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(Sigh) Yes, I'm bored (and also curious).

Pol Pot. No contest.

Mao played his own people off against each other to create conflict and make them overlook the fact that most of his ideas were pretty shitty...he was really good at keeping from getting whacked and not much else.

Ho Chi Minh.

'Nuff said!

I'm going for Pol Pot over Mao, because of the owrd 'evil'. I don't think of Mao as evil. A blind fanatic, intent on maintaining power no matter what cost, but not evil.
Pol Pot, on the other hand, was evil. There isn't a better word for him. He had no redeeming features - all he wanted to do was destroy everything that didn't agree with him.

Mao played his own people off against each other to create conflict and make them overlook the fact that most of his ideas were pretty shitty...he was really good at keeping from getting whacked and not much else.

Hey, he was a politician.

Personally, I think Mao's infamy is way overrated. He was a poet and a dreamer, who couldn't put ideas into practice. As a result, people starved. I wouldn't call him "evil".

Pol Pot, on the other hand, was evil. There isn't a better word for him. He had no redeeming features - all he wanted to do was destroy everything that didn't agree with him.

The same applies to Ho and Mao.

hahaha

Pol Pot? Ho Chi Minh? Mao?!

You are forgetting the worlds evilest dictator of all time...

Kim Il Sung!

Let me quote what makes him the best from a site.

"Kim not only kept his dreary and brutalised nation under the false impression it was the most prosperous utopia on the planet but also has a trump card - The Korean War. The war sealed the bitterness between North and South that still exists today and cost the lives of 50,000 UN forces, 200,000 South Koreans, 900,000 Chinese and an undisclosed number of North Koreans. Slaughter on such a scale that there can be no other champion but Kim Il Sung. All Hail the Dictator of Dictators."

*starts hailing Kim*

http://www.giles.34sp.com/photos/kimstatue.jpg

The same applies to Ho and Mao.

And by default, all dictators.

Anyhow, you left out Chiang Kai-Shek.

Among the nasty things he did, one of them, in '37 or '38 I believe, after the Japanese were well into China, was to personally sign an order authorising destruction of a major dam in the north of the country. 70,000 Japanese troops were flooded out, drowned and starved, but also several million countrymen. It was one of the defining moments for the Nationalists losing support out to the Communists.

Unfortunately, I can't recall names of the dam or even the province. It'll be out there somewhere though...I believe he actually tried this twice.

Hello?! Kim? Anyone remember the small guy, that starved millions of people, yet made them feel like they lived in Utopia?

I agree with Kanabia, Kim Il Sung, Ho Chi Minh and espechially Mao (more incompetent and blind than purely evil) cannot hope to mesure up with Pol Pot.
The man had a third of his countrymen killed, all ethnic minorities eradicated, furiously defended him being right in executing babies and went to war against Vietnam, which had thirty times as many inhabitants and were well equpped with modern soviet equitment, unlike his army of kalashnikov wielding farmers.

Hello?! Kim? Anyone remember the small guy, that starved millions of people, yet made them feel like they lived in Utopia?

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I knew I was forgetting someone! I forgot to add the two Kims. (Smacks forehead)

hahaha

Pol Pot? Ho Chi Minh? Mao?!

You are forgetting the worlds evilest dictator of all time...

Kim Il Song!

That's Il-Sung you filthy animal.


"Kim not only kept his dreary and brutalised nation under the false impression it was the most prosperous utopia on the planet but also has a trump card - The Korean War. The war sealed the bitterness between North and South that still exists today and cost the lives of 50,000 UN forces, 200,000 South Koreans, 900,000 Chinese and an undisclosed number of North Koreans. Slaughter on such a scale that there can be no other champion but Kim Il Sung. All Hail the Dictator of Dictators."


North Korean propaganda has always been the best!

*starts hailing Kim*

http://www.giles.34sp.com/photos/kimstatue.jpg
:)

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I knew I was forgetting someone! I forgot to add the two Kims. (Smacks forehead)

I too was wondering why I didn't get a mention. :mad:

I too was wondering why I didn't get a mention. :mad:

You're not as evil as your son, though. ;) Or are you? :confused:

Mr Smoke Pot of course! He didn't smoke enough.

And by default, all dictators.

Anyhow, you left out Chiang Kai-Shek.

Among the nasty things he did, one of them, in '37 or '38 I believe, after the Japanese were well into China, was to personally sign an order authorising destruction of a major dam in the north of the country. 70,000 Japanese troops were flooded out, drowned and starved, but also several million countrymen. It was one of the defining moments for the Nationalists losing support out to the Communists.

Unfortunately, I can't recall names of the dam or even the province. It'll be out there somewhere though...I believe he actually tried this twice.

Oh those dear Japanese soldiers... Have you forgotten about the Nanjing massacre (December 13, 1937), in which Japanese troops killed 300,000 civilians?

The "reverend" Sun Yung Moon. :D

Crowned "King of Peace" by congress, makes poor kids drink eachother's spit in the hopes that it will keep them from having sex, and claims to have brought Hitler and Stalin back to life.

Sure they other guys did worse stuff, but they had (have) actual power. This guy is a religious figure in a secular nation of people who think he's insane and he still gets free rain with all his wackiness. Imagine what he'd do if he had any sort of legitimacy.

Mao was'nt evil, he was a good man. But is ideas did'nt work in reality and he was very heavy handed.

Deng Xiaoping - most evil dictator? he was best dictator of all time. He improved the living conditions of hundreds of millions of chinese and his reforms are still driving the growth chinese economy at 8-10% per year. So that by 2030 eastern China is predicted to be on the same level of a developed country. Only thing that was bad was the tiennamen square, and it is debatable with he authorized it or not. Though was heavy handed as well, just not nearly as bad as mao

Pol Pot and Kim - a lot closer to "evil"

Oh those dear Japanese soldiers... Have you forgotten about the Nanjing massacre (December 13, 1937), in which Japanese troops killed 300,000 civilians?

No, you missed my point completely. It was the fact that millions of chinese civilians, Chiang Kai-Shek's own countrymen, died as a result of this action.

Mao was'nt evil, he was a good man. But is ideas did'nt work in reality and he was very heavy handed.

Deng Xiaoping - most evil dictator? he was best dictator of all time. He improved the living conditions of hundreds of millions of chinese and his reforms are still driving the growth chinese economy at 8-10% per year. So that by 2030 eastern China is predicted to be on the same level of a developed country. Only thing that was bad was the tiennamen square, and it is debatable with he authorized it or not. Though was heavy handed as well, just not nearly as bad as mao.

That's actually the exact same thing I was thinking. Xiaoping's capitalist reforms are the only thing that saved China.

You're not as evil as your son, though. ;) Or are you? :confused:

Come on, I taught Baby Kim everything he knows. ;)

No, you missed my point completely. It was the fact that millions of chinese civilians, Chiang Kai-Shek's own countrymen, died as a result of this action.

I'm sorry, you're right. I was totally focused on the Japanese...

Wheres Chairman Mao?

I'm sorry, you're right. I was totally focused on the Japanese...

Don't let it happen again! :mad:

just kidding :)

I figured Pol Pot would be winning by miles, so I went with someone else who I wouldn't say was 'evil' exactly, but he wasn't good.

Ngo Dihn Diem got my vote... nasty little corrupt Vietnamese Catholic-loving Buddhist-abandoning poo-head! By the way, I am Catholic myself (sadly), but he still ran the country unjustly.

Do I take it there weren't many evil Russian/Indian/Middle Eastern/SE Asian (other than Vietnam) dictators... Or do they get their own poll?

Tojo of Japan gets my vote, for the massacres in China in the 30's.

Even the Nazis were shocked at the Japanese brutality.

Stalin could be included in this, as Soviet Union included asiatic regions, although Stalin was Georgian.

Of course there's Pol Pot too.....wait a minute, I'm going to sing.

It's a holiday in Cambodia, it's tough kid, but that's life!

It's a holiday in cambodia, don't forget to pack your wife!

I never even thought of Tojo, he is really bad too. Ho Chi Minh isn't evil, but he isn't good either.

Ferdinand Marcos
Sir Hassanal Bolkiah
General Sitiveni Rabukah
General Suharto

Chairman Mao! He killed 80 Million people!

Rabuka, you have to be kidding Onion pirates.

Anyways i'm going to vote for Kissinger. I know he's not actually asian but he still fucked things up for a lot of asians.

Rabuka, you have to be kidding Onion pirates.

GENERAL SITIVENI RABUKA
Commander, Armed Forces of Fiji
On April 30th, 1987, General Vemon P. Walters, the CIA's "typhoid Mary" of coup making, slipped into Fiji. Two weeks later, General Sitiveni Rabuka stormed the Fijian Parliament and arrested the newly elected Prime Minister, Dr. Timoci Bavadra. Bavadra's fledgling Labor Party had just defeated Fiji's pro-U.S. puppet Prime Minister, Ratu Sir Kamese Mara, and although Bavadra's support for a nuclear-free South Pacific was welcomed by the regional populace, "a nuclear free zone would be unacceptable to the U.S., given our strategic needs," said former U.S. Ambassador to Fiji, William Bodde, Jr., who added, "The U.S. must do everything possible to counter this movement." Indeed, it appears it did just that. Thirty-two days after his electoral victory, Dr. Bavadra was overthrown by the pro-nuclear General Rabuka. "We're kinda delighted," said one Pentagon spokesman after the coup. "All of a sudden our ships couldn't go to Fiji, and now all of a sudden they can."
Once in control, General Rabuka quickly allied himself with some of the most brutal regimes in the world. "Military dictators seem to like other military dictators," says deposed Fijian Prime Minister Bavadra. "It did not take long for our illegal rulers to establish strong ties with Indonesia, Taiwan, and South Korea." Under General Rabuka's U.S. supported police state, Amnesty International has reported, for the first time in Fijian history, cases of illegal detention and torture. "What we are seeing, " says Fijian political scientist James Anthony, "is the Latinization of the Pacific."

thats all well and good but Fiji isnt actually in Asia. I dont think that beyond a little extra discrimination against an already discriminated against minority puts the good colonel in the same league as the likes of pol pot.

GENERAL SITIVENI RABUKA
Commander, Armed Forces of Fiji
On April 30th, 1987, General Vemon P. Walters, the CIA's "typhoid Mary" of coup making, slipped into Fiji. Two weeks later, General Sitiveni Rabuka stormed the Fijian Parliament and arrested the newly elected Prime Minister, Dr. Timoci Bavadra. Bavadra's fledgling Labor Party had just defeated Fiji's pro-U.S. puppet Prime Minister, Ratu Sir Kamese Mara, and although Bavadra's support for a nuclear-free South Pacific was welcomed by the regional populace, "a nuclear free zone would be unacceptable to the U.S., given our strategic needs," said former U.S. Ambassador to Fiji, William Bodde, Jr., who added, "The U.S. must do everything possible to counter this movement." Indeed, it appears it did just that. Thirty-two days after his electoral victory, Dr. Bavadra was overthrown by the pro-nuclear General Rabuka. "We're kinda delighted," said one Pentagon spokesman after the coup. "All of a sudden our ships couldn't go to Fiji, and now all of a sudden they can."
Once in control, General Rabuka quickly allied himself with some of the most brutal regimes in the world. "Military dictators seem to like other military dictators," says deposed Fijian Prime Minister Bavadra. "It did not take long for our illegal rulers to establish strong ties with Indonesia, Taiwan, and South Korea." Under General Rabuka's U.S. supported police state, Amnesty International has reported, for the first time in Fijian history, cases of illegal detention and torture. "What we are seeing, " says Fijian political scientist James Anthony, "is the Latinization of the Pacific."

Copy and paste from leftist anti-right-wing dictatorship sites much?

Ferdinand Marcos
Sir Hassanal Bolkiah
General Sitiveni Rabukah
General Suharto

You're a communist, aren't you?

Hey, he was a politician.

Personally, I think Mao's infamy is way overrated. He was a poet and a dreamer, who couldn't put ideas into practice. As a result, people starved. I wouldn't call him "evil".

It's a damn shame he had to kill all those people, or rather convince them to kill each other, just to stay in power. Mao would have been a master at "Survivor." Unfortunately, running a country is not like that. Aside from that, how many of his people died at his hands? And it's not as though he wasn't prepared to lose a lot of people; it was Maoist policies that are the reason China has such a high population today and the reason Deng Xiaoping instituted the one-child rule (I think it was two-child at first...in any case...) Mao was raring for a hot war with someone like the U.S. or maybe the Soviet Union. He had the population reproduce at insane rates so there would be lots of them left if they got attacked. Aside from that, he made people give up their possessions to build weapons and equipment for the government, and the stuff people gave up (mostly metal) didn't do anywhere near a good enough job. Mao tried to fight a dime-store war and refused to change course. Say what you will about a guy like George W. Bush; when he refuses to change course, he kills a lot fewer people than Mao did.

All evil has its roots in ideas.

As Mao is the man who helped bring Communism to Asia, he takes the cake. Without him, none of the others after him would have been possible.

Mao Tse-Dong, just out of the sheer numbers who died under his regime

My God, this is a hard choice. There are so many evil men, I didn't know whom to choose. But I ultimatly went with Hideki Tojo. He warped a democracy into a tyranny, and turned Asia into a giant concentration camp. I even have some doubts that the later dictators would've existed without him.

The "reverend" Sun Yung Moon. :D

Crowned "King of Peace" by congress, makes poor kids drink eachother's spit in the hopes that it will keep them from having sex, and claims to have brought Hitler and Stalin back to life.

Sure they other guys did worse stuff, but they had (have) actual power. This guy is a religious figure in a secular nation of people who think he's insane and he still gets free rain with all his wackiness. Imagine what he'd do if he had any sort of legitimacy.

Ditto. Pretty much everyone on the list has at least some rationality, but Sun Myung Moon.s completely out of his mind. Of course he's not a leader of an autonomous region, but his amazing lack of sanity makes up for it. Example: He thinks white people descended from polar bears.

My God, this is a hard choice. There are so many evil men, I didn't know whom to choose. But I ultimatly went with Hideki Tojo. He warped a democracy into a tyranny, and turned Asia into a giant concentration camp. I even have some doubts that the later dictators would've existed without him.

I also went with Tojo

Yeah, man, totally, several of these figures are the only nation ever to use nuclear weapons on another, killed four million South East Asians in a decade, bombed Laos on average once a year for more than two decades because the idiot civilians went and voted wrong, and firebombed a million Koreans for having other than neo-conservative beliefs, and are even now developing new mini-nukes and penetrator-nukes in violation of various conventions and in a calculated attempt to upset the delicate power-balance in Asia inspite of the risk in human lives.


Well, if several of these figures are American administrations in the last fifty years.

Pol Pot was off his tiny little rocker, but few of the others even come close to matching the terror imparted on Asia from without in the course of the last two or three generations.

All right, some of that is a bit wishy-washy and brushes over pre-'communist' dictators in Asia, but it really ...fricks me off when people lay violently into these regimes without even considering thinking for a moment about how the so called democracies of the west have cause as much and sometimes more suffering in the same region. You can rant on and on about how many people Pol Pot killed, but the American empire has killed more, and has done it out of the same dreamer's motivation as did dear Saloth, Brother Number 1.

Maybe that's not the point of the thread, but I'm not the one who started the tangent, so I'm content in my posture.

Someone Voted for Deng Xiaoping! You've got be kidding

I would'nt say "Mao" killed 30 million. I would say famine killed 30 million. Which was cased by Mao's great leap forward.

No, you missed my point completely. It was the fact that millions of chinese civilians, Chiang Kai-Shek's own countrymen, died as a result of this action.

Do you guys have a source or link with further into on this?

Because if I remember about the dam, Chiang Kai shek did that intentionally to stop the Japanese from invading. But inadvertly caused the life of his own countrymen.

I think there's alot of difference in making a mistake and being evil, like ethnic cleansing.

Do you guys have a source or link with further into on this?

Because if I remember about the dam, Chiang Kai shek did that intentionally to stop the Japanese from invading. But inadvertly caused the life of his own countrymen.

I think there's alot of difference in making a mistake and being evil, like ethnic cleansing.

Mistake? Do you think he didn't know millions of people lived in the same area as the Japanese soldiers were?

That was no mistake.

Tojo
Chiang Kai Shek
Suharto
Pol Pot

Uncle Ho.

2 weeks away from my final exam for History: Revolutions, I have got to say that, in my opinion, Mao Zedong is one of the scariest people in history.

Admittedly, there are a few names on the list I do not know anything about, but to a liberal like me, Mao represents one of the greatest dangers to humanity.

The thing about Mao was that he didn't simply wipe out his enemies, he got the people to wipe out them for him. He was about as barbaric as they come, and it is only because of the incredibly regulated media in China during the period that prevented some of the nastier elements of the GPCR in particular coming to light- it makes Tiananmen Square look like a picnic and I'm not exagerrating. He was literally able to influence people's very thinking, and it was on a much more profound level than say Hitler, who could only do it to a point.

It's somewhat sad, considering that initially Mao was quite a boon for the population of China (1949-1957, China made substantial economic and social progress: but then came the "Great Leap Forward", or Great Fuckup as it became)

The others, even Pol Pot seem to be your standard, 'kill everybody who doesn't love me' types. Mao got people to 'kill everybody who doesn't grovel like dogs at the very thought of Mao"

Scary, scary stuff

I would have to rate Pol Pot first.... he killed a third of his population in about 2 years... just think if Cambodia had been bigger.

Mao is definitely number 2, although he killed more than Pol Pot, he didn't get as high a percentage

Daddy Kim Il is number three, his son is a weirdly strange second rater compared to him.. (probably number 5)

Tojo is number 4 but really, it should be not just him, but the majority of the Japanese Army General Staff from the 1920s until the Surrender at Tokyo Bay... they created so much suffering there should be a special place in hell for the whole lot... but Tojo wasn't technically a dictator

Yeah, man, totally, several of these figures are the only nation ever to use nuclear weapons on another, killed four million South East Asians in a decade, bombed Laos on average once a year for more than two decades because the idiot civilians went and voted wrong, and firebombed a million Koreans for having other than neo-conservative beliefs, and are even now developing new mini-nukes and penetrator-nukes in violation of various conventions and in a calculated attempt to upset the delicate power-balance in Asia inspite of the risk in human lives.


Well, if several of these figures are American administrations in the last fifty years.

Pol Pot was off his tiny little rocker, but few of the others even come close to matching the terror imparted on Asia from without in the course of the last two or three generations.

All right, some of that is a bit wishy-washy and brushes over pre-'communist' dictators in Asia, but it really ...fricks me off when people lay violently into these regimes without even considering thinking for a moment about how the so called democracies of the west have cause as much and sometimes more suffering in the same region. You can rant on and on about how many people Pol Pot killed, but the American empire has killed more, and has done it out of the same dreamer's motivation as did dear Saloth, Brother Number 1.

Maybe that's not the point of the thread, but I'm not the one who started the tangent, so I'm content in my posture.

Ah, we couldn't have a discussion without bringing up how horrible the US is, could we?

Ho Chi Minh.

'Nuff said!

what the hell did he do?

he radioed the US for assistance they declined. its the US's fault. stupid americans, they're so stupid.

Mine is George Bush even though he is not asian

Tojo of Japan gets my vote, for the massacres in China in the 30's.

Even the Nazis were shocked at the Japanese brutality.

Stalin could be included in this, as Soviet Union included asiatic regions, although Stalin was Georgian.

Of course there's Pol Pot too.....wait a minute, I'm going to sing.

It's a holiday in Cambodia, it's tough kid, but that's life!

It's a holiday in cambodia, don't forget to pack your wife!

"You'll work harder with a gun in your back for a bowl of rice a day." I went with Pol Pot.



My God, this is a hard choice. There are so many evil men, I didn't know whom to choose. But I ultimatly went with Hideki Tojo. He warped a democracy into a tyranny, and turned Asia into a giant concentration camp. I even have some doubts that the later dictators would've existed without him.
Tojo didn't warp Japan's government, Hirohito did. The emporer still had authority above the constitution (at least according to Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan by Herbert Bix). Tojo could not do anything without the emporers say-so.

Edited for spelling.

I say Mao Tse Tung - killed around 20 million people, right?

Pol Pot. No contest.
Mao killed many more people, but Pol Pot killed more proportional to the population.

And by default, all dictators.

Anyhow, you left out Chiang Kai-Shek.
Yes, he was evil, but he never actually successfully became a dictator.

Mine is George Bush even though he is not asian
1. He's not a dictator.
2. Everyone on the poll killed more people than him.
3. Everyone on the poll took away more freedoms than him.

Ho Chi Minh.

'Nuff said!

Why Ho Chi Minh? Just because he defeated America he's evil? I dont think so.

Do you guys have a source or link with further into on this?

Because if I remember about the dam, Chiang Kai shek did that intentionally to stop the Japanese from invading. But inadvertly caused the life of his own countrymen.

I think there's alot of difference in making a mistake and being evil, like ethnic cleansing.

Unfortunately, no, I don't have a source...like I said, i've forgotten the name of the dam or even the province. You may be able to find it with a bit of searching though.


Mistake? Do you think he didn't know millions of people lived in the same area as the Japanese soldiers were?

Exactly.

I'm not sure if I'd vote for either of them or not, but how can you leave Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il off the list?