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Palestinian leader said to be 'very, very sick'.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3960237.stm

No clear successor either. Looks like yet more turbulance.

One word: Haw. ;)

hopefully he dies so that someone that will actually do something will take his place

hopefully he dies so that someone that will actually do something will take his place

LIke what? Stand up to Hamas and get assassinated? Or stand up to Israel and get assassinated?

LIke what? Stand up to Hamas and get assassinated? Or stand up to Israel and get assassinated?

Either one's better than hiding in a bunker. At least for my own pure entertainment. :p

His death will prevent Israel from making him a scapegoat for all thier many failures.

New diversified leadership will be harder to target and neutralize.

May this signal the beginning of the end for the bloodthirsty monsters of Tel Aviv.

On his last legs, you say? Can't he be fitted out with some wheels, then?

His death will prevent Israel from making him a scapegoat for all thier many failures.

New diversified leadership will be harder to target and neutralize.

May this signal the beginning of the end for the bloodthirsty monsters of Tel Aviv.
tell me something, do you actually know where Israel is or whats happening there?
He IS the guilty party or maybe you have a logical explanation as to where the 3Bn aid a year go? And why Arafats bank account is so full?

When that Bastard dies, I'll take the wife and kids out for some Ice cream cake at Baskin Robbins and remeber the good old days when terrorist were treated like terrorist, not legitimate leaders of a non-existent state.

Shin Bet strikes again. :sniper:

The only question in my mind is why they waited so long.

hopefully he dies so that someone that will actually do something will take his place
Oh but that were true. Generally when an initiator like him dies there is a mess of successors wanting to claim the mantle. If anything, expect infighting and grand displays (read attacks) of superior ability.

There is no one in the wings with the portfolio or the skills to be otherwise.

remeber the good old days when terrorist were treated like terrorist, not legitimate leaders of a non-existent state.
This is, as they say elsewhere, the correct motorcycle.

Anyone old enough to remember the 70s knows that Arafat was a kill-on-sight terrorist. The PLO was the most murderous of a bunch of misguided psychopaths that included Baader-Meinhof and the Red Army Faction, inter alia. Arafat has lived way longer than he deserves. The sooner he roasts in hell the happier the world will be. Perhaps then the Palestinians will find a leader with less handluggage and more credibility.

This is, as they say elsewhere, the correct motorcycle.

Anyone old enough to remember the 70s knows that Arafat was a kill-on-sight terrorist. The PLO was the most murderous of a bunch of misguided psychopaths that included Baader-Meinhof and the Red Army Faction, inter alia. Arafat has lived way longer than he deserves. The sooner he roasts in hell the happier the world will be. Perhaps then the Palestinians will find a leader with less handluggage and more credibility.
No love for Elmer Fudd in drag, but the devil you know, eh?

As far as i am concerned Israel and Palestine are just as bad as each other, everything sounds a lot like what went on in Northern Ireland with the IRA and the Ulster Unionists and the British government

hopefully he dies so that someone that will actually do something will take his place
Sharon?

Personally im going to rub my buttom on his grave after he dies..
you are all welcomed to join me, orginized busses will be enroute to Ramallah 2 hours after his death.
What sux was that he wont die by gunshots, poision or whatever
natural death for that terrorist is far more then what that animal deserves.
but then again, no animal deserves to be called "arafat"

When that Bastard dies, I'll take the wife and kids out for some Ice cream cake at Baskin Robbins and remeber the good old days when terrorist were treated like terrorist, not legitimate leaders of a non-existent state.
completely fully agreed. Let me know where the Baskin-Robbins is and i'll join you. The amount of people who sympathise with that murdering bastard is WAY to high. 1 is 1 too many. The amount who support him...

Shin Bet strikes again.
The only question in my mind is why they waited so long.
An intellect here. You seem to believe that Shin Bet poisoned him. Do you honestly think that Arafat would invite Jews into his compound? Unless they fired a poison dart in through his window.

Who will kick first? Arafat or Castro?

Oh go to the gym and work off your aggression with some exercise. You want an ulcer? So you don't like Arafat. There were many many people who considered Menachem Begin a terrorist in his day as well. I don't hear the axes grinding, however.

It's all relative, man. One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. But the honest truth is that no one deserves to die, and you're tempting fate by wishing ill on others.

You ask of Arafat as if his existance or lack there of will ever stop the endless cycle of violence. Even when the Israelis pull out of the contested territories, that animousity will not die. The Israelis will want the Palestinians dead as much as the Palestinians will want to Israelis dead. The only want any of this will ever end will be with the completely destruction of every last Israeli or every last Palestinian. But, then again, I'm an optimist.

Oh go to the gym and work off your aggression with some exercise. You want an ulcer? So you don't like Arafat. There were many many people who considered Menachem Begin a terrorist in his day as well. I don't hear the axes grinding, however.

It's all relative, man. One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. But the honest truth is that no one deserves to die, and you're tempting fate by wishing ill on others.

A terrorist is someone who targets innocent people to achieve political goals
and personally, i'd be happy to see all terrorists die a horrible horrible death.. no matter what nationality they are.
anyone who believes that killing innocent people is "freedom fighting" deserves that kind of death too.

A terrorist is someone who targets innocent people to achieve political goals
and personally, i'd be happy to see all terrorists die a horrible horrible death.. no matter what nationality they are.
anyone who believes that killing innocent people is "freedom fighting" deserves that kind of death too.

I see. You then, are in the moral position to decide who and how people deserve to die?

Nice one. Sure you aren't a terrorist yourself?

I hope he pulls through and is okay. He is an amazing man. He went from being a terrorist in his early days to actually becoming a man of great diplomacy. He has served his people better then any one else probably could of. He was never willing to sell Palestine short and I personally admire him.

I see. You then, are in the moral position to decide who and how people deserve to die?

Nice one. Sure you aren't a terrorist yourself?

I am in that position, yes.. anyone who dedicates his life to the destruction and death is not a part of the human race im a part of.

I am in that position, yes.. anyone who dedicates his life to the destruction and death is not a part of the human race im a part of.

Well, come then, don't be coy - what is it exactly that delivers unto you this exceptional gift?

Don't trot out the BS about people not being 'part of the human race im a part of'. You caan't just disown your own species, and last time I checked, Mr. Arafat was definitely a member of homo sapiens sapiens.

Or are you implying that certain people aren't human beings after all? Sub-humans? Where've I heard this one before...

I hope he pulls through and is okay. He is an amazing man. He went from being a terrorist in his early days to actually becoming a man of great diplomacy. He has served his people better then any one else probably could of. He was never willing to sell Palestine short and I personally admire him.

Oh. My. God.

Oh. My. God.

Hey, don't act like Israel doesn't do the same things as Palestine.. they just do it with modern weapons because they have money. It's not the Palestinians who are the occupiers. I have a thing for the under-dog. ;)

Occupiers? So, I guess you don't agree with the UN initiative to establish Isreal as a nation after WWII?

Occupiers? So, I guess you don't agree with the UN initiative to establish Isreal as a nation after WWII?

No I don't. I think it was more then a horrible idea. In fact the UN only did it because they believed Israel would fail any way.. Guess they were wrong about that too.

We all get old and die. I'll just say I won't be sad to see that old terrorist kick the bucket.

No I don't. I think it was more then a horrible idea. In fact the UN only did it because they believed Israel would fail any way.. Guess they were wrong about that too.

I guess that explains your opinion about Arafat. I respectfully disagree with you on Isreal. But since there is no possible way we could ever change each other's opinion on this matter, lets just agree to disagree.

A terrorist is someone who targets innocent people to achieve political goals
and personally, i'd be happy to see all terrorists die a horrible horrible death.. no matter what nationality they are.
anyone who believes that killing innocent people is "freedom fighting" deserves that kind of death too.
I take it you're also rooting for Ariel Sharon to die a horrible death as well. You know, for the Sabra and Shatila rapes and murders in 1982.

Personally I also thought Arafat should have died in the mid-to-late-90's, after the 1995 peace accords. He would have been viewed as a hero (well postively at least, most likely a statesman) by both sides, and it'd have allowed someone younger and more intuned with today's politics to take over. The peace might have lasted then.
He had made too many enemies on both sides to ensure any lasting peace out of anything he signed while he was still alive.

Occupiers? So, I guess you don't agree with the UN initiative to establish Isreal as a nation after WWII?
She probably doesn't know, in all her arafat worship, that the land that Isreal was established on by the U.N. was sold to Jewish settlers at a huge price by greedy Palestinians, who saw an oppurtunity to make a buck, and now claim occupation, and lefties round the world admire and support terrorist like Arafat. I hope the cockroach dies in great pain, and his family gets o see his pain. Justice is what that is.

I hope he pulls through. The only thing I have against him is his constant thefts of billions of dollars in American and Middle Eastern aid. The tens of billions we donate to the victims of Israeli aggression go directly into his Swiss bank accounts.. but then again, they're all thieves. Why label him as the only thief in the Arab world?

Another thing some Arabs have against him is his leniency with Israel. He is continuously trying to appease Israel, even though they have him locked down in his compound in Ramallah. I say that, if he has to die, he should die fighting the Israeli Army. He should grab a rifle, a few grenades, and a suicide belt, and run out of his compound straight at a Merkava.

Yes, a Merkava. Notice how I am not saying he should kill civilians, but Army personnel in a tank. Haar.. That is war. And in war people die. So bite me.

She probably doesn't know, in all her arafat worship, that the land that Isreal was established on by the U.N. was sold to Jewish settlers at a huge price by greedy Palestinians, who saw an oppurtunity to make a buck, and now claim occupation, and lefties round the world admire and support terrorist like Arafat. I hope the cockroach dies in great pain, and his family gets o see his pain. Justice is what that is.

There's no justice in vengeance, no matter how self-righteous you may be in your indignation.

Redneck.

There's no justice in vengeance, no matter how self-righteous you may be in your indignation.

Redneck.
Insults, huh. Thats what you have. Good, I know who to ignore during the real discussions that merit just a smidgen of intellect. To reply to you in kind, You're so dumb, you should be watered twice a week.
Are we done now? :)

ur all nutz first of all the UN decided that the land that israel stand on today will b split between israel and palestian (u should c the map its like one giant chunk of land for the palastiane and three small pieces of land which dont even connects) as a result of their ignoring hitlers act till he knock on their door beside the next day after the division arabs from all countries around israel attacked somehow israel sorvived (i think is was coz of the soviet weapons shipment isreal got then....) oh and in sabra and shatila there where no rape only killing (as sad as it is.... ur just trying to make it sound worst or u where disinformed) and army regulations about disobeying an order was change so now u will not kill a guy just coz ur captian is a looney oh right..... israel aggresion???? WTF u dont know what ur talking about israel sends helicopters to blow terorists famaly houses so theyll think twice before sendind their sons (l8ly doughters 2....) to become suicide bombers only reason u think its (heli things.....) worst then suiciders is that in israel there is this think where they(the media) dont show picture of ppl being killed (or dead 4 that metter....) as respect to the dead.... notice that body remain are being burryed and not disfigured like the american did to the kamikazis in WWII (which stoped the kamikazis.....)
last thing.... israel have alowed all medical care arafat needs and also alowed him to leave the country for medical care....
oh almost forgot.... israel never locked him in the mukata he is afraid of his revials (plural!!!!) in his own party (well not exactly party since its not like there are any other partys.....) and also the money u put to help the palestinien either go to their leaders or to help fund liltle kids "tour" in afganistan to train them weapon and stuff to become lil terorist themself so if i changed one person idea about israel my work is done
p.s proly longest thread in this forum.....:p

Insults, huh. Thats what you have. Good, I know who to ignore during the real discussions that merit just a smidgen of intellect. To reply to you in kind, You're so dumb, you should be watered twice a week.
Are we done now? :)

No, I have an irritable colon. And little patience for demagoguery. I too am glad that I know who to expect 'just a smidgen of intellect' from in these, uhh- 'real' discussions.

I'm so dumb, I should...hmm, maybe I should start a new thread and find out.

Ok, seems like all people forgot that Arafat formed one of the biggest terrorist orginizations that worked against Israel (Fatah)...
even in the 50s, Arafat's terrorist squads were conducting terrorist attacks in Israel.

Even today, after that "Heroic noble peace price winner" signed the "peace treaty" he still called for jihad (holy muslim war against the infidels)
he stills calls for "A million of martyrs to march into the Israeli capital"
he still calls for blood and violence
the palestinian authority tv, under his approval.. airs dozens of commericals encouraging children to kill and die..
under his knoweldge, ambulances are used to carry bombs and explosives

Here are some videos for your enjoyment
- http://www.israel-wat.com/pps/arafat_jihad.wmv - Arafat calling for combat, jihad and intifida

- For our arabic native speakers (Couldnt find english translation for this one, only hebrew) - http://www.israel-wat.com/pps/arafat.asf - arafat calling for a million martyrs to march into Jerusalem

- http://www.idf.il/geut/videos/video4.mpg - PA television incitement - Preaching hatred and murder in the mosques.

- http://www.politicsnow.co.il/images/vid/palambu.wmv - a captured bomb inside a Palestinian Ambulance

- http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_AFD_short.asx - a 7 minutes long documantry on how the Palestinian authority educates children to death

- http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Arafat_7.asx - Arafat's approval for children to throw stones at the army

move videos regarding the Palestinian Authority(Not any terrorist orginization ) which is controlled directly by arafat, praises death, lies to the public about historical events, incites violence.. etc..
can be found here -
http://www.pmw.org.il/AFD.html

When the little garden gnome dies, the palestinians will just stick anothe hamas lackey into the leadership position, and will insist that killing jews is the way to get back the land the sold to the jewish settlers.

When the little garden gnome dies, the palestinians will just stick anothe hamas lackey into the leadership position, and will insist that killing jews is the way to get back the land the sold to the jewish settlers.

when the corpulent fatman running isreal dies, the knesset will just stick another...aww, forget it. It's just too effin' easy...

When the little garden gnome dies, the palestinians will just stick anothe hamas lackey into the leadership position, and will insist that killing jews is the way to get back the land the sold to the jewish settlers.

Little garden gnome! HAA!

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041028/041028_arafatnew_vmed_10a.vmedium.jpg
Tell me he doesn't resemble a garden gnome here.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041028/041028_arafatnew_vmed_10a.vmedium.jpg
Tell me he doesn't resemble a garden gnome here.

No, I know! It's funny as hell!

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041028/041028_arafatnew_vmed_10a.vmedium.jpg
Cant' you see him trying to shill cheep airline tickets?

tell me something, do you actually know where Israel is or whats happening there?
He IS the guilty party or maybe you have a logical explanation as to where the 3Bn aid a year go? And why Arafats bank account is so full?

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine50.html
http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/index6.htm
http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/massacres/jenin.asp [warning; graphic content]
http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/massacres/jenin.asp

Of course there are many others.

Israel uses the power of the state to do what Palestinains have to use suicide to do; then it condemns the Palestinians.

Israel should rot in hell. In torment.

I just saw that France will be allowing the Little Garden gnome to enter. Will they stoop to any level to appease terrorism?

ZaKommia - Awesome movies. I saw them. And I support them 100%.. All he's calling for is "struggle, struggle, jihad, jihad".. which is very appropriate in the case of Palestine.

I say good riddance…I hope the bastard dies soon and is dispatched to Allah with great speed!

Oh.. and ENCOURAGING children to throw stones at tanks??.. If I was him, I'd buy them anti-tank missiles and have them wandering the streets of Gaza shooting at Merkavas and even people.. Why, do you have a problem with that?

And don't give me the "think of the children!" argument.. Western age restrictions mean shit to me.. War is war.. Using adults to wage war is just as horrible as using children..

I say good riddance…I hope the bastard dies soon and is dispatched to Allah with great speed!
Allah will use him as a stick to scrape the bottom of his shoes.

I just saw that France will be allowing the Little Garden gnome to enter. Will they stoop to any level to appease terrorism?

"Well, greetings from France. The infidel doctors should have me back to ordering Hamas to blow up Isreali school buses in no time, God willing. In the mean while, I'll sip some expensive infidel wine (shhh ... don't tell Allah) and continue to curse the Great Satan and their Zionist pigdog lackies. Peace of Allah be unto you." - The Roaming Jihad Gnome

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine50.html
http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/index6.htm
http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/massacres/jenin.asp [warning; graphic content]
http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/massacres/jenin.asp
1) WTF does that have to do with what I said?
2) Al khilafah huh? Sounds completely objective.
3) Voices of Palestine, good. Again, objective. And also, you realise that the Jenin "massacres" killed about 400 less than the Palestinians claimed.

Yes, it's only bad when Palestinians blows up innocents.. who cares when Israel bombs refugee camps and kills innocent women and children.. that's self defense, I mean it's not like Israel is occupying Palestinian territory.. oh wait.. yes they are!

Israel is no more innocent in this conflict then Palestine. At least Arafat tried and had Yitzhak Rabin not been killed by his own people for trying to make peace with Palestine, Jews and Palestinians would probably be living in peace today. Lets not forget Sharon was quite the terrorist too in his earlier days. People can change. If you think Arafat has any control over Hamas you're delusional.

seeing as we've resorted to mudslinging, heres a program by CNN, the most anti-semitic news broadcasters there are. (I watched the program on CNN. It is seriously disturbing.)
http://www.cbc.ca/witness/impactofterror/
you see, after each attack, the Palestinians go whinging to the media about oppression and 100's killed, when in reality, three houses were destroyed, one man and his Alsation. So finally an group who shows people the true horror of the Palestinian attacks (recently they took the burned out buses from Be'er Sheba around Europe, starting at Den Haag) got together the victims families from one such attack and made a documentary. Anyone who found the Jenin "massacre:rolleyes:" pictures disturbing should feel the same about these.

Yes, it's only bad when Palestinians blows up innocents.. who cares when Israel bombs refugee camps and kills innocent women and children.. that's self defense, I mean it's not like Israel is occupying Palestinian territory.. oh wait.. yes they are!

Israel is no more innocent in this conflict then Palestine. At least Arafat tried and had Yitzhak Rabin not been killed by his own people for trying to make peace with Palestine, Jews and Palestinians would probably be living in peace today. Lets not forget Sharon was quite the terrorist too in his earlier days. People can change. If you think Arafat has any control over Hamas you're delusional.
Jewish settlers purchased the land from Palestinians prior to the establishment of Israel. It is no more occupied territory than is Quebec.

Yes, it's only bad when Palestinians blows up innocents.. who cares when Israel bombs refugee camps and kills innocent women and children.. that's self defense, I mean it's not like Israel is occupying Palestinian territory.. oh wait.. yes they are!

Israel is no more innocent in this conflict then Palestine. At least Arafat tried and had Yitzhak Rabin not been killed by his own people for trying to make peace with Palestine, Jews and Palestinians would probably be living in peace today. Lets not forget Sharon was quite the terrorist too in his earlier days. People can change. If you think Arafat has any control over Hamas you're delusional.
1) No Steph, thats called cowardice. Get the terrorists to stop hiding behind women and children and fight against soldiers.
2) We aren't occupying, we were given the land, UN... 1948... ring any bells Steph?
3) Sorry, uh where's Palestine? I assume you mean Yehuda, Shomron and Aza.
4) Arafat tried huh? To do what? See how quickly he could break the Oslo treaty?
5) You make it sound like Israelis assassinate PM's regularly. It was the act of a bunch of right-wing barbaric lunatics. Thats like saying that the American people shot JFK.
6) No, but there is the small matter of Al-Fatah. Heard of them? Terrorist group, funded enitrely by Arafat.

Yes, it's only bad when Palestinians blows up innocents.. who cares when Israel bombs refugee camps and kills innocent women and children.. that's self defense, I mean it's not like Israel is occupying Palestinian territory.. oh wait.. yes they are!

yes who cares, when they blow up refugee camps that train terrorists and are full of them... why should they kill Terrorists in Civilian clothing, simple to end the conflict? Those bastards... i hope G-d kills them for trying make as minimal death as possible, and bring peace back.... And i agree! Why should Israel occupy 10% of a fictional occupied land, when they can go for all 10% in Jordan.... :rolleyes:

Israel is no more innocent in this conflict then Palestine. At least Arafat tried and had Yitzhak Rabin not been killed by his own people for trying to make peace with Palestine, Jews and Palestinians would probably be living in peace today. Lets not forget Sharon was quite the terrorist too in his earlier days. People can change. If you think Arafat has any control over Hamas you're delusional.

Israel is as guilty as "Palestine"? ... you have got to be kidding?! The Palestinians throw their kids into the crossfire... they get killed, and then it's the Israeli's fault.... oh yeah, they're guilty all right.

and Israel would only be living in peace today, had they wiped out all the terrorists from the start, killed Arafat, and the Arabs didn't want to kill the Israeli's left and right.

I'll just agree to disagree with you all here. I don't believe any one who lives in Israel can be very objective nor do I think the majority of Americans are either when it comes to Israel. I could list how many times Israel has broken the Geneva Conventions against Palestine over the years, or how many times they have had resolutions passed against them (excluding even the ones America vetoes) yet I would hear that same old bullsh*t story about how every one is against them.. boo hoo.. yeah right! :rolleyes:

Believe as you wish..

Then please Start naming them. Give a link if necessary.

Most of the condemnations, occur when Israel tries to defend itself.

The Jews (or should I say those of the Abrahamic Covanent) are entitled to a land much larger than what they have now - it was the promise of the God of Abraham. The conflict is between half-brothers. The Arabs are decendene from Ishmael, son of Hagar and Abraham. Isaac was the son of promise and it is his decendents that are the true Hebrews (Jews).

The God of Abraham did promise a land to the decendenst of Ishmael also - and they do have most of the Middle East. Even down to Isaac and his sons Jacob and Esau - Esau is at war with those of Israel (Jacob after his name change).

Please don't flame me - I am not Jewish, I have just studied Jewish history (to a degree).

Then please Start naming them. Give a link if necessary.

Most of the condemnations, occur when Israel tries to defend itself.

UN Security Council Resolutions on Israel since 1948


Res 101 (Nov 24, 53): Expressed 'strongest censure' of Israel for the first time because of its raid on Qibya.

Res 106 (Mar 29, 55): Condemned Israel for Ghazzah raid.

Res 111 (Jan 19, 56): Condemned Israel for raid on Syria that killed 56 people.

Res 127 (Jan 22, 58 ) : Recommended Israel to suspend its no-man's zone in Jerusalem.

Res 162 (Apr 11, 61) : Urged Israel to comply with UN decisions.

Res 171 (Apr 9, 62): Determined 'flagrant violation' by Israel in its attack on Syria.

Res 228 (Nov 25, 66): Censured Israel for its attack on Samu in Jordan.

Res 237 (June 14, 67): Urged Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.

Res 248 (Mar 24, 68 ) : Condemned Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.

Res 250 (Apr 27, 68 ) : Called on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.

Res 251 (May 2, 68 ) : Deeply deplored Israel's military parade in Jerusalem and declared invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as its capital.

Res 256 (Aug 16, 68 ) : Condemned Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation'.

Res 259 (Sep 27, 68 ) : Deplored Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.

Res 262 (Dec 31, 68 ) : Condemned Israel's attack on Beirut airport destroying the entire fleet of Middle East Airlines.

Res 265 (Apr 1, 69): Condemned Israel for air attacks on Salt in Jordan.

Res 267 (July 3, 69): Censured Israel for administrative acts to change status of Jerusalem.

Res 270 (Aug. 26, 69): Condemned Israel for air attack on villages in southern Lebanon.

Res 271 (Sep 15, 69): Condemned Israel's failure to comply with UN resolutions on Jerusalem.

Res 279 (May 12, 70): Demanded withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.

Res 280 (May 19, 70): Condemned Israeli attacks against Lebanon.

Res 285 (Sep 5, 70): Demanded immediate Israeli troop withdrawal from Lebanon.

Res 298 (Sep 25, 71): Deplored Israel's change of status of Jerusalem.

Res 313 (Aug 8, 72): Demanded Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.

Res 316 (June 26, 72): Condemned Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.

Res 317 (July 21, 72): Deplored Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted from Lebanon.

Res 332 (Apr 21, 73): Condemned Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.

Res 337 (Aug 15, 73): Condemned Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.

Res 347 (Apr 24, 74): Condemned Israeli attacks on Lebanon.

Res 425 (Mar 19, 78 ) : Called on Israel to withdraw its forces unconditionally from Lebanon.

Res 427 (May 3, 78 ) : Called on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.

Res 444 (Jan 19, 79): Deplored Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peace forces.

Res 446 (Mar 22, 79): Determined Israeli settlements as a 'serious obstruction' to peace, and called on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions.

Res 450 (June 14, 79): Called on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.

Res 452 (July 20, 79): Called on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.

Res 465 (Mar 1, 80): Deplored Israel's settlements and asked all member States not to assist Israel's settlement programme.

Res 467 (Apr 24, 80): Condemned Israel's military intervention in Lebanon.

Res 468 (May 8, 80): Called on Israel to rescind illegal expulsion of two Palestinian Mayors and a Judge, and to facilitate their return.

Res 469 (May 20, 80): Strongly deplored Israel's failure to observe the Council's order not to deport Palestinians.

Res 471 (June 5, 80): Expressed deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Res 476 (June 30, 80): Reiterated that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'.

Res 478 (Aug 20, 80): 'Censured in the strongest terms' Israel for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'basic law'.

Res 484 (Dec 19, 80): Declared it imperative Israel re-admit two Palestinian mayors.

Res 487 (June 19, 81): Strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility.

Res 497 (Dec 17, 81): Decided Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demanded that Israel rescind its decision forthwith.

Res 498 (Dec 18, 81): Called on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.

Res 501 (Feb 25, 82): Called on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.

Res 508 (June 6, 82): Demanded Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and un-conditionally from Lebanon.

Res 515 (July 29, 82): Demanded Israel lift its seige of Beirut and allow in food.

Res 517 (Aug 4, 82): Censured Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demanded Isreal withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

Res 518 (Aug 12, 82): Demanded Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.

Res 520 (Sep 17, 82): Condemned Israel's attack into West Beirut.

Res 573 (Oct 4, 85): Condemned Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO Headquarters.

Res 587 (Sep 23, 86): Took note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urged all parties to withdraw.

Res 592 (Dec 8, 86): Strongly deplored the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.

Res 605 (Dec 22, 87): Strongly deplored Israel's policies and practices denying human rights of Palestinians.

Res 607 (Jan 5, 88 ) : Called on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requested it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Res 608 (Jan 14, 88 ) : Deeply regreted that Israel had defied the UN and deported Palestinian civilians.

Res 636 (July 6, 89): Deeply regreted the Israeli deportation of Palestinians.

Res 641 (Aug 30, 89): Deplored Israel's continuous deportation of Palestinians.

Res 672 (Oct 12, 90): Condemned Israel for violence against Palestinians at Jerusalem's Haram Al-Sharif.

Res 673 (Oct 24, 90): Deplored Israel's refusal to cooperate with the UN.

Res 681 (Dec 20, 90): Deplored Israel's resumption of deportation of Palestinians.

Res 694 (May 24, 91): Deplored Israel's deportation of Palestinians and called on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.

Res 726 (Jan 1, 92): 'Strongly condemned' Israel's decision to resume deportation of Palestinians from 'Palestinian territories... including Jerusalem.'

Res 799 (Dec 19, 92): Deplored Israel's mass deportation of some 400 Palestinians and called for thir immediate return.




Vetoes cast by the United States to defend Israeli crimes:



Sep 10, 72: Condemned Israel's attacks on Southern Lebanon and Syria. Vote: 13 to 1 in favor with 1 abstention.

July 26, 73: Affirmed the rights of Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections. Vote: 13 to 1 in favor with China absent.

Dec 8, 75: Condemned Israel's air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians. Vote: 13 to 1, with 1 abstention.

Jan 26, 76: Called for self-determination of Palestinian people. Vote: 9 to 1 with 3 abstentions.

Mar 25, 76: Deplored Israel's altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognised as an International city by most world nations and the United Nations. Vote 14 to 1.

June 29, 76: Affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people. Vote: 10 to 1 in favour with 4 abstentions.

Apr 30, 80: Endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people. Vote: 10 to 1 in favour with 4 abstentions.

Jan 20, 82: Demanded Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights. Vote: 9 to 1 in favour with 4 abstentions.

Apr 2, 82: Condemned Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Ghazzah Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva Convention protocols of civilised nations. Vote: 14 to 1.

Apr 20, 82: Condemned an Israeli soldier who shot 11 Muslim worshippers in the Haram Al-Sharif near Al Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem. Vote: 14 to 1.

June 8, 82: Urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1.

June 26, 82: Urged sanctions against Israel if it did not end its invasion of Beirut, Lebanon and withdraw. Vote: 14 to 1.

Aug 8, 82: Urged cut-off of economic aid to Israel if it refuses to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon. Vote: 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions.

Aug 2, 83: Condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Ghazzah Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace. Vote 13 to 1 with 1 abstention.

Sep 6, 84: Deplored Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urged its withdrawal. Vote 14 to 1.

Mar 12, 85: Condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli 'Iron Fist' policy of repression. Vote: 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions. Sep 13, 85: Denounced Israel's violation of human rights in the occupied territories. Vote: 10 to 1 with 4 abstentions.

Jan 17, 86: Strongly deplored Israel's violence in southern Lebanon. Vote 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions.

Jan 30, 86: Deplored Israel's activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem which threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites. Vote 13 to 1 with 1 abstention.

Feb 6, 86: Condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan passenger plane on 4 February. Vote: 10 to 1 with 1 abstention.

Jan 18, 88: Strongly deplored Israeli attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon. Vote: 13 to 1 with 1 abstention.

Feb 1, 88: Called for Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian uprising that violate the rights of the Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and formalise a leading role for the UN in future peace negotiations. Vote: 14 to 1.

Apr 15, 88: Urged Israel to reaccept deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices. Vote: 14 to 1.

May 10, 88: Condemned Israel's May 2 incursion into Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1.

Dec 14, 88: Strongly deplored Israel's commando raids on Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1.

Feb 17, 89: Strongly deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian uprising and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians. Vote 14 to 1.

June 9, 89: Strongly deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians. Vote: 14 to 1.

Aug 11, 89: Demanded Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian uprising. Vote: 14 to 1.

Mar 5, 90: Called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli occupied lands. Vote: 14 to 1.

(Sources: Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, Washington, DC)

And no doubt all were vetoed by the US?
The Oslo Accord, Arafat kept to it, just long enough to get a peace prize. Seriously, i'm now rooting for Bin Laden for next years prize.

And no doubt all were vetoed by the US?

Since about 1972 or so the United States has protected Israel from being held to account for it's war crimes and human rights abuses.. basically yes. A few have gotten through though.

Read the list, it shows which ones the United States vetoed

UN Security Council Resolutions on Israel since 1948


Res 101 (Nov 24, 53): Expressed 'strongest censure' of Israel for the first time because of its raid on Qibya.

Res 106 (Mar 29, 55): Condemned Israel for Ghazzah raid.

Res 111 (Jan 19, 56): Condemned Israel for raid on Syria that killed 56 people.

Res 127 (Jan 22, 58 ) : Recommended Israel to suspend its no-man's zone in Jerusalem.

Res 162 (Apr 11, 61) : Urged Israel to comply with UN decisions.

Res 171 (Apr 9, 62): Determined 'flagrant violation' by Israel in its attack on Syria.

Res 228 (Nov 25, 66): Censured Israel for its attack on Samu in Jordan.

Res 237 (June 14, 67): Urged Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.

Res 248 (Mar 24, 68 ) : Condemned Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.

Res 250 (Apr 27, 68 ) : Called on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.

Res 251 (May 2, 68 ) : Deeply deplored Israel's military parade in Jerusalem and declared invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as its capital.

Res 256 (Aug 16, 68 ) : Condemned Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation'.

Res 259 (Sep 27, 68 ) : Deplored Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.

Res 262 (Dec 31, 68 ) : Condemned Israel's attack on Beirut airport destroying the entire fleet of Middle East Airlines.

Res 265 (Apr 1, 69): Condemned Israel for air attacks on Salt in Jordan.

Res 267 (July 3, 69): Censured Israel for administrative acts to change status of Jerusalem.

Res 270 (Aug. 26, 69): Condemned Israel for air attack on villages in southern Lebanon.

Res 271 (Sep 15, 69): Condemned Israel's failure to comply with UN resolutions on Jerusalem.

Res 279 (May 12, 70): Demanded withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.

Res 280 (May 19, 70): Condemned Israeli attacks against Lebanon.

Res 285 (Sep 5, 70): Demanded immediate Israeli troop withdrawal from Lebanon.

Res 298 (Sep 25, 71): Deplored Israel's change of status of Jerusalem.

Res 313 (Aug 8, 72): Demanded Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.

Res 316 (June 26, 72): Condemned Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.

Res 317 (July 21, 72): Deplored Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted from Lebanon.

Res 332 (Apr 21, 73): Condemned Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.

Res 337 (Aug 15, 73): Condemned Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.

Res 347 (Apr 24, 74): Condemned Israeli attacks on Lebanon.

Res 425 (Mar 19, 78 ) : Called on Israel to withdraw its forces unconditionally from Lebanon.

Res 427 (May 3, 78 ) : Called on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.

Res 444 (Jan 19, 79): Deplored Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peace forces.

Res 446 (Mar 22, 79): Determined Israeli settlements as a 'serious obstruction' to peace, and called on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions.

Res 450 (June 14, 79): Called on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.

Res 452 (July 20, 79): Called on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.

Res 465 (Mar 1, 80): Deplored Israel's settlements and asked all member States not to assist Israel's settlement programme.

Res 467 (Apr 24, 80): Condemned Israel's military intervention in Lebanon.

Res 468 (May 8, 80): Called on Israel to rescind illegal expulsion of two Palestinian Mayors and a Judge, and to facilitate their return.

Res 469 (May 20, 80): Strongly deplored Israel's failure to observe the Council's order not to deport Palestinians.

Res 471 (June 5, 80): Expressed deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Res 476 (June 30, 80): Reiterated that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'.

Res 478 (Aug 20, 80): 'Censured in the strongest terms' Israel for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'basic law'.

Res 484 (Dec 19, 80): Declared it imperative Israel re-admit two Palestinian mayors.

Res 487 (June 19, 81): Strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility.

Res 497 (Dec 17, 81): Decided Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demanded that Israel rescind its decision forthwith.

Res 498 (Dec 18, 81): Called on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.

Res 501 (Feb 25, 82): Called on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.

Res 508 (June 6, 82): Demanded Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and un-conditionally from Lebanon.

Res 515 (July 29, 82): Demanded Israel lift its seige of Beirut and allow in food.

Res 517 (Aug 4, 82): Censured Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demanded Isreal withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

Res 518 (Aug 12, 82): Demanded Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.

Res 520 (Sep 17, 82): Condemned Israel's attack into West Beirut.

Res 573 (Oct 4, 85): Condemned Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO Headquarters.

Res 587 (Sep 23, 86): Took note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urged all parties to withdraw.

Res 592 (Dec 8, 86): Strongly deplored the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.

Res 605 (Dec 22, 87): Strongly deplored Israel's policies and practices denying human rights of Palestinians.

Res 607 (Jan 5, 88 ) : Called on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requested it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Res 608 (Jan 14, 88 ) : Deeply regreted that Israel had defied the UN and deported Palestinian civilians.

Res 636 (July 6, 89): Deeply regreted the Israeli deportation of Palestinians.

Res 641 (Aug 30, 89): Deplored Israel's continuous deportation of Palestinians.

Res 672 (Oct 12, 90): Condemned Israel for violence against Palestinians at Jerusalem's Haram Al-Sharif.

Res 673 (Oct 24, 90): Deplored Israel's refusal to cooperate with the UN.

Res 681 (Dec 20, 90): Deplored Israel's resumption of deportation of Palestinians.

Res 694 (May 24, 91): Deplored Israel's deportation of Palestinians and called on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.

Res 726 (Jan 1, 92): 'Strongly condemned' Israel's decision to resume deportation of Palestinians from 'Palestinian territories... including Jerusalem.'

Res 799 (Dec 19, 92): Deplored Israel's mass deportation of some 400 Palestinians and called for thir immediate return.
how many of these say "condemned"? Brilliant, we're condemned, now what? You haven't said that you want to do anything to change it.

"Res 641 (Aug 30, 89): Deplored Israel's continuous deportation of Palestinians."
Wow, i'm missing a serious bit of Israeli history here. When did we deport Palestinians?

"Res 573 (Oct 4, 85): Condemned Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO Headquarters."
Yes, damn us for killing terrorists, how could we? Thats like a UN resolution, "condemned US for removing Saddam from his hole"

"Res 487 (June 19, 81): Strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility."
:headbang:
Here's the funny thing. America kills thousands of Iraqi civilians over WMD that don't exist, Israel kill minimum civilians and destroy the WMD reactors, when they do exist.

"Res 476 (June 30, 80): Reiterated that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'."
This coming from the organization that granted us Jerusalem as our capital!

"Res 270 (Aug. 26, 69): Condemned Israel for air attack on villages in southern Lebanon."
But Syrian rocket attacks on Israeli settlements are fine.

Here's the funny thing. America kills thousands of Iraqi civilians over WMD that don't exist, Israel kill minimum civilians and destroy the WMD reactors, when they do exist.

Oh trust me, I'm not making excuses for American or Israeli war crimes.

Oh trust me, I'm not making excuses for American or Israeli war crimes.
How is destroying the Nuclear reactor of one of the worlds most dangerous men a war crime? If an American pilot had managed it he would have been made a hero, a Brit, knighted, an Israeli? A war criminal.

Wow, an entire list of resolutions against Israel by the Anti-Semite U.N. What a surprise. Most of them condemnations for Israel having the temerity to defend itself.

Anyway, i'm off to sleep, got to wake up early tomorrow and all.
night all. Just one thing Steph, I started this thread in moderation and wanted to make sure that its in the right place and is ok?
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7350323#post7350323

How is destroying the Nuclear reactor of one of the worlds most dangerous men a war crime? If an American pilot had managed it he would have been made a hero, a Brit, knighted, an Israeli? A war criminal.

Well then, maybe some one should come along and destroy your nuclear reactor, Israel isn't the most stable country in the world either. It's not your right. You have nukes! The United States and Israel who both have nukes have no business telling another nation what they can or can't do. It's against international law, not that international law means any thing to the Americans or the Israeli's for that matter. Whatever, I'm done. Believe as you wish. I agree to disagree with you.

Well then, maybe some one should come along and destroy your nuclear reactor, Israel isn't the most stable country in the world either. It's not your right. You have nukes! The United States and Israel who both have nukes have no business telling another nation what they can or can't do. It's against international law, not that international law means any thing to the Americans or the Israeli's for that matter. Whatever, I'm done. Believe as you wish. I agree to disagree with you.
Speaking of international law, where is this international law at? Who enforces it? Who are you to judge what is or is not against international law? i hate to use this argument, it is so redneck, but the United States is the only reason there is international law and order. A rogue nation attempts to get nuclear weapons, and all you can do is be angry at Israel for protecting the entire middle east.

Israel is a soviergn nation. When anybody attacks a nation, that nation has the right to defend itself to the fullest

Speaking of international law, where is this international law at?

Do you just talk or do you ever actually read any thing? You see if you're a signatory member to international treaties and agreements you're bound by them unless you pull out of them. Since the USA is most certainly a signatory member of said international laws you have been in breach of them since you attacked Iraq without provocation. If you wish to actually read international law that the USA is a signatory member to.. be my guest.

International Law (http://www.un.org/law/)

Israel is a soviergn nation. When anybody attacks a nation, that nation has the right to defend itself to the fullest

Iraq was a sovereign nation too, that did nothing to the USA to be attacked.. that didn't stop Mr. Bush!

Do you just talk or do you ever actually read any thing? You see if you're a signatory member to international treaties and agreements you're bound by them unless you pull out of them. Since the USA is most certainly a signatory member of said international laws you have been in breach of them since you attacked Iraq without provocation. If you wish to actually read international law that the USA is a signatory member to.. be my guest.

International Law (http://www.un.org/law/)
So you cite the UN? The same UN whose vaunted (by you) international law did nothing to protect ethnic minorities in Iraq for 40 years? The same UN who has criticized Israel for years for protecting itself from terrorists? Game a break.

Iraq was a sovereign nation too, that did nothing to the USA to be attacked.. that didn't stop Mr. Bush!
Iraq provided aide and comfort to terrorist, slaughtered it own citizens, invaded Kuwait and Iran and slaughtered their civilians.

So you cite the UN? The same UN whose vaunted (by you) international law did nothing to protect ethnic minorities in Iraq for 40 years? The same UN who has criticized Israel for years for protecting itself from terrorists? Game a break.

Your opinion is quite irrelevant, until your government pulls out of the UN and is no longer a signatory member, you're legally bound by the laws and the charter and treaties you have signed. Which makes you still in breach to this day! The UN has already deemed your invasion of Iraq illegal. So have many other countries, mine included! Because it WAS illegal according to the charter which your government is a signatory member. Facts speak louder then opinions.

Your opinion is quite irrelevant, until your government pulls out of the UN and is no longer a signatory member, you're legally bound by the laws and the charter and treaties you have signed. Which makes you still in breach to this day! The UN has already deemed your invasion of Iraq illegal. So have many other countries, mine included! Because it WAS illegal according to the charter which your government is a signatory member. Facts speak louder then opinions.
The UN has deemed it illegal? Source? Seems to me that the entire Security Council voted for the resolution promising a war if Saddam did not comply.

Iraq provided aide and comfort to terrorist, slaughtered it own citizens, invaded Kuwait and Iran and slaughtered their civilians.

Hmm yes.. and you turned a blind eye to it, you bigots, until March 2003.. or a few months before March 2003 while you were building your PATHETIC excuse for a case against a sovereign nation.

With your blessings. Using your weapons. After you gave them the green light to go ahead.

With your weapons. And your chemical agents. And your blessings. Weren't you using the "better to support the lesser of two evils" and "we'll support our CIA agent" tactics to aid Saddam? You wanted that war. You directed him to wage that war. You ordered him to stop the Iranian menace.

Cuh. Sovereignity. Shoo.. Go play with the idiots you usually deal with. Don't try to fool us with that load of bull.

And I won't even bother to answer the comments regarding Israel.

Iraq provided aide and comfort to terrorist, slaughtered it own citizens, invaded Kuwait and Iran and slaughtered their civilians.

There have been no connections made between Al Qaeda and Saddam. No operational ties what so ever. The senate came to that conclusion as did the 9/11 commission. It wasn't true, or haven't you been paying attention. The only people Saddam gave comfort to were those from Palestine in a regional conflict with Israel. No different then what the United States does with Israel. If you want to go and tell those 1000+ American families of dead servicemen and women that they died for Israel go ahead. But make no mistake it had nothing to do with the security of the United States.

As for Kuwait, that matter was settled well over 10 years ago.. straw man argument.

Hmm yes.. and you turned a blind eye to it, you bigots, until March 2003.. or a few months before March 2003 while you were building your PATHETIC excuse for a case against a sovereign nation.

With your blessings. Using your weapons. After you gave them the green light to go ahead.

With your weapons. And your chemical agents. And your blessings. Weren't you using the "better to support the lesser of two evils" and "we'll support our CIA agent" tactics to aid Saddam? You wanted that war. You directed him to wage that war. You ordered him to stop the Iranian menace.

Cuh. Sovereignity. Shoo.. Go play with the idiots you usually deal with. Don't try to fool us with that load of bull.

And I won't even bother to answer the comments regarding Israel. :) Hey, I got tinfoil hats for sale. Cheap!

The UN has deemed it illegal? Source? Seems to me that the entire Security Council voted for the resolution promising a war if Saddam did not comply.

Iraq War Illegal (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm)

Also if you need a copy of res. 1441 to read since by your statement you obviously haven't, let me know.

There have been no connections made between Al Qaeda and Saddam. No operational ties what so ever. The senate came to that conclusion as did the 9/11 commission. It wasn't true, or haven't you been paying attention. The only people Saddam gave comfort to were those from Palestine in a regional conflict with Israel. No different then what the United States does with Israel.
Says you. You only sources are open sources, available to all. You should base your arguments on what you know, I'll base my arguments on what I know and choose to share.

If you want to go and tell those 1000+ American families of dead servicemen and women that they died for Israel go ahead. But make no mistake it had nothing to do with the security of the United States.
:rolleyes: That is nice trick, cheap, but nice. Those are my friends and neighbors, you nothing about them, sitting in your pearly white tower of canada. To paraphrase Lloyd Benston "I know those troops and their families, those troops andd their families are my friends' and you Ma'am, no nothing of what you speak regarding those troops and their families. Is this how the moderators debate on this site? With low blows not even worthy of a lady?

Iraq War Illegal (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm)

Also if you need a copy of res. 1441 to read since by your statement you obviously haven't, let me know.
Koffi Annan, who is knee deep in the Oil-for-food scandal, declares it illegal. Wait, wait, I need to get off the floor. Tell you what, when the security counsel declares it illegal, then I'll care. But when this Saddam puppet boy speaks, anyone with a modicum of intellect tunes him out.

Ignorance is true bliss they say Areyoukiddingme, hows that working for you?

Any way, dinner time, I'm out of here. ;)

Ignorance is true bliss they say Areyoukiddingme, hows that working for you?

Any way, dinner time, I'm out of here. ;)
Slavish devotion to a leftist idealogy is true bliss, too. You seem to be doing okay. I wish you Good night, Ma'am.

:) Hey, I got tinfoil hats for sale. Cheap!


Nah.. Keep them for yourself.. You seem to need them more than I do.. hell, more than any homo-sapien does :)

Not everyone is a terrorist you know.

Not everyone is a terrorist you know.

*shock* *gasp*

Stop questioning America and Israel! You terrorist! Anti-semite! Radical! Leftist! Commie-Pink Scum! Nazi! [/sarcasm]

:p :D ;)

1) The Iraq war was illegal.
2) Arafat was in no way involved in the Iraq war, so the points regarding Iraq are irrelevant.
3) Steph, isn't calling someone ignorant flaming?
4) I have nothing further to say except that I hope that the murdering bastard dies ASAP.

'Bout time.

I'm surprised that nobody here has once commented at how impressive it is for Arafat to have survived as long as he has as a diplomat. Between Hamas and the other terrorist organizations who would gun him down in a heartbeat for negotiating with Israel, and Israel who has a habit of gunning down anybody they consider a 'militant', even if it's an eighty year old blind-deaf cripple at church, I'm amazed he has lived as long as he has.

I am not going to pretend that Arafat was not a murdering bastard in his earlier years. Just as I'm not going to pretend that Ariel Sharon is not ducking a 'War Crimes' investigation for his actions in the seventies.

I'm also not going to go so far as calling Arafat a great leader or an effective one.

Or am I? Am I the only one who is amazed at how deftly he walked such a fine line between trying to keep negotiating with Israel and not knuckling under to them?

People rail against him for not doing more. Arafat doesn't have tanks and helicopters to blow up suspected terrorists without fair trials with. Arafat doesn't want to get killed for being an Israeli sympathizer either. People fail to realize how difficult it is to stay on the razor's edge of politics that Arafat occupies.

What would people have him do? Bow down to Israel's demands unconditionally and get killed, or defy Israel openly and get killed?

I think that if nothing else, the man is a brilliant negotiator. I'm surprised he hasn't had health problems earlier. He must have a stomach ulcer the size of my fist.

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine50.html
http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/index6.htm
http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/massacres/jenin.asp [warning; graphic content]
http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/massacres/jenin.asp

Of course there are many others.

Israel uses the power of the state to do what Palestinains have to use suicide to do; then it condemns the Palestinians.

Israel should rot in hell. In torment.

As it was said before- objectivity isn't the strongest side of your sources.
As it was said before- Israel and it's media have minimal respect for the victims and their families and does not use wrecked bodies and slaughtering in their propaganda efforts. maybe it's a mistake but that's their choice.
Yet don't be fooled- you can find sights like those in the pictures in every suicide bombing site in Israel. in fact the Israeli goverment uploaded a short movie which shows just how horrifying is the bombing scene.
The movie was removed due to the request of the families.

The terrorist hide among their own families and people, which forces Israel to either let them live on another day, hitting Israel again and again, or to hit them with the minimum (And I must admit that it's not always minimum) force required; then they condemn Israel.



I mean it's not like Israel is occupying Palestinian territory.. oh wait.. yes they are!

Israel is no more innocent in this conflict then Palestine. At least Arafat tried and had Yitzhak Rabin not been killed by his own people for trying to make peace with Palestine, Jews and Palestinians would probably be living in peace today. Lets not forget Sharon was quite the terrorist too in his earlier days. People can change. If you think Arafat has any control over Hamas you're delusional.

Let's not get into the debate whether Israel is a legitimate state or not- it's here to stay until forced to go.

Israel might not be more innocent then the Palestinians in this conflict, but I'd say we're past the days when anyone claimed total innocent.

Arafat tried?
It was said before that Arafat couldn't do more then he did. I won't say it's right or wrong, since I honestly can't determine. there are only facts- Arafact broke the treatments that were signed.
so did Israel, but not before he broke them himself.