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Situation: Ok, so there's this kid at school thats been trying to provoke my younger brother into fighting him. This kid is poor, his dads a car mechanic, and he has 8 siblings ranging from 16 to 2. He used to be friends with my brother until he became jealous of what my family has compared to his, so he started to make fun of my brother last year. He stopped last year after my brother used his Karate moves against a bully who was picking on him {my brother}. This year he's at it again. Today he tried to spit on my brother, and called him a stupid retard. He mocks my brother constantly, bothers him, and pushes him. I've confronted him once about it and told him to never look at my brother, nor speak to him. This was about a month ago. The reason my brother can't defend himself is because he has had two open heart surgeries and if he were to be hit in the chest, it could potentionally cause his heart to collapse.

Here's my question: Would I be justified in making this kid stop?

Situation: Ok, so there's this kid at school thats been trying to provoke my younger brother into fighting him. This kid is poor, his dads a car mechanic, and he has 8 siblings ranging from 16 to 2. He used to be friends with my brother until he became jealous of what my family has compared to his, so he started to make fun of my brother last year. He stopped last year after my brother used his Karate moves against a bully who was picking on him {my brother}. This year he's at it again. Today he tried to spit on my brother, and called him a stupid retard. He mocks my brother constantly, bothers him, and pushes him. I've confronted him once about it and told him to never look at my brother, nor speak to him. This was about a month ago. The reason my brother can't defend himself is because he has had two open heart surgeries and if he were to be hit in the chest, it could potentionally cause his heart to collapse.

Here's my question: Would I be justified in making this kid stop?

Depends on what methods you're planning on using. Don't try to confront him physically, or you'll probably get yourself into trouble, but you should definitely tell an adult, especially if your brother's life is in danger.

only if you "go through channels" first
since your brother is physically compromised you dont want to do anything that might provoke one of this kids siblings into acting in revenge eh? talk to your parents, his parent, the officials at school first. THEN if he doesnt back off you are justified in putting yourself physically between him and your brother.

Depends on what methods you're planning on using. Don't try to confront him physically, or you'll probably get yourself into trouble, but you should definitely tell an adult, especially if your brother's life is in danger.

I agree, but feel that if you determine that a physical encounter would cause the kid who is picking on your brother to stop then the trouble you would get in because of it would probably be worth it.

Well, about 5 of my friends are aware of this and they offered to do something for me so I won't get in trouble.

My mom, who is in Philly for the next 2 weeks told me: "If it comes to violence, try not to hurt him."

Note: I am not implying violence in any way.

No matter what you should definetly not let someone coninute to pick on your brother. First confront the kid and tell him to stop it. If he wont stop, go above him to teachers and other staff at the school and maybe the kids parents. I wouldn't resort to physical confrontation unless it was a last ditch effort thing. But definetly do something, don't just let the kid keep messing with your brother.

Does the kid know about your brother's condition? Probably something. Is he aware of the danger that your brother would be in in a fight? Maybe you want him to, maybe you don't. Depends on the kid and the strength of his conscience. Suppose he does; is he aware that, knowing what he knows, starting a fight with your brother would constitute "reckless indiference"?

Supposing he is aware of the danger... get a microcassette recorder. Inform him of the legal consequences, which could be as much as second or even first degree murder charges against him. Tape him acknowledging his awareness of the implications, and at a later time, play him a copy of the tape... while taping him again. *evil grin*

Or not. You've not told us how old the kid is.

Does the kid know about your brother's condition? Probably something. Is he aware of the danger that your brother would be in in a fight? Maybe you want him to, maybe you don't. Depends on the kid and the strength of his conscience. Suppose he does; is he aware that, knowing what he knows, starting a fight with your brother would constitute "reckless indiference"?

Supposing he is aware of the danger... get a microcassette recorder. Inform him of the legal consequences, which could be as much as second or even first degree murder charges against him. Tape him acknowledging his awareness of the implications, and at a later time, play him a copy of the tape... while taping him again. *evil grin*

Or not. You've not told us how old the kid is.

He knows that my brother has heart problems, thats all. This kid is very jealous of my family, as I said before, he has 8 siblings, and one working parent. He lives in a 2 bedroom house "filled with pets, piles of clothes, and trash". He doesnt even have a bed he sleeps in a sleeping bag.

I have a digital recorder. Thanks for the tip, although it might be illegal to tape someone without their knowledge.

Oh yeah,

He's 14, my brother is 14, and I'm 16.

No matter what you should definetly not let someone coninute to pick on your brother. First confront the kid and tell him to stop it. If he wont stop, go above him to teachers and other staff at the school and maybe the kids parents. I wouldn't resort to physical confrontation unless it was a last ditch effort thing. But definetly do something, don't just let the kid keep messing with your brother.

I'm not going to tell teachers. I can handle this with my friends. He's been warn by me "Stay away from my brother. Dont talk to him." my brother has told him "If you keep this up, my brother will find out." and the kid, he hasnt stopped.

How old are all of you?

only if you "go through channels" first
since your brother is physically compromised you dont want to do anything that might provoke one of this kids siblings into acting in revenge eh? talk to your parents, his parent, the officials at school first. THEN if he doesnt back off you are justified in putting yourself physically between him and your brother.
I got news for you "going through the proper channels" rarely works, at least when it comes to the other kids parents and especially the school. In the case of the schools, it requires too much work on their part, so they give up too easily. At least that's been my personal experience. Talking to your own parents works well and I'd go to them for help, but I see no reason that the guy (or gal)) can't stick up for his/her brother. That's what family is there for after all, to stick up for one another and be there in times of need.

I think you should clean his clock.

How old are all of you?

me= 16, 6'3" and 170

poor kid= 14, 5'5" and 160

brother= 14, 5'8" and 140

Damn right. Tell the school, if they do nothing beat the living shit out of the little f**ker.

OMFG. Older than I thought.

1) Someday your bro will have to learn to take care of himself.

2) Avoidance is a respecectable solution.

3) You are obviously bigoted against him for poverty and family status, if your brother treats him the same it is no wonder this guy does not like you.

That said, when I was about your age (and build) I was walking past a classroom when the bell rang. (dont ask why I wasn't in class :) ) As the door opened a scrawny kid from my church walked out and was pushed down by a larger boy. You shoulda seen the look on the bullys face when I grabbed him by the shirt collar, picked him off the ground and held him against the wall then calmly explained what would happen to him the next time I saw him do that.

I put him down and walked away before the scrawny kid could say anything. The bully had no idea who I was, but it never happened again. I still laugh about it.

* I still think you should clean his clock. His class status has nothing to do with it. He is a bully, he understands one thing- an ass kicking. Give him a fair warning- if he makes life rough for your brother, you and your friends will make life miserable for them. If he crosses the line, follow through. Slap him until he cries. It's way more humiliating than being punched.

It may be illegal in your state so find out, but AFAIK a taping without consent is only inadmissable in a civil case. And 14 is old enough to go down as an adult, so see if you can get him to acknowledge that too.

And of course I could be nuts and this could, for some unforseen reason, be a very bad thing to do. So now I say, talk to the police, and maybe they will have a talk with him, and basically do as I have suggested, inform the kid of what can happen to him if things go bad.

And like someone else has said, it is best to exhaust such channels before taking things into your hands, unless you are forced to take things into your hands in the heat of a moment.

I think you should clean his clock.

I think you should butter his muffin.

I think you should butter his muffin.

I think you should spank his monkey.

Shuck his corn, ring his bell, and give him a manly thrashing, I say.

That said, when I was about your age (and build) I was walking past a classroom when the bell rang. (dont ask why I wasn't in class :) ) As the door opened a scrawny kid from my church walked out and was pushed down by a larger boy. You shoulda seen the look on the bullys face when I grabbed him by the shirt collar, picked him off the ground and held him against the wall then calmly explained what would happen to him the next time I saw him do that.

I put him down and walked away before the scrawny kid could say anything. The bully had no idea who I was, but it never happened again. I still laugh about it.
Yeah that usually works rather well. I did that once to a kid that was bothering my little sister on the school bus. I sat next to him. I asked him how he was doing. I asked him if he was having fun. Then I picked him up by the scruff of the shirt, drew him in close and told him if he didn't leave my sister alone than he would be seeing a lot more of me. Then I set him down gently, said good day, and left. Didn't bother her again ever.

What can I say strong impressions are everything. Worked well on my roommate during my first year of college too. He slept in the nude one night. Man was that a shocker next morning! He came down from the loft and I saw .....well I won't get into to much detail, but he didn't do it again. All I had to do was say, "No wonder I don't see you with that many women." Boy, did he turn red. He tried to recover by saying, "It isn't the size, but how you use it". My reply: "But you don't use it much either do you?". :D

And no that wasn't below the belt, seeing as his belt was still around his knees by that time. :D

OMFG. Older than I thought.

1) Someday your bro will have to learn to take care of himself.

2) Avoidance is a respecectable solution.

3) You are obviously bigoted against him for poverty and family status, if your brother treats him the same it is no wonder this guy does not like you.

That said, when I was about your age (and build) I was walking past a classroom when the bell rang. (dont ask why I wasn't in class :) ) As the door opened a scrawny kid from my church walked out and was pushed down by a larger boy. You shoulda seen the look on the bullys face when I grabbed him by the shirt collar, picked him off the ground and held him against the wall then calmly explained what would happen to him the next time I saw him do that.

I put him down and walked away before the scrawny kid could say anything. The bully had no idea who I was, but it never happened again. I still laugh about it.


1. Read about his heart condition. I'm still his older brother, and I'll still look out for him.

2. No its not.

3. My brother avoids him, just like I told him to.

I've done the same things to a group of bullys. They were making fun of a fat kid, so I stood up for the fat kid.

This bully was very ugly, whereas the fat kid was fat. All I said to the bully was "He can control his weight. You can't control the way you look." He quickly stopped and walked away.

I'm not going to tell teachers. I can handle this with my friends. He's been warn by me "Stay away from my brother. Dont talk to him." my brother has told him "If you keep this up, my brother will find out." and the kid, he hasnt stopped.

And this will end up with YOU with a police record.

Here's an idea. Have your mom go down to the precinct and swear out a complaint. If the moron ever comes near your brother after that, he's screwed.

I think you should clean his clock.

Here Here !

Today's followup.

I was walking to lunch with 2 of my friends next to me. I saw this bully so I walked faster to catch up to him. As I was closing in on him, he glanced back, looked at me in the eye, and I said "What the fuck are you looking at, you little fucker?" Here is sort of how the conversation went down:

(Bully) "What?"

(Me) "I thought I told you already to leave my brother alone."

(Bully) "He's not even in any of my classes. I don't know what you are talking about."

(Me) "Well, I know for a fact you are in his biology class. I know that yesterday you tried to spit on him. And you insulted him."

(Bully) "I don't know what you're talking about. I think he lies."

(Me) "I know that you are lying. So listen: Do not talk to my brother. Do not look at my brother. I hope you understand what I'm saying."

His face was white after this, so I walked away to sit at my table. I think the message got through.

And this will end up with YOU with a police record.

Here's an idea. Have your mom go down to the precinct and swear out a complaint. If the moron ever comes near your brother after that, he's screwed.


I'm a minor. My mom is on a business trip for 2 weeks.

Reporting this kid to anyone will end up making my brother and I look like tattletales.

Ooc: Nut 'im! Kick Him In The Balls! Killlllllllllllll! Arrgh!

I fight like a man, unlike you.

I fight like a man, unlike you.
I fight more like a furry marmot.

Today's followup.

I was walking to lunch with 2 of my friends next to me. I saw this bully so I walked faster to catch up to him. As I was closing in on him, he glanced back, looked at me in the eye, and I said "What the fuck are you looking at, you little fucker?" Here is sort of how the conversation went down:

(Bully) "What?"

(Me) "I thought I told you already to leave my brother alone."

(Bully) "He's not even in any of my classes. I don't know what you are talking about."

(Me) "Well, I know for a fact you are in his biology class. I know that yesterday you tried to spit on him. And you insulted him."

(Bully) "I don't know what you're talking about. I think he lies."

(Me) "I know that you are lying. So listen: Do not talk to my brother. Do not look at my brother. I hope you understand what I'm saying."

His face was white after this, so I walked away to sit at my table. I think the message got through.


GOOD CALL!!!!

Sometimes going to the "authorities" will help, but only if the Bully accepts that authority. And if he doesn't, your brother's status will only deminish in the eyes of his peers. One thing the Bully will understand is the authority of a boot up his ass. To me you provided clear expectations and clear consequences.

I fight like a man, unlike you.

In other words, you've never been in a real fight with life and death consequences? When it isn't a game, take my advice: do what you need to to survive.

In other words, you've never been in a real fight with life and death consequences? When it isn't a game, take my advice: do what you need to to survive.


Seeing as I've never had to fight off the locals in the KKK I wouldnt know.

Seeing as I've never had to fight off the locals in the KKK I wouldnt know.

Let's not get them involved. Hopefully the bully is not linked to them?

It could mean he likes your brother but probably trying to be "cool"
You should get it sorted out but you dont want to be a bully right?
And you dont want to be a nark?

I would like to offer my Contract killing services for this job.











































just kidding

I think you should just fuck with his mind from here on out, that works really. Just like you did when you caught up to him, make shit up, just confront him, and slap the shit out of him so he cries like the little bitch he is