about it, if I thought all Brits were like Austin Powers it wouldn't be a very accurate world view, now would it? Not all Americans are redneck Bush supporters, who are slobbering dogs that go out and shop evertime a commercial comes on the tv.

I'm also an amateur historian, and I can tell you, the British Empire did not decline when the US parted with ways with you. See, well read and not culturally biased. (Amazing, eh?)

So, lighten up. Some of us love you guys. Great sense of humor, literate, polite, and good people. (Granted we may differ about government, but what can you do?)

As for WWII: You guys are lucky the Germans changed tactics, and were stupid/insane enough to go after Russia before wiping out the British Isles. I had an aunt that lived in Scotland during the war, so I know a few things. Look, we couldn't have conquered Europe without the British, but you wouldn't have been able to beat Hitler and his Nazi's without our help. Luckily, we worked together, and Russia didn't take back all of Europe from the Nazis, or things would have gotten really ugly.

Now, I can't blame you or the world for being ticked off at us right now. Bush has made things very hard for us to look like the good guys. What do you expect from a spoiled rich boy playing president?

Anyway, keep in mind we're not all twits, and some of us actually like the UK, and hold dear our ancestral roots.

Cheers.

Yes, but if both sections of the legislture were elected, then who would have more legitamcy?

That could be managed, for example by having the current system and conventions but with both houses elected.

But if it's really a concern, just have the one.

If elections in the US, Afhganistan and Russia are to be taken as evidence, do not jump so heartily into thinking that just because elections are held a nation's government is truly democratic.

You're jumping to conclusions about my beliefs. And missing badly.

It may not be sufficient, but universal suffrage is a necessary condition for full democracy.

Your statement "Americans are anti-British" is blatantly false. It just doesn't make any sense.

Ah an Irishman.
First allow me to apologise to you for my nation's mistakes in the past. Our judgement was never exactly at its best when defining the Irish problem. But may I say a few things:
1) A lot of Cromwell's actions in Ireland have been vastly exaggerated.
2) There were many British people who aided the Irish during the famine and provided money, food and jobs.
3) Ireland took up vast amounts of parliamentary time during the 19th Century (considering we had 1/3 of the world to manage, Ireland got a lot of time).
4) British action in Ireland was always clouded by paranoia: you are the back door and you were awlays rebelling for one reason or another.

Another point: Americans give money to IRA terrorists to blow up British citizens

How did the British help the Irish in the famine? The famine was worse because of the British! We were not allowed fishing rights, those were given and resticted to Protestant British immigrants. Almost all of the edible food we had was taken so the British lords could feed themselves when they had enough food coming from the Protestant immigrants, but let's not have the British immigrants suffer, they represent the glory of the King, let's starve the Irish, since they are nothing but Papist Dogs!! The Irish were starving to death with teeth and hands stained green from having to eat grass, our children were forced to emigrate to survive, my own family is around today because the parents of my forefathers decided they would rather starve themselves than see their children die of starvation with green mouths and ribs portruding from the sides.

But then, "the Irish problem"? Then "you were always rebelling"? Oh no, god forbid we fight for our God given rights to be free of tyrants living across the sea trying to exterminate our entire way of life!

I have many reasons to hate the British with all my heart and soul, but I do try and not to, honestly I do. And I think I usually come off as a nice guy around here.... But then I see a Brit using MY country as an example for British tolerance?! Forgive me if I seem a little pissed off at the moment....

To the Orgasmic Anglophile:
I happen to think you are wrong. I am an American who has met many British citizens in the course of the past few years of my studies, and I believe that I can accurately debunk the anti-British sentiment you expressed when I tell you that I hated none of them. As for the war for independance, well, there was bad blood on all sides, and war was going to be inevitable, and America winning was inevitable (not because of American military-prowess but simple geography). The British Empire had both positive and negative aspects, but there were horrible acts of repression (the Dharasana Salt Mines, anyone?). But then again, look at the American south and slavery. As or cultural imperialism, well you don't have a leg to stand on. There were these little things called the Opium Wars. You ruined an entire nation of people for their tea and silk. And all we ever ruined were the minds of boys and girls who actually were dumb enough to listen to Brittany Spears. I enjoy the arguement that the dollar speaks loudest. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
The Iraq War is stupid, President Bush sucks, and our political system is dying because of the collusion inherent in the two-party system. But we aren't all evil, stupid, and arrogant. I work with a non-profit organization, and I've been to Bangkok to help out Child Sex Workers.
I don't detest Britain becuase they're different or because they view situations differently. I admire the society that has grown in the UK, and I admire much of my own culture. All you show in your diatribes is that you are as ignorant as the people you hate, with a lack of depth to your understanding of America that is only matched by your irrational hatred of an entire people based whatever anti-euroskeptic, anti-american propganda you are spoonfed across the pond. I make it a habit not to hate anyone, and to learn much more about their culture before I make such crass generalizations. You should too.

you arrogant, over zealous prick. that is just how your counry men are stereotyped and you are just proving that stereotype. Everyone didn't overreact to a "Small" tax on tea for "protection" Just what may i ask were you protecting them from? The natives? You act like all your causes are just and above everyone else. Your nation has been oppressing the Irish people for centuries, people providing relief during the famine were only looking for cheap labor and indentured servitude. If your so just in your causes then why not let Ireland go free?
You are right the nazi's did admire your nation, they did want peace contracts with them, but they did that with other nations as well, they made peace treaties then invaded them when they were off guard, that is why Britain ignored their so called peace treaties.

You're jumping to conclusions about my beliefs. And missing badly.

It may not be sufficient, but universal suffrage is a necessary condition for full democracy.


What effect would you gauge there to be on your nations policies if the house of lords was directly elected?

Does the house of lord make policy, or do elected leaders make policy?

coming from a disenfranchised British Barbarian. Apparently your country, old chap, did you dirty, and that isn't Cricket, wot? Yet you cannot bare to blame your own countrymen and countrywomen for stabbing you in the back, yes, and so you blame those old dirty USA citizens. Why their country should rightfully be yours, yes?

I am Scott-Irish and British, as well as Half-German. My German side arrived in the USA before the first World War, and my other side arrive after the Irish Potato Famine. Seeking to start out a new life, and have religious freedoms, leaving hostile conditions in our mother countries, we set off for the USA as Indentured Servants and worked off our debts for coming over here by boat. Every Penny our family has, they earned.

The British Colonies had heavy taxes put on them, and had their religious freedoms taken away. The tea tax was just the straw that broke the camels back. So we rebelled, and wrote your King George (who was insane and spoke German and not English, so he was English illiterate and someone had to translate for him) the Declaration of Independence.

So your country sent German Mercenaries after us, the Hessians, as well as your Red Coats. Nevertheless, every Minuteman answered the call and fought back for freedom and democracy against imperialism. Eventually your country got tired of shooting us and went home, hoping for better luck in Canada, Australia, or India. (Yeah, Gandhi kicked your butt too! Woo hoo! Go Gandhi!) :rolleyes:

Anyway we bailed your arses out for World War I and II, without so much as a "Thank You" from our allies.

Now your socialist system fails you, and you blame us? Excuse me, we stopped caring about your country in 1776. After 1776, it is your own fault and we have nothing to do with it. British citizens have a history of being Barbarians and I see that you've continued the tradition. Not having learned your lessons from the Roman Empire who owned you, nor having learned from mistakes your country made in bad diplomatic deals, and hundreds of years of royal inbreeding for your leaders. That inbreeding caused the big ears, bad teeth, and other things to happen.

I am related to William the Conqueror, and he took over your country so easily. Yes, he did own you Barbarians. Do not get me upset, or I shall repeat what my ancestor did and own you once again! I am also related to Vlad Tepes with one of my minor ancestors, so I can have you impaled on a Pike for speaking about me and my countrymen and countrywomen so badly. So do not tempt me!

Orion Blastar, Pirate President of District 268, and USA Citizen as well.

OK WTF!!?!?!??!?!?!???!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
For one, you are brining up things that happend 200 years AGO!!! GOD for the love of ****ing god! I mean come on....yes the American system is ****ed but so is the British...its the exact same ****ing system.....A CORRUPT REPUBLIC....not a "Democracy" ok..........so....jeez.........we're not the one's that have the king remember.

OK WTF!!?!?!??!?!?!???!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
For one, you are brining up things that happend 200 years AGO!!! GOD for the love of ****ing god! I mean come on....yes the American system is ****ed but so is the British...its the exact same ****ing system.....A CORRUPT REPUBLIC....not a "Democracy" ok..........so....jeez.........we're not the one's that have the king remember.

we don’t either, we have a queen :p

A nation of traitors?

It's sad how so many people are so willing to point a finger and lay the actions of a person's ancestors on their shoulders. You are basically claiming that I am a traitor. To whom? To your government? I like Britain just fine.

Do I think that America's government is superior to Britain's? No, because it's not. Our politicians are heavily corrupted because of capitalism. They don't choose their sides based on what they believe, but instead do so based on which organization donates the most money to their campaign. And yes, Americans are arrogant, but that's part of having pride, misplaced or not.

Most Americans don't hate the British. If you think they do, then by all means, please tell me which ones you've spoken with that told you this. If anything, I'd say that most of the US public (which is, unfortunately, quite ignorant) is indifferent to the British people.

My main point is this: Don't call the American public a nation of traitors simply because they're ignorant of the truth. Remember: They were taught by American history teachers that they won their independence from British rule, and most Americans just don't care enough about history to go out and learn the truth.

Edit: Our government sometimes does really selfish, stupid things. Don't blame us for that, either. Remember that there are a lot of Americans too that are dissatisfied with our government. Sixty years ago, it was almost taboo to speak out against the government and doing so marked you as some sort of communist dog who hated freedom. At least now people are willing to come out en masse and tell the politicians what they think without fear of sounding "unpatriotic".

you arrogant, over zealous prick. that is just how your counry men are stereotyped and you are just proving that stereotype. Everyone didn't overreact to a "Small" tax on tea for "protection" Just what may i ask were you protecting them from? The natives? You act like all your causes are just and above everyone else. Your nation has been oppressing the Irish people for centuries, people providing relief during the famine were only looking for cheap labor and indentured servitude. If your so just in your causes then why not let Ireland go free?
You are right the nazi's did admire your nation, they did want peace contracts with them, but they did that with other nations as well, they made peace treaties then invaded them when they were off guard, that is why Britain ignored their so called peace treaties.

Protect you from? The Spanish, the French and the Dutch who all wanted to claim you (the French only ever took your side because you were against us by the way). Oppress the Irish people? They had MPs in our Parliament so don't go claiming they had no democratic representation.Unlike America, we dont let nation go free: we like to ensure they have a safe and stable system in place first. And the only case that your last generalisation applies to is Russia.

OK WTF!!?!?!??!?!?!???!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
For one, you are brining up things that happend 200 years AGO!!! GOD for the love of ****ing god! I mean come on....yes the American system is ****ed but so is the British...its the exact same ****ing system.....A CORRUPT REPUBLIC....not a "Democracy" ok..........so....jeez.........we're not the one's that have the king remember.

WHY ON EARTH DO YOU YANKS HAVE THIS FIXATION ABOUT THE QUEEN? FOR THE LAST TIME: SHE HAS NO POWER AND HAS HAD NONE SINCE 1688. HER PURPOSE IS PURELY CEREMONIAL BECAUSE WE ARE A TRADITIONAL PEOPLE. THE QUEEN HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE MILITARY, OVER THE PARLIAMENT AND EVEN IF SHE TRIED, PARLIAMENT WOULD SIMPLY LEGISLATE AGAINST HER TO STOP IT HAPPENING AGAIN. WE HAVE AN UNWRITTEN CONSTITUTION WHICH MEANS WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO THE ROLES AND POWERS OF PEOPLE.

WHY ON EARTH DO YOU YANKS HAVE THIS FIXATION ABOUT THE QUEEN? FOR THE LAST TIME: SHE HAS NO POWER AND HAS HAD NONE SINCE 1688. HER PURPOSE IS PURELY CEREMONIAL BECAUSE WE ARE A TRADITIONAL PEOPLE. THE QUEEN HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE MILITARY, OVER THE PARLIAMENT AND EVEN IF SHE TRIED, PARLIAMENT WOULD SIMPLY LEGISLATE AGAINST HER TO STOP IT HAPPENING AGAIN. WE HAVE AN UNWRITTEN CONSTITUTION WHICH MEANS WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO THE ROLES AND POWERS OF PEOPLE.

I like you. You're silly. :)

WHY ON EARTH DO YOU YANKS HAVE THIS FIXATION ABOUT THE QUEEN? FOR THE LAST TIME: SHE HAS NO POWER AND HAS HAD NONE SINCE 1688. HER PURPOSE IS PURELY CEREMONIAL BECAUSE WE ARE A TRADITIONAL PEOPLE. THE QUEEN HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE MILITARY, OVER THE PARLIAMENT AND EVEN IF SHE TRIED, PARLIAMENT WOULD SIMPLY LEGISLATE AGAINST HER TO STOP IT HAPPENING AGAIN. WE HAVE AN UNWRITTEN CONSTITUTION WHICH MEANS WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO THE ROLES AND POWERS OF PEOPLE.
I find it amusing you reply to easily defendable arguments rather than replying to those that acknowledge our mistakes and gives you advice.

Or are you another troll such as Nazi Weaponized Virus who would not dare to learn anything besides their own spoonfed self-assured propaganda?

World War Two: The American version of this war is like so: Europeans doomed to tyranny and oppression forever, heroic American GIs save the hopeless Europeans, hooray war ends. This can be seen in any number of their history books and their films (like Saving Private Ryan for example). That story is a lie. The reason America came into the war wasn't to preserve liberty and freedom, far from it. They were happy enough to let Europe go to hell so long as THEY werent attacked. The only reason they came into World War Two was to protect their own backsides when the Japanese attacked them at Pearl Harbour. Not at all like the British who entered to defend Polish liberites and the peace of Europe. Britain never had to go to war: it is doubtful that Hitler would have attacked us due to his deep respect for Britain and its Empire. Britain could have pulled out of he war at any time: the Germans were constantly offering us favourable terms of peace that would allow us to preserve most of our Empire. But no! Britain kept on fighting for what it believed in. We didn't fight out of self interest: our self interest was with peace. That shows the fundamental difference between Americans and British. Britain fight for principles, Americans fight for themselves. When they finally entered the war, a great deal of work was already done. Montgomery had won at Alamein in North Africa. The Battle of Britain was won. The Russians were beginning to push the Nazis back. The Americans did provide a large number of troops for D Day thats true but remember that 2 out of 5 beaches were British beaches and 1 of the others was a mixed Candanian/Britishg force. But do they get a mention in any of their Hollywood propaganda? NO. Were we to believe Private Ryan then we would believe that America won World War Two all by itself. Finally, America showed absolutely no interest in helping Europe even once it was in the war. During the last two years, it was of absolute importance to secure as much of Europe from the Communist powers to the east. Churchill (a man with 44 years experience in the European political scene) told the Americans that they had to capture many parts of Europe in order to prevent Communist tyranny. He was ignored by the arrogant Americans and so all of Central Europe was sacrificed just so the Americans could run off back home. Central Europe would spend the next 60 years under the tyrannical rule of Communism thanks to America. Had they listened to Churchill, then most of Germany would have been saved. In their own selfish rush, the Americans created the most dangerous politcal situation for 40 years, as Soviet Russia had the run of nearly all of Europe. One last final point here: Americans still claim that they won the war all by themselves. To claim this is to spit on every British, French, Canadian, Polish and Russian wargrave.

You guys did a great job protecting Poland, they fell to the Germans even though they asked help from all the superpowers, while the Russians watched.

The British Empire: One point to start my ranting: the American Revolution was not "the funeral toll of the British Empire" as so many Yank historians believe. The British Empire went on for over 150 years after the American Revolution so I would hardly call it a funeral. The British Empire (contary to Yank propaganda) was actually the most liberal empire ever seen on the face of the earth (and I consider it far more liberal than the American Empire currently in creation). Slavery was non existent within the British Empire by 1850, having first been banned in 1806. Members of the colonies were not surpressed by the British Army as the British Army was too small to enact such a large scale act of oppression. With British technology and British money and British expertise, once backwards nations were turned into industrial power houses. In the space of a century, India turned from a squabbling bunch of princedoms into a united, advanced and well governed country with an intact education system, transport system, indutrial infrastructure and civil service, all of which were set up by the British Empire. India today is a super power thanks to the legacy left to them by the British. And all being said done it was better that the British (a liberal democracy) gained control of these places than the Japanses, Germans or Italians. But America saw this Empire as a threat and so took the first opportunity offered to it to destroy it. Using its global power status, it forced Britain out of the Empire, leaving the good work unfinished. The Americans forced the British out in such a rush that the British had to come up with implausible and unworkable plans for their departure. Once again America had acted out of self interest in the disguise of liberty.

Please don't bring India into this, the British beat the Indians down, the British said that if they co operated in WWI that they would gain they're independence, after the war. And as far as I know WWI didn't end in 1947.

American Cultural Invasion : Let me tell America what we don't want. We don't want you horrible, greasy fat food chains clogging our streets. We don't want your cheap, Hollywood propaganda films. We don't want your immoral television. We don't want a system of self interest in place of British social capitalism (a balance between socialism and capitalism, essentially a liberal state). In short we want our own cultures, free from American influence. The British Empire never went out to destroy cultures. In India, Christian missionaires were banned by the British and the Indian cultur was allowed to remain and flourish. Why have not the Welsh, Scottish or Irish cultures not disappeared? Because Britain is a tolerant nation. America is now using its super power status to invade our shores: not with troops but with their tainted and corrupt culture. To the people of Britain: say arse instead of ass, ensure you use the British pronuniciation of words. If you don't then you may as well kiss the stars and stripes and call President Bush your leader. America only seeks to destroy native cultures and replace them with its own, filled with MacDonalds and episodes of Friends.

Do you think we want the Teletubies and Boombahs?

The British Colonies had heavy taxes put on them, and had their religious freedoms taken away. The tea tax was just the straw that broke the camels back. So we rebelled, and wrote your King George (who was insane and spoke German and not English, so he was English illiterate and someone had to translate for him) the Declaration of Independence.

So your country sent German Mercenaries after us, the Hessians, as well as your Red Coats. Nevertheless, every Minuteman answered the call and fought back for freedom and democracy against imperialism. Eventually your country got tired of shooting us and went home, hoping for better luck in Canada, Australia, or India. (Yeah, Gandhi kicked your butt too! Woo hoo! Go Gandhi!) :rolleyes:

Anyway we bailed your arses out for World War I and II, without so much as a "Thank You" from our allies.

Now your socialist system fails you, and you blame us? Excuse me, we stopped caring about your country in 1776. After 1776, it is your own fault and we have nothing to do with it. British citizens have a history of being Barbarians and I see that you've continued the tradition. Not having learned your lessons from the Roman Empire who owned you, nor having learned from mistakes your country made in bad diplomatic deals, and hundreds of years of royal inbreeding for your leaders. That inbreeding caused the big ears, bad teeth, and other things to happen.

I am related to William the Conqueror, and he took over your country so easily. Yes, he did own you Barbarians. Do not get me upset, or I shall repeat what my ancestor did and own you once again! I am also related to Vlad Tepes with one of my minor ancestors, so I can have you impaled on a Pike for speaking about me and my countrymen and countrywomen so badly. So do not tempt me!

Orion Blastar, Pirate President of District 268, and USA Citizen as well.

I can provide the figures that disprove your first point about taxation. There was virtually none in America.
King George III was born in England, spoke English and was English for all essential purposes.
1/3 of your nation were loyalist and fought against the rebels.
Gandhi had very little influence on the British decision to leave India. Ameirca did so by telling Britain: either you get rid of your empire or we'll raise the interest rates on those war loans we gave you (allies? ha)
Socialist? I dont think so somehow. We just give a damn about people in our society rather than letting them rot like in America where you have to be a millionaire to get into hospital.
Haven't been invaded since 1066.

Yes your right they had MP's in parliment, APPOINTED by the British, so they would have their way with the Irish people.

Only applies to Russia my ass, they used that tactic multiple times you can't go claiming they actually wanted your help, if they could have taken over England they would only had to worried about Russia, at that point the russians didn't care what the nazi's were doing the only reason they fought was because they were invaded. They would have all of Europe under their control, and then the african countries would drop like flies. so that would be the majority of the world, because they already had friendly relations with japan, who was busy conquering china, and most of the rest of asia. Which would leave the americas pretty much all by themselves.

Do you think we want the Teletubies and Boombahs?

Knowing the average intelligence level of most Americans, I would have thought the Teletubbies was on primetime every night.

Knowing the average intelligence level of most Americans, I would have thought the Teletubbies was on primetime every night.

There's a difference between stupidity and ignorance...please acknowledge that.

Listen,
As an american living in Puerto Rico I face criticsim of our country everyday. Saying we are anti-Brit is indeed quite a stretch. The way I and my Puerto Rican friend, who lived in Britian for 12 years, see it that the Brits are more elitist that America. Having travelled to London and other various places in the United Kingdom, I have experienced discrimination from many people. I feel that Britian, a power which was known for it's military power in the 1700s (may I correct British Glory, it was 1776) had it's well established ego were deeply bruised, and having rarely faced defeat, still take it to heart.

Thank you and Good Nite

I find it amusing you reply to easily defendable arguments rather than replying to those that acknowledge our mistakes and gives you advice.

Or are you another troll such as Nazi Weaponized Virus who would not dare to learn anything besides their own spoonfed self-assured propaganda?

This point is a little off topic. Someones running out of ammunition I take it. I fully accept some points against me on this post tonight: I accept that I have been too general and made some questionable points. As you may have noted I have accepted that using Ireland as an example was a mistake.

Do you think we want the Teletubies and Boombahs?

us brits have given the world more than that.

WHO GAVE THE WORLD RADAR: the british

WHO GAVE THE WORLD PENICILLIN: the british

WHO GAVE THE WORLD STEEL: The british

you yanks owe us more than you give us credit for

or do you just dislike us because we were the first nation in the modern world to create a fair and just political system in spite of your king?

however i will admit that our political system is corrupting

Sorry for replying to older post but

actually I say Haiti made the first real democracy, you know because they didn't have slavery unlike *cough The US cough*

What effect would you gauge there to be on your nations policies if the house of lords was directly elected?

Does the house of lord make policy, or do elected leaders make policy?
Who knows? Probably cautionary, but not necessarily so, depending on whether the balance of representation in the Lords favoured the government of the day or not. Also of course depends on what powers an elected House would have.

If it doesn't make significant policy, it's unnecessary as a legislative house. Which is not to say that many of its current functions of administration and review are not necessary, but they could be spun off.

If it does (and it does in so far as peers are members of the Government, in particular the cabinet), it should be elected. It certainly affects policy in that the drafting of bills is done with at least an eye on their passage or otherwise through the Lords.

i c so englightening. i think i have now reached nirvana. lol :D

The House of Lords can legislate but it will have to go through the House of Commons first and be voted on by the elected members of the House of Coomons. It is rare for a HoL legislation to come these days. Mostly the HoC deals with legislating.

again i feel so enlightened. I think i have reached Nirvana. Lol :D

As a Canadian, I agree with much of what you say. Sadly, calling modern americans murderers for the revelutionary war is like calling anyone who's german a nazi. it was over 200 years ago. get over it. Also, after living in Derry, N. Ireland for several years, I regretfully need to inform you that the British Empire, up to the latter half of the 20th century, was not as tollerant as you have been led to believe. Ever heard of Cromwell? Who told you that was exagerated? Another Tory Nationalist? Go figure....
Sadly, due to your ignorant, close-minded ranting, anything you say that DOES have a good point is washed of any and all credibility. Finally, do you really think you can throw 300,000,000 americans, or anyone, into the same catagory? Have you met all of them? read up on your semantics and stop judging things you know nothing about.

Pathetic, closed-minded Tory. Learn to educate yourself before trying to "educate" everyone else.

WHO GAVE THE WORLD RADAR: the british


Who gave the world radar? Well I can name several countries. Germany, Japan, Britain, possibly France, and the United States developed radar seperately and secretly. They all finished around the same time.

its hate like this, based off of stereotyping, that really fucks up our world. nice to know that you hate america so much rather than other countries that are a lot worse than us..

Who gave the world radar? Well I can name several countries. Germany, Japan, Britain, possibly France, and the United States developed radar seperately and secretly. They all finished around the same time.

that is tru too. ;)

Americans are anit British. All they can do is speak the usual, anti British rubbish that has been spewing forth from yankee mouths since the American War of Independence and it only reinforces my opinion that America, Americans and American culture are fundamentally anti British. Before I do begin I would like to make it clear that I am British and a full member of the Conservative Party. Thatshould stop any attempts to call me a socialist leftie. I have many examples to back this theory up so let us begin:.

I haven't heard anything bad said about Britain, even in classes when the Revolution is being taught.


World War Two: The American version of this war is like so: Europeans doomed to tyranny and oppression forever, heroic American GIs save the hopeless Europeans, hooray war ends.

Yes, some war films could be a bit more inclusive.

Finally, America showed absolutely no interest in helping Europe even once it was in the war. During the last two years, it was of absolute importance to secure as much of Europe from the Communist powers to the east. Churchill (a man with 44 years experience in the European political scene) told the Americans that they had to capture many parts of Europe in order to prevent Communist tyranny. He was ignored by the arrogant Americans and so all of Central Europe was sacrificed just so the Americans could run off back home. Central Europe would spend the next 60 years under the tyrannical rule of Communism thanks to America. Had they listened to Churchill, then most of Germany would have been saved. In their own selfish rush, the Americans created the most dangerous politcal situation for 40 years, as Soviet Russia had the run of nearly all of Europe. One last final point here: Americans still claim that they won the war all by themselves. To claim this is to spit on every British, French, Canadian, Polish and Russian wargrave.

Some have gone far enough to say that Roosevelt may have been a communist and that he wanted the Soviet Union to grab as much territory as he could let them. A famous communist by the name of Alger Hiss was with Roosevelt at the Yalta Conference. Roosevelt lovingly referred to Stalin as "Uncle Joe". And if it is not true, what do we owe Europe?

The British Empire: ... Slavery was non existent within the British Empire by 1850, having first been banned in 1806.

It is the fault of the British that there was slavery at all. I believe America banned the trading of slaves from Africa around 1801, and one man was even hung for disobeying the law.


American Cultural Invasion : Let me tell America what we don't want. We don't want you horrible, greasy fat food chains clogging our streets. We don't want your cheap, Hollywood propaganda films. We don't want your immoral television. We don't want a system of self interest in place of British social capitalism (a balance between socialism and capitalism, essentially a liberal state). In short we want our own cultures, free from American influence. The British Empire never went out to destroy cultures. In India, Christian missionaires were banned by the British and the Indian cultur was allowed to remain and flourish. Why have not the Welsh, Scottish or Irish cultures not disappeared? Because Britain is a tolerant nation. America is now using its super power status to invade our shores: not with troops but with their tainted and corrupt culture. To the people of Britain: say arse instead of ass, ensure you use the British pronuniciation of words. If you don't then you may as well kiss the stars and stripes and call President Bush your leader. America only seeks to destroy native cultures and replace them with its own, filled with MacDonalds and episodes of Friends.

Who is "We"? If you don't want it so badly, then why do you buy it? Ever hear of "voting with your dollars" (or pounds in this case)?


Well I would adivse all to read this before the admin ban it. Free speech, my arse. Just remember that American culture is based on self interest. I do not like Europe but at least the French and Germans have honour. I would rather ally myself with Europe than with dishonest, selfish, corrupt, unprincipled, hateful, dishonourable, treacherous America.[/QUOTE]

Appealing to sympathy? How childish! And besides, a Russian-born American philosopher once said that selfishness is a virtue.

Who gave the world radar? Well I can name several countries. Germany, Japan, Britain, possibly France, and the United States developed radar seperately and secretly. They all finished around the same time.

ah but we got the first prototype working and then sold it to you yanks which gave you your project so in essence we did give the world radar.

its hate like this, based off of stereotyping, that really fucks up our world. nice to know that you hate america so much rather than other countries that are a lot worse than us..
i know is it lovely. I wish we could all just along. Kumbaie my lord, Kumbaie, kumbaie my lord, kumbaie, Oh lord kumbaie, oh lord kumbaie.

As a Canadian, I agree with much of what you say. Sadly, calling modern americans murderers for the revelutionary war is like calling anyone who's german a nazi. it was over 200 years ago. get over it. Also, after living in Derry, N. Ireland for several years, I regretfully need to inform you that the British Empire, up to the latter half of the 20th century, was not as tollerant as you have been led to believe. Ever heard of Cromwell? Who told you that was exagerated? Another Tory Nationalist? Go figure....
Sadly, due to your ignorant, close-minded ranting, anything you say that DOES have a good point is washed of any and all credibility. Finally, do you really think you can throw 300,000,000 americans, or anyone, into the same catagory? Have you met all of them? read up on your semantics and stop judging things you know nothing about.

Pathetic, closed-minded Tory. Learn to educate yourself before trying to "educate" everyone else.

Thank you i agree with you on this one

us brits have given the world more than that.

WHO GAVE THE WORLD PENICILLIN: the british

you yanks owe us more than you give us credit for

uhh check your facts there, bud..i do believe that it was indeed DISCOVERED by a british man, but the british government refused to invest in it. so he went to america and america was the first to mass produce it.

This point is a little off topic. Someones running out of ammunition I take it. I fully accept some points against me on this post tonight: I accept that I have been too general and made some questionable points. As you may have noted I have accepted that using Ireland as an example was a mistake.
Off-topic, but totally relevant to your future reputation on NS if you want people to take you seriously ever again...

And I don't get what you mean by running out of ammunition. If you mean that I have no more points against you, your so wrong it's not even funny.

And I thank you for admitting some mistakes of yours, and I have noted the Irish example. Although please take note that the British aren't exactly angels of the world either. If people weren't so focused on America, you Brits would have explaining to do yourselves....but let's not get into that.


In the future, be open-minded about American culture and society. Hopefully your on your way to doing so. If not, I'll be seeing you a lot I'm sure.

As a Canadian, I agree with much of what you say. Sadly, calling modern americans murderers for the revelutionary war is like calling anyone who's german a nazi. it was over 200 years ago. get over it. Also, after living in Derry, N. Ireland for several years, I regretfully need to inform you that the British Empire, up to the latter half of the 20th century, was not as tollerant as you have been led to believe. Ever heard of Cromwell? Who told you that was exagerated? Another Tory Nationalist? Go figure....
Sadly, due to your ignorant, close-minded ranting, anything you say that DOES have a good point is washed of any and all credibility. Finally, do you really think you can throw 300,000,000 americans, or anyone, into the same catagory? Have you met all of them? read up on your semantics and stop judging things you know nothing about.

Pathetic, closed-minded Tory. Learn to educate yourself before trying to "educate" everyone else.

Tories have ran this country far better than any other party, socialist moron. Actually I would advise you to read Simon Schama's History of Britain Volume 2 where he demonstrates how exaggerated Cromwell''s actions were - and I can assure that he is not a Tory. Of course I doubt you will because from the looks of this reply, the last book you read was called Spot the Dog.

i know is it lovely. I wish we could all just along. Kumbaie my lord, Kumbaie, kumbaie my lord, kumbaie, Oh lord kumbaie, oh lord kumbaie.

I agree with this guy

Alright it wasnt a full democracy until 1868 but I think at that time the Americans were having a rather nasty war. About slavery, wasn't it? That Britain outlawed half a century earlier?

Considering how integral slavery had become to the American economy, fifty years' lag isn't nearly as bad as it could have been. Britain was able to outlaw slavery sooner because its more industrialized economy didn't need to be restructured to deal with abolition.

I don't hate 'America' I hate the American Government and the American media, who are Bush's lap dogs at the moment.

uhh check your facts there, bud..i do believe that it was indeed DISCOVERED by a british man, but the british government refused to invest in it. so he went to america and america was the first to mass produce it.

wrong again it was an AUSTRILAN who learnt to mass producied it at OXFORD learn your facts people.

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American Cultural Invasion : Let me tell America what we don't want. We don't want you horrible, greasy fat food chains clogging our streets. We don't want your cheap, Hollywood propaganda films. We don't want your immoral television. We don't want a system of self interest in place of British social capitalism (a balance between socialism and capitalism, essentially a liberal state). In short we want our own cultures, free from American influence. The British Empire never went out to destroy cultures. In India, Christian missionaires were banned by the British and the Indian cultur was allowed to remain and flourish. Why have not the Welsh, Scottish or Irish cultures not disappeared? Because Britain is a tolerant nation. America is now using its super power status to invade our shores: not with troops but with their tainted and corrupt culture. To the people of Britain: say arse instead of ass, ensure you use the British pronuniciation of words. If you don't then you may as well kiss the stars and stripes and call President Bush your leader. America only seeks to destroy native cultures and replace them with its own, filled with MacDonalds and episodes of Friends.



Who is "We"? If you don't want it so badly, then why do you buy it? Ever hear of "voting with your dollars" (or pounds in this case)?

My thoughts exactly.

I agree with this guy

im glad im not the only one :) Someone singing my lord kumbaie, kumbaie, Someone singing my lord kumbaie, kumbaie, Oh lord kumbaie, Oh lord kumbaie

Socialist moron. That's wonderful.

And does it really matter who discovered what? Not at all, because one person is not representative of an ethnic group/nationality.

I don't hate 'America' I hate the American Government and the American media, who are Bush's lap dogs at the moment.
I agree with you too and i'm an american (with strong irish back ground)

wrong again it was an AUSTRILAN who learnt to mass producied it at OXFORD learn your facts people.

nice try but go ahead and visit this site: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/timeline/penicillin.htm

Socialist moron. That's wonderful.

And does it really matter who discovered what? Not at all, because one person is not representative of an ethnic group/nationality.

That is an exteremly good point as you dont see Sophicles representing the greeks.

Back to the point of cultural invasion. Us brits cant shop at our own brand shopping chains because they are all owned by American corporations WE HAVE NO F***ING CHIOICE YOU MORIONS

Originally Posted by Mental lands
WHO GAVE THE WORLD RADAR: the british

If you want to argue that then WHO GAVE THE WORLD THE NUCLEAR BOMB: the americans.

And I hope you feel special that your country "gave the world radar", assuming they acutally did.

Back to the point of cultural invasion. Us brits cant shop at our own brand shopping chains because they are all owned by American corporations WE HAVE NO F***ING CHIOICE YOU MORIONS
i tought u wanted there to be peace not idiots bickering over nothing. :mad:

come on. lets be real. no one cares about britian on its tiny little island.

nice try but go ahead and visit this site: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/timeline/penicillin.htm

Ok so an amrican company mass produced it dose not mean the found it

If you want to argue that then WHO GAVE THE WORLD THE NUCLEAR BOMB: the americans.

And I hope you feel special that your country "gave the world radar", assuming they acutally did.

dude, thats not something to be proud of, but if we hadn't come out with it first some other moron would have sooner or later

If you want to argue that then WHO GAVE THE WORLD THE NUCLEAR BOMB: the americans.

And I hope you feel special that your country "gave the world radar", assuming they acutally did.

You should be glad. Because if we didn't, the Germans would have. Where do you think they would've used it? Sweden? Hah!

You sicken me. Seriously. Such bland, overly zealous, and overall stupid threads should be burned by hordes of evil mexicans wearing burrito hats.

Americans are ignorant of other cultures? LIEEEEE!!!!! Japanesse culture is popular amoung we gamers(y'know, those freaks who hide in the shadows paying GBA SP's and play PS2 and XBOX alot?), British Culture has ALWAYS been popular(remember the Beatles, anyone?), PLUS the United States is made up of more ethnic groups than any other nation in the WORLD!

Im an American, and i can tell that YOU are the MOST ignorant person on these forums(well, second only to Gigatron who hides in his basement plotting the fall of western civilization and a united facist state under his corrut dictatorship). I, for one, have lived in Pakistan, Mozambique, Bangladesh, Panama, the United States, and Zimbabwe. I know of all these cultures and i believe they are all cool. If YOU ever go to that many countries and live in each for at LEAST three years, then we can start about culture acceptance.

"Americans are Anti-british". WRONG! Sure, we are anti-british when it comes to the REVOLUTION and THE WAR OF 1812(we kicked your arse in both, but in the revolution we had help. In 1812 we won by ourselfs.), but modern-days? PFFT! That is the most sterotypical thing i have ever heard? Do you SERIOUSLY believe we are all idiotic fat slobbering baffoons who donated nothing to science? We discovered electricity, the lightbulb, the phone, the computer, video games, soda, nukes, airplanes, *goes on and on and on and on about American inventions.*

I have NOTHING against British people. I think they're awesome, i have MANY British friends(how can i not when i live in so many places?) I ALSO have many IRISH, PAKISTANI, MOZAMBIQUEN, BENGALI, and PANAMANIAN friends as well as american ones. Posts like this are hurtful, and these kinds of spiteful messages lead to the rise of hitler, so please stop. Its sad, stupid, and insulting, not to mention VERY bad for your reputation here.


I guess we should start calling you "Mini-Gigatron".

come on. lets be real. no one cares about britian on its tiny little island.
not tru im sure the brits do even thou it lot almost alli its power. ;)

Off-topic, but totally relevant to your future reputation on NS if you want people to take you seriously ever again...

And I don't get what you mean by running out of ammunition. If you mean that I have no more points against you, your so wrong it's not even funny.

And I thank you for admitting some mistakes of yours, and I have noted the Irish example. Although please take note that the British aren't exactly angels of the world either. If people weren't so focused on America, you Brits would have explaining to do yourselves....but let's not get into that.


In the future, be open-minded about American culture and society. Hopefully your on your way to doing so. If not, I'll be seeing you a lot I'm sure.

I am not too proud to take criticism nor so stupid as to ignore it. I have learned alot from this post tonight and I shall it use to refine my arguement in future. However as to me abadoning my arguement, i.e. American clutrue is fundamentally anti British , I doubt I ever will. I am not a politcal opportunist and I will not abadon my principles for the sake of pleasing people and their opinions.

[QUOTE=British Glory]
American Cultural Invasion : Let me tell America what we don't want. We don't want you horrible, greasy fat food chains clogging our streets. We don't want your cheap, Hollywood propaganda films. We don't want your immoral television. We don't want a system of self interest in place of British social capitalism (a balance between socialism and capitalism, essentially a liberal state). In short we want our own cultures, free from American influence. The British Empire never went out to destroy cultures. In India, Christian missionaires were banned by the British and the Indian cultur was allowed to remain and flourish. Why have not the Welsh, Scottish or Irish cultures not disappeared? Because Britain is a tolerant nation. America is now using its super power status to invade our shores: not with troops but with their tainted and corrupt culture. To the people of Britain: say arse instead of ass, ensure you use the British pronuniciation of words. If you don't then you may as well kiss the stars and stripes and call President Bush your leader. America only seeks to destroy native cultures and replace them with its own, filled with MacDonalds and episodes of Friends.
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Hey I guess the bold Black 'n Tans who killed hundreds of Irish freedom fighters were just a wee bit ornery because their momma' didn't love 'em. And as for the Indians WTF the British Empire not only invaded these people but placed such heavy taxation upon them that their economy was practically destroyed maybe you just had a bad day. And lastly OLIVER CROMWELL IS BURNING IN HELL!!!!!!! thank you and kiss my big Irish Arse.

I guess we should start calling you "Mini-Gigatron".
That cracked me up

Ok so an amrican company mass produced it dose not mean the found it

thats my point. the brit government refused to invest in it. besides, flemming found it on accident..not with the government's help..so you cant call it a british discovery.

I am not too proud to take criticism nor so stupid as to ignore it. I have learned alot from this post tonight and I shall it use to refine my arguement in future. However as to me abadoning my arguement, i.e. American clutrue is fundamentally anti British , I doubt I ever will. I am not a politcal opportunist and I will not abadon my principles for the sake of pleasing people and their opinions.
That's too bad. Because it's really fun hanging out here with all the people that use facts and don't make conclusions based on personal opinions and such. :)

To each to his own I guess.


*huge crowd of people waves to you in the background*

Americans are Anti-british". WRONG! Sure, we are anti-british when it comes to the REVOLUTION and THE WAR OF 1812(we kicked your arse in both, but in the revolution we had help. In 1812 we won by ourselfs.), but modern-days?

Won? We burnt down Washington D.C., defended Canada and beat Napoleonic France, your allies! There's another example of America always sideing with liberty. I hope you enjoyed your alliance with Napoleon, a dictator who crushed all democracy in his path.

I am not too proud to take criticism nor so stupid as to ignore it. I have learned alot from this post tonight and I shall it use to refine my arguement in future. However as to me abadoning my arguement, i.e. American clutrue is fundamentally anti British , I doubt I ever will. I am not a politcal opportunist and I will not abadon my principles for the sake of pleasing people and their opinions.

that is the point we r all different an d have different views, that makes us special and unquie. Some a little more special and some a little more unquie.
It would be stupid for us to say we all have to agree. But when it comes to causing wars over this is jus ridiculous. pardon spelling im typing fast.

[QUOTE=British Glory]
American Cultural Invasion : Let me tell America what we don't want. We don't want you horrible, greasy fat food chains clogging our streets. We don't want your cheap, Hollywood propaganda films. We don't want your immoral television. We don't want a system of self interest in place of British social capitalism (a balance between socialism and capitalism, essentially a liberal state). In short we want our own cultures, free from American influence. The British Empire never went out to destroy cultures. In India, Christian missionaires were banned by the British and the Indian cultur was allowed to remain and flourish. Why have not the Welsh, Scottish or Irish cultures not disappeared? Because Britain is a tolerant nation. America is now using its super power status to invade our shores: not with troops but with their tainted and corrupt culture. To the people of Britain: say arse instead of ass, ensure you use the British pronuniciation of words. If you don't then you may as well kiss the stars and stripes and call President Bush your leader. America only seeks to destroy native cultures and replace them with its own, filled with MacDonalds and episodes of Friends.
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Hey I guess the bold Black 'n Tans who killed hundreds of Irish freedom fighters were just a wee bit ornery because their momma' didn't love 'em. And as for the Indians WTF the British Empire not only invaded these people but placed such heavy taxation upon them that their economy was practically destroyed maybe you just had a bad day. And lastly OLIVER CROMWELL IS BURNING IN HELL!!!!!!! thank you and kiss my big Irish Arse.
ic u havent lost ur ambition. :D

*Points to the sky*

Its a bird, its a plane...no wait its just a bird.

*Glances down*

Ahhhhhh crap, and theres some dirty troll making a stupid post.

*Glances at record of poster*

Oh never mind, its just one of the less easily recognized members of the "Our Country is the Best, and here is my Uninformed opinion about why that is True!"

THE WAR OF 1812(we kicked your arse in both, but in the revolution we had help. In 1812 we won by ourselfs.), but modern-days?
Really now....I had thought that the British government would've exploited such a victory and have taken over America again.

*checks flag*

Nope, still 13 stripes and 50 stars. Huh, I guess our two governments worked together a treaty of some sort...



I hope you feel happy that you burned down the capitol of a country that was only 36 years declared independent. Especially since the same country still kept fighting even after the war was over.

Americans are Anti-british". WRONG! Sure, we are anti-british when it comes to the REVOLUTION and THE WAR OF 1812(we kicked your arse in both, but in the revolution we had help. In 1812 we won by ourselfs.), but modern-days?

Won? We burnt down Washington D.C., defended Canada and beat Napoleonic France, your allies! There's another example of America always sideing with liberty. I hope you enjoyed your alliance with Napoleon, a dictator who crushed all democracy in his path.

ALLIANCE WITH NAPOLEAN?!?!? *TLS laughs so hard he nearly dies*

Napolean DETESTED Us! He did jack shit in helping us, and you only say he was our ally because he was fighting a war at the EXACT Same time.

Of course, i have found your weakness. I notice how you didnt respond to my OTHER paragraphs. Thats why im not going to writ emore because it will fuel your Gigatronism(or anti-americansim)

*Points to the sky*

Its a bird, its a plane...no wait its just a bird.

*Glances down*

Ahhhhhh crap, and theres some dirty troll making a stupid post.

*Glances at record of poster*

Oh never mind, its just one of the less easily recognized members of the "Our Country is the Best, and here is my Uninformed opinion about why that is True!"

Uninformed? My opinions have facts to back the up, ask for them and I can provide them.

Really now....I had thought that the British government would've exploited such a victory and have taken over America again.

*checks flag*

Nope, still 13 stripes and 50 stars. Huh, I guess our two governments worked together a treaty of some sort...

That was my post he was referring too...

ALLIANCE WITH NAPOLEAN?!?!? *TLS laughs so hard he nearly dies*

Napolean DETESTED Us! He did jack shit in helping us, and you only say he was our ally because he was fighting a war at the EXACT Same time.

Of course, i have found your weakness. I notice how you didnt respond to my OTHER paragraphs. Thats why im not going to writ emore because it will fuel your Gigatronism(or anti-americansim)

Umm, no America signed an alliance with him. Believe me, the Napoleonic War is one area of history I have studied in depth.

American Betrayal : First off, it started in 1773, not 1786. Secondly, have you heard of the intolerable acts? It wasn't about tea. Read YOUR history books.

World War Two: WWII was not won by America, it was won by Russia. America entered the war after Pearl Harbor only because FDR though that the American people would be outraged if we entered before we were attacked. Before Pearl Harbor, FDR had given millions of dollars and supplies to Great Britain and France. Again, read YOUR history books.

The British Empire: I'm curious as to why you believe the British Empire was a good thing. If you look at most conflicts in the world, they were caused by England's divvying of the world into managable areas. Iraq comes to mind. Pakistan and India. There are more. Also, I'd like to see your sources about "Yank Historians" calling the revolutionary war the end of the British Empire. Most will attribute that to WWI and WWII.

American Cultural Invasion : If America's cultural invasion is so terrible, why is it happening. It IS possible to resist foreign work forces. However, the fact that the majority of "American products" are made in Asian factories probably wouldn't interest you.

If you want to argue that then WHO GAVE THE WORLD THE NUCLEAR BOMB: the americans.


Not a good point because the Americans are the only country that have used them to "secure piece" while the Japanese where offering peace negotiations. They only did it to show the Russian that they had the guts to do it. THE AMIRCANS ARE THE REAL TEROIRIST. They claim to be liberating countries when they are actuating invading non corporative countries to so that they are more corporative. the Taliban and Sadam Husain did not corporate with America so there countries were invaded to make way for a more US friendly government. Who's Next! Iran, North Korea or maybe even china. Its been happening since world war 2 with Japan as an example and there many US bases. WHY stop now!

That was my post he was referring too...
yeah I know but a lot of good posts are overlooked by this guy.

Americans are anit British. All they can do is speak the usual, anti British rubbish that has been spewing forth from yankee mouths since the American War of Independence and it only reinforces my opinion that America, Americans and American culture are fundamentally anti British. Before I do begin I would like to make it clear that I am British and a full member of the Conservative Party. Thatshould stop any attempts to call me a socialist leftie. I have many examples to back this theory up so let us begin:

American Betrayal : Yes I know it happened in 1786 but in my opinion it is still relevant to today. This so called war against tyranny (ha!) began over a tiny amount of tax on tea. Americans already lived in a virtually tax free zone, far more tax free than Motherland Britain. And why did we place this tax on tea? So that we could pay for defences around the American colonies! Their so called "War of Liberty" on us was little more than a scam. The rich Americans, unhappy at this tiny bit of tax eating away at their already massive profits, roused the rabble using their false words. Replace "liberty" with "greed" and "freedom" with "slavery" and I think you have the jist of the American War of Independece. In films like the Patriot, the British are accused of massive war crimes. I can tell you now as a historian that the only war crimes during that entire war were inflicted by American rebels on loyal British citizens. As to an entire nation being united against Britain? Ha. One of third of all Americans were loyalist and they were forced to flee by the vindicative rebels after the war finished. The American War of Independece was not about liberty for all: it was about liberty for the fat, slave owning plantation owners and that is still the way that America runs today. My main point here is from the birth of their nation, the Americans have been fundamentally anti British. They stabbed their own motherland in the back and drove the knife in deep. For that they should NEVER be forgiven. The American nation is a nation of traitors. They murdered British soldiers and are therefore murders. They have British blood on their hands. This war set out the fundamental beliefs of America. Self interest is their fundamental belief and self interest has never been high on the British agenda.

World War Two: The American version of this war is like so: Europeans doomed to tyranny and oppression forever, heroic American GIs save the hopeless Europeans, hooray war ends. This can be seen in any number of their history books and their films (like Saving Private Ryan for example). That story is a lie. The reason America came into the war wasn't to preserve liberty and freedom, far from it. They were happy enough to let Europe go to hell so long as THEY werent attacked. The only reason they came into World War Two was to protect their own backsides when the Japanese attacked them at Pearl Harbour. Not at all like the British who entered to defend Polish liberites and the peace of Europe. Britain never had to go to war: it is doubtful that Hitler would have attacked us due to his deep respect for Britain and its Empire. Britain could have pulled out of he war at any time: the Germans were constantly offering us favourable terms of peace that would allow us to preserve most of our Empire. But no! Britain kept on fighting for what it believed in. We didn't fight out of self interest: our self interest was with peace. That shows the fundamental difference between Americans and British. Britain fight for principles, Americans fight for themselves. When they finally entered the war, a great deal of work was already done. Montgomery had won at Alamein in North Africa. The Battle of Britain was won. The Russians were beginning to push the Nazis back. The Americans did provide a large number of troops for D Day thats true but remember that 2 out of 5 beaches were British beaches and 1 of the others was a mixed Candanian/Britishg force. But do they get a mention in any of their Hollywood propaganda? NO. Were we to believe Private Ryan then we would believe that America won World War Two all by itself. Finally, America showed absolutely no interest in helping Europe even once it was in the war. During the last two years, it was of absolute importance to secure as much of Europe from the Communist powers to the east. Churchill (a man with 44 years experience in the European political scene) told the Americans that they had to capture many parts of Europe in order to prevent Communist tyranny. He was ignored by the arrogant Americans and so all of Central Europe was sacrificed just so the Americans could run off back home. Central Europe would spend the next 60 years under the tyrannical rule of Communism thanks to America. Had they listened to Churchill, then most of Germany would have been saved. In their own selfish rush, the Americans created the most dangerous politcal situation for 40 years, as Soviet Russia had the run of nearly all of Europe. One last final point here: Americans still claim that they won the war all by themselves. To claim this is to spit on every British, French, Canadian, Polish and Russian wargrave.

The British Empire: One point to start my ranting: the American Revolution was not "the funeral toll of the British Empire" as so many Yank historians believe. The British Empire went on for over 150 years after the American Revolution so I would hardly call it a funeral. The British Empire (contary to Yank propaganda) was actually the most liberal empire ever seen on the face of the earth (and I consider it far more liberal than the American Empire currently in creation). Slavery was non existent within the British Empire by 1850, having first been banned in 1806. Members of the colonies were not surpressed by the British Army as the British Army was too small to enact such a large scale act of oppression. With British technology and British money and British expertise, once backwards nations were turned into industrial power houses. In the space of a century, India turned from a squabbling bunch of princedoms into a united, advanced and well governed country with an intact education system, transport system, indutrial infrastructure and civil service, all of which were set up by the British Empire. India today is a super power thanks to the legacy left to them by the British. And all being said done it was better that the British (a liberal democracy) gained control of these places than the Japanses, Germans or Italians. But America saw this Empire as a threat and so took the first opportunity offered to it to destroy it. Using its global power status, it forced Britain out of the Empire, leaving the good work unfinished. The Americans forced the British out in such a rush that the British had to come up with implausible and unworkable plans for their departure. Once again America had acted out of self interest in the disguise of liberty.

American Cultural Invasion : Let me tell America what we don't want. We don't want you horrible, greasy fat food chains clogging our streets. We don't want your cheap, Hollywood propaganda films. We don't want your immoral television. We don't want a system of self interest in place of British social capitalism (a balance between socialism and capitalism, essentially a liberal state). In short we want our own cultures, free from American influence. The British Empire never went out to destroy cultures. In India, Christian missionaires were banned by the British and the Indian cultur was allowed to remain and flourish. Why have not the Welsh, Scottish or Irish cultures not disappeared? Because Britain is a tolerant nation. America is now using its super power status to invade our shores: not with troops but with their tainted and corrupt culture. To the people of Britain: say arse instead of ass, ensure you use the British pronuniciation of words. If you don't then you may as well kiss the stars and stripes and call President Bush your leader. America only seeks to destroy native cultures and replace them with its own, filled with MacDonalds and episodes of Friends.

Well I would adivse all to read this before the admin ban it. Free speech, my arse. Just remember that American culture is based on self interest. I do not like Europe but at least the French and Germans have honour. I would rather ally myself with Europe than with dishonest, selfish, corrupt, unprincipled, hateful, dishonourable, treacherous America.

A correction in your assumptions! Pardon my saying, But it was not because the tea was over taxed, it was because Britain was expecting the colonies to pay for the war going on in Europe! Also because of the French and Indian War that happened in the Ohio Valley. They complained that "Taxation without representation was tyranny." One person even said betraying britain was tyranny, but someone then replied, "If this be tyranny, then make most of it!" Colonists believed it was unfair to be taxed because Britain was 300 miles away and did not know what America needed! Britain protested that they had representatives that represented the colonies, but they were not from the colonies so they could not help. Also the tea tax was not the only tax that was out of line. There was also the Quartering Act, a law that required colonists to feed and house soilders, the stamp act, a law that made you buy stamps, which were a silver coin (a very rare item in the colonies), to make sure the document, letter, marriage license, OR W/E, had passed all taxes, last but most certainly not least, there was the Declaratory Act, which King George 3 made to give Parliament complete power over the colonies without their consent. The "Boston Tea Party" was a result of all these things, which was an idea made up by the "Boston Observers" whos leader was Samuel Adams. The "Boston Observers" were a smaller branch off of the Liberty tree, which was the emblem of all "Whigs" at that time. I think that if you are going to complain about a country than you should at least get your facts right.

Napoleonic War is one area of history I have studied in depth.
And it shows OH SO much. :)

If you want to argue that then WHO GAVE THE WORLD THE NUCLEAR BOMB: the americans.

And I hope you feel special that your country "gave the world radar", assuming they acutally did.

A bomb that killed thousands of innocent people? You feel proud about that?

Hey ass-jack:
Here are some facts for ya.
1: Lend lease, read about it. A clue--WWII info, in a history book.
2: From British history ( which I study), GB was with in 3 weeks of starvation during the blitz in 1940. Only AMERICAN food kept them alive.
3: You may have burned DC, but we still won the war.

For the record, I am not anti anything. Just some points to make. I f you don't like Americans or our country, that is fine. Don't expect many people to take your side. Except for the "enlightened" Europeans who are more intrested in antiquity than the real world.

Last point: where do you think Americans learned to do things like keep slaves and oppress whole cultures? Our forefathers, the BRITISH.

A bomb that killed thousands of innocent people? You feel proud about that?
And saved thousands more and stopped a superpower in its tracks. Yes, it's a proud victory. Not a morally proud thing, but still.

America did NOT sign an alliance with Napoleon, unless you consider the Louisiana Purchase an alliance. In which case you would be a moron.

Americans are Anti-british". WRONG! Sure, we are anti-british when it comes to the REVOLUTION and THE WAR OF 1812(we kicked your arse in both, but in the revolution we had help. In 1812 we won by ourselfs.), but modern-days?

Won? We burnt down Washington D.C., defended Canada and beat Napoleonic France, your allies! There's another example of America always sideing with liberty. I hope you enjoyed your alliance with Napoleon, a dictator who crushed all democracy in his path.
You are basing this off of hate from over 200 years ago, I don't think it really matters anymore. I do agree with you that most americans are complete jackass's inculding myself, just look at our president. But you can't go blaming a countrys people for shit that happened over 200 years ago and call them "traitors", and who cares if the US broke away from Great Britain, its done and over with. So shut up, idiot. And last time I checked the tories did NOT run Great Britain very well.
On a Side note
America Provided the World with:
1st Microprocessor
1st Hard Drive
1st GUI Based Operating System
1st Powered Flight
1st Nuclear Reactor
1st Nuclear Bomb, maybe not such a good thing.
And the 1st Internet
The TCI/IP Prorotcal the whole internet is based on.

yeah I know but a lot of good posts are overlooked by this guy.

I reply to the ones that catch my attention with their intelligence, outrageousness or argumentative style.

And saved thousands more and stopped a superpower in its tracks. Yes, it's a proud victory. Not a morally proud thing, but still.


Like I said Japan was offering peace negotiations before they were dropped. Millions died for nothing. I know I study WW2

I reply to the ones that catch my attention with their intelligence, outrageousness or argumentative style.

*defenestrates you*

America did NOT sign an alliance with Napoleon, unless you consider the Louisiana Purchase an alliance. In which case you would be a moron.

America fought along side him and called him an ally, which seems a perfectly good arguement to me.

A correction in your assumptions! Pardon my saying, But it was not because the tea was over taxed, it was because Britain was expecting the colonies to pay for the war going on in Europe! Also because of the French and Indian War that happened in the Ohio Valley. They complained that "Taxation without representation was tyranny." One person even said betraying britain was tyranny, but someone then replied, "If this be tyranny, then make most of it!" Colonists believed it was unfair to be taxed because Britain was 300 miles away and did not know what America needed! Britain protested that they had representatives that represented the colonies, but they were not from the colonies so they could not help. Also the tea tax was not the only tax that was out of line. There was also the Quartering Act, a law that required colonists to feed and house soilders, the stamp act, a law that made you buy stamps, which were a silver coin (a very rare item in the colonies), to make sure the document, letter, marriage license, OR W/E, had passed all taxes, last but most certainly not least, there was the Declaratory Act, which King George 3 made to give Parliament complete power over the colonies without their consent. The "Boston Tea Party" was a result of all these things, which was an idea made up by the "Boston Observers" whos leader was Samuel Adams. The "Boston Observers" were a smaller branch off of the Liberty tree, which was the emblem of all "Whigs" at that time. I think that if you are going to complain about a country than you should at least get your facts right.


Read this you british bastard and learn the facts about the tea

It is actually quite true what most of British Glory has said. The Americans only entered WWII because Pearl Harbour was attacked and they were fearful of more such attacks.

However, far from being the maniacs or heroes that people have made out Americans to be in this thread, Americans are actually generally fairly nice, ordinary people. Oh sure, you'll get those randoms who really aren't worth having anything to do with, but don't you always?

No, it's the American Administration that I'm not happy with. So far, we have been dragged into Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq (twice). They have failed to respond quickly enough to dire situations such as WWII, had virtually nothing to do with WWI, and the aforementioned campaigns in South-East Asia and the Middle East so far appear to have been out of self-interest and fear, but since I have not got any information to confirm that kind of stuff, I won't comment on it.

One other thing really does bug me though. What right do they have to tell the rest of the world that we can't have nuclear weapons when they have lots of them themselves? It's this kind of hypocrisy that annoys people like me.

Just remember: Vote 1 anything other than Bush.

Everyone, if come up with how to defeat him!

All we have to do is talk about things that we KNOW are true! Like remember my post where it was all about he was more ignorant than anyone else here and that i am WAAAAYY more tolerant than him because 1, im not dissin anyones country and 2, because i have lived in more countries than him(and maybe everyone else, but not sure) and i know about more cultures? Just attack him on the idealistic front! Thats his weakness!

or do you just dislike us because we were the first nation in the modern world to create a fair and just political system in spite of your king?

however i will admit that our political system is corrupting


The ancient Greeks came up wit the idea of democracy way before your evil empire did, the word democracy is also derived from the ancient Greek language.

Read this you british bastard and learn the facts about the tea

ok tea is a herb which is growen in many parts of the world and is used in severly herbal remidys and is drunk as a popular drink

Sources. Now.

ok tea is a herb which is growen in many parts of the world and is used in severly herbal remidys and is drunk as a popular drink


I was talking about the tea tax you moron -_-

America fought along side him and called him an ally, which seems a perfectly good arguement to me.

"WE fought with him?" Last i checked, we were too busy fighting british soldiers who were burning our cities to the ground than too go send our army to go fight the Russians and the British in the Nile...

Number 1: Anti British? I'm not sure where you get that. We just dont know much about Britain. We are too caught up in our own crap to care. Hell most people in America couldn't name a few provinces in Canada let alone the capital of half the states in America.

Number 2: Dont say Britain went into the wars to help Poland. Not true. Why would they care about Poland? The only reason to ever go to war is money. Revolutions are about money, Civil Wars are about money, and general lets go invade some country is about money. Even all the dumb wars America fought over "Communism" were about money.

Number 3: Americanization of the world. Well that is unfortunately a product of money. We expand so we can make more, drop more crap into your pocket and so on. You reap the expanded waist lines and convenience of crap cuz thats how we invaded, well legally. Think of us as missionaries of crap.

*defenestrates you*

wowers someone either took latin or knows a lot of english words.

lol

Just attack him on the idealistic front! Thats his weakness!
If you do he just ignores you

Americans are Anti-british". WRONG! Sure, we are anti-british when it comes to the REVOLUTION and THE WAR OF 1812(we kicked your arse in both, but in the revolution we had help. In 1812 we won by ourselfs.), but modern-days?

Won? We burnt down Washington D.C., defended Canada and beat Napoleonic France, your allies! There's another example of America always sideing with liberty. I hope you enjoyed your alliance with Napoleon, a dictator who crushed all democracy in his path.
Wow. You (and by you I mean people who lived in England 200 years ago) burned our capital. I guess that's a small moral victory considering WE STILL WON THE F**KING WAR!!!

Well I must say people of all nations, you have certainly done my job for me.

This could have been a post consigned to the dump due to unpopularity. Then you would have sunk my arguments as no one would have heard them.

As it is, you have all responded with the indignant fury I expected. So therefore this post has 9 pages in under an hour of its posting and I have made my name as a poster on the forums. Well done all.

I expect by tommorow that this will have already reached huge proportions and so my views will be heard by many. Also by tommorow there will be Brits online who will hopefully agree with me. Believe me, I am not the only one who dislikes America in my country. It has reached such a level that the main opposition party here has announced a policy of not sucking up to America in order to grab the popular vote.

So thanks all for making me such a success. I will answer as many replies as possible but by tommorow there may be too many!

Won? We burnt down Washington D.C., defended Canada and beat Napoleonic France, your allies! There's another example of America always sideing with liberty. I hope you enjoyed your alliance with Napoleon, a dictator who crushed all democracy in his path.
Hmmm...We didn't win the war of 1812? Wow, news to me. So...if we lost...why exactly are we still our own nation? And on Napoleon, ofcourse he sucked, but so did Stalin, you who (as did we) sided with. Sometimes you're required to take the "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" stance in wars. It seriously sucks, but it's a nessecity sometimes.

Agh!!! Im...being...sucked..into...a....troll....

I must try to escape!

/TLS tries to escape the anti-us troll by running away/

/unfortunatly, a giant troll(who just so happens to be wearing a Union-jack lioncloth) pulls him back in./


NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

A correction in your assumptions! Pardon my saying, But it was not because the tea was over taxed, it was because Britain was expecting the colonies to pay for the war going on in Europe! Also because of the French and Indian War that happened in the Ohio Valley. They complained that "Taxation without representation was tyranny." One person even said betraying britain was tyranny, but someone then replied, "If this be tyranny, then make most of it!" Colonists believed it was unfair to be taxed because Britain was 300 miles away and did not know what America needed! Britain protested that they had representatives that represented the colonies, but they were not from the colonies so they could not help. Also the tea tax was not the only tax that was out of line. There was also the Quartering Act, a law that required colonists to feed and house soilders, the stamp act, a law that made you buy stamps, which were a silver coin (a very rare item in the colonies), to make sure the document, letter, marriage license, OR W/E, had passed all taxes, last but most certainly not least, there was the Declaratory Act, which King George 3 made to give Parliament complete power over the colonies without their consent. The "Boston Tea Party" was a result of all these things, which was an idea made up by the "Boston Observers" whos leader was Samuel Adams. The "Boston Observers" were a smaller branch off of the Liberty tree, which was the emblem of all "Whigs" at that time. I think that if you are going to complain about a country than you should at least get your facts right.

Read it

wowers someone either took latin or knows a lot of english words.

lol

Hehehe. I'm just an afficionado of all things odd. ANd it's a pleasantly odd word. :)

And for the record, only two good things ever came out of England. America, and Shaun of the Dead. Shaun of the Dead was a distant second.

What about the Beatles?

Number 1: Anti British? I'm not sure where you get that. We just dont know much about Britain. We are too caught up in our own crap to care. Hell most people in America couldn't name a few provinces in Canada let alone the capital of half the states in America.

You got that right ever American I meet only knows about 1 British city LODON. That’s why when I tell them I’m from Portsmouth they immediately think I’m from the one in America.

Well I must say people of all nations, you have certainly done my job for me.

This could have been a post consigned to the dump due to unpopularity. Then you would have sunk my arguments as no one would have heard them.

As it is, you have all responded with the indignant fury I expected. So therefore this post has 9 pages in under an hour of its posting and I have made my name as a poster on the forums. Well done all.

I expect by tommorow that this will have already reached huge proportions and so my views will be heard by many. Also by tommorow there will be Brits online who will hopefully agree with me. Believe me, I am not the only one who dislikes America in my country. It has reached such a level that the main opposition party here has announced a policy of not sucking up to America in order to grab the popular vote.

So thanks all for making me such a success. I will answer as many replies as possible but by tommorow there may be too many!


Ok, Mr., we have found your weakness. You dont respond to our posts which are based on TRUE moral ground, and you only reply to posts that use facts which you didnt learn in "Piss-off americans" college!

And saved thousands more and stopped a superpower in its tracks. Yes, it's a proud victory. Not a morally proud thing, but still.

But they were going to have a conditional surrender through the Russians anyway.

What about the Beatles?

The Beatles? A very very very distant third

The Beatles? A very very very distant third

Unfortunately, the wrong two Beatles died first. :(

You got that right ever American I meet only knows about 1 British city LODON. That’s why when I tell them I’m from Portsmouth they immediately think I’m from the one in America.

I know of Manchester, and York, and Portsmouth, and Glasgow, and Edinburough, and ALL these other places!

Oh, and BTW-i have been to Britain(well, ive been to heathrow on my frequent cross-world journies to Dubai and Pakistan), so im not one of the Ignorant foosl you speak of.

I have come to warn you, pull out of this thread NOW or you will join the Legions of Gigatron, which is ultimatly despised by 99.7% of the NS forums(well, at least by the smart, truthful, and wise posters that is.)

Unfortunately, the wrong two Beatles died first. :(

Precisly why its a distant third... a very very very distant third

You got that right ever American I meet only knows about 1 British city LODON. That’s why when I tell them I’m from Portsmouth they immediately think I’m from the one in America.

They should at least know Plymouth and Liverpool too.

Though if they are from the Northeast(MD,PA, NY, NJ and New England) they should know most of the English towns by association

A correction in your assumptions! Pardon my saying, But it was not because the tea was over taxed, it was because Britain was expecting the colonies to pay for the war going on in Europe! Also because of the French and Indian War that happened in the Ohio Valley. They complained that "Taxation without representation was tyranny." One person even said betraying britain was tyranny, but someone then replied, "If this be tyranny, then make most of it!" Colonists believed it was unfair to be taxed because Britain was 300 miles away and did not know what America needed! Britain protested that they had representatives that represented the colonies, but they were not from the colonies so they could not help. Also the tea tax was not the only tax that was out of line. There was also the Quartering Act, a law that required colonists to feed and house soilders, the stamp act, a law that made you buy stamps, which were a silver coin (a very rare item in the colonies), to make sure the document, letter, marriage license, OR W/E, had passed all taxes, last but most certainly not least, there was the Declaratory Act, which King George 3 made to give Parliament complete power over the colonies without their consent. The "Boston Tea Party" was a result of all these things, which was an idea made up by the "Boston Observers" whos leader was Samuel Adams. The "Boston Observers" were a smaller branch off of the Liberty tree, which was the emblem of all "Whigs" at that time. I think that if you are going to complain about a country than you should at least get your facts right.

The problem here is that they do not tell them those things in british history classes. They just tell them how ungratefull the rest of the world was. And how the perfict royal empire was, doing nothing but good though out the whole world. Which is pure bullshit!!! Britan sent it armys out to try and take over the world.

They got there arses kick left and right by the Europeans Nations so they had to find weaker targets to pick on. That is the real reason that Brittion started colonizing the world.

iLock pending Moderator review.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Sadly, due to your ignorant, close-minded ranting, anything you say that DOES have a good point is washed of any and all credibility. Finally, do you really think you can throw 300,000,000 americans, or anyone, into the same catagory? Have you met all of them? read up on your semantics and stop judging things you know nothing about.

Pathetic, closed-minded Tory. Learn to educate yourself before trying to "educate" everyone else.
Inauspicious Obolisks: Official Warning - Flamebaiting.

Tories have ran this country far better than any other party, socialist moron. Actually I would advise you to read Simon Schama's History of Britain Volume 2 where he demonstrates how exaggerated Cromwell''s actions were - and I can assure that he is not a Tory. Of course I doubt you will because from the looks of this reply, the last book you read was called Spot the Dog.
British Glory: Official Warning - Flaming and Flamebaiting.

Back to the point of cultural invasion. Us brits cant shop at our own brand shopping chains because they are all owned by American corporations WE HAVE NO F***ING CHIOICE YOU MORIONS
Mental lands: Official Warning - Flaming.

come on. lets be real. no one cares about britian on its tiny little island.
Knock it off. If I have to deal with you again, then it will be an official warning.

Hey I guess the bold Black 'n Tans who killed hundreds of Irish freedom fighters were just a wee bit ornery because their momma' didn't love 'em. And as for the Indians WTF the British Empire not only invaded these people but placed such heavy taxation upon them that their economy was practically destroyed maybe you just had a bad day. And lastly OLIVER CROMWELL IS BURNING IN HELL!!!!!!! thank you and kiss my big Irish Arse.
Camel Eaters: Official Warning - Flamebaiting.

That's too bad. Because it's really fun hanging out here with all the people that use facts and don't make conclusions based on personal opinions and such.

To each to his own I guess.


*huge crowd of people waves to you in the background*
You're not helping.

Hey ass-jack:
Here are some facts for ya.
1: Lend lease, read about it. A clue--WWII info, in a history book.
2: From British history ( which I study), GB was with in 3 weeks of starvation during the blitz in 1940. Only AMERICAN food kept them alive.
3: You may have burned DC, but we still won the war.

For the record, I am not anti anything. Just some points to make. I f you don't like Americans or our country, that is fine. Don't expect many people to take your side. Except for the "enlightened" Europeans who are more intrested in antiquity than the real world.

Last point: where do you think Americans learned to do things like keep slaves and oppress whole cultures? Our forefathers, the BRITISH.
Poon-gri-la: Official Warning - Flaming.

*defenestrates you*
Knock it off or I'm going to construe this as threatening another Player. That usually gets a forumban.

Ok, Mr., we have found your weakness. You dont respond to our posts which are based on TRUE moral ground, and you only reply to posts that use facts which you didnt learn in "Piss-off americans" college!
The Lightning Star: Official Warning - Flamebaiting.

...

Now, this thread, in-and-of-itself, may constitute trolling. However, I will leave that determination to another Moderator. For now, "British Glory", let it be understood that you are being watched.

This thread shall remain locked unless another Moderator sees fit to do otherwise.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
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