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Kerry Fled!

When? Where? How?

I thought Bush fled. I guess I was wrong. Ah well, better ignore these militatry records.

Far from being the war hero a campaign ad depicts him, John Kerry fled in an act of cowardice when a fellow swift boat struck an underwater mine in Vietnam, says the author of "Unfit for Command."

http://swift4.he.net/~swift4/article.php?story=20041008073016702

Far from being the war hero a campaign ad depicts him, John Kerry fled in an act of cowardice when a fellow swift boat struck an underwater mine in Vietnam, says the author of "Unfit for Command."

http://swift4.he.net/~swift4/article.php?story=20041008073016702

Ok, first everyone look at the sock puppet. Ok? The Sock puppet will explain why things like Swift Vets for Truth and "Unfit for Command" probably is based on speculation. Poorly put together Sock puppet take it away!

Well you see While these people never served with Kerry or any where NEAR Kerry, they still decide to spread "rumors". Meanwhile the people who DID serve under Kerry or near him are backing up his story. hmmmm, who should we believe?

Thank you poorly put together sock puppet.

The sock puppet should also have explained that official Navy records, which were recently given the once-over again by the Navy, back up the story by the men who actually served with Kerry.

Now, let's hear from the people who served with George Bush in Alabama.

Hello?

(sound of crickets chirping)

Far from being the war hero a campaign ad depicts him, John Kerry fled in an act of cowardice when a fellow swift boat struck an underwater mine in Vietnam, says the author of "Unfit for Command."

http://swift4.he.net/~swift4/article.php?story=20041008073016702

SBVFT has been shown to be a group of shameless liars and John O'Neill is one of its cofounders. But thanks, now I know what your libel is based on. :)

He may have Munke on the brain but I have monkeys on the dinnertable. :p

O'Neill states that he saw Kerry's boat blast away from the mine explosion, spilling Rassman into the river, and that he then made a particularly slow turn going back to pick Rassman up. I wonder how he spilled Rassman over when Rassman was not on his boat but on the one that had been hit? I also wonder if a three second turn would have cost Rassman his life as he struggled in the water, perhaps pushing him under in its wake. And I wonder what would have happened to Rassman if Kerry had not noticed he had gone in, as O'Neill states the other sailors did not, and Kerry had brought his boat instead to the aid of the sinking one where everyone else was, and I wonder how Rassman stayed alive in the water at all if it took Kerry five minutes to turn his boat around. O'Neill's version simply does not add up.

Ok, first everyone look at the sock puppet. Ok? The Sock puppet will explain why things like Swift Vets for Truth and "Unfit for Command" probably is based on speculation. Poorly put together Sock puppet take it away!

Well you see While these people never served with Kerry or any where NEAR Kerry, they still decide to spread "rumors". Meanwhile the people who DID serve under Kerry or near him are backing up his story. hmmmm, who should we believe?

Thank you poorly put together sock puppet.
Poorly put together sock puppet has a fools hand up his ass. Those men did serve with him, near him, shared rooms with him.

Pay no attention to the man under the sock.

Poorly put together sock puppet has a fools hand up his ass. Those men did serve with him, near him, shared rooms with him.

Pay no attention to the man under the sock.

Insults, huh? Is that what you have?

No wait- that was YOUR line...my bad.

Let me link you to the official military documents. The people who appealed to the big bosses to get him awarded his various medals gave firsthand accounts. While I realize that accounts of events in battle can get skewed by hectic and stressful situations, I doubt that the people whose lives were saved would feel that there was any less heroism.

Yes, it's a partisan site, but if you ignore the bits of information in print and just read the pdf files, you'll have a look at the actual records (note I have not cited this as a source for Bush's military record... I cannot speak for the veracity of ANY of the records they have posted for Bush).

http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp

I only post this site because I'd have to post several from the kerry campaign site. Also check www.factcheck.org please. :)

Ahhh Munkebrain!

Now I remember you. Friends of Bill.

Never was good at alias detection.

Kerry Fled while Bush hid.

Meh!

I can't wait until the election is over. "It's a madhouse! A madhooouuusse!!!"

They're all partisan sites, on either side. The opinions and in some cases memories of VN Vets, SB Vets, guys Who Were There, etc. strongly tend to fall upon party lines.

Subtracting them both as equally biased, we are left with the status quo: the official record. Based on that, Kerry performed heroically. SBVFT can say it didn't go down that way, and other guys Who Were There can refute anything from SBVFT guys Who Were There, and I feel free to ignore them all, because the United States Navy says he performed heroically, and I know that of the three, that is the most unbiased and has the least reason for an agenda other than that of truth and accuracy.

However...

Major Swifties have stood beside Kerry in the past, before his running against the current coup leader, Bush, and virtually all of them are thus flip-floppers major. Those vets who still stand with Kerry have never wavered from their account of what happened.

Subtracting them both as equally biased, we are left with the status quo: the official record. Based on that, Kerry performed heroically. SBVFT can say it didn't go down that way, and other guys Who Were There can refute anything from SBVFT guys Who Were There, and I feel free to ignore them all, because the United States Navy says he performed heroically, and I know that of the three, that is the most unbiased and has the least reason for an agenda other than that of truth and accuracy.

That's kind of why I posted the site... 'cause it has links to pdf files of actual documents. I appreciate your assessment. Thanks.