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Saw this on FoxNews.

WASHINGTON — A U.S. soldier is coming forward Friday to say a team from the 3rd Infantry Division took about 200 tons of explosives from an Iraqi military facility soon after Saddam Hussein's regime fell last year.

The soldier will appear before reporters at noon, EDT. The briefing will be shown on the FOX News Channel.

The announcement is the latest twist in the mystery over what happened to 377 tons of explosives that the International Atomic Energy Agency said had disappeared.

Full Story at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137017,00.html

Anyone seeing this in other news outlets?

Awaits the FoxNews haters to rear their ugly heads.

So it was
(1.) Saddam moving it before invasion; or
(2.) Russians moving it before invasion via Syria; or
(3.) Thieving US after invasion; or
(4.) Smart Al Quaida after invasion; or
(5.) Saddam loyalists moving it after invasion

What's FOX raving on about this time? Wasn't it supposed to be the UN, or the Communists? :headbang: :p

Wow.. that should prove to be embarrassing for the American people.

Wow.. that should prove to be embarrassing for the American people.
But surely not more than Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay or the Iraq war in general. The entire thing shows the arrogance of the Americans and their constant failures show how inept their "commander-in-chief" is. Comes with having a shrub as president hahaha.

So it was
(1.) Saddam moving it before invasion; or
(2.) Russians moving it before invasion via Syria; or
(3.) Thieving US after invasion; or
(4.) Smart Al Quaida after invasion; or
(5.) Saddam loyalists moving it after invasion
Or a variety of differenet possibilities. I take Bush's position, we don't know enough about it to say with certainty what happened to the explosives. A variety of possibilities have been presented and are being explored. Well, explored by those who don't already know that it was caused by Bush's incompetence (I assume devine knowledge revealed to them).

Then there's this video of the 101st, when all the stuff was still there.
http://kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1

Wow.. that should prove to be embarrassing for the American people.

Why should we be embarassed?

You can't embrass the American people they have no dignity left.

You can't embrass the American people they have no dignity left.
:rolleyes:

Wasn't it supposed to be the UN, or the Communists? :headbang: :p
If you watched fox closely, youd realise that they are one and the same

So it was
(1.) Saddam moving it before invasion; or
(2.) Russians moving it before invasion via Syria; or
(3.) Thieving US after invasion; or
(4.) Smart Al Quaida after invasion; or
(5.) Saddam loyalists moving it after invasion
All of these news reports came from the various media outlets.
(1) Not Proven or Dis-Proven.
(2) Pretty much Dis-Proven. Unless some hard evidence shows up.
(3) Not Proven or Dis-Proven. (You mean the 3rd infantry taking them?)
(4) Not Proven or Dis-Proven.
(5) Not Proven or Dis-Proven.


Or a variety of differenet possibilities. I take Bush's position, we don't know enough about it to say with certainty what happened to the explosives. A variety of possibilities have been presented and are being explored.
Exactly.

Well, explored by those who don't already know that it was caused by Bush's incompetence (I assume devine knowledge revealed to them).
Opinion. Which I disagree with.

Either way I'm waiting for an Army commander to step forward and tell us yes or no.

Or a variety of differenet possibilities. I take Bush's position, we don't know enough about it to say with certainty what happened to the explosives. A variety of possibilities have been presented and are being explored. Well, explored by those who don't already know that it was caused by Bush's incompetence (I assume devine knowledge revealed to them).
Does anyone else find this ironic? That Bush is asking for calm and rationality? That he's telling us to wait until more indepth and better information can be uncovered. That we shouldn't be making any rash statements or decisions until then (or at least til Nov 3rd)?
Cup of irony tea anybody?

But surely not more than Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay or the Iraq war in general. The entire thing shows the arrogance of the Americans and their constant failures show how inept their "commander-in-chief" is. Comes with having a shrub as president hahaha.

I don't think that's fair. I could take jabs at your Chancellor, about him changes wives more often than I do socks; I could joke that you're part of the corrupt and bribed coalition of European do-nothings; or I could even point out the PDS(SED), which I could slur as being communists, and the REP-DVU which I could also generalize as Neo-Nazis (mainly pointing out the fact that the PDS have a substantial--substantial for a minority party--voice in the Bundestag).

I respect the right of your state to do what it desires without crass attacks and I hope that you, especially with my election next Tuesday, allow my state the same. Just let us fulfill the democratic process on our own without your jabs and mundane assaults.

Deeply ironic, yes. The EU could demand the return of all the explosives within a month, or the US will face massive aerial bombardment, invasion and occupation, and the analogy to spring 2003 wouldn't be an exaggeration by any stretch of the imagination.

You can't embrass the American people they have no dignity left.


You could not be more right.

After four years of having good-ole-boy george 'dubya' bush as president, four years of being systematically lied to, four years of being embarassed internationally with failures in iraq and afghanistan and four years of having the carpet of our economy snatched out from beneath us, after the establishment of torture camps, after the repeated shamings of the justice dept under Ashcroft, after the repeated failures to prosecute terrorists, after the farcical 'journalism' of our TV news, after the ludicrous 'terror alerts' and their ludicrous misuse as a political tool, after the childish, amoral and shameful conduct of the bush government during the election and after the subversion of our last election, the american people genuinely do not have any dignity left.

Well, explored by those who don't already know that it was caused by Bush's incompetence (I assume devine knowledge revealed to them).

I find this curious, too. The Kerry camp, which advocates having had patience and understanding in the Iraq-Saddam-Weapons Inspector situation, seems to have done just what Dick Clark accused the Bush administration of doing: Ignoring details.

Dick Clark in his criticisms of the administration claimed that the president was constantly interested in a "bumnper sticker" answer, devoid of the nuance and subtlety that is necessary in dealing with issues. He wanted a sound bite, Clark claimed, not a treatise. Why now is the Kerry campaign, which followed Clarks criticisms and repeated them often, jumping to conclusions and using (another Clark issued word) 'received knowledge'?

For one thing look at the original news sources: CBS and The New York Times.

The Times (which has limited credibility anyway after Mr. Glas made up his stories) and CBS (which still hasn't gotten after Burkett for lying to them, and still hasn't looked for the original source of the forged documents--which will doubtless cost them millions) seem "Heck"-bent (keeping it PG) on the end result that Bush is incompetent. It doesn't seem to matter what it is they use to "prove" this. They just 'know' it's true, and will not let anything get in their way.

This, of course, is just what Clark accused Bush of in Iraq. He 'knew' there was a reason to invade, so he sifted through evidence to find what he wanted.

I imagine that the fact the Kerry has done something (in repeating, almost parroting, from CBS the Times and other outlets which have followed suite) that many would have viewed him being against will be interpretted by the Bush camp as another example of him "flip-flopping".

My prediction is that the Earth will stop spinning before November 2nd, because these twos' campaigns have done such a better job at it.

Does anyone else find this ironic? That Bush is asking for calm and rationality? That he's telling us to wait until more indepth and better information can be uncovered. That we shouldn't be making any rash statements or decisions until then (or at least til Nov 3rd)?
Cup of irony tea anybody?

Yea and if the liberal biased media hadn't dropped this in our laps only a few days before the election we might have gotten an answer before the election.

I watched the news conference live. Basically they said they still have no clue. They couldn't even say if the amount they claim to have removed was from the same cache as the one that is missing. It was basically a news confrence set up to look like they were dis-spelling the video that came out yesterday from ABC, but really they talked a lot and said nothing. At the end of the day for all the talking they did, their only answer was "We don't know"

Yea and if the liberal biased media hadn't dropped this in our laps only a few days before the election we might have gotten an answer before the election.Cannot really blame the media for this one. The IAEA made it known to the Bush administration on October 15th (with the notation that it would proably leak). The IAEA was notified by the Iraqi government on October 10th. Of course the IAEA knew the explosives were missing back in May, but it requires a bit of paranoia to believe the IAEA is responsible gfor the timing of the timing of the leak.

Yea and if the liberal biased media hadn't dropped this in our laps only a few days before the election we might have gotten an answer before the election.

Sorry, the only people who believe the media is liberally biased are right-wing fanatics. There are shades of gray for individual news outlets as to their spot on the political spectrum, but mostly they are motivated by good numbers for their ratings and their stockholders.

So, the media bias is generally for doing stories on the cheap and sensationalism. Meaning, generally, whoever paints a bigger target on their back is who is going to get worked over by the media more. Then, when someone's candidate gets that working over, they accuse the media of bias. It's sheer BS, and the fatal flaw of over-corporate media.

According to the news conference (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20041029/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq_weapons_23)

WASHINGTON - An Army unit removed 250 tons of ammunition from the Al-Qaqaa weapons depot in April 2003 and later destroyed it, the company's former commander said Friday. A Pentagon (news - web sites) spokesman said some was of the same type as the missing explosives that have become a major issue in the presidential campaign.

But those 250 tons were not located under the seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency — as the missing high-grade explosives had been — and Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita could not definitely say whether they were part of the missing 377 tons.

Maj. Austin Pearson, speaking at a press conference at the Pentagon, said his team removed 250 tons of TNT, plastic explosives, detonation cords, and white phosporous rounds on April 13, 2003 — 10 days after U.S. forces first reached the Al Qaqaa site.

"I did not see any IAEA seals at any of the locations we went into. I was not looking for that," Pearson said.



TNT, primacord, white phosphorous, etc. are not the explosives at issue.

Perhaps they did remove some of the worst stuff - by chance. Indeed it would be nice to be able to account for some of it. However if even half of that 250 Tons removed by the 3rd was RDX / HMX, that still leaves about 250 tons of it unaccounted for.

Yea and if the liberal biased media hadn't dropped this in our laps only a few days before the election we might have gotten an answer before the election.

Doubtful. The shrub likes to hide bad news.

Somebody told me the employment and the economy numbers are ready but they won't be released till after the elections.

Sorry, the only people who believe the media is liberally biased are right-wing fanatics. There are shades of gray as far as individual news outlets at to their spot on the political spectrum, but mopstly they are motivated by good numbers for their ratings and their stockholders.


41% of Democrats are right-wing fanatics?

41% of Democrats are right-wing fanatics?

-blinks-

Ok that seems to come from right field. Care to explain?

Doubtful. The shrub likes to hide bad news.

Somebody told me the employment and the economy numbers are ready but they won't be released till after the elections.
It may be true that employment numbers are ready (twice over the past year they've been released on the 2nd), however, the fact that they're not being put out on the 2nd isn't Bush's fault, the BLS always releases its employment reports on either the 1st (usually) or second friday of the month.

41% of Democrats are right-wing fanatics?

Source? If correct, I would suspect that those Democrats are primarily made up of conservative Democrats, or are simply deceived.

The "liberal media" may have existed at one point, when journalists were generally much poorer and much more ideologically driven to strive for "truth and justice," rather than "fame and profit" but in this corporate age, it simply doesn't exist any more, except to a certain extent with regards to purely social issues.

-blinks-

Ok that seems to come from right field. Care to explain?
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=188

http://people-press.org/reports/images/188-8.gif

It may be true that employment numbers are ready (twice over the past year they've been released on the 2nd), however, the fact that they're not being put out on the 2nd isn't Bush's fault, the BLS always releases its employment reports on either the 1st (usually) or second friday of the month.

Completely unsourced at this point, I just saw it on the news, but apparently Kerry is accusing Bush of suppresing the national hunger report until after the election as well. I will attempt to find harder evidence, as this amounts to nothing more than rumor at this point.

(see righties, I am able to be fair. :D )

There was another report that isn't getting released until after the election about intelligence failures before 9/11 I believe, and it's supposed to name specific (high level) names this time.